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[tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?

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  [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-22 14:30 +0000
    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-22 16:20 +0000
    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-22 10:16 -0700
      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 10:45 -0700
        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-23 10:33 -0700
          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 20:48 -0400
            Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-23 21:08 -0700
              Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 08:53 -0400
                Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-24 09:48 -0700
                  Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 13:11 -0400
              Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 10:45 -0500
                Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 12:14 -0400
                  Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-25 16:49 +0000
                    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 13:31 -0400
                      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-26 04:28 +0300
                        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 22:37 -0400
                          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-26 05:56 +0300
                          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-25 21:40 -0600
                            Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 04:11 +0000
                          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 03:29 +0000
                            Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 04:03 +0000
                          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-25 21:34 -0700
                    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-25 13:15 -0600
                      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Anthony Frost <Vulch@vulch.org> - 2018-03-26 10:45 +0000
                        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 06:05 -0700
                          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 09:17 -0700
                  Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-03-26 01:16 +0100
                    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 22:38 -0400
                      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 19:35 -0500
                        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 22:52 -0400
                          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-26 19:58 -0700
                            Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 23:20 -0400
                            Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 06:08 -0700
      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-22 21:41 +0000
        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-23 10:31 -0700
          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 18:28 +0000
            Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2018-03-25 17:46 +0000
          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-24 10:09 -0700
            Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-24 17:34 +0000
    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-22 11:24 -0600
      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-22 17:47 +0000
        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 11:07 -0700
        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2018-03-22 17:57 -0600
    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-22 12:42 -0700
      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-22 14:10 -0700
        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-22 17:38 -0700
    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 16:57 -0500
      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-23 13:36 +0000
        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-23 06:57 -0700
          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dan ONeill <garudaco@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 07:50 -0700
        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 14:23 +0000
          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-23 14:57 +0000
            Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 18:30 +0000
            Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-25 14:57 -0700
              Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-25 22:46 +0000
                Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-25 16:12 -0700
                  Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 01:22 +0000
                    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-25 20:47 -0700
                      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 04:00 +0000
                        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 04:21 +0000
                        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 04:23 -0400
                          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 14:18 +0000
                            Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 07:49 -0700
                              Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 11:23 -0400
                                Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 15:34 +0000
                                  Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 10:05 -0600
                                  Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:33 -0400
                                    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 16:24 -0600
                                      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 15:40 -0700
                                    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 22:55 -0400
                          Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 09:39 -0700
                            Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-26 14:16 -0700
                              Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 17:24 -0400
                                Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 14:44 -0700
                              Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 14:31 -0700
                                Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-26 14:36 -0700
                                  Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 22:00 +0000
                                Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-26 15:26 -0700
                                  Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-26 15:37 -0700
                                    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-29 11:33 -0700
                                      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 05:35 -0500
                        Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2018-03-26 11:26 -0600
    Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 11:39 -0500
      Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-23 16:55 +0000

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#488864

Fromted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
Date2018-03-22 17:47 +0000
Message-ID<fhi8hoFmvi3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#488862
In article <p90osr$1tsm$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
David Johnston  <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2018-03-22 8:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
>> 
>> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/
>> 
>
>I got to point out that There And Back Again has a bit of legal problem 
>that probably explains why it isn't in print and won't be as long as The 
>Lord of The Rings isn't in the public domain.

And saying these books can't be bought is not to say they are not available.
I'm sure there are samizdat epubs for most of them.  Not that I would
advocate that of course.
-- 
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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#488865

FromPeter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-22 11:07 -0700
Message-ID<23d23edb-3cc9-4f0f-8799-f278a0d1aa8f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#488864
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 1:47:40 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <p90osr$1tsm$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
> David Johnston  <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 2018-03-22 8:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
> >> 
> >> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/
> >> 
> >
> >I got to point out that There And Back Again has a bit of legal problem 
> >that probably explains why it isn't in print and won't be as long as The 
> >Lord of The Rings isn't in the public domain.
> 
> And saying these books can't be bought is not to say they are not available.
> I'm sure there are samizdat epubs for most of them.  Not that I would
> advocate that of course.

...and most are available used. I bought 'There and back again' for 10 bucks
online a few months ago.

pt

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#488889

FromSteve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org>
Date2018-03-22 17:57 -0600
Message-ID<m2efkb64us.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>
In reply to#488864
begin  fnord
ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

> And saying these books can't be bought is not to say they are not available.
> I'm sure there are samizdat epubs for most of them.  Not that I would
> advocate that of course.

Nine times out of ten used copies can be had cheaply and perfectly legally.

