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Recommend Me a Good Book

Started byShawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com>
First post2015-10-07 18:44 -0700
Last post2015-10-09 18:43 +0000
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  Recommend Me a Good Book Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 18:44 -0700
    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan) - 2015-10-08 04:08 +0000
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-10-08 14:59 +0000
        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-08 11:14 -0400
          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-08 15:43 +0000
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-08 12:16 -0400
              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-08 22:14 +0000
                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 18:50 -0400
                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-09 00:32 -0400
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-09 00:21 -0600
                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2015-10-09 11:08 +0100
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-10-10 00:09 +0100
                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-10 00:22 -0400
                        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-10 07:59 -0400
                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-11 01:43 -0400
                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 06:26 -0400
                              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-11 09:08 -0600
                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-09 11:14 -0400
                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-09 09:28 -0600
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-09 11:40 -0400
                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 19:25 +0000
                        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-09 15:59 -0400
                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 20:19 +0000
                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-09 17:08 -0400
                              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-10-09 14:56 -0700
                                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-09 18:02 -0400
                                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-09 15:09 -0700
                                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-09 18:13 -0400
                                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-10-09 15:38 -0700
                                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-09 18:49 -0400
                                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-10-09 23:48 +0000
                                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 23:54 +0000
                                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-10-09 17:07 -0700
                                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-09 21:37 -0400
                                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-10 20:21 -0600
                                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-11 02:24 +0000
                                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 22:14 +0000
                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-10-09 11:43 -0300
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-10-08 16:53 +0000
              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-08 22:16 +0000
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 11:05 -0700
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-10-09 00:58 +0100
          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-08 21:59 -0400
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-08 19:23 -0700
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 04:16 +0000
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-09 11:19 -0400
        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 11:03 -0700
          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book PeterM <petermeilinger@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 15:34 -0700
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-10-11 10:25 +0100
              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-11 18:53 -0700
          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-10 17:28 -0600
        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> - 2015-10-08 13:49 -0400
          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 11:50 -0700
        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-08 22:05 -0400
          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-10-09 15:32 +0000
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 19:26 +0000
              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-09 13:35 -0700
                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-10 00:11 -0400
                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-10 08:06 -0400
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-10 14:26 +0000
                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-10-10 16:49 +0000
                        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-10 17:26 +0000
                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 13:48 -0400
                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-10 17:56 +0000
                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-14 10:51 +0800
                              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Stephen Harker <sjharker@netspace.net.au> - 2015-10-14 17:37 +1100
                                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-10-14 07:13 -0400
                                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-15 16:53 -0700
                                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-14 14:05 +0000
                                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-15 12:24 +0800
                                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-15 01:48 -0400
                                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-15 13:04 +0000
                                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-10-15 09:22 -0400
                                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-15 22:37 -0400
                                        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-16 16:28 -0400
                                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-16 22:08 -0400
                                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-16 22:27 -0400
                                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-17 03:46 +0000
                                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book J. Moreno <planb@newsreaders.com> - 2015-10-17 05:58 +0000
                                              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-18 07:13 -0700
                                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-15 16:47 +0000
                                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-10-15 12:01 -0700
                                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-15 15:15 -0400
                                        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2015-10-15 16:16 -0400
                                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-15 18:01 -0700
                                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-15 21:54 -0600
                                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-10-16 07:32 +0100
                                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-16 13:35 -0400
                                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-16 14:57 +0800
                                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-10-16 21:03 +1100
                                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-16 13:22 +0000
                                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-16 09:28 -0700
                                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-16 16:58 +0000
                                              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-16 13:45 -0700
