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  _Dune_ quoted in political article djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-09 00:13 +0000
    Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-08 19:33 -0500
      Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-06-09 00:46 +0000
      Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-09 03:05 +0000
      Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-09 03:36 +0000
      Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-06-08 23:14 -0700
        Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-06-09 19:27 +0100
    Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-09 09:32 -0400
      Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-09 18:23 +0000
        Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 11:46 -0700
      Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2016-06-09 14:14 -0500
        Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 12:52 -0700
        Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-10 02:09 +0000
          Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2016-06-09 22:33 -0500
          Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 23:08 -0500
            Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-06-10 05:16 -0700
              Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-06-10 18:53 +0100
            Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-06-11 05:36 -0700
          Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-06-10 23:00 -0600
    Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article synthius2002@yahoo.com - 2016-06-14 14:37 -0700
      Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-06-14 14:45 -0700
        Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-14 23:15 +0000
          Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2016-06-14 16:35 -0700
            Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-15 00:12 +0000
              Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-06-14 20:02 -0700
      Re: _Dune_ quoted in political article djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-14 23:15 +0000

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#441532 — _Dune_ quoted in political article

Today on Slate:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/why_can_t_republicans_distance_themselves_from_donald_trump.html

"Because they're afraid."

The author goes on to say, "Fear is the mind-killer, and Trump
has scrambled Republicans' ability to think clearly about their
dilemma."

Whereupon the top commenter replies,

"Donald Trump is the GOP's gom jabbar.  If they keep their hand
in the box, they will continue to feel pain.  If they pull their
hand out, they will kill the party."

[or possibly both.]

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#441533

On 6/8/2016 7:13 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> Today on Slate:
>
> http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/why_can_t_republicans_distance_themselves_from_donald_trump.html
>
> "Because they're afraid."
>
> The author goes on to say, "Fear is the mind-killer, and Trump
> has scrambled Republicans' ability to think clearly about their
> dilemma."
>
> Whereupon the top commenter replies,
>
> "Donald Trump is the GOP's gom jabbar.  If they keep their hand
> in the box, they will continue to feel pain.  If they pull their
> hand out, they will kill the party."
>
> [or possibly both.]

Cool!  But only for the 10% of the population that has read _Dune_ AND remembers the gom jabbar.

Lynn

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#441534

In article <njadge$mc9$1@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire  <lmc@winsim.com> wrote:

>Cool!  But only for the 10% of the population that has read _Dune_ AND
>remembers the gom jabbar.

Once someone in this very newsgroup made the connection between that
and the dentist's "gum jabber" I've been unable to forget.

-GAWollman

-- 
Garrett A. Wollman    | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wollman@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers.         | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993

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#441545

Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> wrote:
> On 6/8/2016 7:13 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> Today on Slate:
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/why_can_t_republicans_distance_themselves_from_donald_trump.html
>>
>> "Because they're afraid."
>>
>> The author goes on to say, "Fear is the mind-killer, and Trump
>> has scrambled Republicans' ability to think clearly about their
>> dilemma."
>>
>> Whereupon the top commenter replies,
>>
>> "Donald Trump is the GOP's gom jabbar.  If they keep their hand
>> in the box, they will continue to feel pain.  If they pull their
>> hand out, they will kill the party."
>>
>> [or possibly both.]
>
> Cool!  But only for the 10% of the population that has read _Dune_ AND
> remembers the gom jabbar.

Trump as Baron Vladimir Harkonnen seems a natural to me. But Trump as
the Emperor is as good as it gets. [1] Trump's also known as the Emperor
Troll. [2] It's Hillary Harkonnen for leftovers.

Note.

1. http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-comedic-summary-of-whatever-the-hell-happens-in-dune-1764525343
2. http://techcrunch.com/2016/06/05/innovate2016-for-cuny-professor-jeff-jarvis-donald-trump-is-the-emperor-troll/

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU

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#441548

In article <njadge$mc9$1@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire  <lmc@winsim.com> wrote:
>On 6/8/2016 7:13 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> Today on Slate:
>>
>>
>http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/why_can_t_republicans_distance_themselves_from_donald_trump.html
>>
>> "Because they're afraid."
>>
>> The author goes on to say, "Fear is the mind-killer, and Trump
>> has scrambled Republicans' ability to think clearly about their
>> dilemma."
>>
>> Whereupon the top commenter replies,
>>
>> "Donald Trump is the GOP's gom jabbar.  If they keep their hand
>> in the box, they will continue to feel pain.  If they pull their
>> hand out, they will kill the party."
>>
>> [or possibly both.]
>
>Cool!  But only for the 10% of the population that has read _Dune_ AND
>remembers the gom jabbar.