-- 
Steve Coltrin    spcoltri@omcl.org   Google Groups killfiled here 
  "A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel 
  to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed." 
  - Associated Press 

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#488869

FromAhasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com>
Date2018-03-22 12:42 -0700
Message-ID<7e39a582-569a-4ebb-8309-b73919b15209@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#488855
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:30:25 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
> 
> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/

[snip-snip]
> I tend to expect that many others will love the same books that I
> do. I have been proved wrong again and again. [snip]

That answers the question, doesn't it? Most people just don't
appreciate finer things in life like Vegemite and Clark Ashton Smith.
If they choose, heaven help them, peanut butter and H. P. Lovecraft
instead ... well, I say let them get what they so richly deserve!

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#488879

FromDimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
Date2018-03-22 14:10 -0700
Message-ID<p9164k$i84$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#488869
On 3/22/2018 12:42 PM, Ahasuerus wrote:
> On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:30:25 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
>>
>> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/
> 
> [snip-snip]
>> I tend to expect that many others will love the same books that I
>> do. I have been proved wrong again and again. [snip]
> 
> That answers the question, doesn't it? Most people just don't
> appreciate finer things in life like Vegemite and Clark Ashton Smith.
> If they choose, heaven help them, peanut butter and H. P. Lovecraft
> instead ... well, I say let them get what they so richly deserve!
> 
Full stomachs with which to face the end of the world?

-- 
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation 
instinct are running screaming.

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#488890

FromAhasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com>
Date2018-03-22 17:38 -0700
Message-ID<20f7b948-f89b-4853-8ae0-191ff068ea92@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#488879
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 5:10:47 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 3/22/2018 12:42 PM, Ahasuerus wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:30:25 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
> >>
> >> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/
> > 
> > [snip-snip]
> >> I tend to expect that many others will love the same books that I
> >> do. I have been proved wrong again and again. [snip]
> > 
> > That answers the question, doesn't it? Most people just don't
> > appreciate finer things in life like Vegemite and Clark Ashton Smith.
> > If they choose, heaven help them, peanut butter and H. P. Lovecraft
> > instead ... well, I say let them get what they so richly deserve!
> > 
> Full stomachs with which to face the end of the world?

If they are lucky, they will go mad first!

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#488884

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-22 16:57 -0500
Message-ID<p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#488855
On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
> 
> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/

The market for things is horribly unfair and biased.  And money plays in 
there somewhere.

Lynn

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#488908

Fromjdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
Date2018-03-23 13:36 +0000
Message-ID<p92vsa$2qm$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#488884
In article <p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
>> 
>> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/
>
>The market for things is horribly unfair and biased.  And money plays in 
>there somewhere.

At least some of the time, non-market factors come into it. See John 
M. Ford. Or they do but it's Stupid Publisher Tricks, for which the author
pays.



-- 
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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#488910

FromAhasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com>
Date2018-03-23 06:57 -0700
Message-ID<721d07ec-8b3f-4089-a9b6-16723988bf44@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#488908
On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 9:36:13 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
> >> 
> >> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/
> >
> >The market for things is horribly unfair and biased.  And money plays in 
> >there somewhere.
> 
> At least some of the time, non-market factors come into it. See John 
> M. Ford. Or they do but it's Stupid Publisher Tricks, for which the
> author pays.

Estate management and publishing peculiarities can be downright,
well, peculiar. For example, consider the case of R. A. Lafferty's
estate, which reportedly includes over a dozen unpublished novels:

http://floggingbabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/r-lafferty-saved-from-drowning.html
http://locusmag.com/2016/03/paul-di-filippo-reviews-r-a-lafferty/

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#488922

FromDan ONeill <garudaco@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-23 07:50 -0700
Message-ID<356bc79b-4782-4072-8e42-3e28955e45bd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#488910
On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 7:57:37 AM UTC-6, Ahasuerus wrote:

> Estate management and publishing peculiarities can be downright,
> well, peculiar. For example, consider the case of R. A. Lafferty's
> estate, which reportedly includes over a dozen unpublished novels:
> 
> http://floggingbabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/r-lafferty-saved-from-drowning.html
> http://locusmag.com/2016/03/paul-di-filippo-reviews-r-a-lafferty/

Centipede Press, http://www.centipedepress.com/

is in the process of publishing a Lafferty series, currently on volume 4.  I have no idea what their relationship is with his estate, or whether they plan this to be an integral edition.

It looks like the earlier volumes are already sold out.

d.o.

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#488919

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-03-23 14:23 +0000
Message-ID<p61ryJ.1v3A@kithrup.com>
In reply to#488908
In article <p92vsa$2qm$1@reader2.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me>,
>Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
>>> 
>>> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/
>>
>>The market for things is horribly unfair and biased.  And money plays in 
>>there somewhere.
>
>At least some of the time, non-market factors come into it. See John 
>M. Ford.

And H. Beam Piper, back in the day.

>Or they do but it's Stupid Publisher Tricks, for which the author
>pays.

Examples?

