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  Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-11-06 14:13 -0800
    Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-11-06 23:41 +0000
      Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 20:00 -0500
        Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2016-11-06 17:32 -0800
        Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-11-07 04:36 +0000
    Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 21:26 -0600
      Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-11-07 04:40 +0000
        Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-11-06 22:42 -0800
        Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 05:39 -0500
          Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-11-07 13:34 +0000
            Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-11-07 05:54 -0800
            Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 07:20 -0700
          Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 07:19 -0700
    Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 12:26 -0600
      Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-11-07 11:35 -0800
      Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-11-07 20:13 +0000
        Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-11-19 10:41 -0800
          Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-11-19 12:45 -0800
            Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-11-19 22:02 +0000
              Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 14:18 -0700
                Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 14:59 -0800
                  Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 19:02 -0700
                    Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 19:50 -0800
                      Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 20:34 -0700
                        Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-11-20 05:12 +0000
                          Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 21:35 -0700
                          Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 21:35 -0700
                      Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-11-20 05:12 +0000
                        Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 21:40 -0800
                Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-11-20 12:39 -0800
                  Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 13:00 -0700
                    Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-11-20 17:59 -0800
                      Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-11-21 14:18 +0000
                        Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 09:01 -0800
                          Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-11-21 09:37 -0800
          Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-11-19 13:57 -0800
            Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-11-19 22:04 +0000
              Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-11-19 14:56 -0800
                Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-11-19 23:12 +0000
                  Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-11-21 14:02 -0800
              Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-11-19 22:56 +0000
                Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-11-19 23:12 +0000
                  Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-11-19 23:19 +0000
              Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 20:01 -0800
          Re: Radical Left Rag Attacks Donald Trump djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-11-19 22:00 +0000

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#457496

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:18:00 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
> news:oGwt8v.1J4q@kithrup.com: 
> 
> > In article
> > <7f832423-e076-465e-86b8-9a09d99ac701@googlegroups.com>, Kevrob 
> > <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: 
> >>On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 1:41:58 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc
> >>wrote: 
> >>> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J
> >>> Heydt wrote: 
> >>>  
> >>> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill Hitler,"
> >>> > one of whose elements (not the primary one) is "Oh damn, we
> >>> > were going to kill Hitler for his crimes against humanity,
> >>> > but we're too early, he hasn't committed most of them yet,
> >>> > we'll have to come back later."
> >>> 
> >>> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point...
> >>> killing an "innocent" Hitler is a perfectly reasonable thing
> >>> to do as his innocent victims 
> >>are to be 
> >>> preferred.
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>
> >>....but what if that's the "good Hitler" timeline where he moves
> >>to New York in 1907 (rather than to Vienna,) winds up being in
> >>the Armory Show and becomes an influential, if minor, modern
> >>artist? 
> > 
> > Again ... "Wikihistory."
> > 
> > If I already posted the link, you may ignore it.
> > 
> > http://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/
> > 
> > No Hitler, no World War II,
> 
> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and the 
> oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler, someone 
> else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.

Once again, Stephen Fry's "Making History" is recommended.

William Hyde

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#457511

William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
news:11ef6f76-df3a-46f7-b136-7a51946d76c6@googlegroups.com: 

> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:18:00 PM UTC-5, Gutless
> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>> news:oGwt8v.1J4q@kithrup.com: 
>> 
>> > In article
>> > <7f832423-e076-465e-86b8-9a09d99ac701@googlegroups.com>,
>> > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: 
>> >>On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 1:41:58 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc
>> >>wrote: 
>> >>> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J
>> >>> Heydt wrote: 
>> >>>  
>> >>> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill
>> >>> > Hitler," one of whose elements (not the primary one) is
>> >>> > "Oh damn, we were going to kill Hitler for his crimes
>> >>> > against humanity, but we're too early, he hasn't
>> >>> > committed most of them yet, we'll have to come back
>> >>> > later." 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point...
>> >>> killing an "innocent" Hitler is a perfectly reasonable
>> >>> thing to do as his innocent victims 
>> >>are to be 
>> >>> preferred.
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>....but what if that's the "good Hitler" timeline where he
>> >>moves to New York in 1907 (rather than to Vienna,) winds up
>> >>being in the Armory Show and becomes an influential, if
>> >>minor, modern artist? 
>> > 
>> > Again ... "Wikihistory."
>> > 
>> > If I already posted the link, you may ignore it.
>> > 
>> > http://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/
>> > 
>> > No Hitler, no World War II,
>> 
>> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and the 
>> oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler,
>> someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.
> 
> Once again, Stephen Fry's "Making History" is recommended.
> 
Based on the Wikipedia summary, it seems terribly overwrought until 
I got to ". . . except that his favourite band never existed . . 
." Now I'm almost tempted to read it.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#457516

