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| Started by | alal65536@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2016-09-20 04:13 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-12-05 08:19 -0800 |
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What if life were like fiction? alal65536@gmail.com - 2016-09-20 04:13 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 12:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-20 07:41 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 19:24 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-20 19:55 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-20 13:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-21 15:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-21 17:17 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-24 10:28 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? alal65536@gmail.com - 2016-09-20 09:02 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-20 10:39 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 19:25 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-21 11:25 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-09-24 13:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 16:31 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-09-24 20:33 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-25 01:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 19:54 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-09-25 06:25 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-25 03:40 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-09-25 23:10 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-26 00:01 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-25 18:25 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-26 14:16 +0300
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 10:06 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-26 15:34 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:33 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-26 20:00 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-27 06:02 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-27 13:19 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 12:25 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 18:08 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 19:13 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-27 09:50 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-27 14:07 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-27 08:21 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-27 14:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-27 07:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 10:43 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-27 07:47 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 12:57 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 12:45 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 14:21 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-27 18:02 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-26 12:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 16:10 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-09-26 04:02 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2016-09-27 07:31 +0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-26 19:38 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-26 18:20 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-27 00:30 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-26 23:16 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-27 12:44 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 10:36 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-27 14:54 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-27 17:31 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-28 00:51 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-28 03:33 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-28 12:00 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-28 14:15 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-29 01:03 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-29 16:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-29 16:31 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-29 19:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 00:17 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-29 23:01 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 04:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:16 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 16:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 14:04 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 23:48 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 21:44 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 05:03 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 01:17 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 23:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 04:35 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 05:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 02:20 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 13:42 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-02 11:50 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 20:07 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 20:44 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-10-02 22:56 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 23:50 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 19:20 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-02 15:44 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 23:51 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-03 11:23 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-03 20:52 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-02 08:56 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 18:59 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 20:05 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:15 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-30 12:12 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:35 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 03:48 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 01:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 05:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-09-29 22:59 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 06:05 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 03:51 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-30 07:13 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 16:12 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:37 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-01 00:14 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 05:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:49 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-09-30 15:20 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:36 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:53 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:12 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:42 