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| Started by | alal65536@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2016-09-20 04:13 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-12-05 08:19 -0800 |
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What if life were like fiction? alal65536@gmail.com - 2016-09-20 04:13 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 12:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-20 07:41 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 19:24 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-20 19:55 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-20 13:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-21 15:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-21 17:17 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-24 10:28 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? alal65536@gmail.com - 2016-09-20 09:02 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-20 10:39 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 19:25 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-21 11:25 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-09-24 13:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 16:31 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-09-24 20:33 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-25 01:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 19:54 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-09-25 06:25 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-25 03:40 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-09-25 23:10 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-26 00:01 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-25 18:25 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-26 14:16 +0300
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 10:06 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-26 15:34 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:33 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-26 20:00 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-27 06:02 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-27 13:19 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 12:25 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 18:08 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 19:13 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-27 09:50 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-27 14:07 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-27 08:21 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-27 14:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-27 07:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 10:43 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-27 07:47 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 12:57 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 12:45 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 14:21 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-27 18:02 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-26 12:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 16:10 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-09-26 04:02 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2016-09-27 07:31 +0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-26 19:38 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-26 18:20 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-27 00:30 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-26 23:16 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-27 12:44 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 10:36 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-27 14:54 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-27 17:31 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-28 00:51 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-28 03:33 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-28 12:00 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-28 14:15 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-29 01:03 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-29 16:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-29 16:31 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-29 19:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 00:17 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-29 23:01 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 04:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:16 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 16:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 14:04 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 23:48 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 21:44 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 05:03 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 01:17 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 23:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 04:35 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 05:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 02:20 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 13:42 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-02 11:50 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 20:07 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 20:44 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-10-02 22:56 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 23:50 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 19:20 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-02 15:44 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 23:51 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-03 11:23 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-03 20:52 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-02 08:56 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 18:59 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 20:05 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:15 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-30 12:12 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:35 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 03:48 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 01:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 05:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-09-29 22:59 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 06:05 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 03:51 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-30 07:13 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 16:12 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:37 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-01 00:14 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 05:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:49 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-09-30 15:20 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:36 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:53 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:12 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:42 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-09-30 18:00 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 11:02 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:26 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 16:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 00:03 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 23:53 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 08:05 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-10-02 01:57 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:52 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 14:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 14:09 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 08:23 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-09-30 18:01 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 12:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:24 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-09-30 21:47 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 00:02 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-01 16:18 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-02 02:33 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:58 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 12:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-01 00:19 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 01:42 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-01 06:11 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 02:30 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 06:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 14:50 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 19:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 16:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 15:45 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 16:16 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 18:21 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 22:21 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 01:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-01 19:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-02 01:36 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 19:06 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-05 15:55 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-05 13:06 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-05 16:29 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-05 18:55 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:51 -0300
