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| Started by | alal65536@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2016-09-20 04:13 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-12-05 08:19 -0800 |
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What if life were like fiction? alal65536@gmail.com - 2016-09-20 04:13 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 12:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-20 07:41 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 19:24 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-20 19:55 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-20 13:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-21 15:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-21 17:17 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-24 10:28 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? alal65536@gmail.com - 2016-09-20 09:02 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-20 10:39 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-20 19:25 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-21 11:25 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-09-24 13:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 16:31 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-09-24 20:33 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-25 01:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 19:54 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-09-25 06:25 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-25 03:40 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-09-25 23:10 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-26 00:01 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-25 18:25 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-26 14:16 +0300
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 10:06 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-26 15:34 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:33 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-26 20:00 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-27 06:02 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-27 13:19 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 12:25 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 18:08 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 19:13 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-27 09:50 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-27 14:07 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-27 08:21 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-27 14:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-27 07:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 10:43 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-27 07:47 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 12:57 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 12:45 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 14:21 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-27 18:02 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-26 12:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 16:10 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-09-26 04:02 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2016-09-27 07:31 +0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-26 19:38 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-26 18:20 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-27 00:30 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-26 23:16 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-27 12:44 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-27 10:36 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-27 14:54 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-27 17:31 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-28 00:51 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-28 03:33 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-28 12:00 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-28 14:15 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-29 01:03 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-29 16:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-29 16:31 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-29 19:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 00:17 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-29 23:01 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 04:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:16 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 16:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 14:04 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 23:48 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 21:44 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 05:03 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 01:17 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 23:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 04:35 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 05:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 02:20 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 13:42 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-02 11:50 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 20:07 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 20:44 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-10-02 22:56 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 23:50 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 19:20 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-02 15:44 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 23:51 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-03 11:23 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-03 20:52 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-02 08:56 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 18:59 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 20:05 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:15 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-09-30 12:12 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:35 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 03:48 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 01:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 05:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-09-29 22:59 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 06:05 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 03:51 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-30 07:13 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-30 16:12 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:37 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-01 00:14 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 05:53 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:49 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-09-30 15:20 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:36 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:53 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:12 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 12:42 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-09-30 18:00 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 11:02 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:29 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:26 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 16:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 00:03 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 23:53 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 08:05 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-10-02 01:57 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:52 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 14:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 14:09 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 08:23 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-09-30 18:01 