                                                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-16 14:54 -0700
                                                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-16 15:03 -0700
                                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-16 13:39 -0400
                                              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-16 10:47 -0700
                                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-15 16:08 -0400
                                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-10-15 19:08 -0400
                                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-10-18 02:41 +0000
                                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-16 14:56 +0800
                                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-16 16:32 -0400
                                        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-16 22:11 -0400
                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-10 13:54 -0400
                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-10 19:13 +0000
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-11 01:43 -0400
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-10-12 05:54 -0700
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-09 13:37 -0600
              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 19:45 +0000
                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-09 14:19 -0600
                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 20:52 +0000
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-09 21:52 -0400
                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-09 14:22 -0600
                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 20:53 +0000
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-09 15:11 -0600
                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-09 14:55 -0700
                        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-09 16:14 -0600
                        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-09 21:57 -0400
                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-10 00:09 -0400
                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-10 08:09 -0400
                              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-10 12:40 -0600
                                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-10-11 15:23 +0000
                                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-10-11 12:06 -0500
                                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-11 20:27 +0000
                                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-13 01:53 +0000
                                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-13 09:56 -0600
                                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-13 17:02 +0000
                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-10-10 00:44 +0000
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-09 21:46 -0400
              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-10-12 05:56 -0700
        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-10-09 16:53 +0000
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 10:44 -0700
    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 22:36 -0700
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-08 02:01 -0600
        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-08 05:01 -0700
          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-08 08:33 -0400
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-08 21:13 -0700
              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-09 10:30 -0400
                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 15:10 +0000
                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-10-09 09:28 -0700
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 19:33 +0000
                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-09 13:39 -0700
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-09 22:06 -0400
                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-10 11:09 +0800
                        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-10 08:15 -0400
                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-10-10 16:26 +0100
                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-14 11:02 +0800
                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-10 21:41 -0600
                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-14 10:54 +0800
                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 05:35 -0400
                              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 05:36 -0400
                                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-15 14:34 +0800
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-08 13:10 +0000
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-08 08:47 -0700
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 10:49 -0700
        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-08 14:51 -0600
          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-10-08 15:04 -0700
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-09 11:23 -0400
              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-10-09 10:59 -0700
                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 19:39 +0000
    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-10-08 01:56 -0500
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 10:52 -0700
        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-10-10 02:12 -0500
    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 05:55 -0700
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-08 08:49 -0700
        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 11:06 -0700
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 10:55 -0700
        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-10-08 13:42 -0700
          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-10 11:14 +0800
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-10-10 18:31 +1100
              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-14 11:03 +0800
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 05:41 -0700
        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 13:13 +0000
          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-10-09 12:45 -0400
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-09 12:02 -0600
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-09 19:42 +0000
              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-10-12 06:00 -0700
          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 06:04 -0700
            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-12 07:22 -0700
              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 05:58 -0700
                Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-10-13 10:03 -0400
                  Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 06:01 -0700
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-10-14 09:11 -0400
                    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-14 13:33 -0400
                      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-10-14 14:21 -0400
                        Re: Recommend Me a Good Book wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-14 22:00 -0400
                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-10-14 22:08 -0400
                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-10-15 03:20 +0000
                              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-10-15 04:30 -0700
                              Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-10-15 09:21 -0400
                            Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-15 09:40 -0700
                          Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-14 23:28 -0400
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-09 11:31 -0400
    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 18:54 -0400
      Re: Recommend Me a Good Book djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-10-08 23:43 +0000
    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-10-09 08:10 -0700
    Re: Recommend Me a Good Book mzenier@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier) - 2015-10-09 18:43 +0000