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-08 13:49 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-08 14:55 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-08 18:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-09 04:31 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-09 07:16 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 10:41 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-09 09:28 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-09 20:08 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 15:24 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-09 15:34 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-09 17:10 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-10 01:15 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-10 12:42 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-10 11:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-10 11:27 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 11:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 00:31 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2016-12-03 18:06 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-03 18:43 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2016-12-03 20:37 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-03 13:28 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 22:29 +0200
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-04 22:30 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-12-03 12:18 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 00:30 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-10-09 23:06 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-10 07:08 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:50 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-10 08:14 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 06:01 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 02:54 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 06:31 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:22 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-30 14:14 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 19:04 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 00:09 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 04:04 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:56 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 09:38 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 16:01 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 19:56 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 21:52 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 23:57 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 00:52 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 00:57 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-01 12:50 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-10-11 22:48 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-12 01:03 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-01 08:49 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 14:12 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-01 11:45 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 14:56 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-01 11:26 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-01 11:44 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 15:49 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 22:22 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-02 10:01 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 14:25 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 20:46 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2016-10-02 15:12 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-28 12:50 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-09-28 14:06 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-28 11:56 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-28 09:31 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 09:45 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-28 11:53 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 11:57 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-28 17:51 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-09-28 19:02 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-28 19:51 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 21:52 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-30 09:06 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-29 17:34 +0300
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-28 11:43 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 01:52 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 10:02 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-27 11:24 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Madawc Williams <madawcnow@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 09:19 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-04 17:24 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-12-04 10:15 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-05 10:31 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-12-04 18:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-12-04 13:42 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 18:20 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-05 00:36 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-04 22:43 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-05 12:18 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-04 22:34 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-12-04 22:14 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-12-05 09:22 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-05 00:03 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-05 10:33 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-05 11:20 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-12-05 19:31 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-05 14:49 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-05 14:53 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-05 12:35 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-05 10:37 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2016-12-05 08:19 -0800
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-29 01:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <t38pub1clsjmgvf6838fmlo3g8jvsqnd44@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #452353 |
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:15:44 -0700, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote: >On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:00:10 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> >wrote: > >>On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 03:33:31 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> >>wrote: >> >>>On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 12:51:48 AM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote: >>> >>>> I once got a phone call from a political campaign, on behalf of >>>> someone running for state office, and the person making the call >>>> pronounced the state's name "Mary Land." You'd think they'd go to the >>>> trouble to make sure the phone bank person (who, from her accent, I >>>> suspect was in Detroit) knew how to pronounce the state she was >>>> calling. >>> >>>Campaigns use who they can afford. The caller may have been >>>a volunteer, or a low-paid worker warming a chair in a call >>>center, possibly half a world away. >> >>Oh, I assumed a low-paid worker. I still think they should have made >>sure she knew how to pronounce, "Are you a registered Maryland voter?" > > It is the sort of thing that people can easily miss. Do you >*normally* consider how other people will pronounce something? If I'm hiring them to give a prepared spiel, yeah, I think I do. -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-29 16:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5v6rub50069d3m3flhdipkqjut82djikef@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #452370 |
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 01:03:16 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net>
wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:15:44 -0700, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:00:10 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 03:33:31 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 12:51:48 AM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I once got a phone call from a political campaign, on behalf of
>>>>> someone running for state office, and the person making the call
>>>>> pronounced the state's name "Mary Land." You'd think they'd go to the
>>>>> trouble to make sure the phone bank person (who, from her accent, I
>>>>> suspect was in Detroit) knew how to pronounce the state she was
>>>>> calling.
>>>>
>>>>Campaigns use who they can afford. The caller may have been
>>>>a volunteer, or a low-paid worker warming a chair in a call
>>>>center, possibly half a world away.
>>>
>>>Oh, I assumed a low-paid worker. I still think they should have made
>>>sure she knew how to pronounce, "Are you a registered Maryland voter?"
>>
>> It is the sort of thing that people can easily miss. Do you
>>*normally* consider how other people will pronounce something?
>
>If I'm hiring them to give a prepared spiel, yeah, I think I do.
I might well, too, but some will not think of it. I might not
myself.
I know that I did not think there was a significant difference
between English as spoken in British Columbia and Washington state. I
was disabused by a few conversations. It was not much, but it was
enough in at least two cases that I could not understand the speaker,
only know that he was speaking English.
I found that there were three factors that could cause trouble:
fast speaking, drawl, and background noise. With none or one present,
I rarely had a problem. With two, I might have a minor problem. With
three, it was likely, I would miss parts. (On the background noise, I
do not mean something loud enough to drown out a speaker but enough to
make it difficult to hear clearly.)