Well, that's most of us here, innit?

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#441555

On Thursday, 9 June 2016 01:33:21 UTC+1, Lynn McGuire  wrote:
> On 6/8/2016 7:13 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > Today on Slate:
> >
> > http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/why_can_t_republicans_distance_themselves_from_donald_trump.html
> >
> > "Because they're afraid."
> >
> > The author goes on to say, "Fear is the mind-killer, and Trump
> > has scrambled Republicans' ability to think clearly about their
> > dilemma."
> >
> > Whereupon the top commenter replies,
> >
> > "Donald Trump is the GOP's gom jabbar.  If they keep their hand
> > in the box, they will continue to feel pain.  If they pull their
> > hand out, they will kill the party."
> >
> > [or possibly both.]
> 
> Cool!  But only for the 10% of the population that has read _Dune_ AND remembers the gom jabbar.

AND reads _Slate_ - but I think they know their audience.

Or, there are at least two movies that they may have seen.
Just so they associate it with the word "Sting".

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#441613

On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 23:14:17 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 9 June 2016 01:33:21 UTC+1, Lynn McGuire  wrote:
>> On 6/8/2016 7:13 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> > Today on Slate:
>> >
>> > http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/why_can_t_republicans_distance_themselves_from_donald_trump.html
>> >
>> > "Because they're afraid."
>> >
>> > The author goes on to say, "Fear is the mind-killer, and Trump
>> > has scrambled Republicans' ability to think clearly about their
>> > dilemma."
>> >
>> > Whereupon the top commenter replies,
>> >
>> > "Donald Trump is the GOP's gom jabbar.  If they keep their hand
>> > in the box, they will continue to feel pain.  If they pull their
>> > hand out, they will kill the party."
>> >
>> > [or possibly both.]
>> 
>> Cool!  But only for the 10% of the population that has read _Dune_ AND remembers the gom jabbar.
>
>AND reads _Slate_ - but I think they know their audience.
>
>Or, there are at least two movies that they may have seen.
>Just so they associate it with the word "Sting".

Which reminds me:
<https://kitchenoverlord.com/2015/12/05/vintage-dune-coloring-pages-for-nihilistic-children/>.

-- 
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

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#441583

On 6/8/16 8:13 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> Today on Slate:
>
> http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/why_can_t_republicans_distance_themselves_from_donald_trump.html
>
> "Because they're afraid."
>
> The author goes on to say, "Fear is the mind-killer, and Trump
> has scrambled Republicans' ability to think clearly about their
> dilemma."
>
> Whereupon the top commenter replies,
>
> "Donald Trump is the GOP's gom jabbar.  If they keep their hand
> in the box, they will continue to feel pain.  If they pull their
> hand out, they will kill the party."
>
> [or possibly both.]
>

	"You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you will die!... 
have a pleasant flight."


-- 
                      Sea Wasp
                        /^\
                        ;;;	
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com  Blog: 
http://seawasp.livejournal.com

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#441615

In article <njbr6b$5ao$1@dont-email.me>,
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>On 6/8/16 8:13 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> Today on Slate:
>>
>>
>http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/why_can_t_republicans_distance_themselves_from_donald_trump.html
>>
>> "Because they're afraid."
>>
>> The author goes on to say, "Fear is the mind-killer, and Trump
>> has scrambled Republicans' ability to think clearly about their
>> dilemma."
>>
>> Whereupon the top commenter replies,
>>
>> "Donald Trump is the GOP's gom jabbar.  If they keep their hand
>> in the box, they will continue to feel pain.  If they pull their
>> hand out, they will kill the party."
>>
>> [or possibly both.]
>>
>
>	"You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you will die!... 
>have a pleasant flight."
>
All right; what's that from?