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#424281 — Recommend Me a Good Book

FromShawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-07 18:44 -0700
SubjectRecommend Me a Good Book
Message-ID<95a514ac-0665-4a7d-91cc-d7de8328c374@googlegroups.com>
I want Heinlein/Piper-esque adventure.

I am fond of the RPG Traveller, whose primary MO is band of adventurers on a small starship- trader or scout, ala Serenity/Firefly.

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#424287

Fromted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan)
Date2015-10-08 04:08 +0000
Message-ID<d7m8h4F1cmcU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#424281
In article <95a514ac-0665-4a7d-91cc-d7de8328c374@googlegroups.com>,
Shawn Wilson  <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> wrote:
>I want Heinlein/Piper-esque adventure.
>
>I am fond of the RPG Traveller, whose primary MO is band of adventurers
>on a small starship- trader or scout, ala Serenity/Firefly.
>

Hmm, _Balance Of Trade_ by Lee & Miller perhaps.
	
In some ways a later Heinlein Juvenile with echos of Norton's Solar Queen.

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#424314

Fromjdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
Date2015-10-08 14:59 +0000
Message-ID<mv60ct$jn5$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#424287
In article <d7m8h4F1cmcU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
>In article <95a514ac-0665-4a7d-91cc-d7de8328c374@googlegroups.com>,
>Shawn Wilson  <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I want Heinlein/Piper-esque adventure.
>>
>>I am fond of the RPG Traveller, whose primary MO is band of adventurers
>>on a small starship- trader or scout, ala Serenity/Firefly.
>>
>
>Hmm, _Balance Of Trade_ by Lee & Miller perhaps.
>	
>In some ways a later Heinlein Juvenile with echos of Norton's Solar Queen.

The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet by Becky Chambers: Firefly without
the creepy Lost Cause stuff, with aliens, on what could very well be a 
Far Trader.

(btw, there is a new edition of the Mongoose Traveller coming out)

Maybe some of the John Grimes books, the ones after he leaves the 
Survey Service?

I think Jefferson P. Swycaffer's books were supposed to be based on 
Classic Traveller but they have none of the look and feel of CT. Avoid.

Dumarest, obviously.

Norton's Solar Queen. Although they're worse at delivering stuff successfully
than most Traveller traders.

Witches of Karres.

There are, btw, a crap ton of sequels to Piper by people who are not Piper.
I have not read them and have no opinion but they do exist:

http://www.pequodpress.com/ebookstore.php
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#424317

From"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu>
Date2015-10-08 11:14 -0400
Message-ID<xfygyk33am40.15unlsp9xxwdj$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#424314
On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:59:42 +0000 (UTC), James Nicoll
<jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote
in<news:mv60ct$jn5$1@reader1.panix.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

> In article <d7m8h4F1cmcU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:

>>In article <95a514ac-0665-4a7d-91cc-d7de8328c374@googlegroups.com>,
>>Shawn Wilson  <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>I want Heinlein/Piper-esque adventure.

>>> I am fond of the RPG Traveller, whose primary MO is
>>> band of adventurers on a small starship- trader or
>>> scout, ala Serenity/Firefly.

>> Hmm, _Balance Of Trade_ by Lee & Miller perhaps.

>> In some ways a later Heinlein Juvenile with echos of
>> Norton's Solar Queen.

Or vice versa; I can’t decide.

> The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet by Becky Chambers:
> Firefly without the creepy Lost Cause stuff, with
> aliens, on what could very well be a Far Trader.

That is an excellent book (and I was fortunate enough to
find it before it went commercial).

[...]

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#424322

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2015-10-08 15:43 +0000
Message-ID<nvwroE.Es2@kithrup.com>
In reply to#424317
In article <xfygyk33am40.15unlsp9xxwdj$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:59:42 +0000 (UTC), James Nicoll
><jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote
>in<news:mv60ct$jn5$1@reader1.panix.com> in
>rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>> In article <d7m8h4F1cmcU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
>
>>>In article <95a514ac-0665-4a7d-91cc-d7de8328c374@googlegroups.com>,
>>>Shawn Wilson  <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>I want Heinlein/Piper-esque adventure.
>
>>>> I am fond of the RPG Traveller, whose primary MO is
>>>> band of adventurers on a small starship- trader or
>>>> scout, ala Serenity/Firefly.
>
>>> Hmm, _Balance Of Trade_ by Lee & Miller perhaps.
>
>>> In some ways a later Heinlein Juvenile with echos of
>>> Norton's Solar Queen.
>
>Or vice versa; I can’t decide.
>
>> The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet by Becky Chambers:
>> Firefly without the creepy Lost Cause stuff, with
>> aliens, on what could very well be a Far Trader.
>
>That is an excellent book (and I was fortunate enough to
>find it before it went commercial).