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#488924

Fromjdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
Date2018-03-23 14:57 +0000
Message-ID<p934kc$j6a$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#488919
In article <p61ryJ.1v3A@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <p92vsa$2qm$1@reader2.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>>In article <p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me>,
>>Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/
>>>
>>>The market for things is horribly unfair and biased.  And money plays in 
>>>there somewhere.
>>
>>At least some of the time, non-market factors come into it. See John 
>>M. Ford.
>
>And H. Beam Piper, back in the day.
>
>>Or they do but it's Stupid Publisher Tricks, for which the author
>>pays.
>
>Examples?

IIRC what killed Tanith Lee in North America was her publisher deciding
to market one of her books as horror just as the horror market was imploding
again, then concluding the issue was with her and not how the book was sold.

I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful.

As I recall, the first print run of Charles R. Saunder's Imaro got 
pulped because DAW used a blurb that attracted the ire of the extremely
litigious Burroughs estate.


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#488937

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-03-23 18:30 +0000
Message-ID<p623E3.CoM@kithrup.com>
In reply to#488924
In article <p934kc$j6a$1@reader2.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <p61ryJ.1v3A@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <p92vsa$2qm$1@reader2.panix.com>,
>>James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>>>In article <p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/
>>>>
>>>>The market for things is horribly unfair and biased.  And money plays in 
>>>>there somewhere.
>>>
>>>At least some of the time, non-market factors come into it. See John 
>>>M. Ford.
>>
>>And H. Beam Piper, back in the day.
>>
>>>Or they do but it's Stupid Publisher Tricks, for which the author
>>>pays.
>>
>>Examples?
>
>IIRC what killed Tanith Lee in North America was her publisher deciding
>to market one of her books as horror just as the horror market was imploding
>again, then concluding the issue was with her and not how the book was sold.
>
>I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful.

Sir, you have just won the Meiosis Award of the Decade.
>
>As I recall, the first print run of Charles R. Saunder's Imaro got 
>pulped because DAW used a blurb that attracted the ire of the extremely
>litigious Burroughs estate.

-- 
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Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#489046

FromMoriarty <blues95@ivillage.com>
Date2018-03-25 14:57 -0700
Message-ID<6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#488924
On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote:

<snip>
 
> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful.

I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for a fantasy novel, it's ok.

-Moriarty

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#489048

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-03-25 22:46 +0000
Message-ID<p664LC.qBv@kithrup.com>
In reply to#489046
In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>,
Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote:
>
><snip>
> 
>> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful.
>
>I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little
>resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for
>a fantasy novel, it's ok.

Yeah, but.

You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely
different novel later?

As James pointed out a while back, the girl in the white 1940s
prom dress should actually have been wearing all black, including
a hooded cloak.  And I mentioned that characteristic black several
times in the text, including the moment when (having lost the
Sight) she said she'd never wear the black again.

Oh well.  Bill Gill made me a rather better cover, combining his
own kitchen sink and a mounted knight by Howard Pyle (early 20th
century and, AFAIK, out of copyright).

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#489049

FromMoriarty <blues95@ivillage.com>
Date2018-03-25 16:12 -0700
Message-ID<9d4bcad0-df04-4ede-a4ef-73b4844e91ed@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#489048
On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:00:05 AM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>,
> Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
> >On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> > 
> >> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful.
> >
> >I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little
> >resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for
> >a fantasy novel, it's ok.
> 
> Yeah, but.
> 
> You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely
> different novel later?

No, I didn't.  I'm curious now as to what it was.

-Moriarty

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#489052

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-03-26 01:22 +0000
Message-ID<p66Bt0.169G@kithrup.com>
In reply to#489049
In article <9d4bcad0-df04-4ede-a4ef-73b4844e91ed@googlegroups.com>,
Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:00:05 AM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>,
>> Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>> >On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote:
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> > 
>> >> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful.
>> >
>> >I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little
>> >resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for
>> >a fantasy novel, it's ok.
>> 
>> Yeah, but.
>> 
>> You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely
>> different novel later?
>
>No, I didn't.  I'm curious now as to what it was.

I'm trying to remember if I ever knew what it was, or if somebody
just told me "that cover's now been used for an entirely
different book."

...

Just searched through all the stuff I still have on disk
regarding _TIL_ and found,

> I don't blame you.  *I* was put off by the cover.  (Which, so I'm
> told, later got re-used for the cover of some kind of historical
> novel, which I hope it fitted better than it did _IL_.) 

