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| Started by | alal65536@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2016-09-20 04:13 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-12-05 08:19 -0800 |
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What if life were like fiction? alal65536@gmail.com - 2016-09-20 04:13 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 12:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-20 07:41 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 19:24 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-20 19:55 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-20 13:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-21 15:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-21 17:17 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-24 10:28 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? alal65536@gmail.com - 2016-09-20 09:02 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-20 10:39 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 19:25 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-21 11:25 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-09-24 13:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 16:31 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-09-24 20:33 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-25 01:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 19:54 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-09-25 06:25 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-25 03:40 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-09-25 23:10 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-26 00:01 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-25 18:25 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-26 14:16 +0300
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 10:06 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-26 15:34 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:33 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-26 20:00 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-27 06:02 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-27 13:19 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 12:25 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 18:08 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 19:13 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-27 09:50 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-27 14:07 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-27 08:21 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-27 14:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-27 07:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 10:43 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-27 07:47 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 12:57 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 12:45 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 14:21 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-27 18:02 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-26 12:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 16:10 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-09-26 04:02 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2016-09-27 07:31 +0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-26 19:38 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-26 18:20 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-27 00:30 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-26 23:16 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-27 12:44 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 10:36 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-27 14:54 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-27 17:31 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-28 00:51 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-28 03:33 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-28 12:00 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-28 14:15 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-29 01:03 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-29 16:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-29 16:31 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-29 19:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 00:17 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-29 23:01 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 04:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:16 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 16:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 14:04 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 23:48 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 21:44 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 05:03 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 01:17 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 23:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 04:35 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 05:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 02:20 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 13:42 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-02 11:50 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 20:07 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 20:44 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-10-02 22:56 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 23:50 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 19:20 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-02 15:44 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 23:51 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-03 11:23 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-03 20:52 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-02 08:56 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 18:59 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 20:05 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:15 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-30 12:12 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:35 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 03:48 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 01:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 05:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-09-29 22:59 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 06:05 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 03:51 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-30 07:13 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 16:12 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:37 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-01 00:14 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 05:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:49 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-09-30 15:20 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:36 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:53 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:12 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:42 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-09-30 18:00 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 11:02 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:26 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 16:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 00:03 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 23:53 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 08:05 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-10-02 01:57 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:52 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 14:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 14:09 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 08:23 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-09-30 18:01 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 12:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:24 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-09-30 21:47 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 00:02 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-01 16:18 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-02 02:33 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:58 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 12:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-01 00:19 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 01:42 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-01 06:11 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 02:30 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 06:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 14:50 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 19:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 16:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 15:45 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 16:16 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 18:21 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 22:21 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 01:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-01 19:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-02 01:36 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 19:06 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-05 15:55 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-05 13:06 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-05 16:29 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-05 18:55 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:51 -0300
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-08 13:49 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-08 14:55 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-08 18:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-09 04:31 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-09 07:16 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 10:41 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-09 09:28 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-09 20:08 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 15:24 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-09 15:34 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-09 17:10 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-10 01:15 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-10 12:42 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-10 11:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-10 11:27 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 11:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 00:31 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2016-12-03 18:06 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-03 18:43 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2016-12-03 20:37 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-03 13:28 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 22:29 +0200
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-04 22:30 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-12-03 12:18 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 00:30 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-10-09 23:06 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-10 07:08 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:50 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-10 08:14 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 06:01 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 02:54 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 06:31 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:22 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-30 14:14 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 19:04 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 00:09 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 04:04 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:56 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 09:38 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 16:01 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 19:56 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 21:52 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 23:57 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 00:52 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 00:57 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-01 12:50 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-10-11 22:48 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-12 01:03 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-01 08:49 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 14:12 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-01 11:45 -0700
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Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 15:49 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 22:22 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-02 10:01 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 14:25 -0400
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Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 10:02 -0400
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Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-12-05 09:22 +0000
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| From | goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 20:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEFrwC.1q52@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452723 |
In article <0d162578-bbe8-4f62-b53f-5abb105f001f@googlegroups.com>, Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >I haven't read the story but I wonder if it counts >as "Tuckerised" when a story character uses your >name as a cover identity. I'd say that any deliberate inclusion of the real name of someone who isn't a public figure counts as a Tuckerization. >"Arden Windermere" sounds implausibly literary in >the first place but perhaps there's a reason for >that besides "yes it is". Does it help to know that the character is an elf? -- David Goldfarb |"I require three things in a man. He must be goldfarbdj@gmail.com | handsome, ruthless, and stupid." goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Dorothy Parker
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 20:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEFtMA.1tn6@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452723 |
In article <0d162578-bbe8-4f62-b53f-5abb105f001f@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
{About my having been Tuckerized as Ardith Heydt]
>
>I haven't read the story but I wonder if it counts
>as "Tuckerised" when a story character uses your
>name as a cover identity. So maybe there's more.