I took a look on Amazon.  It looks great, and I want it, but it's
only in hardback (for twenty-five bucks) or Kindle (which I don't
have.)  Bookmarked for the future when I have the money.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#424325

From"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu>
Date2015-10-08 12:16 -0400
Message-ID<176968ccm9t3$.1rrcay3s0ntz9.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#424322
On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:43:26 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt
<djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:nvwroE.Es2@kithrup.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:

> In article <xfygyk33am40.15unlsp9xxwdj$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:

>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:59:42 +0000 (UTC), James Nicoll
>> <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote in<news:mv60ct$jn5$1@reader1.panix.com>
>> in rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

>>> The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet by Becky Chambers:
>>> Firefly without the creepy Lost Cause stuff, with
>>> aliens, on what could very well be a Far Trader.

>>That is an excellent book (and I was fortunate enough to
>>find it before it went commercial).

> I took a look on Amazon.  It looks great, and I want it,
> but it's only in hardback (for twenty-five bucks) or
> Kindle (which I don't have.)  Bookmarked for the future
> when I have the money.

I will point out, as others have done in the past, that you
do not need a Kindle.  You don’t even need one of the
Kindle apps for reading Kindle books on your computer.  All
you need is to be running Firefox, Chrome, or Safari as
your browser: you can then go online and use the Kindle
Cloud Reader to read any Kindle ebook that you’ve bought
through an Amazon account.

<http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200701430>

This requires absolutely no technical expertise.
Alternatively, if you’re running Windows XP or later, you
really can simply download and install the Kindle app for
PC and automatically download ebooks to it when you buy
them:

<http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201245960>

It’s not my favorite reader, but it’d dead simple to use.

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#424342

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2015-10-08 22:14 +0000
Message-ID<nvx9rt.1Azx@kithrup.com>
In reply to#424325
In article <176968ccm9t3$.1rrcay3s0ntz9.dlg@40tude.net>,
Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:43:26 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt
><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:nvwroE.Es2@kithrup.com>
>in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>> In article <xfygyk33am40.15unlsp9xxwdj$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>> Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>
>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:59:42 +0000 (UTC), James Nicoll
>>> <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote in<news:mv60ct$jn5$1@reader1.panix.com>
>>> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>[...]
>
>>>> The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet by Becky Chambers:
>>>> Firefly without the creepy Lost Cause stuff, with
>>>> aliens, on what could very well be a Far Trader.
>
>>>That is an excellent book (and I was fortunate enough to
>>>find it before it went commercial).
>
>> I took a look on Amazon.  It looks great, and I want it,
>> but it's only in hardback (for twenty-five bucks) or
>> Kindle (which I don't have.)  Bookmarked for the future
>> when I have the money.
>
>I will point out, as others have done in the past, that you
>do not need a Kindle.  You don’t even need one of the
>Kindle apps for reading Kindle books on your computer.  All
>you need is to be running Firefox, Chrome, or Safari as
>your browser: you can then go online and use the Kindle
>Cloud Reader to read any Kindle ebook that you’ve bought
>through an Amazon account.

Except I don't have Chrome (I have read disturbing things about
it, including that it's about to go away), hate Firefox with a
passion, and never heard of Safari.
><http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200701430>
>
>This requires absolutely no technical expertise.

Brian, I think you've been around this forum long enough to
remember the long long exchange between Gary Farber and me about
how *easy* it was (for him) to do various web things that were
completely incomprehensible to me.  My technical expertise is
probably measurable in negative numbers.

>Alternatively, if you’re running Windows XP or later, you
>really can simply download and install the Kindle app for
>PC and automatically download ebooks to it when you buy
>them:
>
><http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201245960>
>
>It’s not my favorite reader, but it’d dead simple to use.