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-29 16:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d2e898c9-fc82-4a4a-af63-9c159a7d92d5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452386 |
On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 7:00:35 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 01:03:16 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> > wrote: > > >On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:15:44 -0700, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> > >wrote: > > > >>On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:00:10 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> > >>wrote: > >> > >>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 03:33:31 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>>>On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 12:51:48 AM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I once got a phone call from a political campaign, on behalf of > >>>>> someone running for state office, and the person making the call > >>>>> pronounced the state's name "Mary Land." You'd think they'd go to the > >>>>> trouble to make sure the phone bank person (who, from her accent, I > >>>>> suspect was in Detroit) knew how to pronounce the state she was > >>>>> calling. > >>>> > >>>>Campaigns use who they can afford. The caller may have been > >>>>a volunteer, or a low-paid worker warming a chair in a call > >>>>center, possibly half a world away. > >>> > >>>Oh, I assumed a low-paid worker. I still think they should have made > >>>sure she knew how to pronounce, "Are you a registered Maryland voter?" > >> > >> It is the sort of thing that people can easily miss. Do you > >>*normally* consider how other people will pronounce something? > > > >If I'm hiring them to give a prepared spiel, yeah, I think I do. > > I might well, too, but some will not think of it. I might not > myself. > > I know that I did not think there was a significant difference > between English as spoken in British Columbia and Washington state. I > was disabused by a few conversations. It was not much, but it was > enough in at least two cases that I could not understand the speaker, > only know that he was speaking English. > > I found that there were three factors that could cause trouble: > fast speaking, drawl, and background noise. With none or one present, > I rarely had a problem. With two, I might have a minor problem. With > three, it was likely, I would miss parts. (On the background noise, I > do not mean something loud enough to drown out a speaker but enough to > make it difficult to hear clearly.) > I talk to people all day on the phone, from all over the USA and sometimes from Canada. I speak to folks for whom English is their first language, or their second, with many different accents. Anyone who has had a job ike that can testify to how difficult it can be to understand, or make yourself understood, to someone who speaks a different base form of the language: different language, different vocabulary, different customs. One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. Simple things, like taking an address are landmines. Ask if there's an apartment number, and you've just accused them of being deadbeats who can't afford to carry a mortgage. Never mind that their are Manhattan apartments selling for namy multiples of the cost of their shack. Among some quirks: Californians will give you their zip code and the name of their town, and be surprised when you ask "State?" Texans don't know the full names of their street. It's always "123 Sam Houston." "Blvd? St? Ave? Hwy?" My theory is that the highway department down their is saving paint on the street signs. If you aren't convinced the "vowel shift" is real, put a headset on and staff the help desk for a couple of days. "Is that A as in Adam or E as in Edward, please?" is a frequent question. On the other hand, people are delighted when you can pronounce local names correctly, like not butchering "La Jolla." I like to relate people's names to movie stars. "Is that Barbra like Streisand or (Barbara) like Stanwyck?" is one I try with "senior citizen"-sounding voices. I also get great use out of "Lo siento, no. Hablo solamente un poquito de espanol, pero permítame transferir su llamada, por favor." If someone in Kamloops sits around and watches a lot of CBC and CTV, is he a chesterfield turnip? :) Kevin R
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-09-29 19:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <hsfqmgek26ud.1kslhyv7op1q5.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #452387 |
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote in<news:d2e898c9-fc82-4a4a-af63-9c159a7d92d5@googlegroups.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: [...] > If someone in Kamloops sits around and watches a lot of > CBC and CTV, is he a chesterfield turnip? :) Nah, he’s a rooted bugger. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-09-30 00:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEAJHq.vC4@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452387 |