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 10:02:13 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:11ef6f76-df3a-46f7-b136-7a51946d76c6@googlegroups.com: 
> 
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:18:00 PM UTC-5, Gutless
> > Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
> >> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
> >> news:oGwt8v.1J4q@kithrup.com: 
> >> 
> >> > In article
> >> > <7f832423-e076-465e-86b8-9a09d99ac701@googlegroups.com>,
> >> > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: 
> >> >>On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 1:41:58 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc
> >> >>wrote: 
> >> >>> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J
> >> >>> Heydt wrote: 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill
> >> >>> > Hitler," one of whose elements (not the primary one) is
> >> >>> > "Oh damn, we were going to kill Hitler for his crimes
> >> >>> > against humanity, but we're too early, he hasn't
> >> >>> > committed most of them yet, we'll have to come back
> >> >>> > later." 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point...
> >> >>> killing an "innocent" Hitler is a perfectly reasonable
> >> >>> thing to do as his innocent victims 
> >> >>are to be 
> >> >>> preferred.
> >> >>> 
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>....but what if that's the "good Hitler" timeline where he
> >> >>moves to New York in 1907 (rather than to Vienna,) winds up
> >> >>being in the Armory Show and becomes an influential, if
> >> >>minor, modern artist? 
> >> > 
> >> > Again ... "Wikihistory."
> >> > 
> >> > If I already posted the link, you may ignore it.
> >> > 
> >> > http://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/
> >> > 
> >> > No Hitler, no World War II,
> >> 
> >> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and the 
> >> oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler,
> >> someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.
> > 
> > Once again, Stephen Fry's "Making History" is recommended.
> > 
> Based on the Wikipedia summary, it seems terribly overwrought until 
> I got to ". . . except that his favourite band never existed . . 
> ." Now I'm almost tempted to read it.

I found it amusing, though my copy went walkies somewhere in Texas so I've never done a reread.  I don't think Fry does "Overwrought".

Well, one might regard "The Stars' Tennis Balls" (aka "The Revenge" in its US printing) as overwrought, but then it's based on Dumas.

William Hyde

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#457519

William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
news:41bbd590-b82f-4d8a-8e00-2064ee6101fe@googlegroups.com: 

> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 10:02:13 PM UTC-5, Gutless
> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:11ef6f76-df3a-46f7-b136-7a51946d76c6@googlegroups.com: 
>> 
>> > On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:18:00 PM UTC-5, Gutless
>> > Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>> >> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>> >> news:oGwt8v.1J4q@kithrup.com: 
>> >> 
>> >> > In article
>> >> > <7f832423-e076-465e-86b8-9a09d99ac701@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: 
>> >> >>On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 1:41:58 PM UTC-5,
>> >> >>Quadibloc wrote: 
>> >> >>> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy
>> >> >>> J Heydt wrote: 
>> >> >>>  
>> >> >>> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill
>> >> >>> > Hitler," one of whose elements (not the primary one)
>> >> >>> > is "Oh damn, we were going to kill Hitler for his
>> >> >>> > crimes against humanity, but we're too early, he
>> >> >>> > hasn't committed most of them yet, we'll have to come
>> >> >>> > back later." 
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point...
>> >> >>> killing an "innocent" Hitler is a perfectly reasonable
>> >> >>> thing to do as his innocent victims 
>> >> >>are to be 
>> >> >>> preferred.
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>....but what if that's the "good Hitler" timeline where he
>> >> >>moves to New York in 1907 (rather than to Vienna,) winds
>> >> >>up being in the Armory Show and becomes an influential, if
>> >> >>minor, modern artist? 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Again ... "Wikihistory."
>> >> > 
>> >> > If I already posted the link, you may ignore it.
>> >> > 
>> >> > http://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/
>> >> > 
>> >> > No Hitler, no World War II,
>> >> 
>> >> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and
>> >> the oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler,
>> >> someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.
>> > 
>> > Once again, Stephen Fry's "Making History" is recommended.
>> > 
>> Based on the Wikipedia summary, it seems terribly overwrought
>> until I got to ". . . except that his favourite band never
>> existed . . ." Now I'm almost tempted to read it.
> 
> I found it amusing, though my copy went walkies somewhere in
> Texas so I've never done a reread.  I don't think Fry does
> "Overwrought". 

I have no opinion on the book itself. The Wikipedia summary made it 
seem so. It's Wikipedia, so it sucks automatically. Also, I'm very 
picky on what I read, so I'm always looking for reasons to skip 
something. I currently have a backlog waiting, which is a little 
unusual for me.
> 
> Well, one might regard "The Stars' Tennis Balls" (aka "The
> Revenge" in its US printing) as overwrought, but then it's based
> on Dumas. 
> 
Apparently, Dumas wasn't paid by the word, he was paid by the 
column inch, which produces all the short half-sentence dialog. 
Nobody does Dumas pastiche better than Brust, though.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#457523