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 12:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:24 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-09-30 21:47 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 00:02 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-01 16:18 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-02 02:33 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-30 10:58 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 12:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-01 00:19 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 01:42 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-01 06:11 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 02:30 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 06:46 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 14:50 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 19:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 16:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 15:45 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 16:16 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 18:21 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 22:21 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-10-02 01:28 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-01 19:00 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-02 01:36 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 19:06 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-05 15:55 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-05 13:06 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-05 16:29 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-05 18:55 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:51 -0300
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-08 13:49 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-08 14:55 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-08 18:41 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-09 04:31 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-09 07:16 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 10:41 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-09 09:28 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-09 20:08 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 15:24 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-09 15:34 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-09 17:10 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-10 01:15 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-10 12:42 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-10 11:14 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-10 11:27 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 11:48 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 00:31 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2016-12-03 18:06 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-03 18:43 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2016-12-03 20:37 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-03 13:28 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 22:29 +0200
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-04 22:30 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-12-03 12:18 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-11 00:30 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-10-09 23:06 +0100
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-10 07:08 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:50 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-10 08:14 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 06:01 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 02:54 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 06:31 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 19:22 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-30 14:14 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-10-05 19:04 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 00:09 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 04:04 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-30 12:56 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 09:38 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 16:01 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 19:56 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-30 21:52 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-09-30 23:57 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 00:52 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 00:57 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-01 12:50 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-10-11 22:48 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-12 01:03 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-01 08:49 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 14:12 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-01 11:45 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-01 14:56 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-01 11:26 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-01 11:44 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-01 15:49 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-01 22:22 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-02 10:01 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-02 14:25 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-02 20:46 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2016-10-02 15:12 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-28 12:50 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-09-28 14:06 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-28 11:56 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-28 09:31 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 09:45 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-09-28 11:53 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 11:57 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-28 17:51 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-09-28 19:02 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-28 19:51 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 21:52 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-30 09:06 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-29 17:34 +0300
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-28 11:43 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 01:52 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-26 10:02 -0400
Re: What if life were like fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-09-27 11:24 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? Madawc Williams <madawcnow@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 09:19 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-04 17:24 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-12-04 10:15 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-05 10:31 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-12-04 18:19 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-12-04 13:42 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 18:20 -0600
Re: What if life were like fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-05 00:36 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-04 22:43 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-05 12:18 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-04 22:34 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-12-04 22:14 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-12-05 09:22 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-05 00:03 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-05 10:33 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-05 11:20 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-12-05 19:31 +0000
Re: What if life were like fiction? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-05 14:49 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-05 14:53 -0800