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-09-30 18:00 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 11:02 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:26 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 16:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 00:03 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 23:53 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 08:05 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-10-02 01:57 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:52 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 14:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 14:09 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 08:23 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-09-30 18:01 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 12:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:24 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-09-30 21:47 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 00:02 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-01 16:18 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-02 02:33 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:58 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 12:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-01 00:19 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 01:42 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-01 06:11 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 02:30 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 06:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 14:50 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 19:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 16:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 15:45 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 16:16 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 18:21 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 22:21 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 01:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-01 19:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-02 01:36 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 19:06 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-05 15:55 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-05 13:06 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-05 16:29 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-05 18:55 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:51 -0300
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-08 13:49 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-08 14:55 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-08 18:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-09 04:31 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-09 07:16 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 10:41 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-09 09:28 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-09 20:08 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 15:24 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-09 15:34 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-09 17:10 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-10 01:15 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-10 12:42 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-10 11:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-10 11:27 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 11:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 00:31 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2016-12-03 18:06 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-03 18:43 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2016-12-03 20:37 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-03 13:28 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 22:29 +0200
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-04 22:30 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-12-03 12:18 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 00:30 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-10-09 23:06 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-10 07:08 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:50 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-10 08:14 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 06:01 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 02:54 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 06:31 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:22 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-30 14:14 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 19:04 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 00:09 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 04:04 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:56 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 09:38 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 16:01 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 19:56 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 21:52 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 23:57 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 00:52 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 00:57 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-01 12:50 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-10-11 22:48 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-12 01:03 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-01 08:49 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 14:12 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-01 11:45 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 14:56 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-01 11:26 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-01 11:44 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 15:49 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 22:22 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-02 10:01 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 14:25 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 20:46 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2016-10-02 15:12 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-28 12:50 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-09-28 14:06 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-28 11:56 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-28 09:31 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 09:45 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-28 11:53 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 11:57 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-28 17:51 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-09-28 19:02 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-28 19:51 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 21:52 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-30 09:06 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-29 17:34 +0300