Hm.  I wonder if ESET will let me download it?  It balks at most
things.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#424347

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-08 18:50 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.3080bd48fc3bc027989ba0@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#424342
In article <nvx9rt.1Azx@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says...
> 
> In article <176968ccm9t3$.1rrcay3s0ntz9.dlg@40tude.net>,
> Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
> >On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:43:26 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt
> ><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:nvwroE.Es2@kithrup.com>
> >in rec.arts.sf.written:
> >
> >> In article <xfygyk33am40.15unlsp9xxwdj$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> >> Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:59:42 +0000 (UTC), James Nicoll
> >>> <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote in<news:mv60ct$jn5$1@reader1.panix.com>
> >>> in rec.arts.sf.written:
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>>> The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet by Becky Chambers:
> >>>> Firefly without the creepy Lost Cause stuff, with
> >>>> aliens, on what could very well be a Far Trader.
> >
> >>>That is an excellent book (and I was fortunate enough to
> >>>find it before it went commercial).
> >
> >> I took a look on Amazon.  It looks great, and I want it,
> >> but it's only in hardback (for twenty-five bucks) or
> >> Kindle (which I don't have.)  Bookmarked for the future
> >> when I have the money.
> >
> >I will point out, as others have done in the past, that you
> >do not need a Kindle.  You don�t even need one of the
> >Kindle apps for reading Kindle books on your computer.  All
> >you need is to be running Firefox, Chrome, or Safari as
> >your browser: you can then go online and use the Kindle
> >Cloud Reader to read any Kindle ebook that you�ve bought
> >through an Amazon account.
> 
> Except I don't have Chrome (I have read disturbing things about
> it, including that it's about to go away), hate Firefox with a
> passion, and never heard of Safari.
> ><http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200701430>
> >
> >This requires absolutely no technical expertise.
> 
> Brian, I think you've been around this forum long enough to
> remember the long long exchange between Gary Farber and me about
> how *easy* it was (for him) to do various web things that were
> completely incomprehensible to me.  My technical expertise is
> probably measurable in negative numbers.
> 
> >Alternatively, if you�re running Windows XP or later, you
> >really can simply download and install the Kindle app for
> >PC and automatically download ebooks to it when you buy
> >them:
> >
> ><http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201245960>
> >
> >It�s not my favorite reader, but it�d dead simple to use.
> 
> Hm.  I wonder if ESET will let me download it?  It balks at most
> things.

Safari is Apple's browser, however they have a version that runs fine on 
PCs.

But, regardless, Chrome works fine--even my highly security-conscious 
employer installs it on the thoroughly locked-down work machines.

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#424369

FromLawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net>
Date2015-10-09 00:32 -0400
Message-ID<5pge1b5t5r945v7v61dg4l086rculmtooe@reader80.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#424347
On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:50:53 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>Safari is Apple's browser, however they have a version that runs fine on 
>PCs.

But you don't want it.  Its most recent upgrade has finally gotten it
up to the level of merely crappy, instead of absolute garbage.



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#424374

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2015-10-09 00:21 -0600
Message-ID<d7p4okFnnlnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#424369
Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:50:53 -0400, "J. Clarke"
><j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Safari is Apple's browser, however they have a version that runs fine on 
>>PCs.
>
>But you don't want it.  Its most recent upgrade has finally gotten it
>up to the level of merely crappy, instead of absolute garbage.

I liked Safari before Chrome came out.

About a year ago, my latest laptop died and I replaced it with a
barely adequate one, that has got massively worse with each W7 bugfix
(unless I'm running into Windows' famous installation rot -- We used
to advise people to re-install from scratch every two or three years.)

Anyhow, my main problem is memory, and Chrome sucks up every available
bit, leaving me waiting for the HD to issue pages.

Remembering my sister's 8 MB system from the late nineties, I tried
Opera on it -- Opera used to do really well on memory restricted
systems, but its current version was no better than Chrome.

