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| Started by | jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) |
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| First post | 2018-03-22 14:30 +0000 |
| Last post | 2018-03-23 16:55 +0000 |
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[tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-22 14:30 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-22 16:20 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-22 10:16 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 10:45 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-23 10:33 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 20:48 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-23 21:08 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 08:53 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-24 09:48 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 13:11 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 10:45 -0500
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 12:14 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-25 16:49 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 13:31 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-26 04:28 +0300
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 22:37 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-26 05:56 +0300
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-25 21:40 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 04:11 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 03:29 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 04:03 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-25 21:34 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-25 13:15 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Anthony Frost <Vulch@vulch.org> - 2018-03-26 10:45 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 06:05 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 09:17 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-03-26 01:16 +0100
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 22:38 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 19:35 -0500
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 22:52 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-26 19:58 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 23:20 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 06:08 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-22 21:41 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-23 10:31 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 18:28 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2018-03-25 17:46 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-24 10:09 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-24 17:34 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-22 11:24 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-22 17:47 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 11:07 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2018-03-22 17:57 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-22 12:42 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-22 14:10 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-22 17:38 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 16:57 -0500
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-23 13:36 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-23 06:57 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dan ONeill <garudaco@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 07:50 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 14:23 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-23 14:57 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 18:30 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-25 14:57 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-25 22:46 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-25 16:12 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 01:22 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-25 20:47 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 04:00 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 04:21 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 04:23 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 14:18 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 07:49 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 11:23 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 15:34 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 10:05 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:33 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 16:24 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 15:40 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 22:55 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 09:39 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-26 14:16 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 17:24 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 14:44 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 14:31 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-26 14:36 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 22:00 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-26 15:26 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-26 15:37 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-29 11:33 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 05:35 -0500
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2018-03-26 11:26 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 11:39 -0500
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-23 16:55 +0000
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-03-22 17:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fhi8hoFmvi3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #488862 |
In article <p90osr$1tsm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2018-03-22 8:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote: >> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? >> >> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/ >> > >I got to point out that There And Back Again has a bit of legal problem >that probably explains why it isn't in print and won't be as long as The >Lord of The Rings isn't in the public domain. And saying these books can't be bought is not to say they are not available. I'm sure there are samizdat epubs for most of them. Not that I would advocate that of course. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-22 11:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <23d23edb-3cc9-4f0f-8799-f278a0d1aa8f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #488864 |
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 1:47:40 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: > In article <p90osr$1tsm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, > David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: > >On 2018-03-22 8:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote: > >> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? > >> > >> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/ > >> > > > >I got to point out that There And Back Again has a bit of legal problem > >that probably explains why it isn't in print and won't be as long as The > >Lord of The Rings isn't in the public domain. > > And saying these books can't be bought is not to say they are not available. > I'm sure there are samizdat epubs for most of them. Not that I would > advocate that of course. ...and most are available used. I bought 'There and back again' for 10 bucks online a few months ago. pt
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| From | Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> |
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| Date | 2018-03-22 17:57 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <m2efkb64us.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org> |
| In reply to | #488864 |
begin fnord ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes: > And saying these books can't be bought is not to say they are not available. > I'm sure there are samizdat epubs for most of them. Not that I would > advocate that of course. Nine times out of ten used copies can be had cheaply and perfectly legally. -- Steve Coltrin spcoltri@omcl.org Google Groups killfiled here "A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed." - Associated Press
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| From | Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-22 12:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7e39a582-569a-4ebb-8309-b73919b15209@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #488855 |
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:30:25 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote: > Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? > > https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/ [snip-snip] > I tend to expect that many others will love the same books that I > do. I have been proved wrong again and again. [snip] That answers the question, doesn't it? Most people just don't appreciate finer things in life like Vegemite and Clark Ashton Smith. If they choose, heaven help them, peanut butter and H. P. Lovecraft instead ... well, I say let them get what they so richly deserve!
