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  Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:35 -0700
    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:04 -0700
      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:15 -0700
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:28 -0700
      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-06 17:28 +0000
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:30 -0700
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:46 -0700
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 11:09 -0700
              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-10-11 14:01 -0400
                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 11:33 -0700
                  Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 11:35 -0700
                    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-11 15:35 -0400
                      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 13:31 -0700
                        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 21:19 +0000
                          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 16:15 -0700
                            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-12 15:55 -0700
                              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-13 01:09 +0000
                                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-12 21:37 -0400
                                  Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-10-14 23:13 +0100
                                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-13 07:58 -0700
                              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-13 02:29 -0500
                                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 08:43 -0700
                    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-10-11 19:39 +0000
                      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-11 13:11 -0700
                        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-11 16:47 -0500
                          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-10-11 22:34 +0000
                            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-11 22:49 +0000
                            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-11 19:22 -0400
                          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-12 03:22 +0000
                        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-10-11 20:36 -0700
                    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2016-12-08 00:16 +0000
                  Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 21:17 +0000
                    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-10-11 22:49 +0000
                  Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-11 14:54 -0700
                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 11:33 -0700
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-06 18:41 +0000
              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-06 12:31 -0700
                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-06 20:22 +0000
              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2016-12-08 00:20 +0000
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-06 18:39 +0000
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-06 13:56 -0600
    Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-06 19:37 +0000
      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:12 -0700
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 04:49 +0000
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-07 03:50 -0400
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-07 01:52 -0600
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-10-09 23:33 +0100
      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:15 -0700
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:24 -0700
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:39 -0700
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 04:52 +0000
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 04:52 +0000
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 22:09 -0700
              Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 05:46 +0000
                Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 09:20 -0700
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 04:49 +0000
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 22:08 -0700
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 05:47 +0000
      Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-06 17:34 -0500
        Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 04:53 +0000
          Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-07 03:47 -0400
            Re: Amazon Prime members can get free ebooks, including SF. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 12:39 +0000

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#453175

On 10/6/2016 11:28 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <XnsA699666A071BBtaustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you can
>>> get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100 in SF.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>>
>>> (I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>>>
>> It's a real pity there won't be anything in there that I am even
>> remotely intereted in. Certainly not enough to justify the $100/year
>> cost of Prime.
>>
>
> IMHO the free shipping is (still) the justification.
>

...I get free shipping on my Amazon orders anyway, just by making them 
large enough.  Amazon Prime Canada is a terrible deal.

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#453173

In article <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>,
Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you can get get
>several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100 in SF.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>
>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)

I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I order
enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books when I can
afford them), and somehow they decided to reward me with Prime.

But I don't have an e-book reader.

Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load an
e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#453177

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 3:45:04 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>,
> Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
> >If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you can get get
> >several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100 in SF.
> >
> >https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
> >
> >(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
> 
> I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I order
> enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books when I can
> afford them), and somehow they decided to reward me with Prime.
> 
> But I don't have an e-book reader.
> 
> Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load an
> e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.

I can't remember what OS Hal has you on. There are free Kindle apps for
Windows and iOS, but Linux is a problem.

On Linux, you could read your Kindle books in a browser: 
https://www.amazon.com/cloudreader

I know you're not interested in getting a tablet, which is the easiest way.

pt

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#453243

In article <20471eae-2266-4d47-8526-d27c7f3d2077@googlegroups.com>,
Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 3:45:04 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

>> I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I order
>> enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books when I can
>> afford them), and somehow they decided to reward me with Prime.
>> 
>> But I don't have an e-book reader.
>> 
>> Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load an
>> e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
>
>I can't remember what OS Hal has you on. There are free Kindle apps for
>Windows and iOS, but Linux is a problem.

My PC is running Windows 7.  I also have a Raspberry Pi running
Raspbian (a modified Debian Linux), but I don't know whether it
would read e-books.
>
>On Linux, you could read your Kindle books in a browser: 
>https://www.amazon.com/cloudreader

I'm not going to get anything on Kindle.  They have demonstrated
their policy that anything they put out belongs to them and can
be taken away at any time.
>
>I know you're not interested in getting a tablet, which is the easiest way.