In article <XnsA6C5D1523BF95taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:41bbd590-b82f-4d8a-8e00-2064ee6101fe@googlegroups.com: 
>
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 10:02:13 PM UTC-5, Gutless
>> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:11ef6f76-df3a-46f7-b136-7a51946d76c6@googlegroups.com: 
>>> 
>>> > On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:18:00 PM UTC-5, Gutless
>>> > Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>>> >> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>> >> news:oGwt8v.1J4q@kithrup.com: 
>>> >> 
>>> >> > In article
>>> >> > <7f832423-e076-465e-86b8-9a09d99ac701@googlegroups.com>,
>>> >> > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: 
>>> >> >>On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 1:41:58 PM UTC-5,
>>> >> >>Quadibloc wrote: 
>>> >> >>> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy
>>> >> >>> J Heydt wrote: 
>>> >> >>>  
>>> >> >>> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill
>>> >> >>> > Hitler," one of whose elements (not the primary one)
>>> >> >>> > is "Oh damn, we were going to kill Hitler for his
>>> >> >>> > crimes against humanity, but we're too early, he
>>> >> >>> > hasn't committed most of them yet, we'll have to come
>>> >> >>> > back later." 
>>> >> >>> 
>>> >> >>> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point...
>>> >> >>> killing an "innocent" Hitler is a perfectly reasonable
>>> >> >>> thing to do as his innocent victims 
>>> >> >>are to be 
>>> >> >>> preferred.
>>> >> >>> 
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>....but what if that's the "good Hitler" timeline where he
>>> >> >>moves to New York in 1907 (rather than to Vienna,) winds
>>> >> >>up being in the Armory Show and becomes an influential, if
>>> >> >>minor, modern artist? 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > Again ... "Wikihistory."
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > If I already posted the link, you may ignore it.
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > http://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > No Hitler, no World War II,
>>> >> 
>>> >> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and
>>> >> the oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler,
>>> >> someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.
>>> > 
>>> > Once again, Stephen Fry's "Making History" is recommended.
>>> > 
>>> Based on the Wikipedia summary, it seems terribly overwrought
>>> until I got to ". . . except that his favourite band never
>>> existed . . ." Now I'm almost tempted to read it.
>> 
>> I found it amusing, though my copy went walkies somewhere in
>> Texas so I've never done a reread.  I don't think Fry does
>> "Overwrought". 
>
>I have no opinion on the book itself. The Wikipedia summary made it 
>seem so. It's Wikipedia, so it sucks automatically. Also, I'm very 
>picky on what I read, so I'm always looking for reasons to skip 
>something. I currently have a backlog waiting, which is a little 
>unusual for me.
>> 
>> Well, one might regard "The Stars' Tennis Balls" (aka "The
>> Revenge" in its US printing) as overwrought, but then it's based
>> on Dumas. 
>> 
>Apparently, Dumas wasn't paid by the word, he was paid by the 
>column inch, which produces all the short half-sentence dialog. 
>Nobody does Dumas pastiche better than Brust, though.
>
I think that's what I just said.  :)

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#457525

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:oGxD52.EHI@kithrup.com: 

> In article <XnsA6C5D1523BF95taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:41bbd590-b82f-4d8a-8e00-2064ee6101fe@googlegroups.com: 
>>
>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 10:02:13 PM UTC-5, Gutless
>>> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:11ef6f76-df3a-46f7-b136-7a51946d76c6@googlegroups.com: 
>>>> 
>>>> > On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:18:00 PM UTC-5, Gutless
>>>> > Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>>>> >> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>> >> news:oGwt8v.1J4q@kithrup.com: 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> > In article
>>>> >> > <7f832423-e076-465e-86b8-9a09d99ac701@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> >> > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: 
>>>> >> >>On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 1:41:58 PM UTC-5,
>>>> >> >>Quadibloc wrote: 
>>>> >> >>> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7,
>>>> >> >>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote: 
>>>> >> >>>  
>>>> >> >>> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill
>>>> >> >>> > Hitler," one of whose elements (not the primary one)
>>>> >> >>> > is "Oh damn, we were going to kill Hitler for his
>>>> >> >>> > crimes against humanity, but we're too early, he
>>>> >> >>> > hasn't committed most of them yet, we'll have to
>>>> >> >>> > come back later." 
>>>> >> >>> 
>>>> >> >>> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the
>>>> >> >>> point... killing an "innocent" Hitler is a perfectly
>>>> >> >>> reasonable thing to do as his innocent victims 
>>>> >> >>are to be 
>>>> >> >>> preferred.
>>>> >> >>> 
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>....but what if that's the "good Hitler" timeline where
>>>> >> >>he moves to New York in 1907 (rather than to Vienna,)
>>>> >> >>winds up being in the Armory Show and becomes an
>>>> >> >>influential, if minor, modern artist? 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > Again ... "Wikihistory."
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > If I already posted the link, you may ignore it.
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > http://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > No Hitler, no World War II,
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and
>>>> >> the oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not
>>>> >> Hitler, someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and
>>>> >> stupid. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Once again, Stephen Fry's "Making History" is recommended.
>>>> > 
>>>> Based on the Wikipedia summary, it seems terribly overwrought
>>>> until I got to ". . . except that his favourite band never
>>>> existed . . ." Now I'm almost tempted to read it.
>>> 
>>> I found it amusing, though my copy went walkies somewhere in
>>> Texas so I've never done a reread.  I don't think Fry does
>>> "Overwrought". 
>>
>>I have no opinion on the book itself. The Wikipedia summary made
>>it seem so. It's Wikipedia, so it sucks automatically. Also, I'm
>>very picky on what I read, so I'm always looking for reasons to
>>skip something. I currently have a backlog waiting, which is a
>>little unusual for me.
>>> 
>>> Well, one might regard "The Stars' Tennis Balls" (aka "The
>>> Revenge" in its US printing) as overwrought, but then it's
>>> based on Dumas. 
>>> 
>>Apparently, Dumas wasn't paid by the word, he was paid by the 
>>column inch, which produces all the short half-sentence dialog. 
>>Nobody does Dumas pastiche better than Brust, though.
>>
> I think that's what I just said.  :)
> 
Ends up in the same place, anyway.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#457526

