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  Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:35 -0700
    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:04 -0700
      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:15 -0700
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:28 -0700
      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-06 17:28 +0000
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:30 -0700
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:46 -0700
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 11:09 -0700
              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-10-11 14:01 -0400
                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 11:33 -0700
                  Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 11:35 -0700
                    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-11 15:35 -0400
                      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 13:31 -0700
                        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 21:19 +0000
                          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 16:15 -0700
                            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-12 15:55 -0700
                              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-13 01:09 +0000
                                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-12 21:37 -0400
                                  Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-10-14 23:13 +0100
                                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-13 07:58 -0700
                              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-13 02:29 -0500
                                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 08:43 -0700
                    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-10-11 19:39 +0000
                      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-11 13:11 -0700
                        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-11 16:47 -0500
                          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-10-11 22:34 +0000
                            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-11 22:49 +0000
                            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-11 19:22 -0400
                          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-12 03:22 +0000
                        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-10-11 20:36 -0700
                    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2016-12-08 00:16 +0000
                  Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 21:17 +0000
                    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-10-11 22:49 +0000
                  Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-11 14:54 -0700
                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 11:33 -0700
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-06 18:41 +0000
              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-06 12:31 -0700
                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-06 20:22 +0000
              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2016-12-08 00:20 +0000
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-06 18:39 +0000
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-06 13:56 -0600
    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-06 19:37 +0000
      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:12 -0700
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 04:49 +0000
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-07 03:50 -0400
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-07 01:52 -0600
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-10-09 23:33 +0100
      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:15 -0700
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:24 -0700
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:39 -0700
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 04:52 +0000
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 04:52 +0000
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 22:09 -0700
              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 05:46 +0000
                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 09:20 -0700
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 04:49 +0000
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 22:08 -0700
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 05:47 +0000
      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-06 17:34 -0500
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 04:53 +0000
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-07 03:47 -0400
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 12:39 +0000

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#453739

On 2016-10-12, Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
> [St. Louis city not part of St. Louis county]
>
>> > I have the feeling there's a historical context behind it: the
>> > city was founded before the hinterlands were organized into
>> > counties.  (San Francisco may be different; it was founded later
>> > than the East Coast cities already mentioned, and it's bounded
>> > on three sides by water.)
>>
>> Certainly the case with St. Louis. Its founding predates the
>> United States. 
>
> In the case of St. Louis, the city actively seceded from the county in the
> 19th Century. There are periodic attempts at rejoining them.

Knoxville is not part of Knox County by government; I don't actually know if
it's counted as part of the square mileage or not.

For a while, under Victor Ashe as mayor, who looks EXACTLY like a Minion
somehow, Knoxville was attempting to annex Knox County, two or three fingers
at a time. That's stopped in recent years.

Dave, antidisestablishmentarianism
-- 
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It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is	all it takes to	make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE	HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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#453753

David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:MdudnXAhY-56qmLKnZ2dnUU7-S-dnZ2d@earthlink.com: 

> On 2016-10-12, Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>> [St. Louis city not part of St. Louis county]
>>
>>> > I have the feeling there's a historical context behind it:
>>> > the city was founded before the hinterlands were organized
>>> > into counties.  (San Francisco may be different; it was
>>> > founded later than the East Coast cities already mentioned,
>>> > and it's bounded on three sides by water.)
>>>
>>> Certainly the case with St. Louis. Its founding predates the
>>> United States. 
>>
>> In the case of St. Louis, the city actively seceded from the
>> county in the 19th Century. There are periodic attempts at
>> rejoining them. 
> 
> Knoxville is not part of Knox County by government; I don't
> actually know if it's counted as part of the square mileage or
> not. 
> 
> For a while, under Victor Ashe as mayor, who looks EXACTLY like
> a Minion somehow, Knoxville was attempting to annex Knox County,
> two or three fingers at a time. That's stopped in recent years.
> 
Omaha had to stop expanding to the west (I think it was) when they 
hit the county line, and the state wouldn't allow a city to be in 
more than one county.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#453665

In article <XnsA69E75D88139Dtaustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>The city of St. Louis isn't in St. Louis county. Or any other county. 
>Only city in the US that's not in a county, IIRC.

YDRC.  None of Virginia's cities are part of any county.

-GAWollman

-- 
Garrett A. Wollman    | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wollman@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers.         | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993

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#453666

On 10/11/2016 12:39 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article <XnsA69E75D88139Dtaustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The city of St. Louis isn't in St. Louis county. Or any other county.
>> Only city in the US that's not in a county, IIRC.
>
> YDRC.  None of Virginia's cities are part of any county.
>
None of Louisiana's cities are in counties.