Re: What if life were like fiction? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-05 12:35 -0700
Re: What if life were like fiction? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-05 10:37 -0500
Re: What if life were like fiction? mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2016-12-05 08:19 -0800
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 06:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e56dkuFtv2mU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #452414 |
In article <7bb89eff-7f0f-4da5-bb37-42292c615cf8@googlegroups.com>, <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote: >On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 3:53:42 PM UTC+10, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >> In article ><pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org>, >> Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: >> >On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> >> >wrote: >> > >> >>I talk to people all day on the phone, from all over the USA >> >>and sometimes from Canada. I speak to folks for whom English >> >>is their first language, or their second, with many different >> >>accents. Anyone who has had a job ike that can testify to how >> >>difficult it can be to understand, or make yourself understood, >> >>to someone who speaks a different base form of the language: >> >>different language, different vocabulary, different customs. >> > >> >I once called someone in Louisiana over an undelivered mail order >> >purchase, and even though we both thought we were speaking English >> >neither of us could understand the other -- she found my New England >> >accent just as impenetrable as I found her bayou accent. >> > >> >>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, >> >>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be >> >>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. >> > >> >There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an >> >honorific. >> > >> >Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no >> >older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to >> >an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or >> >Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults >> >HAD first names. >> > >> >But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is >> >so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It >> >really, REALLY annoys me. >> > >> >> Yes. At least for friends of the family. We were always instructed to >> call a couple who were good friends of my father (and were my sister's >> Godparents) "Mr. Claude" & "Miss Irene". (Not "Mrs. Irene"). I don't believe >> it's that common anymore though. >> >> Also, teachers had a special form -- they were always "Miss Lastname" >> regardless of marital status. > >or sex? That essentially was not an issue in elementary school. Apparently it's still only an issue 2.8% of the time today. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 03:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <snp208ulkk96$.17f1ytk48lpuo$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #452416 |
On 30 Sep 2016 06:05:18 GMT, "Ted Nolan <tednolan>" <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote in<news:e56dkuFtv2mU1@mid.individual.net> in rec.arts.sf.written: > In article <7bb89eff-7f0f-4da5-bb37-42292c615cf8@googlegroups.com>, > <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 3:53:42 PM UTC+10, Ted >> Nolan <tednolan> wrote: [...] >>> Also, teachers had a special form -- they were always >>> "Miss Lastname" regardless of marital status. >> or sex? > That essentially was not an issue in elementary school. > Apparently it's still only an issue 2.8% of the time > today. I don’t think that I quite realized at the time how unusual it was, especially back in the late 1950s, that I had two male teachers in the first six grades, in fourth and sixth grades. Both were very good teachers, too. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 07:13 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <e576noF59isU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #452425 |
"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >On 30 Sep 2016 06:05:18 GMT, "Ted Nolan <tednolan>" >> <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 3:53:42 PM UTC+10, Ted >>> Nolan <tednolan> wrote: > >[...] > >>>> Also, teachers had a special form -- they were always >>>> "Miss Lastname" regardless of marital status. > >>> or sex? > >> That essentially was not an issue in elementary school. >> Apparently it's still only an issue 2.8% of the time >> today. > >I don’t think that I quite realized at the time how unusual >it was, especially back in the late 1950s, that I had two >male teachers in the first six grades, in fourth and sixth >grades. Both were very good teachers, too. Hmmm. Didn't even know that was supposed to be a stereotype. My elementary school went to Grade 7. I had female teachers for 1 & 2. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 12:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEBIGH.15Cp@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452412 |
In article <e56cv2FtpsuU1@mid.individual.net>, Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >In article <pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org>, >Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: >>On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> >>wrote: >> >>>I talk to people all day on the phone, from all over the USA >>>and sometimes from Canada. I speak to folks for whom English >>>is their first language, or their second, with many different >>>accents. Anyone who has had a job ike that can testify to how >>>difficult it can be to understand, or make yourself understood, >>>to someone who speaks a different base form of the language: >>>different language, different vocabulary, different customs. >> >>I once called someone in Louisiana over an undelivered mail order >>purchase, and even though we both thought we were speaking English >>neither of us could understand the other -- she found my New England >>accent just as impenetrable as I found her bayou accent. >> >>>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, >>>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be >>>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. >> >>There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an >>honorific. >> >>Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no >>older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to >>an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or >>Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults >>HAD first names. >> >>But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is >>so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It >>really, REALLY annoys me. >> > >Yes. At least for friends of the family. We were always instructed to >call a couple who were good friends of my father (and were my sister's >Godparents) "Mr. Claude" & "Miss Irene". (Not "Mrs. Irene"). I don't believe >it's that common anymore though. > >Also, teachers had a special form -- they were always "Miss Lastname" >regardless of marital status. Oh, when I was in school (as I said upthread, about 65 years ago) they were always Miss Lastname because after they got married they quit teaching. I did have one teacher who got married at Christmas, and we had to learn her married name. (And no, she didn't, as they would've said back then, "have" to get married, because she definitely would've been showing by June, and she wasn't.) -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 16:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e57h85F7pl1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #452428 |