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:oGxD52.EHI@kithrup.com: 

> In article <XnsA6C5D1523BF95taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:41bbd590-b82f-4d8a-8e00-2064ee6101fe@googlegroups.com: 
>>
>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 10:02:13 PM UTC-5, Gutless
>>> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:11ef6f76-df3a-46f7-b136-7a51946d76c6@googlegroups.com: 
>>>> 
>>>> > On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:18:00 PM UTC-5, Gutless
>>>> > Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>>>> >> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>> >> news:oGwt8v.1J4q@kithrup.com: 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> > In article
>>>> >> > <7f832423-e076-465e-86b8-9a09d99ac701@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> >> > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: 
>>>> >> >>On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 1:41:58 PM UTC-5,
>>>> >> >>Quadibloc wrote: 
>>>> >> >>> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7,
>>>> >> >>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote: 
>>>> >> >>>  
>>>> >> >>> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill
>>>> >> >>> > Hitler," one of whose elements (not the primary one)
>>>> >> >>> > is "Oh damn, we were going to kill Hitler for his
>>>> >> >>> > crimes against humanity, but we're too early, he
>>>> >> >>> > hasn't committed most of them yet, we'll have to
>>>> >> >>> > come back later." 
>>>> >> >>> 
>>>> >> >>> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the
>>>> >> >>> point... killing an "innocent" Hitler is a perfectly
>>>> >> >>> reasonable thing to do as his innocent victims 
>>>> >> >>are to be 
>>>> >> >>> preferred.
>>>> >> >>> 
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>....but what if that's the "good Hitler" timeline where
>>>> >> >>he moves to New York in 1907 (rather than to Vienna,)
>>>> >> >>winds up being in the Armory Show and becomes an
>>>> >> >>influential, if minor, modern artist? 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > Again ... "Wikihistory."
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > If I already posted the link, you may ignore it.
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > http://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > No Hitler, no World War II,
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and
>>>> >> the oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not
>>>> >> Hitler, someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and
>>>> >> stupid. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Once again, Stephen Fry's "Making History" is recommended.
>>>> > 
>>>> Based on the Wikipedia summary, it seems terribly overwrought
>>>> until I got to ". . . except that his favourite band never
>>>> existed . . ." Now I'm almost tempted to read it.
>>> 
>>> I found it amusing, though my copy went walkies somewhere in
>>> Texas so I've never done a reread.  I don't think Fry does
>>> "Overwrought". 
>>
>>I have no opinion on the book itself. The Wikipedia summary made
>>it seem so. It's Wikipedia, so it sucks automatically. Also, I'm
>>very picky on what I read, so I'm always looking for reasons to
>>skip something. I currently have a backlog waiting, which is a
>>little unusual for me.
>>> 
>>> Well, one might regard "The Stars' Tennis Balls" (aka "The
>>> Revenge" in its US printing) as overwrought, but then it's
>>> based on Dumas. 
>>> 
>>Apparently, Dumas wasn't paid by the word, he was paid by the 
>>column inch, which produces all the short half-sentence dialog. 
>>Nobody does Dumas pastiche better than Brust, though.
>>
> I think that's what I just said.  :)
> 
Ends up in the same place, anyway.