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2018-03-22 14:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <p9164k$i84$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #488869 |
On 3/22/2018 12:42 PM, Ahasuerus wrote: > On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:30:25 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote: >> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? >> >> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/ > > [snip-snip] >> I tend to expect that many others will love the same books that I >> do. I have been proved wrong again and again. [snip] > > That answers the question, doesn't it? Most people just don't > appreciate finer things in life like Vegemite and Clark Ashton Smith. > If they choose, heaven help them, peanut butter and H. P. Lovecraft > instead ... well, I say let them get what they so richly deserve! > Full stomachs with which to face the end of the world? -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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| From | Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-22 17:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20f7b948-f89b-4853-8ae0-191ff068ea92@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #488879 |
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 5:10:47 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote: > On 3/22/2018 12:42 PM, Ahasuerus wrote: > > On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:30:25 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote: > >> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? > >> > >> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/ > > > > [snip-snip] > >> I tend to expect that many others will love the same books that I > >> do. I have been proved wrong again and again. [snip] > > > > That answers the question, doesn't it? Most people just don't > > appreciate finer things in life like Vegemite and Clark Ashton Smith. > > If they choose, heaven help them, peanut butter and H. P. Lovecraft > > instead ... well, I say let them get what they so richly deserve! > > > Full stomachs with which to face the end of the world? If they are lucky, they will go mad first!
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-22 16:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #488855 |
On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote: > Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? > > https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/ The market for things is horribly unfair and biased. And money plays in there somewhere. Lynn
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| From | jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) |
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| Date | 2018-03-23 13:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p92vsa$2qm$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #488884 |
In article <p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote: >> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? >> >> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/ > >The market for things is horribly unfair and biased. And money plays in >there somewhere. At least some of the time, non-market factors come into it. See John M. Ford. Or they do but it's Stupid Publisher Tricks, for which the author pays. -- My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/ My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/ My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
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| From | Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-23 06:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <721d07ec-8b3f-4089-a9b6-16723988bf44@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #488908 |
On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 9:36:13 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote: > In article <p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me>, > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: > >On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote: > >> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? > >> > >> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/ > > > >The market for things is horribly unfair and biased. And money plays in > >there somewhere. > > At least some of the time, non-market factors come into it. See John > M. Ford. Or they do but it's Stupid Publisher Tricks, for which the > author pays. Estate management and publishing peculiarities can be downright, well, peculiar. For example, consider the case of R. A. Lafferty's estate, which reportedly includes over a dozen unpublished novels: http://floggingbabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/r-lafferty-saved-from-drowning.html http://locusmag.com/2016/03/paul-di-filippo-reviews-r-a-lafferty/
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| From | Dan ONeill <garudaco@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-23 07:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <356bc79b-4782-4072-8e42-3e28955e45bd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #488910 |
On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 7:57:37 AM UTC-6, Ahasuerus wrote: > Estate management and publishing peculiarities can be downright, > well, peculiar. For example, consider the case of R. A. Lafferty's > estate, which reportedly includes over a dozen unpublished novels: > > http://floggingbabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/r-lafferty-saved-from-drowning.html > http://locusmag.com/2016/03/paul-di-filippo-reviews-r-a-lafferty/ Centipede Press, http://www.centipedepress.com/ is in the process of publishing a Lafferty series, currently on volume 4. I have no idea what their relationship is with his estate, or whether they plan this to be an integral edition. It looks like the earlier volumes are already sold out. d.o.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-03-23 14:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p61ryJ.1v3A@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #488908 |
In article <p92vsa$2qm$1@reader2.panix.com>, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote: >In article <p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me>, >Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >>On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote: >>> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? >>> >>> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/ >> >>The market for things is horribly unfair and biased. And money plays in >>there somewhere. > >At least some of the time, non-market factors come into it. See John >M. Ford. And H. Beam Piper, back in the day. >Or they do but it's Stupid Publisher Tricks, for which the author >pays. Examples? -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) |