In article <oEBIGH.15Cp@kithrup.com>, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >In article <e56cv2FtpsuU1@mid.individual.net>, >Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >>In article <pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org>, >>Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: >>>On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>I talk to people all day on the phone, from all over the USA >>>>and sometimes from Canada. I speak to folks for whom English >>>>is their first language, or their second, with many different >>>>accents. Anyone who has had a job ike that can testify to how >>>>difficult it can be to understand, or make yourself understood, >>>>to someone who speaks a different base form of the language: >>>>different language, different vocabulary, different customs. >>> >>>I once called someone in Louisiana over an undelivered mail order >>>purchase, and even though we both thought we were speaking English >>>neither of us could understand the other -- she found my New England >>>accent just as impenetrable as I found her bayou accent. >>> >>>>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, >>>>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be >>>>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. >>> >>>There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an >>>honorific. >>> >>>Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no >>>older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to >>>an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or >>>Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults >>>HAD first names. >>> >>>But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is >>>so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It >>>really, REALLY annoys me. >>> >> >>Yes. At least for friends of the family. We were always instructed to >>call a couple who were good friends of my father (and were my sister's >>Godparents) "Mr. Claude" & "Miss Irene". (Not "Mrs. Irene"). I don't believe >>it's that common anymore though. >> >>Also, teachers had a special form -- they were always "Miss Lastname" >>regardless of marital status. > >Oh, when I was in school (as I said upthread, about 65 years ago) >they were always Miss Lastname because after they got married >they quit teaching. I did have one teacher who got married at >Christmas, and we had to learn her married name. (And no, she >didn't, as they would've said back then, "have" to get married, >because she definitely would've been showing by June, and she >wasn't.) > Schulz did an ongoing series of strips about Linus's infatuation with his teacher "Miss Othmar" which included her eventual marriage. When Charlie Brown questioned his continued use of the name "Miss Othmar", Linus insisted that that was her real name and the rest was a lot of hokum (essentially, obviously funnier when he Schulz did it). I don't think he ever did get the egg shells to her.. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 12:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <h55tubteonntebb96tf8l74ji8gftml5s5@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #452428 |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:53:05 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >In article <e56cv2FtpsuU1@mid.individual.net>, >Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >>In article <pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org>, >> >>Also, teachers had a special form -- they were always "Miss Lastname" >>regardless of marital status. > >Oh, when I was in school (as I said upthread, about 65 years ago) >they were always Miss Lastname because after they got married >they quit teaching. I did have one teacher who got married at >Christmas, and we had to learn her married name. (And no, she >didn't, as they would've said back then, "have" to get married, >because she definitely would've been showing by June, and she >wasn't.) We had some married teachers. Also at least one widow. They were definitely "Mrs." -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 00:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <F9ydnabdrKPS23LKnZ2dnUU7-IOdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #452428 |
On 2016-09-30, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: > Oh, when I was in school (as I said upthread, about 65 years ago) > they were always Miss Lastname because after they got married > they quit teaching. I did have one teacher who got married at > Christmas, and we had to learn her married name. (And no, she > didn't, as they would've said back then, "have" to get married, > because she definitely would've been showing by June, and she wasn't.) Um, er. unless she lost it in march or april... Dave, another thing they wouldn't ever have told the kids in her class about -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> website on VIC is down, probably for good - oh well/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 05:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oECtp3.1w6w@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452519 |
In article <F9ydnabdrKPS23LKnZ2dnUU7-IOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, David DeLaney <dbd@vic.com> wrote: >On 2016-09-30, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >> Oh, when I was in school (as I said upthread, about 65 years ago) >> they were always Miss Lastname because after they got married >> they quit teaching. I did have one teacher who got married at >> Christmas, and we had to learn her married name. (And no, she >> didn't, as they would've said back then, "have" to get married, >> because she definitely would've been showing by June, and she wasn't.) > >Um, er. unless she lost it in march or april... > >Dave, another thing they wouldn't ever have told the kids in her class about Except she'd probably have had to take a few sick days off, and I don't recall her ever being sick. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 12:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEBIAq.14xL@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452411 |
In article <pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org>, Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: > >>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, >>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be >>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. > >There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an >honorific. Do they come from the Deep South? > >Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no >older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to >an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or >Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults >HAD first names. And then there are the adults who, if you call them Mr. Lastname, say, "Oh, no, that's my father, call me Fred." > >But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is >so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It >really, REALLY annoys me. Whereas in the schools my grandson has attended (at eight, he's been in four: they keep moving him), the children generally address the teachers as Ms. or Mr. Firstname. When I was a schoolkid, 65 years or so ago, it was always Miss or Mr. Lastname. But I think the use of Miss or Mr. Firstname has a history, because there were kids' television programs way back when that used that form. (N.B. that was when most television was shot in New York. Any elderly New Yorkers remember that usage?) > -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 15:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160930a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #452427 |
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> In article <pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote:
>>
>>>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr,
>>>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be
>>>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname.
>>
>>There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an
>>honorific.
>
> Do they come from the Deep South?
Don't people in the Deep North use Mister/Miss/Mrs to denote a higher
rank of domestic servant? (First names are used for the lowest rank?)