I strongly doubt that I could read anything on a tablet anyway;
my eyes aren't getting any younger.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#453265

On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04:49:01 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt
<djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oEnupp.L5E@kithrup.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:

> In article <20471eae-2266-4d47-8526-d27c7f3d2077@googlegroups.com>,
> Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

>> I can't remember what OS Hal has you on. There are free
>> Kindle apps for Windows and iOS, but Linux is a
>> problem.

> My PC is running Windows 7.  

The free Kindle app (reader and library) runs fine on
Windows 7; that’s what I have.  The reader is perfectly
usable, but I don’t much care for it, so if I’m reading at
the computer[*] I use Calibre.  This requires loading the
books into Calibre, which is very easy once Calibre is
properly set up; you would need Hal’s help installing
Apprentice Alf’s DRM-breaking tools, but if I can do it, I
have no doubt that he can.

[*] I usually read in bed on a Kindle tablet.  In winter,
when the bike is on the trainer, I often use an old Nook
reader, since I don’t really care what happens to it;
Calibre handles the format conversion for me.

[...]

> I'm not going to get anything on Kindle.  They have
> demonstrated their policy that anything they put out
> belongs to them and can be taken away at any time.

No, it can’t -- if you’ve added it to your Calibre library.
Amazon has no access to that copy.

[...]

> I strongly doubt that I could read anything on a tablet
> anyway; my eyes aren't getting any younger.

Neither are mine.  The size is adjustable.

I am virtually certain that you will ignore these facts,
but facts they are.

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#453266

On 10/6/2016 10:49 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

> I'm not going to get anything on Kindle.  They have demonstrated
> their policy that anything they put out belongs to them and can
> be taken away at any time.

Only if you synch the Kindle.  There's no good reason to do that.

>>
>> I know you're not interested in getting a tablet, which is the easiest way.
>
> I strongly doubt that I could read anything on a tablet anyway;
> my eyes aren't getting any younger.
>

They are actually easier to read than a real book.

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#453533

On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04:49:01 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

>I'm not going to get anything on Kindle.  They have demonstrated
>their policy that anything they put out belongs to them and can
>be taken away at any time.

They did that once, and because it *didn't* belong to them. A sub-vendor
turned out to be distributing it illegitimately. That it was "1984" was
a hilarious coincidence.

And they won't do it again. After the resulting court case, "Amazon's
attorneys agreed to legally binding terms that describe its content
deletion policy. When it comes to blog and periodical content, as well
as software, Amazon retains the right to perform a remote delete. But
when it comes to books, deletions will only occur under a limited number
of circumstances: failed credit card transactions, judicial orders,
malware, or the permission of the user."

Also, you can train Calibre to slurp all the content of your Windows7
Kindle application and convert it to plain, unprotected ebooks that
can't ever be affected by Amazon even if that changes.

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
"History repeats itself. Has to. No one listens." -- Steve Turner

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#453179

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:oEn56y.18yL@kithrup.com: 

> In article
> <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>, Peter
> Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you can
>>get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100 in SF.
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>
>>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
> 
> I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I
> order enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books when I
> can afford them), and somehow they decided to reward me with
> Prime. 
> 
> But I don't have an e-book reader.
> 
> Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load an
> e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
> 
There's a bit of setup - you have to install Apprenteice Alf's plug-
in in Calibre, to strip out the encryption. Then, you install the 
free Kindle app on the PC, which will download the books. Then import 
those books from the Kindle library folder into Calibre. Nothing 
overly complicated.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#453181

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 4:15:20 PM UTC-4, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
> news:oEn56y.18yL@kithrup.com: 
> 
> > In article
> > <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>, Peter
> > Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you can
> >>get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100 in SF.
> >>
> >>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
> >>
> >>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
> > 
> > I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I
> > order enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books when I
> > can afford them), and somehow they decided to reward me with
> > Prime. 
> > 
> > But I don't have an e-book reader.
> > 
> > Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load an
> > e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
> > 
> There's a bit of setup - you have to install Apprenteice Alf's plug-
> in in Calibre, to strip out the encryption. Then, you install the 
> free Kindle app on the PC, which will download the books. Then import 
> those books from the Kindle library folder into Calibre. Nothing 
> overly complicated.