They are in Parishes.  :)


-- 
Running the rec.arts.TV Channels Watched Survey.
Fall 2016 survey began Sep 01 and will end Nov 30

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#453673

On 2016-10-11, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 10/11/2016 12:39 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The city of St. Louis isn't in St. Louis county. Or any other county.
>>> Only city in the US that's not in a county, IIRC.
>>
>> YDRC.  None of Virginia's cities are part of any county.
>>
> None of Louisiana's cities are in counties.
>
> They are in Parishes.  :)

This is of course what we get for being a potpourri of fifty shades of
gr^H^Hcollections of legal definitions; a lot of corner cases get tested.

Dave, are there any cities without corners on the city limits, come to think of
 it?
-- 
\/David	DeLaney	posting	thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that	grows the flower
It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is	all it takes to	make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE	HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
website on VIC is down,	probably for good - oh well/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

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#453678

In article <vJSdnVtEK7JpwGDKnZ2dnUU7-Tlg4p2d@earthlink.com>,
David DeLaney  <dbd@vic.com> wrote:

>Dave, are there any cities without corners on the city limits, come to think of
> it?

Yes, I'm pretty sure there's at least one with boundaries legally
defined as a circle X miles from some specified point.

-GAWollman

-- 
Garrett A. Wollman    | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wollman@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers.         | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993

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#453680

In article <ntjpd0$gq3$1@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>,
Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
>In article <vJSdnVtEK7JpwGDKnZ2dnUU7-Tlg4p2d@earthlink.com>,
>David DeLaney  <dbd@vic.com> wrote:
>
>>Dave, are there any cities without corners on the city limits, come to think of
>> it?
>
>Yes, I'm pretty sure there's at least one with boundaries legally
>defined as a circle X miles from some specified point.
>
>-GAWollman

That would be "Compassville"
-- 
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What's not in Columbia anymore..

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#453684

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 22:34:08 +0000 (UTC), Garrett Wollman
<wollman@bimajority.org> wrote
in<news:ntjpd0$gq3$1@grapevine.csail.mit.edu> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

> In article <vJSdnVtEK7JpwGDKnZ2dnUU7-Tlg4p2d@earthlink.com>,
> David DeLaney  <dbd@vic.com> wrote:

>> Dave, are there any cities without corners on the city
>> limits, come to think of it?

> Yes, I'm pretty sure there's at least one with boundaries
> legally defined as a circle X miles from some specified
> point.

According to Wikipedia, Plains, Georgia, has a circular
boundary>.  Its area is given as 0.8 sq. mi.; a circle of
radius half a mile has an area of about 0.7854 sq. mi., and
I shouldn’t be surprised if this were the actual figure.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plains,_Georgia>

The Wikipedia article on Twelve-Mile Circle, an
approximately circular arc forming most of the boundary
between Pennsylvania and Delaware, says that many cities in
the South have circular boundaries.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-Mile_Circle>

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#453691

In article <vJSdnVtEK7JpwGDKnZ2dnUU7-Tlg4p2d@earthlink.com>,
David DeLaney  <dbd@vic.com> wrote:
>On 2016-10-11, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 10/11/2016 12:39 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The city of St. Louis isn't in St. Louis county. Or any other county.
>>>> Only city in the US that's not in a county, IIRC.
>
>>> YDRC.  None of Virginia's cities are part of any county.
>>>
>> None of Louisiana's cities are in counties.
>>
>> They are in Parishes.  :)
>
>This is of course what we get for being a potpourri of fifty shades of
>gr^H^Hcollections of legal definitions; a lot of corner cases get tested.
>
>Dave, are there any cities without corners on the city limits, come to think of
> it?

Well, San Francisco has only two corners, to the southeast and
southwest.  The west/north/east boundaries consist of the Pacific
Ocean, the Golden Gate, and San Francisco Bay, and they're rather
rounded.


-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#453693

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 13:11:47 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 10/11/2016 12:39 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>> In article <XnsA69E75D88139Dtaustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The city of St. Louis isn't in St. Louis county. Or any other county.
>>> Only city in the US that's not in a county, IIRC.
>>
>> YDRC.  None of Virginia's cities are part of any county.
>>
>None of Louisiana's cities are in counties.
>
>They are in Parishes.  :)

     Parish the thought.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#459194

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:35:04 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:

> The city of St. Louis isn't in St. Louis county. Or any other county.
> Only city in the US that's not in a county, IIRC.