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-28 11:43 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 01:52 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 10:02 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-27 11:24 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Madawc Williams <madawcnow@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 09:19 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-04 17:24 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-12-04 10:15 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-05 10:31 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-12-04 18:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-12-04 13:42 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 18:20 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-05 00:36 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-04 22:43 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-05 12:18 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-04 22:34 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-12-04 22:14 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-12-05 09:22 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-05 00:03 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-05 10:33 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-05 11:20 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-12-05 19:31 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-05 14:49 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-05 14:53 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-05 12:35 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-05 10:37 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2016-12-05 08:19 -0800
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2016-12-04 22:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <eakccaFgbohU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #458852 |
Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote: >On 2016-10-10, Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I was once crossing Central Park on foot, and an woman visitor >> actually asked me "How do I get to Carnegie Hall?" >> >> With extreme difficulty, I held back temptation and gave her directions. > >I don't get it; what temptation? It doesn't seem like an unreasonable >request for directions at that location. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/nyregion/29fyi.html -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-03 12:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b043e9b7-5151-4223-98c3-9b33b9d9cd98@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #453589 |
On Monday, 10 October 2016 19:48:57 UTC+1, Peter Trei wrote: > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:27:52 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote: > > On Sunday, 9 October 2016 23:34:38 UTC+1, Kevrob wrote: > > > The NYC cliche is that those who grow up in the 5 boroughs often have > > > never visited key landmarks. > > > > Helene Hanff - Wikipedia says - was born in Philadelphia, > > but once in New York City she did a good job of ignoring > > the sights - until she decided to become a tourist and to > > make a book out of it, _Apple of My Eye_, which I enjoyed. > > I think I get name checked :-) (surname anyway...) > > I was once crossing Central Park on foot, and an woman visitor > actually asked me "How do I get to Carnegie Hall?" > > With extreme difficulty, I held back temptation and gave her directions. On reflection, the city may be hiring imitation tourists to act in this role, the park being also a performance space. I don't think the family are, but, if you want sponsored for a day for a good cause, try me.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 00:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEuxF3.362@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #453587 |
In article <d65ada10-683e-41a0-9d6c-26e01eecad1a@googlegroups.com>, Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >On Sunday, 9 October 2016 23:34:38 UTC+1, Kevrob wrote: >> The NYC cliche is that those who grow up in the 5 boroughs often have >> never visited key landmarks. > >Helene Hanff - Wikipedia says - was born in Philadelphia, >but once in New York City she did a good job of ignoring >the sights - until she decided to become a tourist and to >make a book out of it, _Apple of My Eye_, which I enjoyed. >I think I get name checked :-) (surname anyway...) That is the correct spelling of her name. She's better known, of course, for _84 Charing Cross Road_ and its sequels. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 23:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <0telvb18s2tajp5kiilcna0dpuafdb1ft8@jwbrown.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #453464 |
On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 10:41:21 -0500, Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in >news:oErJ8x.1M1z@kithrup.com: > >> In article <4baa80d8-6bba-4aef-99e7-adaeccb3e088@googlegroups.com>, >> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >>>On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 4:49:10 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie >>>wrote: >>>> On Thursday, 6 October 2016 03:52:56 UTC+1, Joy Beeson wrote: >>>> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 19:06:03 -0000 (UTC), nance@math.ohio-state.edu >>>> > (Anthony Nance) wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > You know, you'd reduce your commute time considerably in one >>>> > > direction with a well-placed fire pole. >>>> > >>>> > But walking down stairs is really good for the quads. Sometimes I >>>> > walk a mile just so I can walk down a staircase at the turn-around >>>> > point. >>>> >>>> I think that walking down stairs isn't an unmixed >>>> blessing. But do we hear about people injured going >>>> down stairs... well, I suppose we do. And the pole >>>> is hardly safe. >>> >>>I know someone in his mid-60s, who due to the type of accumulated >>>damage to one of his knees/legs or tendon or ligament in his leg, >>>finds it difficult to walk downstairs. He's able to walk UP stairs >>>faster. >> >> Yes, for some reason going downstairs is (under some >> circumstances) harder than going up. One of the muscles in my >> left knee is currently unhappy with me. I have to be careful >> climbing into bed, and while I can (almost always) go upstairs >> without hurting, downstairs is a matter of putting my left foot >> down first and bringing the right to join it, so my left knee >> doesn't have to bear my weight. >> >> This has happened before and gone away again, so I hope it will >> do so again when it gets around to it. >> >> Oh yes, and I cling to the stair-rail all the way down. >> >>>He does a lot of walking, and was able to lose considerable >>>weight from that, and watching his diet. On occasions when he and >>>I have descended long staircases together, such as going from street >>>level to a subway platform in Manhattan, I walk behind him, to shield >>>him from straphangers in a hurry who would run over him. When he was >>>using a cane, you'd think even New Yorkers would get a clue.* >> >> But isn't it one of the distinguishing marks of New Yorkers that >> they never look up at any of the sights and never, ever, look at >> another person? > >I'm a New Yorker in exile. Not making eye contact as much as >out-of-towners is certainly true - you have so many people >'in your face' walking around (lowest car ownership in the >country) or on the subway that its simple politeness. Not >looking up - no more that the native inhabitants of any >other city. How many times has Dorothy gone out of her way to >cross the Golden Gate, visit Alcatraz, or Telegraph Hill, or >drive down Lombard Street? Has she been to the Disney Family >Museum? > >But as for 'looking at another person' - we sure as hell *do* do >that. We read crowds very well, and anticipate how the other >pedestrians are moving, where gaps will form, and slide through >them. Out of towners walking in straight lines are like rocks >in a stream, breaking the flow. I experienced this visiting NY City in 2007, trying to walk the 12 blocks along 8th Avenue from Penn Station to my hotel (then the Milford, now Row NYC) with a trolley case at about five pm. I don't think I made many friends. -- Jerry Brown A cat may look at a king (but probably won't bother)