Thank you,
--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU
Well done, thou good and faithful servant . . . enter thou into the
joy of they lord. - Matthew
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 19:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEC0D9.5B2@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452434 |
In article <20160930a@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >> In article ><pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org>, >> Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: >>> >>>>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, >>>>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be >>>>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. >>> >>>There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an >>>honorific. >> >> Do they come from the Deep South? > >Don't people in the Deep North use Mister/Miss/Mrs to denote a higher >rank of domestic servant? (First names are used for the lowest rank?) Now, usage in the Northeast US I don't know about. The custom in the UK (back when people you knew might still have domestic servants) seems to have been that the butler was called "Lastname" by his employer and "Mr. Lastname" by the rest of the staff. The head housekeeper was always called "Mrs. Lastname" regardless of whether she had ever been married or not. Personal servants, valets and ladies' maids, were called by their last names without title, and the other servants by their first names. Or so I have gathered from prewar murder mysteries. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 12:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <i35tub169f1hphd71tvu7tuepuhhnfhh9l@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #452427 |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:49:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >In article <pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org>, >Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: >> >>>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, >>>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be >>>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. >> >>There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an >>honorific. > >Do they come from the Deep South? Some, but others are from the Midwest. -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 10:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a9f661a4-a8a2-469b-b29a-04208fc13055@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452427 |
On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 9:00:03 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org>, > Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: > > > >>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, > >>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be > >>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. > > > >There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an > >honorific. > > Do they come from the Deep South? > > > >Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no > >older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to > >an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or > >Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults > >HAD first names. > > And then there are the adults who, if you call them Mr. Lastname, > say, "Oh, no, that's my father, call me Fred." > > > >But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is > >so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It > >really, REALLY annoys me. > > Whereas in the schools my grandson has attended (at eight, he's > been in four: they keep moving him), the children generally > address the teachers as Ms. or Mr. Firstname. When I was a > schoolkid, 65 years or so ago, it was always Miss or Mr. > Lastname. But I think the use of Miss or Mr. Firstname has a > history, because there were kids' television programs way back > when that used that form. > > (N.B. that was when most television was shot in New York. Any > elderly New Yorkers remember that usage?) > > I'm pushing 60, and am originally from Long Island. Miss (Firstname) was what the hostesses of Romper Room were always called. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romper_Room Some cities, like New York, had their own version, so YMMV, depending on where you grew up, and whether your local broadcaster used the national feed, or not. Kevin R
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| From | Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 11:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6937C4743379melchizedek@216.166.97.131> |
| In reply to | #452411 |
Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote in news:pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> > wrote: > >>I talk to people all day on the phone, from all over the USA >>and sometimes from Canada. I speak to folks for whom English >>is their first language, or their second, with many different >>accents. Anyone who has had a job ike that can testify to how >>difficult it can be to understand, or make yourself understood, >>to someone who speaks a different base form of the language: >>different language, different vocabulary, different customs. > > I once called someone in Louisiana over an undelivered mail order > purchase, and even though we both thought we were speaking English > neither of us could understand the other -- she found my New England > accent just as impenetrable as I found her bayou accent. > >>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, >>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be >>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. > > There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an > honorific. > > Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no > older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to > an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or > Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults > HAD first names. > > But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is > so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It > really, REALLY annoys me. > > In one case it was partly because they'd known my father and wanted to > distinguish between us, so I cut them some slack, but usually it just > irritated the hell out of me, and more than once I hung up or walked > away if it continued after a couple of warnings. I am NOT "Mr. > Lawrence." T.E. or D.H. Lawrence might be; I'm not. When I was living in Britain in the 60s, as a tween, I sometimes got 'Master Peter' or 'Master Trei', usually be people (especially retailers) who'd want to ingratiate themselves. This came from adults, and felt very weird to a 12 year old American. I even got mail addressed to 'Master P. Trei, Esq'. The honorific was also *sometimes* used by schoolteachers, but only ironically, or to indicate that I was in trouble. pt