In article <d2e898c9-fc82-4a4a-af63-9c159a7d92d5@googlegroups.com>, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > >I talk to people all day on the phone, from all over the USA >and sometimes from Canada. I speak to folks for whom English >is their first language, or their second, with many different >accents. Anyone who has had a job ike that can testify to how >difficult it can be to understand, or make yourself understood, >to someone who speaks a different base form of the language: >different language, different vocabulary, different customs. >One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, >demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be >horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. >Simple things, like taking an address are landmines. Ask if >there's an apartment number, and you've just accused them of >being deadbeats who can't afford to carry a mortgage. Never mind >that their are Manhattan apartments selling for namy multiples >of the cost of their shack. Among some quirks: > >Californians will give you their zip code and the name of their >town, and be surprised when you ask "State?" Well ... California is pretty large. Still, I don't think I'd get angry if asked for my state, I'd laugh and say, "Oh, California." >Texans don't know the full names of their street. >It's always "123 Sam Houston." "Blvd? St? Ave? Hwy?" My theory is >that the highway department down their is saving paint on the street >signs. Um ... do the street signs actually not give "Street" et cetera? Or do the locals simply assume that the name is sufficient and the designation doesn't matter? >If you aren't convinced the "vowel shift" is real, put a headset >on and staff the help desk for a couple of days. "Is that A as in Adam >or E as in Edward, please?" is a frequent question. > >On the other hand, people are delighted when you can pronounce local >names correctly, like not butchering "La Jolla." Ogden Nash once wrote, "Californias fine each other a dollar/If they say 'La Jolla,'/and give each other a Picasso or a Goya/If they say 'La Hoya.'" I think it's more a matter of knowing whether a name is English or Spanish. > >I like to relate people's names to movie stars. >"Is that Barbra like Streisand or (Barbara) like Stanwyck?" is >one I try with "senior citizen"-sounding voices. If they're sufficiently senior, they may have heard of Stanwyck and not Streisand. > >I also get great use out of "Lo siento, no. Hablo solamente >un poquito de espanol, pero permítame transferir su llamada, por favor." I once, while sitting with a friend in the office of a housecleaning agency, had to dredge up my rusty Spanish to translate the (telephoned) message of a doctor to a housemaid who spoke no English, telling her that she would be all right. Thank Ghu, I managed to get it across. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-09-29 23:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <kqKdnQRl6sw6fnDKnZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #452387 |
On 2016-09-29, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > On the other hand, people are delighted when you can pronounce local > names correctly, like not butchering "La Jolla." They are even more delighted, I find, when you pronounce their name correctly without having heard it first. I get a few "You said my name right! Nobody EVER says it right!"s a week. Dave, but to balance that out, I'm apparently considered "such a NICE man" in the comments in the background as the phone's getting hung up -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> website on VIC is down, probably for good - oh well/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-09-30 04:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEAunv.1Kr5@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452400 |
In article <kqKdnQRl6sw6fnDKnZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@earthlink.com>, David DeLaney <dbd@vic.com> wrote: >On 2016-09-29, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >> On the other hand, people are delighted when you can pronounce local >> names correctly, like not butchering "La Jolla." > >They are even more delighted, I find, when you pronounce their name correctly >without having heard it first. I get a few "You said my name right! Nobody EVER >says it right!"s a week. > >Dave, but to balance that out, I'm apparently considered "such a NICE man" in > the comments in the background as the phone's getting hung up Names are difficult. My maiden name was Jones. You'd think anybody could spell and/or pronounce that, right? Nope. So when I married I took my husband's name, which is Heydt. Nobody can spell or pronounce that either. So when my daughter married, she took her husband's name, which is Creelman. Nobody ... et cetera. My son, on the other hand, changed his last name to Salazar before he married. Salazar is his wife's mother's maiden name and his wife, who's an actress, has been using that as her professional name for years. So Tris changed his name to Salazar, which he could afford to do, so that Erica, who couldn't, could get her name change automatically (SSA gives you a form to fill out). Ingenuity triumphs over bureaucracy. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-09-30 11:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6937CEE38980melchizedek@216.166.97.131> |
| In reply to | #452404 |
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:oEAunv.1Kr5@kithrup.com:
> In article <kqKdnQRl6sw6fnDKnZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> David DeLaney <dbd@vic.com> wrote:
>>On 2016-09-29, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>> On the other hand, people are delighted when you can pronounce local
>>> names correctly, like not butchering "La Jolla."