>I gather almost everyone in James Bond stories is
>at least surnamed after a friend, enemy, or other
>contact of the author's: the original James Bond
>was I think author of an ornithology book that
>Ian Fleming owned. A villain's worst real crime,
>not to belittle it, may have been to bully Fleming
>at school.
Well, Meg found the reference; it's in a short story appended to
the latest novel. Arden is trying to cure her brother of
elf-shot, which makes him sleep for a century. She needs more
information, so she goes to visit an alchemist, whose cover
identity is as a professor of biochemistry at UC Berkeley (where
I worked once, and so did Meg, briefly). She can't go out _in
propria persona_, so she conjures up the identity she used for
years and years while hiding out: Ardith Heydt, a middle-aged
bookstore clerk from San Francisco (who works at Borderlands
Bookstore, which is real). I don't kow if there's any physical
description' I can inquire.
>
>"Arden Windermere" sounds implausibly literary in
>the first place but perhaps there's a reason for
>that besides "yes it is".
Well, she's an Elf Queen. Will that do?
>
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-02 22:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kst2vblaf5pnt7uihvp70a7asi4pmkgqmi@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #452739 |
On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:44:34 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
>In article <0d162578-bbe8-4f62-b53f-5abb105f001f@googlegroups.com>,
>Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>
>{About my having been Tuckerized as Ardith Heydt]
>
>>
>>I haven't read the story but I wonder if it counts
>>as "Tuckerised" when a story character uses your
>>name as a cover identity. So maybe there's more.
>>I gather almost everyone in James Bond stories is
>>at least surnamed after a friend, enemy, or other
>>contact of the author's: the original James Bond
>>was I think author of an ornithology book that
>>Ian Fleming owned. A villain's worst real crime,
>>not to belittle it, may have been to bully Fleming
>>at school.
>
>Well, Meg found the reference; it's in a short story appended to
>the latest novel. Arden is trying to cure her brother of
>elf-shot, which makes him sleep for a century. She needs more
>information, so she goes to visit an alchemist, whose cover
>identity is as a professor of biochemistry at UC Berkeley (where
>I worked once, and so did Meg, briefly). She can't go out _in
>propria persona_, so she conjures up the identity she used for
>years and years while hiding out: Ardith Heydt, a middle-aged
>bookstore clerk from San Francisco (who works at Borderlands
>Bookstore, which is real). I don't kow if there's any physical
>description' I can inquire.
Nothing noted in the Arden short in question, but back when Arden was
first found in _Chimes at Midnight_ while in her cover glamour, was
this:
“The voice had come from what looked like a perfectly normal shop girl.
She was wearing jeans, and a black shirt with red cap sleeves and the
store’s logo printed across the chest. Each of her ears had been pierced
three times, something that was easy to notice, since we were almost the
same height. Her eyes were two different colors, one brown, one so blue
it was almost disconcerting, and her hair was chestnut brown, worn long.
Her bangs overhung her eyes, and her skin was even paler than mine.”
Anything close? She was only referred to as Ardith then, the Heydt
surname appears to be first used in the new short story.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
haiku are easy
all you do is stop at the
seventeenth syllab
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-02 23:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEG28J.5By@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452752 |
In article <kst2vblaf5pnt7uihvp70a7asi4pmkgqmi@4ax.com>,
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:44:34 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <0d162578-bbe8-4f62-b53f-5abb105f001f@googlegroups.com>,
>>Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>{About my having been Tuckerized as Ardith Heydt]
>>
>>>
>>>I haven't read the story but I wonder if it counts
>>>as "Tuckerised" when a story character uses your
>>>name as a cover identity. So maybe there's more.
>>>I gather almost everyone in James Bond stories is
>>>at least surnamed after a friend, enemy, or other
>>>contact of the author's: the original James Bond
>>>was I think author of an ornithology book that
>>>Ian Fleming owned. A villain's worst real crime,
>>>not to belittle it, may have been to bully Fleming
>>>at school.