In Virginia, one of the distinctions between towns and cities is that 
towns are contained within, and subordinate to, counties. Cities, on the 
other hand, are on the same organizational level as counties. They aren't 
considered to be in counties, even if completely surrounded by a county.

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#453671

In article <d51dbb51-563c-4035-9a24-01bfd6f9f51e@googlegroups.com>,
Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 2:01:38 PM UTC-4, William December Starr wrote:
>> In article <XnsA699717FBB242taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> said:
>> 
>> > Behind the Orange Curtain, LA's rich suburb. (LA metro area is
>> > so spread out, we need entire counties to hold the various
>> > stereogypical suburbs.)
>> 
>> I recall an _old_ cartoon, perhaps from the 1950s, in the "New
>> Yorker" or somewhere, depicting a group of astronauts who have
>> just landed on the Moon and are looking at a sign that reads
>> "Los Angeles City Limits."
>
>The five boroughs of New York City are each their own county.
>New York County (Manhattan) is both the smallest and most densely
>populated county in the US.

I don't disbelieve you, but can you give figures?  It would be
interesting to see how closely the City and County of San
Francisco follows behind.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#453679

In article <oEwJ5K.171C@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <d51dbb51-563c-4035-9a24-01bfd6f9f51e@googlegroups.com>,
>Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>The five boroughs of New York City are each their own county.
>>New York County (Manhattan) is both the smallest and most densely
>>populated county in the US.
>
>I don't disbelieve you, but can you give figures?  It would be
>interesting to see how closely the City and County of San
>Francisco follows behind.

From the Census Bureau's 2015 estimates:

	New York, NY (Manhattan)	72,587.0 (per mi^2)
	Kings, NY (Brooklyn)		37,768.8
	Bronx, NY			34,611.7
	Queens, NY			21,505.8
	San Francisco, CA		18,441.8
	Hudson, NJ			14,617.1
	Suffolk, MA			13,357.0
	Philadelphia, PA		11,681.8
	District of Columbua		10,994.0
	Alexandria (ind. city), VA	10,200.5

But when you go by cities, San Francisco is not in the top 10.  (This
is mostly because of a bunch of tiny cities and boroughs in New Jersey
that are less than one square mile each.)

	Guttenberg, NJ			59,759.9
	Union City, NJ			53,914.5
	West New York, NJ		53,656.0
	Hoboken, NJ			42,567.6
	Kaser, NY			29,782.4
	New York, NY (entire city)	28,362.8
	East Newark, NJ			26,041.1
	Cliffside Park, NJ		25,798.4
	Maywood, CA			23,665.8
	Passaic, NJ			22,589.8

The Census Bureau's Web site has become nearly impossible to navigate
lately so I'm not inclined to figure out how far down the list San
Francisco appears, or where it would stand if these small New Jersey
municipalities were filtered out.

-GAWollman

-- 
Garrett A. Wollman    | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wollman@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers.         | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993

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#453675

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 2:33:21 PM UTC-4, Peter Trei wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 2:01:38 PM UTC-4, William December Starr wrote:
> > In article <XnsA699717FBB242taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
> > Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> said:
> > 
> > > Behind the Orange Curtain, LA's rich suburb. (LA metro area is
> > > so spread out, we need entire counties to hold the various
> > > stereogypical suburbs.)
> > 
> > I recall an _old_ cartoon, perhaps from the 1950s, in the "New
> > Yorker" or somewhere, depicting a group of astronauts who have
> > just landed on the Moon and are looking at a sign that reads
> > "Los Angeles City Limits."
> 
> The five boroughs of New York City are each their own county.
> New York County (Manhattan) is both the smallest and most densely
> populated county in the US.

Smallest and most densely populated in NY State.

[quote]

The least extensive {US} county is Kalawao County, Hawaii, with a 
land area of 11.991 square miles (31.058 km2). The least extensive 
county-equivalent is the independent City of Falls Church, Virginia, 
with a land area of 1.999 square miles (5.177 km2).

[/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_(United_States)

[quote]

New York County is the United States' second-smallest county by land 
area (larger only than Kalawao County, Hawaii), and is also the most 
densely populated U.S. county.

[/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan

My sister lives in NY County, but not on Manhattan: she lives on
Roosevelt Island. Take the tram, ye tourists, the view is great.
If the cable snaps, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man will 
save you! (Pete is a Queens kid, ascended to Manhattan, depending
on the writer.)  There are other islands in New York harbor that
edge NY Count's land area upwards, plus a smidgeon of the mainland,
Marble Hill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marble_Hill,_Manhattan

It used to be attached to Manhattan, before canal-builders messed
about with Spuyten Duyvil Creek.  Infill created a land connection 
to the Bronx, but it stayed within NY County/Manhattan borough borders.