>>
>>They are even more delighted, I find, when you pronounce their name
>>correctly without having heard it first. I get a few "You said my name
>>right! Nobody EVER says it right!"s a week.
>>
>>Dave, but to balance that out, I'm apparently considered "such a NICE
>>man" in
>> the comments in the background as the phone's getting hung up
>
> Names are difficult. My maiden name was Jones. You'd think
> anybody could spell and/or pronounce that, right? Nope. So when
> I married I took my husband's name, which is Heydt.
My last name (Trei) is highly unusual, and I'm mildly surprised
when a stranger gets it right ('tray'). I'd be an idiot to take
offense at them getting it wrong, since it doesn't follow standard
English pronunciation.
It's a useful test to know if someone who calls for me and my
wife actually knows us, or is just faking it.
I don't think I've *ever* had a stranger spell it right without
coaching, nor do I expect them to.
pt
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-09-30 16:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <22tsrisi4w8j.1hhsjssrojki$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #452439 |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:16:40 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<treifamily@gmail.com> wrote
in<news:XnsA6937CEE38980melchizedek@216.166.97.131> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
[...]
> My last name (Trei) is highly unusual, and I'm mildly
> surprised when a stranger gets it right ('tray').
You pronounce it as I’d supposed, but if I’d only heard it
and had to write it down, I’d hesitate between <Trei> and
<Tray>.
[...]
Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.
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| From | Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-09-30 14:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c208d52f-b507-4c90-ac26-df63d6ba7fb7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452472 |
On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 4:14:49 PM UTC-4, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:16:40 -0500, Cryptoengineer
> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote
> in<news:XnsA6937CEE38980melchizedek@216.166.97.131> in
> rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> [...]
>
> > My last name (Trei) is highly unusual, and I'm mildly
> > surprised when a stranger gets it right ('tray').
... or 'try' or 'tree-ai'
> You pronounce it as I’d supposed, but if I’d only heard it
> and had to write it down, I’d hesitate between <Trei> and
> <Tray>.
... or 'trey'
I don't care if people make mistakes on first encountering my
name, but I expect them to learn it. The worst breech was an employer
where the IT department entered it as TRIE when setting up my
computer accounts, and refused to correct it for the the 3 years I worked
there.
You'd be surprised how many people get it wrong even when spelled out,
in particular thinking it starts with a 'D'. I have to resort to Tango Romeo
Echo India.
Pt
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-09-30 23:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oECCtD.xEu@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452488 |
In article <c208d52f-b507-4c90-ac26-df63d6ba7fb7@googlegroups.com>,
Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 4:14:49 PM UTC-4, Brian M. Scott wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:16:40 -0500, Cryptoengineer
>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote
>> in<news:XnsA6937CEE38980melchizedek@216.166.97.131> in
>> rec.arts.sf.written:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > My last name (Trei) is highly unusual, and I'm mildly
>> > surprised when a stranger gets it right ('tray').
>
>... or 'try' or 'tree-ai'
>
>> You pronounce it as I’d supposed, but if I’d only heard it
>> and had to write it down, I’d hesitate between <Trei> and
>> <Tray>.
>
>... or 'trey'
>
>I don't care if people make mistakes on first encountering my
>name, but I expect them to learn it. The worst breech was an employer
>where the IT department entered it as TRIE when setting up my
>computer accounts, and refused to correct it for the the 3 years I worked
>there.
>
>You'd be surprised how many people get it wrong even when spelled out,
>in particular thinking it starts with a 'D'. I have to resort to Tango Romeo
>Echo India.
"H as in Harry, E as in Egg, Y as in Yes, D as in Dog, T as in
Telephone."