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#441620

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 2:30:04 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <njbr6b$5ao$1@dont-email.me>,
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >On 6/8/16 8:13 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> Today on Slate:
> >>
> >>
> >http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/why_can_t_republicans_distance_themselves_from_donald_trump.html
> >>
> >> "Because they're afraid."
> >>
> >> The author goes on to say, "Fear is the mind-killer, and Trump
> >> has scrambled Republicans' ability to think clearly about their
> >> dilemma."
> >>
> >> Whereupon the top commenter replies,
> >>
> >> "Donald Trump is the GOP's gom jabbar.  If they keep their hand
> >> in the box, they will continue to feel pain.  If they pull their
> >> hand out, they will kill the party."
> >>
> >> [or possibly both.]
> >>
> >
> >	"You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you will die!... 
> >have a pleasant flight."
> >
> All right; what's that from?

Babylon 5, 'Parliament of Dreams', spoken to an incompetent Narn assassin who
has just been made a target of his own Guild. 

pt

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#441623

"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> 
>        "You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you will die!... 
> have a pleasant flight."
>

Dude, not cool. Add a spoiler warning next time, okay? 

-- 
Leif Roar Moldskred

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#441627

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 3:14:27 PM UTC-4, leif...@dimnakorr.com wrote:
> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> > 
> >        "You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you will die!... 
> > have a pleasant flight."

> Dude, not cool. Add a spoiler warning next time, okay? 

I assume that's addressed to me, in which case, you're right. My apologies.

pt

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#441637

In article <s7idnXzfNMGTXcTKnZ2dnUU78KOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 <leif.roar@dimnakorr.com> wrote:
>"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> 
>>        "You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you will die!... 
>> have a pleasant flight."
>>
>
>Dude, not cool. Add a spoiler warning next time, okay? 

B-5 ran WHEN?  My kids were still kids then.  There comes a time
when you don't need to spoiler that _Alice in Wonderland_ was a
dream or that Lancelot and Guinevere both went into monasteries.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#441642

Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> In article <s7idnXzfNMGTXcTKnZ2dnUU78KOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> <leif.roar@dimnakorr.com> wrote:
>>"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>        "You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you will die!... 
>>> have a pleasant flight."
>>>
>>
>>Dude, not cool. Add a spoiler warning next time, okay? 
> 
> B-5 ran WHEN? 

I didn't mean spoilers for Babylon 5. I meant spoilers for life in
general.

-- 
Leif Roar Moldskred
"What is the meaning of life?"
"It ends."

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#441647

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:o8J9zL.1vBI@kithrup.com: 

> In article <s7idnXzfNMGTXcTKnZ2dnUU78KOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  <leif.roar@dimnakorr.com> wrote:
>>"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>        "You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you
>>>        will die!... 
>>> have a pleasant flight."
>>>
>>
>>Dude, not cool. Add a spoiler warning next time, okay? 
> 
> B-5 ran WHEN?  My kids were still kids then.  There comes a time
> when you don't need to spoiler that _Alice in Wonderland_ was a
> dream or that Lancelot and Guinevere both went into monasteries.
> 

The relevent show ran in 1994, 22 years ago. Since people still
expect spoiler warnings for Citizen Kane (75 years ago), I didn't
think it was totally out of line to ask for an SW.

pt

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#441674

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-4, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
> news:o8J9zL.1vBI@kithrup.com: 
> 
> > In article <s7idnXzfNMGTXcTKnZ2dnUU78KOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  <leif.roar@dimnakorr.com> wrote:
> >>"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>        "You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you
> >>>        will die!... 
> >>> have a pleasant flight."
> >>>
> >>
> >>Dude, not cool. Add a spoiler warning next time, okay? 
> > 
> > B-5 ran WHEN?  My kids were still kids then.  There comes a time
> > when you don't need to spoiler that _Alice in Wonderland_ was a
> > dream or that Lancelot and Guinevere both went into monasteries.
> > 
> 
> The relevent show ran in 1994, 22 years ago. Since people still
> expect spoiler warnings for Citizen Kane (75 years ago), I didn't
> think it was totally out of line to ask for an SW.
> 
> pt

I'm still ticked at Charles Schulz for having Lucy spoil the
Rosebud McGuffin for Linus in a Sunday Peanuts.  I knew of
the movie, but it only ever aired on the Late Late show,
and my bedtime was significantly earlier than that.

https://fanboydestroy.com/2013/09/16/peanuts-citizen-kane-rosebud-strip-is-still-the-greatest-spoiler-ever-told/

1973. I hadn't graduated high school yet.  If he had held off
for 18 months, I'd have seen it at one of my college's old
film nights.  AAAUUUUGGGGGHHHH! Indeed.