>>
>>Well, Meg found the reference; it's in a short story appended to
>>the latest novel. Arden is trying to cure her brother of
>>elf-shot, which makes him sleep for a century. She needs more
>>information, so she goes to visit an alchemist, whose cover
>>identity is as a professor of biochemistry at UC Berkeley (where
>>I worked once, and so did Meg, briefly). She can't go out _in
>>propria persona_, so she conjures up the identity she used for
>>years and years while hiding out: Ardith Heydt, a middle-aged
>>bookstore clerk from San Francisco (who works at Borderlands
>>Bookstore, which is real). I don't kow if there's any physical
>>description' I can inquire.
>
>Nothing noted in the Arden short in question, but back when Arden was
>first found in _Chimes at Midnight_ while in her cover glamour, was
>this:
>
>“The voice had come from what looked like a perfectly normal shop girl.
>She was wearing jeans, and a black shirt with red cap sleeves and the
>store’s logo printed across the chest. Each of her ears had been pierced
>three times, something that was easy to notice, since we were almost the
>same height. Her eyes were two different colors, one brown, one so blue
>it was almost disconcerting, and her hair was chestnut brown, worn long.
>Her bangs overhung her eyes, and her skin was even paler than mine.”
>
>Anything close? She was only referred to as Ardith then, the Heydt
>surname appears to be first used in the new short story.
Well, lessee. My hair used to be reddish-brown and long (Meg's
still is, she at any age past puberty has always strikingly
resembled me at the same age). My skin is very pale. BOTH my
eyes are brown, no relation to David Bowie, ne' Jones, here. I
haven't worn bangs since I was an undergraduate. Ears pierced
only once each; Meg's the one with multiple piercings, being of a
later generation.
Thing is, except for the heterochromatic eyes, the description
matches half to two-thirds of ALL the young or not-so-young women
you'll meet in either fandom or the SCA.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-02 19:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tpocfjb104hl$.nh3wadzxoymq.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #452739 |
On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:44:34 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt
<djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote
in<news:oEFtMA.1tn6@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written:
> In article <0d162578-bbe8-4f62-b53f-5abb105f001f@googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> {About my having been Tuckerized as Ardith Heydt]
>> I haven't read the story but I wonder if it counts as
>> "Tuckerised" when a story character uses your name as a
>> cover identity. So maybe there's more. I gather almost
>> everyone in James Bond stories is at least surnamed
>> after a friend, enemy, or other contact of the
>> author's: the original James Bond was I think author of
>> an ornithology book that Ian Fleming owned. A
>> villain's worst real crime, not to belittle it, may
>> have been to bully Fleming at school.
> Well, Meg found the reference; it's in a short story
> appended to the latest novel.
A novella, actually, ‘Dreams and Slumbers’.
[...]
Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-02 15:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <aa8bbece-e967-4727-b345-848da9bec9b4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452723 |
On Sunday, 2 October 2016 19:50:28 UTC+1, Robert Carnegie wrote: > I haven't read the story but I wonder if it counts > as "Tuckerised" when a story character uses your > name as a cover identity. My very bad. Of course it does. Stupidly I was thinking of the other thing - but what's that called?