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 21:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <yu6sk5jyuzd9$.xokr3alw02nt.dlg@40tude.net> |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 23:48:49 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oECCtD.xEu@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: [...] > "H as in Harry, E as in Egg, Y as in Yes, D as in Dog, T > as in Telephone." Bo-o-oring! H as in Yuuge, E as in Eugenics, Y as in Ytterbium, D as in Dnieper, T as in Theology. <g> Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 05:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oECrE4.1rKn@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452508 |
In article <yu6sk5jyuzd9$.xokr3alw02nt.dlg@40tude.net>, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 23:48:49 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt ><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oECCtD.xEu@kithrup.com> >in rec.arts.sf.written: > >[...] > >> "H as in Harry, E as in Egg, Y as in Yes, D as in Dog, T >> as in Telephone." > >Bo-o-oring! > >H as in Yuuge, E as in Eugenics, Y as in Ytterbium, D as in >Dnieper, T as in Theology. > Nope, not if I wanted it to get spelled right. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 01:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEEBLs.tEz@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452520 |
In article <oECrE4.1rKn@kithrup.com>, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >In article <yu6sk5jyuzd9$.xokr3alw02nt.dlg@40tude.net>, >Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >>On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 23:48:49 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt >><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oECCtD.xEu@kithrup.com> >>in rec.arts.sf.written: >> >>[...] >> >>> "H as in Harry, E as in Egg, Y as in Yes, D as in Dog, T >>> as in Telephone." >> >>Bo-o-oring! >> >>H as in Yuuge, E as in Eugenics, Y as in Ytterbium, D as in >>Dnieper, T as in Theology. >> >Nope, not if I wanted it to get spelled right. Dorothy, I'm surprised you didn't take the opportunity to quote that bit from a Saint novel: "BEPPO. B for bdellium, E for eiderdown, P for psychology, P for pneumonia, O for a muse of fire that would ascend the brightest heaven of invention." Did you see my post about you and/or Meg being Tuckerized by Seanan McGuire, btw? -- David Goldfarb | "And it came to pass by the way in the inn, goldfarbdj@gmail.com | that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him." goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Exodus 4:24
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 23:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1tblrtwt6gi6h.t0e0shoo4sxj$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #452647 |
On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 01:17:52 GMT, David Goldfarb <goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu> wrote in<news:oEEBLs.tEz@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > In article <oECrE4.1rKn@kithrup.com>, > Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >>In article <yu6sk5jyuzd9$.xokr3alw02nt.dlg@40tude.net>, >>Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 23:48:49 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt >>><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oECCtD.xEu@kithrup.com> >>>in rec.arts.sf.written: >>>[...] >>>> "H as in Harry, E as in Egg, Y as in Yes, D as in Dog, T >>>> as in Telephone." >>>Bo-o-oring! >>>H as in Yuuge, E as in Eugenics, Y as in Ytterbium, D as in >>>Dnieper, T as in Theology. >>Nope, not if I wanted it to get spelled right. > Dorothy, I'm surprised you didn't take the opportunity to quote that > bit from a Saint novel: > "BEPPO. B for bdellium, E for eiderdown, P for psychology, P for > pneumonia, O for a muse of fire that would ascend the brightest > heaven of invention." [...] Heh. I originally had <eiderdown> for E and then decided that <eugenics> was even ‘better’. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 04:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEEKqF.19s2@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452647 |