Kevin R

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#453654

wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote in news:ntj9dv$q0l$1
@panix3.panix.com:

> In article <XnsA699717FBB242taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> said:
> 
>> Behind the Orange Curtain, LA's rich suburb. (LA metro area is
>> so spread out, we need entire counties to hold the various
>> stereogypical suburbs.)
> 
> I recall an _old_ cartoon, perhaps from the 1950s, in the "New
> Yorker" or somewhere, depicting a group of astronauts who have
> just landed on the Moon and are looking at a sign that reads
> "Los Angeles City Limits."

Entirely plausible. Was there a traffic jam?

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https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#453163

In article <ce7aa876-e2b2-40b3-91ec-13c9a542dae7@googlegroups.com>,
Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-4, Gutless Umbrella
>Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
>> news:e5nfukF1tm4U1@mid.individual.net: 
>> 
>> > In article <XnsA699666A071BBtaustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>> > Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >>news:8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com: 
>> >>
>> >>> If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you
>> >>> can get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100
>> >>> in SF. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>> >>> 
>> >>> (I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>> >>> 
>> >>It's a real pity there won't be anything in there that I am even
>> >>remotely intereted in. Certainly not enough to justify the
>> >>$100/year cost of Prime.
>> >>
>> > 
>> > IMHO the free shipping is (still) the justification.
>> 
>> Only if you're paying more than $100/year on shipping now, which I am 
>> not. A lot of stuff's free shipping anyway, it just takes longer, and 
>> I don't order from Amazon if I'm in a hurry.
>
>I may be mis-remembering, but I think Terry lives in LA (Venice Beach???).
>A big city, anyway.
>
>I'm out in north central MA; while there are some retailers nearby, 
>the nearest large shopping districts with a lot of variety are 45
>mile drives each way, so we're talking several dollars in gas just to get
>there and back, as well as 90 minutes in transit. Add that up over a year, 
>even if I do it only once every couple of weeks.
>
>Unless I need something *now*, or its something I need to inspect before
>purchase, free 2nd day shipping makes quite a bit of sense.
>
>Being out in the boonies also means that boxes left on my doorstep are safe;
>I haven't had a theft from there, ever.
>
>pt

Yeah, me either.  Though it does get to be an adventure every time UPS
lays on a new truck driver as my street layout makes no logical sense
(partly due to houses being built over one segement of it 50 years ago.)
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#453171

On 10/6/2016 11:41 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <ce7aa876-e2b2-40b3-91ec-13c9a542dae7@googlegroups.com>,
> Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-4, Gutless Umbrella
>> Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>> ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
>>> news:e5nfukF1tm4U1@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsA699666A071BBtaustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>>>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you
>>>>>> can get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100
>>>>>> in SF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's a real pity there won't be anything in there that I am even
>>>>> remotely intereted in. Certainly not enough to justify the
>>>>> $100/year cost of Prime.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMHO the free shipping is (still) the justification.
>>>
>>> Only if you're paying more than $100/year on shipping now, which I am
>>> not. A lot of stuff's free shipping anyway, it just takes longer, and
>>> I don't order from Amazon if I'm in a hurry.
>>
>> I may be mis-remembering, but I think Terry lives in LA (Venice Beach???).
>> A big city, anyway.
>>
>> I'm out in north central MA; while there are some retailers nearby,
>> the nearest large shopping districts with a lot of variety are 45
>> mile drives each way, so we're talking several dollars in gas just to get
>> there and back, as well as 90 minutes in transit. Add that up over a year,
>> even if I do it only once every couple of weeks.
>>
>> Unless I need something *now*, or its something I need to inspect before
>> purchase, free 2nd day shipping makes quite a bit of sense.
>>
>> Being out in the boonies also means that boxes left on my doorstep are safe;
>> I haven't had a theft from there, ever.
>>
>> pt
>
> Yeah, me either.  Though it does get to be an adventure every time UPS
> lays on a new truck driver as my street layout makes no logical sense
> (partly due to houses being built over one segement of it 50 years ago.)
>
People in the 60s wanted drive-thru homes?