So if I ever knew, I've forgotten.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#489059

FromMoriarty <blues95@ivillage.com>
Date2018-03-25 20:47 -0700
Message-ID<e0da12e3-38a7-4fb8-9a29-68958972737f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#489052
On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 12:30:03 PM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <9d4bcad0-df04-4ede-a4ef-73b4844e91ed@googlegroups.com>,
> Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
> >On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:00:05 AM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
> >> >On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> >
> >> ><snip>
> >> > 
> >> >> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful.
> >> >
> >> >I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little
> >> >resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for
> >> >a fantasy novel, it's ok.
> >> 
> >> Yeah, but.
> >> 
> >> You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely
> >> different novel later?
> >
> >No, I didn't.  I'm curious now as to what it was.
> 
> I'm trying to remember if I ever knew what it was, or if somebody
> just told me "that cover's now been used for an entirely
> different book."
> 
> ...
> 
> Just searched through all the stuff I still have on disk
> regarding _TIL_ and found,
> 
> > I don't blame you.  *I* was put off by the cover.  (Which, so I'm
> > told, later got re-used for the cover of some kind of historical
> > novel, which I hope it fitted better than it did _IL_.) 
> 
> So if I ever knew, I've forgotten.

A bit of detective work yields...

https://www.litmir.me/data/Book/0/6000/6525/BC4_1490513637.jpg

Either TIL had a Russian translation, or that's it.

-Moriarty

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#489065

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-03-26 04:00 +0000
Message-ID<p66J42.1MKI@kithrup.com>
In reply to#489059
In article <e0da12e3-38a7-4fb8-9a29-68958972737f@googlegroups.com>,
Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 12:30:03 PM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <9d4bcad0-df04-4ede-a4ef-73b4844e91ed@googlegroups.com>,
>> Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>> >On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:00:05 AM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> >> In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> ><snip>
>> >> > 
>> >> >> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful.
>> >> >
>> >> >I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little
>> >> >resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for
>> >> >a fantasy novel, it's ok.
>> >> 
>> >> Yeah, but.
>> >> 
>> >> You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely
>> >> different novel later?
>> >
>> >No, I didn't.  I'm curious now as to what it was.
>> 
>> I'm trying to remember if I ever knew what it was, or if somebody
>> just told me "that cover's now been used for an entirely
>> different book."
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> Just searched through all the stuff I still have on disk
>> regarding _TIL_ and found,
>> 
>> > I don't blame you.  *I* was put off by the cover.  (Which, so I'm
>> > told, later got re-used for the cover of some kind of historical
>> > novel, which I hope it fitted better than it did _IL_.) 
>> 
>> So if I ever knew, I've forgotten.
>
>A bit of detective work yields...
>
>https://www.litmir.me/data/Book/0/6000/6525/BC4_1490513637.jpg
>
>Either TIL had a Russian translation, or that's it.

Bozhemoi.

That's Russian for OMG.

I tried to learn Russian once, and still remember bits of the
Cyrillic alphabet.  The large-print name at the top of the cover
reads "TOLKEN."

So that is neither _The Interior Life_ nor some kind of
historical novel, but a ripped-off cover for an undoubtedly
ripped-off work by Tolkien.  I can't decipher the rest of the
Russian; can anybody?

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#489066

Fromted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
Date2018-03-26 04:21 +0000
Message-ID<fhraq4Fo6s9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#489065
In article <p66J42.1MKI@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <e0da12e3-38a7-4fb8-9a29-68958972737f@googlegroups.com>,
>Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>>On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 12:30:03 PM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <9d4bcad0-df04-4ede-a4ef-73b4844e91ed@googlegroups.com>,
>>> Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>>> >On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:00:05 AM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> >> In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>,
>>> >> Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>>> >> >On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> ><snip>
>>> >> > 
>>> >> >> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little
>>> >> >resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for
>>> >> >a fantasy novel, it's ok.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Yeah, but.
>>> >> 
>>> >> You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely
>>> >> different novel later?
>>> >
>>> >No, I didn't.  I'm curious now as to what it was.
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to remember if I ever knew what it was, or if somebody
>>> just told me "that cover's now been used for an entirely
>>> different book."
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> Just searched through all the stuff I still have on disk
>>> regarding _TIL_ and found,
>>> 
>>> > I don't blame you.  *I* was put off by the cover.  (Which, so I'm
>>> > told, later got re-used for the cover of some kind of historical
>>> > novel, which I hope it fitted better than it did _IL_.) 
>>> 
>>> So if I ever knew, I've forgotten.
>>
>>A bit of detective work yields...
>>
>>https://www.litmir.me/data/Book/0/6000/6525/BC4_1490513637.jpg
>>
>>Either TIL had a Russian translation, or that's it.
>
>Bozhemoi.
>
>That's Russian for OMG.
>
>I tried to learn Russian once, and still remember bits of the
>Cyrillic alphabet.  The large-print name at the top of the cover
>reads "TOLKEN."
>
>So that is neither _The Interior Life_ nor some kind of
>historical novel, but a ripped-off cover for an undoubtedly
>ripped-off work by Tolkien.  I can't decipher the rest of the
>Russian; can anybody?
>

The Baen cover for _Hell On High_ ended up as a Czech beer label..
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