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| Date | 2018-03-23 14:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p934kc$j6a$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #488919 |
In article <p61ryJ.1v3A@kithrup.com>, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >In article <p92vsa$2qm$1@reader2.panix.com>, >James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote: >>In article <p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me>, >>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >>>On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote: >>>> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? >>>> >>>> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/ >>> >>>The market for things is horribly unfair and biased. And money plays in >>>there somewhere. >> >>At least some of the time, non-market factors come into it. See John >>M. Ford. > >And H. Beam Piper, back in the day. > >>Or they do but it's Stupid Publisher Tricks, for which the author >>pays. > >Examples? IIRC what killed Tanith Lee in North America was her publisher deciding to market one of her books as horror just as the horror market was imploding again, then concluding the issue was with her and not how the book was sold. I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful. As I recall, the first print run of Charles R. Saunder's Imaro got pulped because DAW used a blurb that attracted the ire of the extremely litigious Burroughs estate. -- My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/ My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/ My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-03-23 18:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p623E3.CoM@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #488924 |
In article <p934kc$j6a$1@reader2.panix.com>, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote: >In article <p61ryJ.1v3A@kithrup.com>, >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >>In article <p92vsa$2qm$1@reader2.panix.com>, >>James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote: >>>In article <p918t1$58i$1@dont-email.me>, >>>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>On 3/22/2018 9:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote: >>>>> Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? >>>>> >>>>> https://www.tor.com/2018/03/22/why-the-hell-are-these-books-out-of-print/ >>>> >>>>The market for things is horribly unfair and biased. And money plays in >>>>there somewhere. >>> >>>At least some of the time, non-market factors come into it. See John >>>M. Ford. >> >>And H. Beam Piper, back in the day. >> >>>Or they do but it's Stupid Publisher Tricks, for which the author >>>pays. >> >>Examples? > >IIRC what killed Tanith Lee in North America was her publisher deciding >to market one of her books as horror just as the horror market was imploding >again, then concluding the issue was with her and not how the book was sold. > >I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful. Sir, you have just won the Meiosis Award of the Decade. > >As I recall, the first print run of Charles R. Saunder's Imaro got >pulped because DAW used a blurb that attracted the ire of the extremely >litigious Burroughs estate. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-25 14:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #488924 |
On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote: <snip> > I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful. I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for a fantasy novel, it's ok. -Moriarty
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-03-25 22:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p664LC.qBv@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #489046 |
In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>, Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote: > ><snip> > >> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful. > >I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little >resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for >a fantasy novel, it's ok. Yeah, but. You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely different novel later? As James pointed out a while back, the girl in the white 1940s prom dress should actually have been wearing all black, including a hooded cloak. And I mentioned that characteristic black several times in the text, including the moment when (having lost the Sight) she said she'd never wear the black again. Oh well. Bill Gill made me a rather better cover, combining his own kitchen sink and a mounted knight by Howard Pyle (early 20th century and, AFAIK, out of copyright). -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-25 16:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9d4bcad0-df04-4ede-a4ef-73b4844e91ed@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #489048 |
On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:00:05 AM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>, > Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: > >On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote: > > > ><snip> > > > >> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful. > > > >I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little > >resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for > >a fantasy novel, it's ok. > > Yeah, but. > > You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely > different novel later? No, I didn't. I'm curious now as to what it was. -Moriarty
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-03-26 01:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p66Bt0.169G@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #489049 |
In article <9d4bcad0-df04-4ede-a4ef-73b4844e91ed@googlegroups.com>, Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:00:05 AM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>, >> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >> >On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote: >> > >> ><snip> >> > >> >> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful. >> > >> >I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little >> >resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for >> >a fantasy novel, it's ok. >> >> Yeah, but. >> >> You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely >> different novel later? > >No, I didn't. I'm curious now as to what it was. I'm trying to remember if I ever knew what it was, or if somebody just told me "that cover's now been used for an entirely different book." ... Just searched through all the stuff I still have on disk regarding _TIL_ and found, > I don't blame you. *I* was put off by the cover. (Which, so I'm > told, later got re-used for the cover of some kind of historical > novel, which I hope it fitted better than it did _IL_.) So if I ever knew, I've forgotten. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-25 20:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e0da12e3-38a7-4fb8-9a29-68958972737f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #489052 |