I re-tried Safari, but it was no better.  I used to surf the web with
12 MB, and my sister surfed with 8 MB.  How come 1500 MB is absolute
starvation?
-- 
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#424380

Fromnews{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley)
Date2015-10-09 11:08 +0100
Message-ID<1mc0uqr.1586ra3p8ijlsN%news{@bestley.co.uk>
In reply to#424374
Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:

> Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:50:53 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> ><j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Safari is Apple's browser, however they have a version that runs fine on
> >>PCs.
> >
> >But you don't want it.  Its most recent upgrade has finally gotten it
> >up to the level of merely crappy, instead of absolute garbage.
> 
> I liked Safari before Chrome came out.
> 
> About a year ago, my latest laptop died and I replaced it with a
> barely adequate one, that has got massively worse with each W7 bugfix
> (unless I'm running into Windows' famous installation rot -- We used
> to advise people to re-install from scratch every two or three years.)
> 
> Anyhow, my main problem is memory, and Chrome sucks up every available
> bit, leaving me waiting for the HD to issue pages.
> 
> Remembering my sister's 8 MB system from the late nineties, I tried
> Opera on it -- Opera used to do really well on memory restricted
> systems, but its current version was no better than Chrome.
> 
> I re-tried Safari, but it was no better.  I used to surf the web with
> 12 MB, and my sister surfed with 8 MB.  How come 1500 MB is absolute
> starvation?

All 3 of those browsers are now based on the same rendering etc engine
Webkit so will be very similar. If you want different the only choices
are Firefox or MS browsers

-- 
Mark

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#424447

FromJaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org>
Date2015-10-10 00:09 +0100
Message-ID<k8ig1bh3ide5hrio20pj3ckenk0i3vj1s7@4ax.com>
In reply to#424369
On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 00:32:50 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:50:53 -0400, "J. Clarke"
><j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Safari is Apple's browser, however they have a version that runs fine on 
>>PCs.
>
>But you don't want it.  Its most recent upgrade has finally gotten it
>up to the level of merely crappy, instead of absolute garbage.

Recent upgrade? It was tracking versions with the Mac release, which is
currently 9.0.1. Safari on Windows is 5.1.7. It's about three years old
at this point, and a moribund project.

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
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                                                  -- Tim Dawson

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#424473

FromLawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net>
Date2015-10-10 00:22 -0400
Message-ID<dv3h1b59angd1ft6igv04e4rm4vqg6non9@reader80.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#424447
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 00:09:56 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh
<jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 00:32:50 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:50:53 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>><j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Safari is Apple's browser, however they have a version that runs fine on 
>>>PCs.
>>
>>But you don't want it.  Its most recent upgrade has finally gotten it
>>up to the level of merely crappy, instead of absolute garbage.
>
>Recent upgrade? It was tracking versions with the Mac release, which is
>currently 9.0.1. Safari on Windows is 5.1.7. It's about three years old
>at this point, and a moribund project.

I'm not sure just how recent; when I demoted my iMac from primary desk
machine to back-up in March of this year I finally upgraded everything
from 2011-vintage Snow Leopard to the current version of OS/X -- I'd
been putting it off so as not to meddle with having everything the way
I liked it.  (And sure enough, some of my favorite software wouldn't
run under the new version.)  When the upgrade was done, I discovered
that Safari had changed from a piece of intolerable crap that crashed
or froze frequently and wouldn't visit certain sites at all to an okay
browser, though still not one I actually like.

And it stopped insisting that certain shades of yellow (going by their
hex codes) should be shown as pale blue.  I never did figure out how
or why it did that.

Anyway, I'm now running Version 9.0 (10601.1.56.2), it says.  Don't
know what it was before.

And it just froze, so maybe it IS still a piece of crap.



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#424484

Fromwdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr)
Date2015-10-10 07:59 -0400
Message-ID<mvauj9$hr6$1@panix3.panix.com>
In reply to#424473
In article <dv3h1b59angd1ft6igv04e4rm4vqg6non9@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> said:

> I'm not sure just how recent; when I demoted my iMac from primary
> desk machine to back-up in March of this year I finally upgraded
> everything from 2011-vintage Snow Leopard to the current version
> of OS/X -- I'd been putting it off so as not to meddle with having
> everything the way I liked it.  (And sure enough, some of my
> favorite software wouldn't run under the new version.)