-- 
Terry Austin

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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

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#457522

In article <41bbd590-b82f-4d8a-8e00-2064ee6101fe@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde  <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 10:02:13 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella
>Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:11ef6f76-df3a-46f7-b136-7a51946d76c6@googlegroups.com: 
>> 
>> > On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:18:00 PM UTC-5, Gutless
>> > Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>> >> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>> >> news:oGwt8v.1J4q@kithrup.com: 
>> >> 
>> >> > In article
>> >> > <7f832423-e076-465e-86b8-9a09d99ac701@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: 
>> >> >>On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 1:41:58 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc
>> >> >>wrote: 
>> >> >>> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J
>> >> >>> Heydt wrote: 
>> >> >>>  
>> >> >>> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill
>> >> >>> > Hitler," one of whose elements (not the primary one) is
>> >> >>> > "Oh damn, we were going to kill Hitler for his crimes
>> >> >>> > against humanity, but we're too early, he hasn't
>> >> >>> > committed most of them yet, we'll have to come back
>> >> >>> > later." 
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point...
>> >> >>> killing an "innocent" Hitler is a perfectly reasonable
>> >> >>> thing to do as his innocent victims 
>> >> >>are to be 
>> >> >>> preferred.
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>....but what if that's the "good Hitler" timeline where he
>> >> >>moves to New York in 1907 (rather than to Vienna,) winds up
>> >> >>being in the Armory Show and becomes an influential, if
>> >> >>minor, modern artist? 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Again ... "Wikihistory."
>> >> > 
>> >> > If I already posted the link, you may ignore it.
>> >> > 
>> >> > http://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/
>> >> > 
>> >> > No Hitler, no World War II,
>> >> 
>> >> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and the 
>> >> oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler,
>> >> someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.
>> > 
>> > Once again, Stephen Fry's "Making History" is recommended.
>> > 
>> Based on the Wikipedia summary, it seems terribly overwrought until 
>> I got to ". . . except that his favourite band never existed . . 
>> ." Now I'm almost tempted to read it.
>
>I found it amusing, though my copy went walkies somewhere in Texas so
>I've never done a reread.  I don't think Fry does "Overwrought".
>
>Well, one might regard "The Stars' Tennis Balls" (aka "The Revenge" in
>its US printing) as overwrought, but then it's based on Dumas.

Well, so are Brust's Paarfi books.

(I dunno about Brust, but Dumas was paid by the *line*.

Hence all those

"What are you saying?"

"You heard me."

"But this means --"

"Exactly."

"Then we must---"

"Understood." )

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#457527

On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 12:15:03 AM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <41bbd590-b82f-4d8a-8e00-2064ee6101fe@googlegroups.com>,
> William Hyde  <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 10:02:13 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella
> >Carrying Sissy wrote:
> >> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:11ef6f76-df3a-46f7-b136-7a51946d76c6@googlegroups.com: 
> >> 
> >> > On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:18:00 PM UTC-5, Gutless
> >> > Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
> >> >> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
> >> >> news:oGwt8v.1J4q@kithrup.com: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> > In article
> >> >> > <7f832423-e076-465e-86b8-9a09d99ac701@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: 
> >> >> >>On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 1:41:58 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc
> >> >> >>wrote: 
> >> >> >>> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J
> >> >> >>> Heydt wrote: 
> >> >> >>>  
> >> >> >>> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill
> >> >> >>> > Hitler," one of whose elements (not the primary one) is
> >> >> >>> > "Oh damn, we were going to kill Hitler for his crimes
> >> >> >>> > against humanity, but we're too early, he hasn't
> >> >> >>> > committed most of them yet, we'll have to come back
> >> >> >>> > later." 
> >> >> >>> 
> >> >> >>> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point...
> >> >> >>> killing an "innocent" Hitler is a perfectly reasonable
> >> >> >>> thing to do as his innocent victims 
> >> >> >>are to be 
> >> >> >>> preferred.
> >> >> >>> 
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>....but what if that's the "good Hitler" timeline where he
> >> >> >>moves to New York in 1907 (rather than to Vienna,) winds up
> >> >> >>being in the Armory Show and becomes an influential, if
> >> >> >>minor, modern artist? 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Again ... "Wikihistory."
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > If I already posted the link, you may ignore it.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > http://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > No Hitler, no World War II,
> >> >> 
> >> >> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and the 
> >> >> oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler,
> >> >> someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.
> >> > 
> >> > Once again, Stephen Fry's "Making History" is recommended.
> >> > 
> >> Based on the Wikipedia summary, it seems terribly overwrought until 
> >> I got to ". . . except that his favourite band never existed . . 
> >> ." Now I'm almost tempted to read it.
> >
> >I found it amusing, though my copy went walkies somewhere in Texas so
> >I've never done a reread.  I don't think Fry does "Overwrought".
> >
> >Well, one might regard "The Stars' Tennis Balls" (aka "The Revenge" in
> >its US printing) as overwrought, but then it's based on Dumas.
> 
> Well, so are Brust's Paarfi books.
> 
> (I dunno about Brust, but Dumas was paid by the *line*.
> 
> Hence all those
> 
> "What are you saying?"
> 
> "You heard me."
> 
> "But this means --"
> 
> "Exactly."
> 
> "Then we must---"
> 
> "Understood." )

Fry doesn't imitate that particular aspect of Dumas.  I'm not sure what to call the book.  Pastiche seems wrong, homage, perhaps.