In article <oEEBLs.tEz@kithrup.com>, David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote: >In article <oECrE4.1rKn@kithrup.com>, >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >>In article <yu6sk5jyuzd9$.xokr3alw02nt.dlg@40tude.net>, >>Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 23:48:49 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt >>><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oECCtD.xEu@kithrup.com> >>>in rec.arts.sf.written: >>> >>>[...] >>> >>>> "H as in Harry, E as in Egg, Y as in Yes, D as in Dog, T >>>> as in Telephone." >>> >>>Bo-o-oring! >>> >>>H as in Yuuge, E as in Eugenics, Y as in Ytterbium, D as in >>>Dnieper, T as in Theology. >>> >>Nope, not if I wanted it to get spelled right. > >Dorothy, I'm surprised you didn't take the opportunity to quote that >bit from a Saint novel: >"BEPPO. B for bdellium, E for eiderdown, P for psychology, P for >pneumonia, O for a muse of fire that would ascend the brightest >heaven of invention." No. Also, I've never read any Saint novels: the only thing I ever read was a short story, "The Saint in the Caribbean," about zombies 'n' stuff, in F&SF in the fifties. > >Did you see my post about you and/or Meg being Tuckerized by >Seanan McGuire, btw? NO!! What/where/when?? I read only the Incryptid books, but I think Meg reads everything Seanan writes. Do tell! -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 05:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEEMso.1DLH@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452662 |
In article <oEEKqF.19s2@kithrup.com>, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >In article <oEEBLs.tEz@kithrup.com>, >David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote: >>In article <oECrE4.1rKn@kithrup.com>, >>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >>>In article <yu6sk5jyuzd9$.xokr3alw02nt.dlg@40tude.net>, >>>Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >>>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 23:48:49 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt >>>><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oECCtD.xEu@kithrup.com> >>>>in rec.arts.sf.written: >>>> >>>>[...] >>>> >>>>> "H as in Harry, E as in Egg, Y as in Yes, D as in Dog, T >>>>> as in Telephone." >>>> >>>>Bo-o-oring! >>>> >>>>H as in Yuuge, E as in Eugenics, Y as in Ytterbium, D as in >>>>Dnieper, T as in Theology. >>>> >>>Nope, not if I wanted it to get spelled right. >> >>Dorothy, I'm surprised you didn't take the opportunity to quote that >>bit from a Saint novel: >>"BEPPO. B for bdellium, E for eiderdown, P for psychology, P for >>pneumonia, O for a muse of fire that would ascend the brightest >>heaven of invention." > >No. Also, I've never read any Saint novels: the only thing I >ever read was a short story, "The Saint in the Caribbean," about >zombies 'n' stuff, in F&SF in the fifties. >> >>Did you see my post about you and/or Meg being Tuckerized by >>Seanan McGuire, btw? > >NO!! What/where/when?? I read only the Incryptid books, but I >think Meg reads everything Seanan writes. Do tell! > Addendum: I asked Meg, and she said, "Oh yeah, I'm in a short story, Ms. Creelman, the new manager of a psychiatric ward." If you know of any other instances where she appears, please let us know. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 02:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11fy2w2waco0m.ygeqo0pg20k3.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #452662 |
On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 04:35:03 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oEEKqF.19s2@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > In article <oEEBLs.tEz@kithrup.com>, > David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote: [...] >> Did you see my post about you and/or Meg being >> Tuckerized by Seanan McGuire, btw? > > NO!! What/where/when?? I read only the Incryptid > books, but I think Meg reads everything Seanan writes. > Do tell! I quote David’s post in question: >> See, you have just reinforced my ambition never to read >> that series. I know and like Seanan; she's had a hard >> life and risen above it, and I'm full-out happy for her >> success. But I'm still not gonna read those books. > I've just finished the main story of the latest October > Daye novel, and started in on the backup novella. We > had previously known that Arden Windermere, while in > hiding amongst mortal humans (working as a clerk at > Borderlands Books!), had used the name "Ardith"...but > not the surname. (I went back to book 7 and checked.) > Here we learn that she was -- Ardith Heydt. > Not that this means you should read the books, of course, > but I thought you might be interested to know if you > didn't already. <end quote> Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 13:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEFA24.rpI@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452672 |