Isn't that the very *definition* of "upgrade"?

-- wds

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#424551

FromLawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net>
Date2015-10-11 01:43 -0400
Message-ID<4mtj1b13vtksaknejfg871qlteai4ai0tk@reader80.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#424484
On 10 Oct 2015 07:59:37 -0400, wdstarr@panix.com (William December
Starr) wrote:

>In article <dv3h1b59angd1ft6igv04e4rm4vqg6non9@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
>Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> said:
>
>> I'm not sure just how recent; when I demoted my iMac from primary
>> desk machine to back-up in March of this year I finally upgraded
>> everything from 2011-vintage Snow Leopard to the current version
>> of OS/X -- I'd been putting it off so as not to meddle with having
>> everything the way I liked it.  (And sure enough, some of my
>> favorite software wouldn't run under the new version.)
>
>Isn't that the very *definition* of "upgrade"?

Apple thinks so; on my PC, though, I'm running some downright ancient
software without any trouble.




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#424560

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-11 06:26 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.30840350199d88bd989bac@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#424551
In article <4mtj1b13vtksaknejfg871qlteai4ai0tk@reader80.eternal-
september.org>, lwe@sff.net says...
> 
> On 10 Oct 2015 07:59:37 -0400, wdstarr@panix.com (William December
> Starr) wrote:
> 
> >In article <dv3h1b59angd1ft6igv04e4rm4vqg6non9@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
> >Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> said:
> >
> >> I'm not sure just how recent; when I demoted my iMac from primary
> >> desk machine to back-up in March of this year I finally upgraded
> >> everything from 2011-vintage Snow Leopard to the current version
> >> of OS/X -- I'd been putting it off so as not to meddle with having
> >> everything the way I liked it.  (And sure enough, some of my
> >> favorite software wouldn't run under the new version.)
> >
> >Isn't that the very *definition* of "upgrade"?
> 
> Apple thinks so; on my PC, though, I'm running some downright ancient
> software without any trouble.

And the mainframe at work is giving stuff written in the '60s a faster 
ride than anybody in the '60s ever imagined possible.

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#424565

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2015-10-11 09:08 -0600
Message-ID<d7vcb1Fb5d9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#424560
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>september.org>, lwe@sff.net says...

>> Apple thinks so; on my PC, though, I'm running some downright ancient
>> software without any trouble.
>
>And the mainframe at work is giving stuff written in the '60s a faster 
>ride than anybody in the '60s ever imagined possible.

Back in Y2K, we moved most of our computing to client-server SAP.
This left three applications on the mainframe and we could no longer
justify a full mainframe.

So we tested the software in a three-card mainframe in a desktop P2
box. 

It ran faster than the roomful.  The original mainframe was memory
bound and shuffling stuff around to fit.  Memory was horrifyingly
cheap on the desktop box.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#424389

From"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu>
Date2015-10-09 11:14 -0400
Message-ID<vcukh3u7zdrs$.1tb06yyscnfsq$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#424342
On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 22:14:17 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt
<djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote
in<news:nvx9rt.1Azx@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written:

> In article <176968ccm9t3$.1rrcay3s0ntz9.dlg@40tude.net>,
> Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>>On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:43:26 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt
>><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:nvwroE.Es2@kithrup.com>
>>in rec.arts.sf.written:
>>
>>> In article <xfygyk33am40.15unlsp9xxwdj$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>>> Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:59:42 +0000 (UTC), James Nicoll
>>>> <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote in<news:mv60ct$jn5$1@reader1.panix.com>
>>>> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>>> The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet by Becky Chambers:
>>>>> Firefly without the creepy Lost Cause stuff, with
>>>>> aliens, on what could very well be a Far Trader.
>>
>>>>That is an excellent book (and I was fortunate enough to
>>>>find it before it went commercial).
>>
>>> I took a look on Amazon.  It looks great, and I want it,
>>> but it's only in hardback (for twenty-five bucks) or
>>> Kindle (which I don't have.)  Bookmarked for the future
>>> when I have the money.
>>
>>I will point out, as others have done in the past, that you
>>do not need a Kindle.  You don’t even need one of the
>>Kindle apps for reading Kindle books on your computer.  All
>>you need is to be running Firefox, Chrome, or Safari as
>>your browser: you can then go online and use the Kindle
>>Cloud Reader to read any Kindle ebook that you’ve bought
>>through an Amazon account.