William Hyde

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#457553

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 3:18:00 PM UTC-7, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:

> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and the 
> oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler, someone 
> else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.

Well, no Holocaust is already a win.

But it certainly _is_ true that one can't go back in time, just shoot someone, 
and prevent the *Great Depression* from happening.

John Savard

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#457556

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:05d62709-b09f-46df-8b75-7654dc70acff@googlegroups.com: 

> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 3:18:00 PM UTC-7, Gutless
> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
> 
>> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and the 
>> oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler,
>> someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.
> 
> Well, no Holocaust is already a win.

Why would you believe that no Hitler means no Holocaust? Jews have 
been a favorite target of tyrants for millennia, when they need a 
scapegoat.
> 
> But it certainly _is_ true that one can't go back in time, just
> shoot someone, and prevent the *Great Depression* from
> happening. 
> 
Or, as I said, the oppressive conditions imposed on Germany at the 
end of WWI.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#457585

On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 4:00:55 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
> news:05d62709-b09f-46df-8b75-7654dc70acff@googlegroups.com: 
> 
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 3:18:00 PM UTC-7, Gutless
> > Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
> > 
> >> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and the 
> >> oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler,
> >> someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.
> > 
> > Well, no Holocaust is already a win.
> 
> Why would you believe that no Hitler means no Holocaust? Jews have 
> been a favorite target of tyrants for millennia, when they need a 
> scapegoat.
> >

NoHitler would probably keep the communists, an actual threat to freedom,
as the preferred opponent of the alt-NSDAP.  An alt-post WWI Germany that
doesn't persecute Jews anywhere near as much as the OTL version did would 
have been a tougher opponent in alt-WWII.  Besides not being able to 
use Jewish talent, and encouraging those few Jews who could get out 
early enough to help the Allied cause, persecuting the Jews wasted
resources, such as rolling stock and fuel for trains needed to transport 
prisoners to the death camps.

Even if someone else replaced Hitler in the anti-semite politician niche,
it is a bit much to assume he would adopt an exterminationist policy.
Segregation, oppression and even pogroms would be plausible. 
      
 
> > But it certainly _is_ true that one can't go back in time, just
> > shoot someone, and prevent the *Great Depression* from
> > happening. 
> > 

Could we shoot Smoot and Hawley?  :)  Maybe just get the Senate
to seat Reed Smoot.  Some other blockhead would sponsor that tariff
bill, I suppose.
 
> Or, as I said, the oppressive conditions imposed on Germany at the 
> end of WWI.

That's the way to prevent the 3rd Reich.  Engineer a non-vindictive
peace.  (How the hell do you make that happen?!)

This would be a soc.history.what-if discussion,and probably
has been.

Kevin R

 

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#457630

Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> schrieb:
> On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 4:00:55 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>> news:05d62709-b09f-46df-8b75-7654dc70acff@googlegroups.com: 
>> 
>> > On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 3:18:00 PM UTC-7, Gutless
>> > Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and the 
>> >> oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler,
>> >> someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.
>> > 
>> > Well, no Holocaust is already a win.
>> 
>> Why would you believe that no Hitler means no Holocaust? Jews have 
>> been a favorite target of tyrants for millennia, when they need a 
>> scapegoat.
>> >
>
> NoHitler would probably keep the communists, an actual threat to freedom,
> as the preferred opponent of the alt-NSDAP.  An alt-post WWI Germany that
> doesn't persecute Jews anywhere near as much as the OTL version did would 
> have been a tougher opponent in alt-WWII.  Besides not being able to 
> use Jewish talent, and encouraging those few Jews who could get out 
> early enough to help the Allied cause, persecuting the Jews wasted
> resources, such as rolling stock and fuel for trains needed to transport 
> prisoners to the death camps.

Actually, somebody more sane would not have started WWII at all.

Compare the situation before WWI.  Five relevant power blocs:  Germany,
Austria-Hungary, Britain, France and Russia.

Post-Versailles:  Austria-Hungary was dissolved, the new Soviet Union
was out of the diplomatic game.  Germany, Britain and France were left.
The US was back to isolationism (for then).

Britain and France had just proven they could only hold back Germany
with help from the US.  So, given a bit of time, the ascendancy
of Germany was assured.  In effect, Versailles had handed Germany
the victory of WWI, cleverly disguised with huge reparations and
loss of territory.  It was more than foolish to risk this in a war.

Somebody sane in charge of German foreign policy would have seen this,
and acted accordingly.  Stresemann certainly did.

> That's the way to prevent the 3rd Reich.  Engineer a non-vindictive
> peace.  (How the hell do you make that happen?!)

Make sure that ammonia synthesis doesn't get ready in time for WWI?
Germany runs out of ammunition in 1915.