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 07:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <cpo7esmk0s1o$.xx95x41tef06$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #453464 |
On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 10:41:21 -0500, Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote in<news:XnsA69C76E90780Dmelchizedek@216.166.97.131> in rec.arts.sf.written: [...] > But as for 'looking at another person' - we sure as hell > *do* do that. We read crowds very well, and anticipate > how the other pedestrians are moving, where gaps will > form, and slide through them. [...] Never been to New York, but I learned that in the crowded hallways of junior high. If you’re small, you pretty nearly have to learn it. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 13:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5a37f330-be81-4c48-bc2b-a5d130bad7d9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #453563 |
On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 4:08:13 AM UTC-7, Brian M. Scott wrote: > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 10:41:21 -0500, Cryptoengineer > <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote > in<news:XnsA69C76E90780Dmelchizedek@216.166.97.131> in > rec.arts.sf.written: > > [...] > > > But as for 'looking at another person' - we sure as hell > > *do* do that. We read crowds very well, and anticipate > > how the other pedestrians are moving, where gaps will > > form, and slide through them. [...] > > Never been to New York, but I learned that in the crowded > hallways of junior high. If you’re small, you pretty > nearly have to learn it. (raises hand) Yeah, I was short until my last year of High School and learned that skill early on as well. Mark L. Fergerson
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 08:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <EdWdncqpIMvUCWbKnZ2dnUU7-KmdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #453410 |
On 2016-10-08, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 4:49:10 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote: >> I think that walking down stairs isn't an unmixed >> blessing. But do we hear about people injured going >> down stairs... well, I suppose we do. And the pole >> is hardly safe. > > I know someone in his mid-60s, who due to the type of accumulated > damage to one of his knees/legs or tendon or ligament in his leg, > finds it difficult to walk downstairs. He's able to walk UP stairs > faster. He does a lot of walking, and was able to lose considerable > weight from that, and watching his diet. On occasions when he and > I have descended long staircases together, such as going from street > level to a subway platform in Manhattan, I walk behind him, to shield > him from straphangers in a hurry who would run over him. When he was > using a cane, you'd think even New Yorkers would get a clue.* I go down stairs backwards now, due to toe pain/bending and ankle not-bending issues. It looks weird but once you've figured it out it's nearly as fast as frontwards. (Also, this way if I fall, I'll fall onto the stairs going UP for not nearly as much injury.) Dave, ObSF: The Great Brain series -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> website on VIC is down, probably for good - oh well/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 06:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oECu25.1wxM@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452521 |
In article <F9ydnaHdrKP32nLKnZ2dnUU7-IOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, David DeLaney <dbd@vic.com> wrote: >On 2016-09-30, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >> Some zip codes cover more than one town, and some companies want to >> use the name of the municipality the customer wants to see on the >> label. > >And sometimes people live in one town, or think they do, but are served by >the post office in the next town/other division over, so to the USPS their >address is in the other town. Fairly common with suburbs of large cities and >post offices right near the edge... There was a time when (as frequently happens in California) an area code got divided into two area codes, and people took an annoyingly long time to get used to it. There was a time when area code 415 included the entire SF Bay Area. Then it was 415 for San Francisco and the Peninsula, and 510 for the East Bay. Then 510 split again, and we started getting calls for a savings and loan company; the customers were still in 510, but the savings and loan was a few miles away, in (IIRC) 707. So the people who wanted to know how their loan was coming along would think they were dialing the S&L, without using an area code; they'd get a number at the University of California at Berkeley, which was reserved for the department secretary's modem to log into UNIX with. That phone was NEVER supposed to ring! It took us a couple of months to figure out what area code the S&L was in; after that whenever that phone rang, someone would answer it: "Institute of Urban and Regional Development," and they would ask about their loan, and we would say "The S&L is now in area code 707. You have to dial 1-707 before you dial 642-xxxx." Took us more months to convince them all. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 02:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <059603ca-8f0f-40b9-a0c1-d8bdb214aa3a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452521 |