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-02 23:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEG29M.5E4@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452756 |
In article <aa8bbece-e967-4727-b345-848da9bec9b4@googlegroups.com>, Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >On Sunday, 2 October 2016 19:50:28 UTC+1, Robert Carnegie wrote: >> I haven't read the story but I wonder if it counts >> as "Tuckerised" when a story character uses your >> name as a cover identity. > >My very bad. Of course it does. > >Stupidly I was thinking of the other thing - >but what's that called? Give us some hints. Is it bigger than a breadbox? Is it gainfully employed? -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-03 11:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1f3404be-3440-4565-851f-b98a99f8e865@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452772 |
On Monday, 3 October 2016 01:00:04 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <aa8bbece-e967-4727-b345-848da9bec9b4@googlegroups.com>, > Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > >On Sunday, 2 October 2016 19:50:28 UTC+1, Robert Carnegie wrote: > >> I haven't read the story but I wonder if it counts > >> as "Tuckerised" when a story character uses your > >> name as a cover identity. > > > >My very bad. Of course it does. > > > >Stupidly I was thinking of the other thing - > >but what's that called? > > Give us some hints. Is it bigger than a breadbox? Is it > gainfully employed? Um... apparently it's Tuckerisation. Wikiepdia (which I should actually read sometimes): "A tuckerization can also be the use of a person's character or personal attributes with a new name as an in-joke." Or alternatively an invitation to sue... How is Sue? Whereas taking the name was what got some of the Marx Bothers into trouble when they went on radio as "Beagle, Shyster and Beagle" - they heard from a highly dissatisfied Beagle.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-03 20:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEHonJ.1o8M@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452857 |
In article <1f3404be-3440-4565-851f-b98a99f8e865@googlegroups.com>, Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >On Monday, 3 October 2016 01:00:04 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <aa8bbece-e967-4727-b345-848da9bec9b4@googlegroups.com>, >> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >> >On Sunday, 2 October 2016 19:50:28 UTC+1, Robert Carnegie wrote: >> >> I haven't read the story but I wonder if it counts >> >> as "Tuckerised" when a story character uses your >> >> name as a cover identity. >> > >> >My very bad. Of course it does. >> > >> >Stupidly I was thinking of the other thing - >> >but what's that called? >> >> Give us some hints. Is it bigger than a breadbox? Is it >> gainfully employed? > >Um... apparently it's Tuckerisation. Wikiepdia (which I should >actually read sometimes): "A tuckerization can also be the use >of a person's character or personal attributes with a new name >as an in-joke." > >Or alternatively an invitation to sue... How is Sue? > >Whereas taking the name was what got some of the Marx >Bothers into trouble when they went on radio as >"Beagle, Shyster and Beagle" - they heard from a >highly dissatisfied Beagle. You have to watch out for names when writing fiction One technique that's often recommended is to consult a telephone directory. If you find no example of the name you want, you're probably safe. If you find half a page full of the name you want, ditto. If you find ONE, better change it. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2016-12-02 08:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o1ruiq$gsd$1@panix3.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #452857 |
In article <1f3404be-3440-4565-851f-b98a99f8e865@googlegroups.com>, Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> said: > Whereas taking the name was what got some of the Marx Bothers > into trouble when they went on radio as "Beagle, Shyster and > Beagle" - they heard from a highly dissatisfied Beagle. I've always liked the law firm of Ipso, Facto, Null, & Void. -- wds
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| From | nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-05 18:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nt3ii1$9lv$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #452647 |
David Goldfarb <goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu> wrote: > In article <oECrE4.1rKn@kithrup.com>, > Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >>In article <yu6sk5jyuzd9$.xokr3alw02nt.dlg@40tude.net>, >>Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 23:48:49 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt >>><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oECCtD.xEu@kithrup.com> >>>in rec.arts.sf.written: >>> >>>[...] >>> >>>> "H as in Harry, E as in Egg, Y as in Yes, D as in Dog, T >>>> as in Telephone." >>> >>>Bo-o-oring! >>> >>>H as in Yuuge, E as in Eugenics, Y as in Ytterbium, D as in >>>Dnieper, T as in Theology. >>> >>Nope, not if I wanted it to get spelled right. > > Dorothy, I'm surprised you didn't take the opportunity to quote that > bit from a Saint novel: > "BEPPO. B for bdellium, E for eiderdown, P for psychology, P for > pneumonia, O for a muse of fire that would ascend the brightest > heaven of invention." I'm partial to what Barenaked Ladies did in their quite-listenable conversational song "Crazy ABCs" (complete list below). Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------- Taken from the lyrics to "Crazy ABCs" by Barenaked Ladies A is for aisle B is for bdellium C is for czar D is for djinn E for Euphrates F is for fohn G for Gnarly H is for hour I for irk J for jalapeno K is for knick-knack L is for llama* M for mnemonic N is for ngomo O is for ouija board P for pneumonia, pterodactyl and psychosis Q is for qat R is for R-gyle** S is for Saar T for tsunami U is for urn V for vraisemblance W for wren, wrinkly, and who. X is for Xian*** Y is for yperite, a very nasty gas. And zed's the final letter**** And by final, I mean last. *From the song, in conversation between two people, P1 and P2: "... P1) What's so strange about llama? P2) Llama, its starts with two L's. P1) What's the second one for? P2) No idea. P1) I know: loser. ..." **Also from the song, also in conversation between two people: "... 1) No, it isn't. 2) OK, you're right; I couldn't find a good "r" word." ..." ***The song immediately continues "... an ancient Chinese city, true! ..." ****The song immediately continues "... OK, when you say zed, For the benefit of our American friends You really mean Z, right? No I mean Zed, like, like Zed Zed Top. Zed Zed Top? Yeah, you know the guys with the big long beards, Well, except the guy whose name is Beard, He has a mustache I always thought that was interesting ..." and then some more witty conversation until it fades out
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-06 20:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <324evbpfan3ogoig2b2olrr155jc4e9pea@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #452647 |
On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 01:17:52 GMT, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David
Goldfarb) wrote:
[snip]
>Dorothy, I'm surprised you didn't take the opportunity to quote that
>bit from a Saint novel:
>"BEPPO. B for bdellium, E for eiderdown, P for psychology, P for
>pneumonia, O for a muse of fire that would ascend the brightest
>heaven of invention."