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#457642

On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 9:18:09 AM UTC-5, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> schrieb:
> > On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 4:00:55 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> >> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
> >> news:05d62709-b09f-46df-8b75-7654dc70acff@googlegroups.com: 
> >> 
> >> > On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 3:18:00 PM UTC-7, Gutless
> >> > Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
> >> > 
> >> >> Unlikely. WWII was inevitable due to the "end" of WWI, and the 
> >> >> oppressive conditions imposed on Germany. If not Hitler,
> >> >> someone else, possibly somone not as crazy and stupid.
> >> > 
> >> > Well, no Holocaust is already a win.
> >> 
> >> Why would you believe that no Hitler means no Holocaust? Jews have 
> >> been a favorite target of tyrants for millennia, when they need a 
> >> scapegoat.
> >> >
> >
> > NoHitler would probably keep the communists, an actual threat to freedom,
> > as the preferred opponent of the alt-NSDAP.  An alt-post WWI Germany that
> > doesn't persecute Jews anywhere near as much as the OTL version did would 
> > have been a tougher opponent in alt-WWII.  Besides not being able to 
> > use Jewish talent, and encouraging those few Jews who could get out 
> > early enough to help the Allied cause, persecuting the Jews wasted
> > resources, such as rolling stock and fuel for trains needed to transport 
> > prisoners to the death camps.
> 
> Actually, somebody more sane would not have started WWII at all.
> 
> Compare the situation before WWI.  Five relevant power blocs:  Germany,
> Austria-Hungary, Britain, France and Russia.
> 
> Post-Versailles:  Austria-Hungary was dissolved, the new Soviet Union
> was out of the diplomatic game.  Germany, Britain and France were left.
> The US was back to isolationism (for then).
> 
> Britain and France had just proven they could only hold back Germany
> with help from the US.  So, given a bit of time, the ascendancy
> of Germany was assured.  In effect, Versailles had handed Germany
> the victory of WWI, cleverly disguised with huge reparations and
> loss of territory.  It was more than foolish to risk this in a war.
> 
> Somebody sane in charge of German foreign policy would have seen this,
> and acted accordingly.  Stresemann certainly did.
> 
> > That's the way to prevent the 3rd Reich.  Engineer a non-vindictive
> > peace.  (How the hell do you make that happen?!)
> 
> Make sure that ammonia synthesis doesn't get ready in time for WWI?
> Germany runs out of ammunition in 1915.

Some time, read up on the strange, sad life of Fritz Haber, whose efforts
fed billions, killed millions (including much of his extended family), 
and maimed many thousands.

pt

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#457646

On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 10:01:26 AM UTC-7, Peter Trei wrote:
> On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 9:18:09 AM UTC-5, Thomas Koenig wrote:

> > Make sure that ammonia synthesis doesn't get ready in time for WWI?
> > Germany runs out of ammunition in 1915.
 
> Some time, read up on the strange, sad life of Fritz Haber, whose efforts
> fed billions, killed millions (including much of his extended family), 
> and maimed many thousands.

Ah. Have Fritz Haber grow up in England or the United States. But will that 
result in those countries getting ammonia synthesis first, or just prevent it? 
After all, Germany was a leading nation in science and engineering in those 
days.

John Savard

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#457468

On Saturday, 19 November 2016 18:41:58 UTC, Quadibloc  wrote:
> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>  
> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill Hitler," one of
> > whose elements (not the primary one) is "Oh damn, we were going
> > to kill Hitler for his crimes against humanity, but we're too
> > early, he hasn't committed most of them yet, we'll have to come
> > back later."
> 
> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point... killing an "innocent" 
> Hitler is a perfectly reasonable thing to do as his innocent victims are to be 
> preferred.
> 
> John Savard

My position on "the trolley" problem is that 
the proposed action makes me a murderer,
but something that would happen if I were or 
were not present isn't my fault.  So I don't
kill Not-Been-Evil-Yet Hitler.

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#457484

In article <2dbb8524-5871-48bc-8164-3599645a84fb@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, 19 November 2016 18:41:58 UTC, Quadibloc  wrote:
>> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>  
>> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill Hitler," one of
>> > whose elements (not the primary one) is "Oh damn, we were going
>> > to kill Hitler for his crimes against humanity, but we're too
>> > early, he hasn't committed most of them yet, we'll have to come
>> > back later."
>> 
>> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point... killing an "innocent" 
>> Hitler is a perfectly reasonable thing to do as his innocent victims
>are to be 
>> preferred.
>> 
>> John Savard
>
>My position on "the trolley" problem is that 
>the proposed action makes me a murderer,
>but something that would happen if I were or 
>were not present isn't my fault.  So I don't
>kill Not-Been-Evil-Yet Hitler.