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#453180

In article <nt68pr$ngn$1@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler  <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 10/6/2016 11:41 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <ce7aa876-e2b2-40b3-91ec-13c9a542dae7@googlegroups.com>,
>> Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-4, Gutless Umbrella
>>> Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>>> ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
>>>> news:e5nfukF1tm4U1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsA699666A071BBtaustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>>>>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you
>>>>>>> can get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100
>>>>>>> in SF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a real pity there won't be anything in there that I am even
>>>>>> remotely intereted in. Certainly not enough to justify the
>>>>>> $100/year cost of Prime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO the free shipping is (still) the justification.
>>>>
>>>> Only if you're paying more than $100/year on shipping now, which I am
>>>> not. A lot of stuff's free shipping anyway, it just takes longer, and
>>>> I don't order from Amazon if I'm in a hurry.
>>>
>>> I may be mis-remembering, but I think Terry lives in LA (Venice Beach???).
>>> A big city, anyway.
>>>
>>> I'm out in north central MA; while there are some retailers nearby,
>>> the nearest large shopping districts with a lot of variety are 45
>>> mile drives each way, so we're talking several dollars in gas just to get
>>> there and back, as well as 90 minutes in transit. Add that up over a year,
>>> even if I do it only once every couple of weeks.
>>>
>>> Unless I need something *now*, or its something I need to inspect before
>>> purchase, free 2nd day shipping makes quite a bit of sense.
>>>
>>> Being out in the boonies also means that boxes left on my doorstep are safe;
>>> I haven't had a theft from there, ever.
>>>
>>> pt
>>
>> Yeah, me either.  Though it does get to be an adventure every time UPS
>> lays on a new truck driver as my street layout makes no logical sense
>> (partly due to houses being built over one segement of it 50 years ago.)
>>
>People in the 60s wanted drive-thru homes?
>

It was all the rage, along with paper dresses and love beads.
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#459195

On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 18:41:07 +0000, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

> In article <ce7aa876-e2b2-40b3-91ec-13c9a542dae7@googlegroups.com>,
> Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-4, Gutless Umbrella
>>Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>> ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
>>> news:e5nfukF1tm4U1@mid.individual.net:
>>> 
>>> > In article <XnsA699666A071BBtaustingmail@69.16.179.43>, Gutless
>>> > Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> >>news:8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com:
>>> >>
>>> >>> If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you can
>>> >>> get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100 in SF.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> (I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>>> >>> 
>>> >>It's a real pity there won't be anything in there that I am even
>>> >>remotely intereted in. Certainly not enough to justify the $100/year
>>> >>cost of Prime.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > IMHO the free shipping is (still) the justification.
>>> 
>>> Only if you're paying more than $100/year on shipping now, which I am
>>> not. A lot of stuff's free shipping anyway, it just takes longer, and
>>> I don't order from Amazon if I'm in a hurry.
>>
>>I may be mis-remembering, but I think Terry lives in LA (Venice
>>Beach???). A big city, anyway.
>>
>>I'm out in north central MA; while there are some retailers nearby,
>>the nearest large shopping districts with a lot of variety are 45 mile
>>drives each way, so we're talking several dollars in gas just to get
>>there and back, as well as 90 minutes in transit. Add that up over a
>>year, even if I do it only once every couple of weeks.
>>
>>Unless I need something *now*, or its something I need to inspect before
>>purchase, free 2nd day shipping makes quite a bit of sense.
>>
>>Being out in the boonies also means that boxes left on my doorstep are
>>safe;
>>I haven't had a theft from there, ever.
>>
>>pt
> 
> Yeah, me either.  Though it does get to be an adventure every time UPS
> lays on a new truck driver as my street layout makes no logical sense
> (partly due to houses being built over one segement of it 50 years ago.)

I live on a street that was split into two segments when an Interstate 
highway was built, back in the 1960s. I occasionally have problems with 
delivery people or taxi drivers being unable to find my house, because 
they aren't aware that there is more of the street on the other side of 
the Interstate.

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#453162

In article <XnsA6996AD224DDAtaustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
>news:e5nfukF1tm4U1@mid.individual.net: 
>
>> In article <XnsA699666A071BBtaustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com: 
>>>
>>>> If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you
>>>> can get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100
>>>> in SF. 
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>>> 
>>>> (I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>>>> 
>>>It's a real pity there won't be anything in there that I am even
>>>remotely intereted in. Certainly not enough to justify the
>>>$100/year cost of Prime.
>>>
>> 
>> IMHO the free shipping is (still) the justification.
>
>Only if you're paying more than $100/year on shipping now, which I am 
>not. A lot of stuff's free shipping anyway, it just takes longer, and 
>I don't order from Amazon if I'm in a hurry.
>

Oh sure, it's gonna completely depend on your buying patterns.

Nowdays, I use amazon rather than Home Depot, Best Buy or even the
grocery store if it's not urgent.

OTOH, I don't use the Prime video or music stuff at all.
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