On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 10:19:44 PM UTC-7, David DeLaney wrote: > On 2016-09-30, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > > Some zip codes cover more than one town, and some companies want to > > use the name of the municipality the customer wants to see on the > > label. > > And sometimes people live in one town, or think they do, but are served by > the post office in the next town/other division over, so to the USPS their > address is in the other town. Fairly common with suburbs of large cities and > post offices right near the edge... > > Dave, which is to say I usually encounter it a couple times a shift My youngest stepdaughter lives in the thriving metrop^H^H^one-horse town of Maricopa, AZ. There have been long-running disputes about the town boundaries, plus the town kept spreading like an amoeba, surrounding bits of the county and incorporating them. This is what the USPS would like you to believe the zip code arrangement is: https://www.zip-codes.com/city/AZ-MARICOPA.asp In reality it's more like this: http://www.zipmap.net/Arizona/Pinal_County/Maricopa.htm ...but even that's out of date. For several few-block neighborhoods, including my stepdaughter's, the USPS says there's no zip code assigned at all. So when she and her husband decided to buy a house there, they used one zip code to set up their mortgage correspondence, and the other for their utilities. For her, just receiving a piece of mail is a minor miracle. Mark L. Fergerson
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 06:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7l3xankl99jq$.1b3rdqixmxxrf$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #452521 |
On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 00:19:38 -0500, David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in<news:F9ydnaHdrKP32nLKnZ2dnUU7-IOdnZ2d@earthlink.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > On 2016-09-30, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >> Some zip codes cover more than one town, and some >> companies want to use the name of the municipality the >> customer wants to see on the label. > And sometimes people live in one town, or think they do, > but are served by the post office in the next town/other > division over, so to the USPS their address is in the > other town. Fairly common with suburbs of large cities > and post offices right near the edge... Yep. When I first came to Cleveland I lived in an apartment building on Superior just east of the northern end of Coventry. It was in East Cleveland, and my city income tax went to East Cleveland, but my ZIP code was the Cleveland Heights ZIP code, and my mail came through the Cleveland Heights post office. If I remember correctly, the route came up Coventry, then went east on Superior and back into Cleveland Heights. It was a more efficient arrangement than going strictly by the town boundaries. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 19:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEC0HD.5nE@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452435 |
In article <ibvsubdbpqmkbs0q2933nlacmh27a0eb24@4ax.com>, Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> >wrote: > >>Californians will give you their zip code and the name of their >>town, and be surprised when you ask "State?" > >In almost all cases the zip code is enough to determine the state. It >is slightly surprising when 21st century data entry systems don't take >advantage of that. If the ZIP code begins with 9, it's definitely West Coast. California gets 900xx through somewhere in 980xx, and Oregon/ Washington/Alaska get the rest of the 9s. But yes, if you live in Caifornia you can make an educated guess about what part of California a town is in, even if you never heard of it before. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 14:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nsmkjf$u8r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #452435 |
On 9/30/2016 8:23 AM, Bill Dugan wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> > wrote: > >> Californians will give you their zip code and the name of their >> town, and be surprised when you ask "State?" > > In almost all cases the zip code is enough to determine the state. It > is slightly surprising when 21st century data entry systems don't take > advantage of that. > Some do. -- Running the rec.arts.TV Channels Watched Survey. Fall 2016 survey began Sep 01; still accepting responses for Summer 2016
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| From | nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 19:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nt3is8$9lv$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #452491 |
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: > On 9/30/2016 8:23 AM, Bill Dugan wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Californians will give you their zip code and the name of their >>> town, and be surprised when you ask "State?" >> >> In almost all cases the zip code is enough to determine the state. It >> is slightly surprising when 21st century data entry systems don't take >> advantage of that. >> > Some do. Here's a very interesting (at least, to me) article called "An address for every place in the world, using just three words". The article details an effort to address(!) the issue of "poor addressing" worldwide http://qz.com/561727/an-address-for-every-place-in-the-world-using-just-three-words/ or if tinyurl is better: http://tinyurl.com/zsxdwag Tony
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 00:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEAJ4n.uCs@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452386 |
In article <5v6rub50069d3m3flhdipkqjut82djikef@4ax.com>, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote: > > I know that I did not think there was a significant difference >between English as spoken in British Columbia and Washington state. I >was disabused by a few conversations. It was not much, but it was >enough in at least two cases that I could not understand the speaker, >only know that he was speaking English. There was a television series some years ago, "The Story of English," hosted by newsman Robert MacNeil. It contained a scene in which MacNeil, standing on the US/Canada border at Niagara Falls, is talking about different subdialects of English and says, "This building over here (points) is called a house [US pronounciation], but that one (pointing across the border) is called a house [Canadian pronunciation]". > > I found that there were three factors that could cause trouble: >fast speaking, drawl, and background noise. Oh, yes. One of the things I learned, studying linguistics back in the day, is that human languages are about seventy percent redundant. James Burke's series "The Real Thing" had a scene showing two people speaking while a pneumatic drill is operating, cutting out seventy percent of what they say, and the listener (if s/he is used to standard BBC prununciation) can follow them easily. But I was once taken to a pub in Glasgow, and there was a lot of ambient noise AND they were all speaking Glaswegian, and I couldn't understand a word. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 04:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1aouiwnkh147s.qin50ie1t24k$.dlg@40tude.net> |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:09:59 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oEAJ4n.uCs@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: [...] > There was a television series some years ago, "The Story > of English," hosted by newsman Robert MacNeil. It > contained a scene in which MacNeil, standing on the > US/Canada border at Niagara Falls, is talking about > different subdialects of English and says, "This > building over here (points) is called a house [US > pronounciation], but that one (pointing across the > border) is called a house [Canadian pronunciation]". I used to know a topologist who told me that his young daughter once asked him, ‘Daddy, when I go up a hill, do I [klaIm] it, or [kl@Im] it, or do I [kla:m] it?’ He taught in Canada but had close southern relatives with whom she had spent a lot of time. [...] > One of the things I learned, studying linguistics back in > the day, is that human languages are about seventy > percent redundant. [...] Which is why the Speedtalk in Heinlein’s novella ‘Gulf’ couldn’t actually work: it had far too little redundancy. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 12:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEBIMx.15sy@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452426 |