This is only needed if you want to strip DRM, either due to your views on
your property rights in the books you've bought, or to read them without a 
Kindle app. 

However, if you have a windows box, you can just run Kindle on that. If you
can run a browser, you can use the cloud reader. 

I read most my Kindle books on an iPad, with the Kindle app for iOS.

Dorothy ought to try one of the eInk based Kindles in a store. They are
wonderfully light (main problem with using a tablet), and the batteries
last for weeks before recharge.

pt

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#453183

Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
news:41a3c282-73ed-432e-834b-df33204e79e6@googlegroups.com: 

> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 4:15:20 PM UTC-4, Gutless
> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>> news:oEn56y.18yL@kithrup.com: 
>> 
>> > In article
>> > <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>,
>> > Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> >>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you
>> >>can get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100
>> >>in SF. 
>> >>
>> >>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>> >>
>> >>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>> > 
>> > I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I
>> > order enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books when
>> > I can afford them), and somehow they decided to reward me
>> > with Prime. 
>> > 
>> > But I don't have an e-book reader.
>> > 
>> > Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load
>> > an e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
>> > 
>> There's a bit of setup - you have to install Apprenteice Alf's
>> plug- in in Calibre, to strip out the encryption. Then, you
>> install the free Kindle app on the PC, which will download the
>> books. Then import those books from the Kindle library folder
>> into Calibre. Nothing overly complicated.
> 
> This is only needed if you want to strip DRM, either due to your
> views on your property rights in the books you've bought, or to
> read them without a Kindle app. 

Since Dorothy asked about reading them _in Calibre_ - no, really, 
it's still quoted right up there ^, it would, in fact, be 
necessary.
> 
> However, if you have a windows box, you can just run Kindle on
> that. If you can run a browser, you can use the cloud reader. 
> 
> I read most my Kindle books on an iPad, with the Kindle app for
> iOS. 
> 
> Dorothy ought to try one of the eInk based Kindles in a store.
> They are wonderfully light (main problem with using a tablet),
> and the batteries last for weeks before recharge.
> 
We've had that discussion many, many times, and only a fucking 
moron would believe there's any chance in hell of that _ever_ 
happening.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#453246

In article <XnsA6998AF0F8833taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:41a3c282-73ed-432e-834b-df33204e79e6@googlegroups.com: 
>
>> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 4:15:20 PM UTC-4, Gutless
>> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>> news:oEn56y.18yL@kithrup.com: 
>>> 
>>> > In article
>>> > <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>,
>>> > Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> >>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you
>>> >>can get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100
>>> >>in SF. 
>>> >>
>>> >>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>> >>
>>> >>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>>> > 
>>> > I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I
>>> > order enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books when
>>> > I can afford them), and somehow they decided to reward me
>>> > with Prime. 
>>> > 
>>> > But I don't have an e-book reader.
>>> > 
>>> > Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load
>>> > an e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
>>> > 
>>> There's a bit of setup - you have to install Apprenteice Alf's
>>> plug- in in Calibre, to strip out the encryption. Then, you
>>> install the free Kindle app on the PC, which will download the
>>> books. Then import those books from the Kindle library folder
>>> into Calibre. Nothing overly complicated.
>> 
>> This is only needed if you want to strip DRM, either due to your
>> views on your property rights in the books you've bought, or to
>> read them without a Kindle app. 
>
>Since Dorothy asked about reading them _in Calibre_ - no, really, 
>it's still quoted right up there ^, it would, in fact, be 
>necessary.
>> 
>> However, if you have a windows box, you can just run Kindle on
>> that. If you can run a browser, you can use the cloud reader. 
>> 
>> I read most my Kindle books on an iPad, with the Kindle app for
>> iOS. 
>> 
>> Dorothy ought to try one of the eInk based Kindles in a store.
>> They are wonderfully light (main problem with using a tablet),
>> and the batteries last for weeks before recharge.
>> 
>We've had that discussion many, many times, and only a fucking 
>moron would believe there's any chance in hell of that _ever_ 
>happening.
>
Good summary.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#453245