Bob Newhart had one, too, with an operator saying: "Kaplan: K as
in knight, A as in aardvark, P as in pneumonia [and it was pronounced
"NEW-mo-neee-ah"], L as as in llama, A as in aardvark again, N as in
[I forget]?" Newhart's response was a confused "I think so." I have
not been able to find it on the Web.
[snip]
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 10:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <aa77762c-6839-4e27-9517-acfad75ac49d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452404 |
On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 12:30:04 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <kqKdnQRl6sw6fnDKnZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@earthlink.com>, > David DeLaney <dbd@vic.com> wrote: > >On 2016-09-29, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > >> On the other hand, people are delighted when you can pronounce local > >> names correctly, like not butchering "La Jolla." > > > >They are even more delighted, I find, when you pronounce their name correctly > >without having heard it first. I get a few "You said my name right! Nobody EVER > >says it right!"s a week. > > > >Dave, but to balance that out, I'm apparently considered "such a NICE man" in > > the comments in the background as the phone's getting hung up > > Names are difficult. My maiden name was Jones. You'd think > anybody could spell and/or pronounce that, right? Nope. So when > I married I took my husband's name, which is Heydt. > > Nobody can spell or pronounce that either. So when my daughter > married, she took her husband's name, which is Creelman. > > Nobody ... et cetera. > > My son, on the other hand, changed his last name to Salazar > before he married. Salazar is his wife's mother's maiden name > and his wife, who's an actress, has been using that as her > professional name for years. So Tris changed his name to > Salazar, which he could afford to do, so that Erica, who > couldn't, could get her name change automatically (SSA gives you > a form to fill out). Ingenuity triumphs over bureaucracy. Nowadays, all the kids'll know Salazar Slytherin! Kevin R
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 19:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEC060.4vw@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452449 |
In article <aa77762c-6839-4e27-9517-acfad75ac49d@googlegroups.com>, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 12:30:04 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >> My son, on the other hand, changed his last name to Salazar >> before he married. Salazar is his wife's mother's maiden name >> and his wife, who's an actress, has been using that as her >> professional name for years. So Tris changed his name to >> Salazar, which he could afford to do, so that Erica, who >> couldn't, could get her name change automatically (SSA gives you >> a form to fill out). Ingenuity triumphs over bureaucracy. > >Nowadays, all the kids'll know Salazar Slytherin! Well, they are expecting a son in January, but I don't *think* that's what they plan to call him. I haven't asked. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 12:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a3etubp4n3sn5o905d1s2rrddvt4m25401@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #452404 |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 04:19:07 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:
[snip]
>Names are difficult. My maiden name was Jones. You'd think
>anybody could spell and/or pronounce that, right? Nope. So when
Piece of cake. "ho-NEZ". It is in Heinlein's _Time for the
Stars_. <GD&RVVF>
>I married I took my husband's name, which is Heydt.