In article <11fy2w2waco0m.ygeqo0pg20k3.dlg@40tude.net>, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 04:35:03 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt ><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote >in<news:oEEKqF.19s2@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > >> In article <oEEBLs.tEz@kithrup.com>, >> David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote: > >[...] > >>> Did you see my post about you and/or Meg being >>> Tuckerized by Seanan McGuire, btw? >> >> NO!! What/where/when?? I read only the Incryptid >> books, but I think Meg reads everything Seanan writes. >> Do tell! > >I quote David’s post in question: > >>> See, you have just reinforced my ambition never to read >>> that series. I know and like Seanan; she's had a hard >>> life and risen above it, and I'm full-out happy for her >>> success. But I'm still not gonna read those books. > >> I've just finished the main story of the latest October >> Daye novel, and started in on the backup novella. We >> had previously known that Arden Windermere, while in >> hiding amongst mortal humans (working as a clerk at >> Borderlands Books!), had used the name "Ardith"...but >> not the surname. (I went back to book 7 and checked.) >> Here we learn that she was -- Ardith Heydt. > >> Not that this means you should read the books, of course, >> but I thought you might be interested to know if you >> didn't already. > ><end quote> Okay, I missed that post altogether. But I went upstairs last night and asked Meg if she knew of either of us being Tuckerized in Seanan's work, and she said, "Oh, yeah, it's one of her short stories, about a mental institution whose new manager is a Ms. Creelman. So now she and I have both been Tuckerized. :) I'll tell Meg when I next see her; yes, she lives upstairs, but it's Sunday morning and by the time we're out the door (Hal drives me to church in Berkeley and I hit the drugstore while I'm there), she will still be asleep. Thanks for the reference. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 11:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0d162578-bbe8-4f62-b53f-5abb105f001f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452694 |
On Sunday, 2 October 2016 14:45:04 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <11fy2w2waco0m.ygeqo0pg20k3.dlg@40tude.net>, > Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: > >On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 04:35:03 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt > ><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote > >in<news:oEEKqF.19s2@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > > > >> In article <oEEBLs.tEz@kithrup.com>, > >> David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >[...] > > > >>> Did you see my post about you and/or Meg being > >>> Tuckerized by Seanan McGuire, btw? > >> > >> NO!! What/where/when?? I read only the Incryptid > >> books, but I think Meg reads everything Seanan writes. > >> Do tell! > > > >I quote David’s post in question: > > > >>> See, you have just reinforced my ambition never to read > >>> that series. I know and like Seanan; she's had a hard > >>> life and risen above it, and I'm full-out happy for her > >>> success. But I'm still not gonna read those books. > > > >> I've just finished the main story of the latest October > >> Daye novel, and started in on the backup novella. We > >> had previously known that Arden Windermere, while in > >> hiding amongst mortal humans (working as a clerk at > >> Borderlands Books!), had used the name "Ardith"...but > >> not the surname. (I went back to book 7 and checked.) > >> Here we learn that she was -- Ardith Heydt. > > > >> Not that this means you should read the books, of course, > >> but I thought you might be interested to know if you > >> didn't already. > > > ><end quote> > > Okay, I missed that post altogether. But I went upstairs last > night and asked Meg if she knew of either of us being Tuckerized > in Seanan's work, and she said, "Oh, yeah, it's one of her short > stories, about a mental institution whose new manager is a Ms. > Creelman. > > So now she and I have both been Tuckerized. :) I'll tell Meg > when I next see her; yes, she lives upstairs, but it's Sunday > morning and by the time we're out the door (Hal drives me to > church in Berkeley and I hit the drugstore while I'm there), she > will still be asleep. > > Thanks for the reference. I haven't read the story but I wonder if it counts as "Tuckerised" when a story character uses your name as a cover identity. So maybe there's more. I gather almost everyone in James Bond stories is at least surnamed after a friend, enemy, or other contact of the author's: the original James Bond was I think author of an ornithology book that Ian Fleming owned. A villain's worst real crime, not to belittle it, may have been to bully Fleming at school. "Arden Windermere" sounds implausibly literary in the first place but perhaps there's a reason for that besides "yes it is". A character in a Doctor Who episode in which Earth's surface is suddenly and unexpectedly overrun by forestation is named Maebh Arden.
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