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 12:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <aa5tublvhag9odvo3v2q0flhh9p8n8vsce@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #452438 |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:12:49 -0500, Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote in >news:pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org: > >> There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an >> honorific. >> >> Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no >> older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to >> an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or >> Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults >> HAD first names. >> >> But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is >> so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It >> really, REALLY annoys me. > >When I was living in Britain in the 60s, as a tween, I sometimes got >'Master Peter' or 'Master Trei', usually be people (especially >retailers) who'd want to ingratiate themselves. This came from adults, >and felt very weird to a 12 year old American. I even got mail addressed >to 'Master P. Trei, Esq'. > >The honorific was also *sometimes* used by schoolteachers, but only >ironically, or to indicate that I was in trouble. I was told about the "Master" usage by my parents, but never encountered it in the wild. Both my grandmothers were English by birth (and dead by the time I was born), and my father was partly raised by an extremely Anglophilic aunt, which may be why they were familiar with it. -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
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| From | news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 18:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1muehsc.1ylv2teau8bkxN%news{@bestley.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #452443 |
Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: > On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:12:49 -0500, Cryptoengineer > <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote in > >news:pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org: > > > >> There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an > >> honorific. > >> > >> Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no > >> older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to > >> an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or > >> Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults > >> HAD first names. > >> > >> But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is > >> so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It > >> really, REALLY annoys me. Being English Mr [FIRSTNAME] seems to be used by Indians (yes I have just had to rung a service centre but I have heard it used by other people) > > > >When I was living in Britain in the 60s, as a tween, I sometimes got > >'Master Peter' or 'Master Trei', usually be people (especially > >retailers) who'd want to ingratiate themselves. This came from adults, > >and felt very weird to a 12 year old American. I even got mail addressed > >to 'Master P. Trei, Esq'. > > > >The honorific was also *sometimes* used by schoolteachers, but only > >ironically, or to indicate that I was in trouble. Yes that is what it is used for :) the equivalent of Miss. Note Esq was a common thing to be added to formal mail addresses (so the US view oof that being for lawyers let alone the court cases makes me laugh) -- Mark
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 11:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <62c4f44e-b611-4bcc-8a7e-21f63753c232@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452444 |
On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 1:01:34 PM UTC-4, Mark Bestley wrote: > Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: > > > On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:12:49 -0500, Cryptoengineer > > <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote in > > >news:pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org: > > > > > >> There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an > > >> honorific. > > >> > > >> Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no > > >> older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to > > >> an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or > > >> Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults > > >> HAD first names. > > >> > > >> But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is > > >> so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It > > >> really, REALLY annoys me. > > Being English Mr [FIRSTNAME] seems to be used by Indians (yes I have > just had to rung a service centre but I have heard it used by other > people) > > > > > > >When I was living in Britain in the 60s, as a tween, I sometimes got > > >'Master Peter' or 'Master Trei', usually be people (especially > > >retailers) who'd want to ingratiate themselves. This came from adults, > > >and felt very weird to a 12 year old American. I even got mail addressed > > >to 'Master P. Trei, Esq'. > > > > > >The honorific was also *sometimes* used by schoolteachers, but only > > >ironically, or to indicate that I was in trouble. > > Yes that is what it is used for :) the equivalent of Miss. > > Note Esq was a common thing to be added to formal mail addresses (so the > US view oof that being for lawyers let alone the court cases makes me > laugh) > My WWII generation parents knew of the "Master" formulation for minor male human beings, and would use it, when mailing a birthday card to one of my cousins, for instance. Kevin R
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 19:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEC0sE.6ED@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452444 |
In article <1muehsc.1ylv2teau8bkxN%news{@bestley.co.uk>,
Mark Bestley <news{@bestley.co.uk> wrote:
>Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:12:49 -0500, Cryptoengineer
>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote in
>> >news:pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org:
>> >
>> >> There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an
>> >> honorific.
>> >>
>> >> Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no
>> >> older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to
>> >> an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or
>> >> Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults
>> >> HAD first names.
>> >>
>> >> But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is
>> >> so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It
>> >> really, REALLY annoys me.