In article <41a3c282-73ed-432e-834b-df33204e79e6@googlegroups.com>,
Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 4:15:20 PM UTC-4, Gutless Umbrella
>Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>> news:oEn56y.18yL@kithrup.com: 
>> 
>> > In article
>> > <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>, Peter
>> > Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> >>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you can
>> >>get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100 in SF.
>> >>
>> >>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>> >>
>> >>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>> > 
>> > I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I
>> > order enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books when I
>> > can afford them), and somehow they decided to reward me with
>> > Prime. 
>> > 
>> > But I don't have an e-book reader.
>> > 
>> > Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load an
>> > e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
>> > 
>> There's a bit of setup - you have to install Apprenteice Alf's plug-
>> in in Calibre, to strip out the encryption. Then, you install the 
>> free Kindle app on the PC, which will download the books. Then import 
>> those books from the Kindle library folder into Calibre. Nothing 
>> overly complicated.
>
>This is only needed if you want to strip DRM, either due to your views on
>your property rights in the books you've bought, or to read them without a 
>Kindle app. 
>
>However, if you have a windows box, you can just run Kindle on that. If you
>can run a browser, you can use the cloud reader. 
>
>I read most my Kindle books on an iPad, with the Kindle app for iOS.
>
>Dorothy ought to try one of the eInk based Kindles in a store. They are
>wonderfully light (main problem with using a tablet), and the batteries
>last for weeks before recharge.

Yes, but.

(a) I don't trust Amazon not to recall anything electronic at any
time it suits them; I buy real books and CDs and DVDs from them,
which then become my property.

(b) and more to the point, I am virtually house-bound.  I go out
of the house, most weeks, only on Sunday to go to church and do a
bit of shopping in Berkeley.  What do I want with a portable
e-book reader?

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#453254

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:oEnuuv.LH2@kithrup.com: 

> In article
> <41a3c282-73ed-432e-834b-df33204e79e6@googlegroups.com>, Peter
> Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 4:15:20 PM UTC-4, Gutless
>>Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>> news:oEn56y.18yL@kithrup.com: 
>>> 
>>> > In article
>>> > <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>,
>>> > Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> >>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you
>>> >>can get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly
>>> >>100 in SF. 
>>> >>
>>> >>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>> >>
>>> >>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>>> > 
>>> > I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I
>>> > order enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books
>>> > when I can afford them), and somehow they decided to reward
>>> > me with Prime. 
>>> > 
>>> > But I don't have an e-book reader.
>>> > 
>>> > Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would
>>> > load an e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
>>> > 
>>> There's a bit of setup - you have to install Apprenteice Alf's
>>> plug- in in Calibre, to strip out the encryption. Then, you
>>> install the free Kindle app on the PC, which will download the
>>> books. Then import those books from the Kindle library folder
>>> into Calibre. Nothing overly complicated.
>>
>>This is only needed if you want to strip DRM, either due to your
>>views on your property rights in the books you've bought, or to
>>read them without a Kindle app. 
>>
>>However, if you have a windows box, you can just run Kindle on
>>that. If you can run a browser, you can use the cloud reader. 
>>
>>I read most my Kindle books on an iPad, with the Kindle app for
>>iOS. 
>>
>>Dorothy ought to try one of the eInk based Kindles in a store.
>>They are wonderfully light (main problem with using a tablet),
>>and the batteries last for weeks before recharge.
> 
> Yes, but.
> 
> (a) I don't trust Amazon not to recall anything electronic at
> any time it suits them;

If you've stripped off the DRM and aren't using their software, it 
doesn't matter. They can't touch it, ever. That's not the reason 
you are unwilling to consider an ebook reader.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#453259