In article <1aouiwnkh147s.qin50ie1t24k$.dlg@40tude.net>, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:09:59 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt ><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oEAJ4n.uCs@kithrup.com> >in rec.arts.sf.written: > >[...] > >> There was a television series some years ago, "The Story >> of English," hosted by newsman Robert MacNeil. It >> contained a scene in which MacNeil, standing on the >> US/Canada border at Niagara Falls, is talking about >> different subdialects of English and says, "This >> building over here (points) is called a house [US >> pronounciation], but that one (pointing across the >> border) is called a house [Canadian pronunciation]". > >I used to know a topologist who told me that his young >daughter once asked him, ‘Daddy, when I go up a hill, do I >[klaIm] it, or [kl@Im] it, or do I [kla:m] it?’ He taught >in Canada but had close southern relatives with whom she >had spent a lot of time. > >[...] > >> One of the things I learned, studying linguistics back in >> the day, is that human languages are about seventy >> percent redundant. [...] > >Which is why the Speedtalk in Heinlein’s novella ‘Gulf’ >couldn’t actually work: it had far too little redundancy. Also, I don't think most people who grew up using some natural language, with a selected set of phonemes, could get used to using every possible sound the mouth can make. (Did Speedtalk use tongue-clicks too??) -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 09:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1837m3avtbx5p$.1ntq6rle8lu1q.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #452429 |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:56:57 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oEBIMx.15sy@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > In article <1aouiwnkh147s.qin50ie1t24k$.dlg@40tude.net>, > Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >>On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:09:59 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt >><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oEAJ4n.uCs@kithrup.com> >>in rec.arts.sf.written: [...] >>> One of the things I learned, studying linguistics back in >>> the day, is that human languages are about seventy >>> percent redundant. [...] >> Which is why the Speedtalk in Heinlein's novella 'Gulf' >> couldn't actually work: it had far too little >> redundancy. > Also, I don't think most people who grew up using some > natural language, with a selected set of phonemes, could > get used to using every possible sound the mouth can > make. At least for story purposes I think that we can assume that this would not have been an insurmountable problem for the exceptionally gifted individuals involved. > (Did Speedtalk use tongue-clicks too??) It’s been a long time since I last read the story, but I don’t think that we know. We got just one very short example of it, when Joe tries to reproduce something that he overheard. If I remember correctly, it was approximated by (ASCII) IPA [ipbIt], and there was an implication that this transcription might have been insufficiently precise: it wasn’t understood until he made a special effort to reproduce the original intonations as closely as he could remember them. But I don’t think that we were given any other indication of the phonology. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | David Harmon <source@netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 16:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hvKdnZcQVJlDc3PKnZ2dnUU7-YudnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #452353 |
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:15:44 -0700 in rec.arts.sf.written, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote, > It is the sort of thing that people can easily miss. Do you >*normally* consider how other people will pronounce something? Yes obviously, if pronouncing that something is a big part of what you hiring them for.
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| From | Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 19:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA693D515AD335melchizedek@216.166.97.131> |
| In reply to | #452499 |
David Harmon <source@netcom.com> wrote in news:hvKdnZcQVJlDc3PKnZ2dnUU7-
YudnZ2d@earthlink.com:
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:15:44 -0700 in rec.arts.sf.written, Gene
> Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote,
>> It is the sort of thing that people can easily miss. Do you
>>*normally* consider how other people will pronounce something?
>
> Yes obviously, if pronouncing that something is a big part of what you
> hiring them for.
That requires being (1) Aware that there are alternatives ('How many
ways can you pronounce 'Houston'?, and (2) Aware that not everyone
is aware of that fact.
pt
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 21:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1198964dj0nsr.r7a92uszihxy$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #452504 |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:56:37 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<treifamily@gmail.com> wrote
in<news:XnsA693D515AD335melchizedek@216.166.97.131> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
> David Harmon <source@netcom.com> wrote in
> news:hvKdnZcQVJlDc3PKnZ2dnUU7- YudnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:15:44 -0700 in
>> rec.arts.sf.written, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>> wrote,
>>> It is the sort of thing that people can easily miss.
>>> Do you *normally* consider how other people will
>>> pronounce something?
>> Yes obviously, if pronouncing that something is a big
>> part of what you hiring them for.
> That requires being (1) Aware that there are alternatives
> ('How many ways can you pronounce 'Houston'?,
I’ve encountered three in surnames (hew, hoo, how).
> and (2) Aware that not everyone is aware of that fact.
And it’s easy not to be aware of some of the potential
problems. A lot of people don’t know that it’s Wi-sconsin,
not Wis-consin, for instance.
Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.
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