>
>Being English Mr [FIRSTNAME] seems to be used by Indians (yes I have
>just had to rung a service centre but I have heard it used by other
>people)
>
>> >
>> >When I was living in Britain in the 60s, as a tween, I sometimes got
>> >'Master Peter' or 'Master Trei', usually be people (especially
>> >retailers) who'd want to ingratiate themselves. This came from adults,
>> >and felt very weird to a 12 year old American. I even got mail addressed
>> >to 'Master P. Trei, Esq'.
>> >
>> >The honorific was also *sometimes* used by schoolteachers, but only
>> >ironically, or to indicate that I was in trouble.
>
>Yes that is what it is used for :) the equivalent of Miss.
>
>Note Esq was a common thing to be added to formal mail addresses (so the
>US view oof that being for lawyers let alone the court cases makes me
>laugh)
Yeah, in the UK it means, or used to mean, that you haven't any
other title such as Lord or The Honourable. In the US it means
you're a lawyer.
My daughter, who's job-hunting, recently got a letter of
recommendation from a friend of hers who is a lawyer. (The
letter stated she can practically walk on water.) And it was
signed Firstname Lastname, Esq.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 19:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEC0nr.64H@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #452438 |
In article <XnsA6937C4743379melchizedek@216.166.97.131>, Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote in >news:pcurubdl69ptclkvaksoqj4vqef7nh548g@reader80.eternal-september.org: > >> On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> >> wrote: >> >>>I talk to people all day on the phone, from all over the USA >>>and sometimes from Canada. I speak to folks for whom English >>>is their first language, or their second, with many different >>>accents. Anyone who has had a job ike that can testify to how >>>difficult it can be to understand, or make yourself understood, >>>to someone who speaks a different base form of the language: >>>different language, different vocabulary, different customs. >> >> I once called someone in Louisiana over an undelivered mail order >> purchase, and even though we both thought we were speaking English >> neither of us could understand the other -- she found my New England >> accent just as impenetrable as I found her bayou accent. >> >>>One custom is offended if you use an honorific such as Ms or Mr, >>>demanding you use his or her first name. Someone else would be >>>horrified if you didn't "Miz" every use of her surname. >> >> There are people who call me "Mr. Lawrence" and think it's an >> honorific. >> >> Where I grew up, Mr. [FIRSTNAME] meant you were a child, probably no >> older than thirteen, being addressed by an adult; using that form to >> an adult was a deliberate insult. Adults were always, always Mr. (or >> Ms.) [LASTNAME]. When I was little I wasn't really sure all adults >> HAD first names. >> >> But apparently in at least parts of the South and Midwest the usage is >> so ingrained that I can't make them stop or switch to "Mr. Evans." It >> really, REALLY annoys me. >> >> In one case it was partly because they'd known my father and wanted to >> distinguish between us, so I cut them some slack, but usually it just >> irritated the hell out of me, and more than once I hung up or walked >> away if it continued after a couple of warnings. I am NOT "Mr. >> Lawrence." T.E. or D.H. Lawrence might be; I'm not. > >When I was living in Britain in the 60s, as a tween, I sometimes got >'Master Peter' or 'Master Trei', usually be people (especially >retailers) who'd want to ingratiate themselves. This came from adults, >and felt very weird to a 12 year old American. I even got mail addressed >to 'Master P. Trei, Esq'. > >The honorific was also *sometimes* used by schoolteachers, but only >ironically, or to indicate that I was in trouble. Whereas (if I can believe Angela Thirkell) you and your brothers were all at school together, you'd be called Trei Major, Trei Minor, and Trei Minimus. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 16:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rmjtubd03b3ujp124hckbvdt9tbqdkrjua@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #452469 |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:26:15 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >Whereas (if I can believe Angela Thirkell) you and your brothers >were all at school together, you'd be called Trei Major, Trei >Minor, and Trei Minimus. Depends on the school; from my own reading, it might also be Trei Primus, Trei Secundus, and Trei Tertius. Which works better than "Major/Minor/Minimus" when you get families with more than three sons. -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
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