In article <XnsA699E159AFB4Etaustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:oEnuuv.LH2@kithrup.com: 
>
>> In article
>> <41a3c282-73ed-432e-834b-df33204e79e6@googlegroups.com>, Peter
>> Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 4:15:20 PM UTC-4, Gutless
>>>Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>> news:oEn56y.18yL@kithrup.com: 
>>>> 
>>>> > In article
>>>> > <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> > Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>> >>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you
>>>> >>can get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly
>>>> >>100 in SF. 
>>>> >>
>>>> >>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>>> >>
>>>> >>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>>>> > 
>>>> > I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I
>>>> > order enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books
>>>> > when I can afford them), and somehow they decided to reward
>>>> > me with Prime. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > But I don't have an e-book reader.
>>>> > 
>>>> > Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would
>>>> > load an e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
>>>> > 
>>>> There's a bit of setup - you have to install Apprenteice Alf's
>>>> plug- in in Calibre, to strip out the encryption. Then, you
>>>> install the free Kindle app on the PC, which will download the
>>>> books. Then import those books from the Kindle library folder
>>>> into Calibre. Nothing overly complicated.
>>>
>>>This is only needed if you want to strip DRM, either due to your
>>>views on your property rights in the books you've bought, or to
>>>read them without a Kindle app. 
>>>
>>>However, if you have a windows box, you can just run Kindle on
>>>that. If you can run a browser, you can use the cloud reader. 
>>>
>>>I read most my Kindle books on an iPad, with the Kindle app for
>>>iOS. 
>>>
>>>Dorothy ought to try one of the eInk based Kindles in a store.
>>>They are wonderfully light (main problem with using a tablet),
>>>and the batteries last for weeks before recharge.
>> 
>> Yes, but.
>> 
>> (a) I don't trust Amazon not to recall anything electronic at
>> any time it suits them;
>
>If you've stripped off the DRM and aren't using their software, it 
>doesn't matter. They can't touch it, ever. That's not the reason 
>you are unwilling to consider an ebook reader.

Terry, dear, I don't know *how* to strip off DRM.

But that's by the way.  

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#453284

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:oEnxDy.qsB@kithrup.com: 

> In article <XnsA699E159AFB4Etaustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:oEnuuv.LH2@kithrup.com: 
>>
>>> In article
>>> <41a3c282-73ed-432e-834b-df33204e79e6@googlegroups.com>, Peter
>>> Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 4:15:20 PM UTC-4, Gutless
>>>>Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>>>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>>> news:oEn56y.18yL@kithrup.com: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> > In article
>>>>> > <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> > Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>> >>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which
>>>>> >>you can get get several hundred free ebooks, including
>>>>> >>nearly 100 in SF. 
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own:
>>>>> > I order enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books
>>>>> > when I can afford them), and somehow they decided to
>>>>> > reward me with Prime. 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > But I don't have an e-book reader.
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would
>>>>> > load an e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
>>>>> > 
>>>>> There's a bit of setup - you have to install Apprenteice
>>>>> Alf's plug- in in Calibre, to strip out the encryption.
>>>>> Then, you install the free Kindle app on the PC, which will
>>>>> download the books. Then import those books from the Kindle
>>>>> library folder into Calibre. Nothing overly complicated.
>>>>
>>>>This is only needed if you want to strip DRM, either due to
>>>>your views on your property rights in the books you've bought,
>>>>or to read them without a Kindle app. 
>>>>
>>>>However, if you have a windows box, you can just run Kindle on
>>>>that. If you can run a browser, you can use the cloud reader. 
>>>>
>>>>I read most my Kindle books on an iPad, with the Kindle app
>>>>for iOS. 
>>>>
>>>>Dorothy ought to try one of the eInk based Kindles in a store.
>>>>They are wonderfully light (main problem with using a tablet),
>>>>and the batteries last for weeks before recharge.
>>> 
>>> Yes, but.
>>> 
>>> (a) I don't trust Amazon not to recall anything electronic at
>>> any time it suits them;
>>
>>If you've stripped off the DRM and aren't using their software,
>>it doesn't matter. They can't touch it, ever. That's not the
>>reason you are unwilling to consider an ebook reader.
> 
> Terry, dear, I don't know *how* to strip off DRM.