On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 12:30:03 PM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <9d4bcad0-df04-4ede-a4ef-73b4844e91ed@googlegroups.com>, > Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: > >On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:00:05 AM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >> In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>, > >> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: > >> >On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote: > >> > > >> ><snip> > >> > > >> >> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful. > >> > > >> >I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little > >> >resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for > >> >a fantasy novel, it's ok. > >> > >> Yeah, but. > >> > >> You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely > >> different novel later? > > > >No, I didn't. I'm curious now as to what it was. > > I'm trying to remember if I ever knew what it was, or if somebody > just told me "that cover's now been used for an entirely > different book." > > ... > > Just searched through all the stuff I still have on disk > regarding _TIL_ and found, > > > I don't blame you. *I* was put off by the cover. (Which, so I'm > > told, later got re-used for the cover of some kind of historical > > novel, which I hope it fitted better than it did _IL_.) > > So if I ever knew, I've forgotten. A bit of detective work yields... https://www.litmir.me/data/Book/0/6000/6525/BC4_1490513637.jpg Either TIL had a Russian translation, or that's it. -Moriarty
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-03-26 04:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p66J42.1MKI@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #489059 |
In article <e0da12e3-38a7-4fb8-9a29-68958972737f@googlegroups.com>, Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 12:30:03 PM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <9d4bcad0-df04-4ede-a4ef-73b4844e91ed@googlegroups.com>, >> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >> >On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:00:05 AM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >> In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>, >> >> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >> >> >On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote: >> >> > >> >> ><snip> >> >> > >> >> >> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful. >> >> > >> >> >I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little >> >> >resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for >> >> >a fantasy novel, it's ok. >> >> >> >> Yeah, but. >> >> >> >> You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely >> >> different novel later? >> > >> >No, I didn't. I'm curious now as to what it was. >> >> I'm trying to remember if I ever knew what it was, or if somebody >> just told me "that cover's now been used for an entirely >> different book." >> >> ... >> >> Just searched through all the stuff I still have on disk >> regarding _TIL_ and found, >> >> > I don't blame you. *I* was put off by the cover. (Which, so I'm >> > told, later got re-used for the cover of some kind of historical >> > novel, which I hope it fitted better than it did _IL_.) >> >> So if I ever knew, I've forgotten. > >A bit of detective work yields... > >https://www.litmir.me/data/Book/0/6000/6525/BC4_1490513637.jpg > >Either TIL had a Russian translation, or that's it. Bozhemoi. That's Russian for OMG. I tried to learn Russian once, and still remember bits of the Cyrillic alphabet. The large-print name at the top of the cover reads "TOLKEN." So that is neither _The Interior Life_ nor some kind of historical novel, but a ripped-off cover for an undoubtedly ripped-off work by Tolkien. I can't decipher the rest of the Russian; can anybody? -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-03-26 04:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fhraq4Fo6s9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #489065 |
In article <p66J42.1MKI@kithrup.com>, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >In article <e0da12e3-38a7-4fb8-9a29-68958972737f@googlegroups.com>, >Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >>On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 12:30:03 PM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> In article <9d4bcad0-df04-4ede-a4ef-73b4844e91ed@googlegroups.com>, >>> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >>> >On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:00:05 AM UTC+11, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> >> In article <6ff94383-fdba-4038-b1a1-3986f81326e7@googlegroups.com>, >>> >> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >>> >> >On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 1:57:19 AM UTC+11, James Nicoll wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> ><snip> >>> >> > >>> >> >> I don't think the Baen cover for The Interior Life was helpful. >>> >> > >>> >> >I actually quite like it. As Dorothy has pointed out, it bears little >>> >> >resemblance to anything actually in the book, but as generic artwork for >>> >> >a fantasy novel, it's ok. >>> >> >>> >> Yeah, but. >>> >> >>> >> You do know it got recycled (so I was told) for an entirely >>> >> different novel later? >>> > >>> >No, I didn't. I'm curious now as to what it was. >>> >>> I'm trying to remember if I ever knew what it was, or if somebody >>> just told me "that cover's now been used for an entirely >>> different book." >>> >>> ... >>> >>> Just searched through all the stuff I still have on disk >>> regarding _TIL_ and found, >>> >>> > I don't blame you. *I* was put off by the cover. (Which, so I'm >>> > told, later got re-used for the cover of some kind of historical >>> > novel, which I hope it fitted better than it did _IL_.) >>> >>> So if I ever knew, I've forgotten. >> >>A bit of detective work yields... >> >>https://www.litmir.me/data/Book/0/6000/6525/BC4_1490513637.jpg >> >>Either TIL had a Russian translation, or that's it. > >Bozhemoi. > >That's Russian for OMG. > >I tried to learn Russian once, and still remember bits of the >Cyrillic alphabet. The large-print name at the top of the cover >reads "TOLKEN." > >So that is neither _The Interior Life_ nor some kind of >historical novel, but a ripped-off cover for an undoubtedly >ripped-off work by Tolkien. I can't decipher the rest of the >Russian; can anybody? > The Baen cover for _Hell On High_ ended up as a Czech beer label.. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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