> Except I don't have Chrome (I have read disturbing things
> about it, including that it's about to go away), 

Seems a bit unlikely: it’s the most widely used browser in
the world, by a fairly large margin.

> hate Firefox with a passion, 

Out of curiosity, why?  I’ve been using it as my primary
browser since version 0.7, I think, and while I’ve a few
complaints, on balance I still prefer it.  I use Chrome for
a few things.  I could never stand IE, though I gather that
it’s much better than it used to be.  Once in a blue moon I
use Opera, which was my primary browser for several years
back around versions 4-7 or so.

> and never heard of Safari.

It’s for Macs.  What do you use?  Amazon Cloud Reader
definitely works with IE 10 and up, and I’ve read that it
also works with SeaMonkey, though it’s not among the
officially supported browsers.  It definitely does not work
with Opera: I just tried..

>><http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200701430>

>>This requires absolutely no technical expertise.

> Brian, I think you've been around this forum long enough to
> remember the long long exchange between Gary Farber and me about
> how *easy* it was (for him) to do various web things that were
> completely incomprehensible to me.  My technical expertise is
> probably measurable in negative numbers.

I’m aware of that.  That’s precisely why I suggested Amazon
Cloud Reader: no technical expertise is required.  None.
Zero.  If you can use a browser, you can use Amazon Cloud
Reader.

>> Alternatively, if you’re running Windows XP or later,
>> you really can simply download and install the Kindle
>> app for PC and automatically download ebooks to it when
>> you buy them:

>> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201245960>

>>It's not my favorite reader, but it's dead simple to use.

> Hm.  I wonder if ESET will let me download it?  It balks
> at most things.

I run ESET NOD32 on my desktop and have not had any trouble
downloading things.

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#424393

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2015-10-09 09:28 -0600
Message-ID<d7q4pbF11u5U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#424389
"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:


>> hate Firefox with a passion, 
>
>Out of curiosity, why?  I’ve been using it as my primary
>browser since version 0.7, I think, and while I’ve a few
>complaints, on balance I still prefer it.  

I've played with it from time to time ever since "Phoenix" or whatever
name preceded Phoenix.  I'm not your correspondent here, but Firefox
has always felt klunky where IE, Safari and Chrome have a cleaner
feel.

Back in the very early days, I switched to IE as soon as it became
available because IE had better support for hands-on-the-keyboard use
while Netscape sent you to the mouse more often.  That excuse broke
with the rise of frames.

>> and never heard of Safari.
>
>It’s for Macs.  

They've always had a Windows version.  It was my primary version for
three years or so before Chrome arrived on the scene.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#424398

From"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu>
Date2015-10-09 11:40 -0400
Message-ID<z2h0g08lg9mm.u37g3lu217h1.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#424393
On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 09:28:18 -0600, Greg Goss
<gossg@gossg.org> wrote
in<news:d7q4pbF11u5U2@mid.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

> "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:

>>> hate Firefox with a passion, 

>>Out of curiosity, why?  I’'ve been using it as my primary
>>browser since version 0.7, I think, and while I’'ve a few
>>complaints, on balance I still prefer it.  

> I've played with it from time to time ever since
> "Phoenix" or whatever name preceded Phoenix.  I'm not
> your correspondent here, but Firefox has always felt
> klunky where IE, Safari and Chrome have a cleaner feel.

IE?!  It had a perfectly awful feel, and it was broken to
boot.

[...]

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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