If I really wanted to change history, I'd kidnap baby Hitler and
bring him up somewhere else and not let him get gassed in WWI.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#457493

On Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:15:03 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt  wrote:
> In article <2dbb8524-5871-48bc-8164-3599645a84fb@googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> >On Saturday, 19 November 2016 18:41:58 UTC, Quadibloc  wrote:
> >> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >>  
> >> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill Hitler," one of
> >> > whose elements (not the primary one) is "Oh damn, we were going
> >> > to kill Hitler for his crimes against humanity, but we're too
> >> > early, he hasn't committed most of them yet, we'll have to come
> >> > back later."
> >> 
> >> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point... killing an "innocent" 
> >> Hitler is a perfectly reasonable thing to do as his innocent victims
> >are to be 
> >> preferred.
> >> 
> >> John Savard
> >
> >My position on "the trolley" problem is that 
> >the proposed action makes me a murderer,
> >but something that would happen if I were or 
> >were not present isn't my fault.  So I don't
> >kill Not-Been-Evil-Yet Hitler.
> 
> If I really wanted to change history, I'd kidnap baby Hitler and
> bring him up somewhere else and not let him get gassed in WWI.

If I did that then social services might decide,
quite reasonably, that I wasn't a fit person.
(Although I cycle regularly.)

They also might ask questions about the haircut and 
the moustache, i.e. why does he look like Hitler.

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#457497

In article <0c0e1708-65e6-4831-8cb9-0b7f2dd47242@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:15:03 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt  wrote:
>> In article <2dbb8524-5871-48bc-8164-3599645a84fb@googlegroups.com>,
>> Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>> >On Saturday, 19 November 2016 18:41:58 UTC, Quadibloc  wrote:
>> >> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> >>  
>> >> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill Hitler," one of
>> >> > whose elements (not the primary one) is "Oh damn, we were going
>> >> > to kill Hitler for his crimes against humanity, but we're too
>> >> > early, he hasn't committed most of them yet, we'll have to come
>> >> > back later."
>> >> 
>> >> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point... killing an
>"innocent" 
>> >> Hitler is a perfectly reasonable thing to do as his innocent victims
>> >are to be 
>> >> preferred.
>> >> 
>> >> John Savard
>> >
>> >My position on "the trolley" problem is that 
>> >the proposed action makes me a murderer,
>> >but something that would happen if I were or 
>> >were not present isn't my fault.  So I don't
>> >kill Not-Been-Evil-Yet Hitler.
>> 
>> If I really wanted to change history, I'd kidnap baby Hitler and
>> bring him up somewhere else and not let him get gassed in WWI.
>
>If I did that then social services might decide,
>quite reasonably, that I wasn't a fit person.
>(Although I cycle regularly.)
>
>They also might ask questions about the haircut and 
>the moustache, i.e. why does he look like Hitler.

Who would?  Who would ever have heard of Hitler?

Okay, just to be on the safe side (are there other time travelers
about?) as he grows up, give him a different haircut and tell him
Errol Flynn he's not, and the mustache looks silly.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#457678

On Saturday, 19 November 2016 23:15:04 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt  wrote:
> In article <0c0e1708-65e6-4831-8cb9-0b7f2dd47242@googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> >On Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:15:03 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt  wrote:
> >> In article <2dbb8524-5871-48bc-8164-3599645a84fb@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> >> >On Saturday, 19 November 2016 18:41:58 UTC, Quadibloc  wrote:
> >> >> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> >>  
> >> >> > Not to mention the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill Hitler," one of
> >> >> > whose elements (not the primary one) is "Oh damn, we were going
> >> >> > to kill Hitler for his crimes against humanity, but we're too
> >> >> > early, he hasn't committed most of them yet, we'll have to come
> >> >> > back later."
> >> >> 
> >> >> Obviously the Doctor is too ethical to get the point... killing an
> >"innocent" 
> >> >> Hitler is a perfectly reasonable thing to do as his innocent victims
> >> >are to be 
> >> >> preferred.
> >> >> 
> >> >> John Savard
> >> >
> >> >My position on "the trolley" problem is that 
> >> >the proposed action makes me a murderer,
> >> >but something that would happen if I were or 
> >> >were not present isn't my fault.  So I don't
> >> >kill Not-Been-Evil-Yet Hitler.
> >> 
> >> If I really wanted to change history, I'd kidnap baby Hitler and
> >> bring him up somewhere else and not let him get gassed in WWI.
> >
> >If I did that then social services might decide,
> >quite reasonably, that I wasn't a fit person.
> >(Although I cycle regularly.)
> >
> >They also might ask questions about the haircut and 
> >the moustache, i.e. why does he look like Hitler.
> 
> Who would?  Who would ever have heard of Hitler?

My time travel adventure (if I'm going) - my time
travel rules.

Having said that, I /was/ thinking that my point - 
my joke - was better made without mentioning Charlie
Chaplin.

(Or Freddie Mercury.) 

> Okay, just to be on the safe side (are there other time travelers
> about?) as he grows up, give him a different haircut and tell him
> Errol Flynn he's not, and the mustache looks silly.

Maybe it comes back, like Harry Potter's scruffy hair
and myopia.

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