[snip]
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 19:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEC133.77G@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452463 |
In article <a3etubp4n3sn5o905d1s2rrddvt4m25401@4ax.com>, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote: >On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 04:19:07 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J >Heydt) wrote: > >[snip] > >>Names are difficult. My maiden name was Jones. You'd think >>anybody could spell and/or pronounce that, right? Nope. So when > > Piece of cake. "ho-NEZ". It is in Heinlein's _Time for the >Stars_. <GD&RVVF> Yeah, I read that too. "How do you spell that" "Jota, o, ene, e, ese." Bet it took Heinlein a while to decode that, since IIRC he spoke no Spanish at all. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 03:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <133bga660y6e3.9ezcrucoa8dc$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #452400 |
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 23:01:43 -0500, David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in<news:kqKdnQRl6sw6fnDKnZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@earthlink.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > On 2016-09-29, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >> On the other hand, people are delighted when you can >> pronounce local names correctly, like not butchering >> "La Jolla." > They are even more delighted, I find, when you pronounce > their name correctly without having heard it first. I > get a few "You said my name right! Nobody EVER says it > right!"s a week. Quite a few years ago I had one student whose jaw visibly dropped when I pronounced her surname more or less correctly as I went through the roll the first time. I wasn’t really surprised when she said that it was literally the first time that a teacher had got it right: the name was <Xhunga>. It’s Albanian, and Albanian <xh> is pronounced like the <j> in <judge>. [...] Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 01:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #452387 |
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >I talk to people all day on the phone, from all over the USA >and sometimes from Canada. I speak to folks for whom English >is their first language, or their second, with many different >accents. Anyone who has had a job ike that can testify to how >difficult it can be to understand, or make yourself understood, >to someone who speaks a different base form of the language: >different language, different vocabulary, different customs. I once called someone in Louisiana over an undelivered mail order purchase, and even though we both thought we were speaking English neither of us could understand the other -- she found my New England accent just as impenetrable as I found her bayou accent. >One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, >demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be >horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an honorific. Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults HAD first names. But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It really, REALLY annoys me. In one case it was partly because they'd known my father and wanted to distinguish between us, so I cut them some slack, but usually it just irritated the hell out of me, and more than once I hung up or walked away if it continued after a couple of warnings. I am NOT "Mr. Lawrence." T.E. or D.H. Lawrence might be; I'm not. -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 05:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e56cv2FtpsuU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #452411 |
In article <pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org>, Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: >On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> >wrote: > >>I talk to people all day on the phone, from all over the USA >>and sometimes from Canada. I speak to folks for whom English >>is their first language, or their second, with many different >>accents. Anyone who has had a job ike that can testify to how >>difficult it can be to understand, or make yourself understood, >>to someone who speaks a different base form of the language: >>different language, different vocabulary, different customs. > >I once called someone in Louisiana over an undelivered mail order >purchase, and even though we both thought we were speaking English >neither of us could understand the other -- she found my New England >accent just as impenetrable as I found her bayou accent. > >>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, >>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be >>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. > >There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an >honorific. > >Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no >older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to >an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or >Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults >HAD first names. > >But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is >so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It >really, REALLY annoys me. > Yes. At least for friends of the family. We were always instructed to call a couple who were good friends of my father (and were my sister's Godparents) "Mr. Claude" & "Miss Irene". (Not "Mrs. Irene"). I don't believe it's that common anymore though. Also, teachers had a special form -- they were always "Miss Lastname" regardless of marital status. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | hamish.laws@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-09-29 22:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7bb89eff-7f0f-4da5-bb37-42292c615cf8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452412 |
On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 3:53:42 PM UTC+10, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: > In article <pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org>, > Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: > >On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> > >wrote: > > > >>I talk to people all day on the phone, from all over the USA > >>and sometimes from Canada. I speak to folks for whom English > >>is their first language, or their second, with many different > >>accents. Anyone who has had a job ike that can testify to how > >>difficult it can be to understand, or make yourself understood, > >>to someone who speaks a different base form of the language: > >>different language, different vocabulary, different customs. > > > >I once called someone in Louisiana over an undelivered mail order > >purchase, and even though we both thought we were speaking English > >neither of us could understand the other -- she found my New England > >accent just as impenetrable as I found her bayou accent. > > > >>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, > >>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be > >>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. > > > >There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an > >honorific. > > > >Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no > >older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to > >an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or > >Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults > >HAD first names. > > > >But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is > >so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It > >really, REALLY annoys me. > > > > Yes. At least for friends of the family. We were always instructed to > call a couple who were good friends of my father (and were my sister's > Godparents) "Mr. Claude" & "Miss Irene". (Not "Mrs. Irene"). I don't believe > it's that common anymore though. > > Also, teachers had a special form -- they were always "Miss Lastname" > regardless of marital status. or sex?
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