That's why you use the plug-in for Calibre. It's simpler to
install than Calibre itself is, and once installed, it's
completely automatic. 
> 
> But that's by the way.  
> 



-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#453244

In article <XnsA69986D5C7751taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:oEn56y.18yL@kithrup.com: 
>
>> In article
>> <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>, Peter
>> Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you can
>>>get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100 in SF.
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>>
>>>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>> 
>> I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I
>> order enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books when I
>> can afford them), and somehow they decided to reward me with
>> Prime. 
>> 
>> But I don't have an e-book reader.
>> 
>> Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load an
>> e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
>> 
>There's a bit of setup - you have to install Apprenteice Alf's plug-
>in in Calibre, to strip out the encryption. Then, you install the 
>free Kindle app on the PC, which will download the books. Then import 
>those books from the Kindle library folder into Calibre. Nothing 
>overly complicated.

Thanks, no Kindle stuff for me.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#453253

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:oEnuqH.L6q@kithrup.com: 

> In article <XnsA69986D5C7751taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:oEn56y.18yL@kithrup.com: 
>>
>>> In article
>>> <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>, Peter
>>> Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you
>>>>can get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100
>>>>in SF. 
>>>>
>>>>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>>>
>>>>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>>> 
>>> I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I
>>> order enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books when
>>> I can afford them), and somehow they decided to reward me with
>>> Prime. 
>>> 
>>> But I don't have an e-book reader.
>>> 
>>> Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load
>>> an e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
>>> 
>>There's a bit of setup - you have to install Apprenteice Alf's
>>plug- in in Calibre, to strip out the encryption. Then, you
>>install the free Kindle app on the PC, which will download the
>>books. Then import those books from the Kindle library folder
>>into Calibre. Nothing overly complicated.
> 
> Thanks, no Kindle stuff for me.
> 
Since that's all Amazon sells for ebooks (and always has been), 
there never was any point to this conversation.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#453260

In article <XnsA699E1297EE08taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:oEnuqH.L6q@kithrup.com: 
>
>> In article <XnsA69986D5C7751taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>news:oEn56y.18yL@kithrup.com: 
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <8c820b96-9509-40a1-947c-a3a83bcff8c6@googlegroups.com>, Peter
>>>> Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>If you have Amazon Prime, there's a new service in which you
>>>>>can get get several hundred free ebooks, including nearly 100
>>>>>in SF. 
>>>>>
>>>>>https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/fd/prime-pr
>>>>>
>>>>>(I note there are free Kindle apps for most platforms)
>>>> 
>>>> I actually have Amazon Prime, through no fault of my own: I
>>>> order enough things from them (cat food, e.g., and books when
>>>> I can afford them), and somehow they decided to reward me with
>>>> Prime. 
>>>> 
>>>> But I don't have an e-book reader.
>>>> 
>>>> Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load
>>>> an e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
>>>> 
>>>There's a bit of setup - you have to install Apprenteice Alf's
>>>plug- in in Calibre, to strip out the encryption. Then, you
>>>install the free Kindle app on the PC, which will download the
>>>books. Then import those books from the Kindle library folder
>>>into Calibre. Nothing overly complicated.
>> 
>> Thanks, no Kindle stuff for me.
>> 
>Since that's all Amazon sells for ebooks (and always has been), 
>there never was any point to this conversation.

I know that's all they sell.  (Other than real books 'n' things.
Including cat food.)

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#453200

On 2016-10-06, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load an
> e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.

It would just be "download it, in any of several formats, from the website" -
but you've said your computer is set up to regard such things with deep
suspicion, so I quite understand it might be too much trouble.

Dave
-- 
\/David	DeLaney	posting	thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that	grows the flower
It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is	all it takes to	make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE	HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
website on VIC is down,	probably for good - oh well/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

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#453247

In article <9f6dneRMnt4PTGvKnZ2dnUU7-a-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
David DeLaney  <dbd@vic.com> wrote:
>On 2016-10-06, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> Unless you count Calibre, And I have no idea how I would load an
>> e-book onto my PC so that Calibre could read it.
>
>It would just be "download it, in any of several formats, from the website" -
>but you've said your computer is set up to regard such things with deep
>suspicion, so I quite understand it might be too much trouble.

Oh yeah, ESET treats my computer the way a professional duenna
treats a fifteen-year-old fluffheaded maiden.  Won't let ANYthing
get near it.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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