Kevin R 

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#441687

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 05:16:49 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-4, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>> news:o8J9zL.1vBI@kithrup.com: 
>> 
>> > In article <s7idnXzfNMGTXcTKnZ2dnUU78KOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> >  <leif.roar@dimnakorr.com> wrote:
>> >>"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>>        "You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you
>> >>>        will die!... 
>> >>> have a pleasant flight."
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Dude, not cool. Add a spoiler warning next time, okay? 
>> > 
>> > B-5 ran WHEN?  My kids were still kids then.  There comes a time
>> > when you don't need to spoiler that _Alice in Wonderland_ was a
>> > dream or that Lancelot and Guinevere both went into monasteries.
>> > 
>> 
>> The relevent show ran in 1994, 22 years ago. Since people still
>> expect spoiler warnings for Citizen Kane (75 years ago), I didn't
>> think it was totally out of line to ask for an SW.
>> 
>> pt
>
>I'm still ticked at Charles Schulz for having Lucy spoil the
>Rosebud McGuffin for Linus in a Sunday Peanuts.  I knew of
>the movie, but it only ever aired on the Late Late show,
>and my bedtime was significantly earlier than that.
>
>https://fanboydestroy.com/2013/09/16/peanuts-citizen-kane-rosebud-strip-is-still-the-greatest-spoiler-ever-told/
>
>1973. I hadn't graduated high school yet.  If he had held off
>for 18 months, I'd have seen it at one of my college's old
>film nights.  AAAUUUUGGGGGHHHH! Indeed.
>
So I'm not the only one who got that spoiled by Peanuts!

-- 
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

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#441742

On Friday, 10 June 2016 05:08:15 UTC+1, Cryptoengineer  wrote:
> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
> news:o8J9zL.1vBI@kithrup.com: 
> 
> > In article <s7idnXzfNMGTXcTKnZ2dnUU78KOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  <leif.roar@dimnakorr.com> wrote:
> >>"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>        "You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you
> >>>        will die!... 
> >>> have a pleasant flight."
> >>>
> >>
> >>Dude, not cool. Add a spoiler warning next time, okay? 
> > 
> > B-5 ran WHEN?  My kids were still kids then.  There comes a time
> > when you don't need to spoiler that _Alice in Wonderland_ was a
> > dream or that Lancelot and Guinevere both went into monasteries.

...wait, what was that?

Oh, nuns also have monasteries.  Okay.

> The relevent show ran in 1994, 22 years ago. Since people still
> expect spoiler warnings for Citizen Kane (75 years ago), I didn't
> think it was totally out of line to ask for an SW.

It doesn't spoil _Babylon 5_ until it's 
explained, and even then, not so much.
An assassin has been sent with instructions
that "You are to know pain... you are to 
know fear... then you are to die", which 
is only said when this is already taking 
place, so no spoiler there.  "Have a
pleasant flight" is spoken by someone else.

I remembered it as a more logical (?)
1. Fear.
2. Pain.
3. Die.

The first to be achieved by explaining about 
numbers two and three.  But that's maybe why
I'm not a well regarded science fiction 
writer or producer, or professional assassin.
Just an occasional amateur - mainly for my
own satisfaction.

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#441731

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

>In article <s7idnXzfNMGTXcTKnZ2dnUU78KOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> <leif.roar@dimnakorr.com> wrote:
>>"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>        "You will know pain. And you will know fear. And then you will die!... 
>>> have a pleasant flight."
>>>
>>
>>Dude, not cool. Add a spoiler warning next time, okay? 
>
>B-5 ran WHEN?  My kids were still kids then.  There comes a time
>when you don't need to spoiler that _Alice in Wonderland_ was a
>dream or that Lancelot and Guinevere both went into monasteries.

In another thread recently, I commented that a naval admiral on leave
spoilered a kid's book for me two thousand years after it had been
written.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#442109

Ah, spoilers; my wargame club at the presideo of Monterrey went to see "A bridge too far", which was choppy, so we were asking each other which part of the map the scene took place, so we'd know which units were involved, when the angry guy in the row ahead of us demanded "stop talking! I don't want you to give away the ending!".

Nils K. Hammer

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