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Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? John Pelan <jpelan13@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:16 -0700
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 04:05 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-20 01:41 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 13:42 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-20 13:08 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 17:18 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-20 14:54 -0700
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-20 18:05 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-08-28 17:32 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 21:04 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 18:38 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 21:12 -0600
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 23:40 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 06:07 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 06:06 -0700
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 08:18 -0600
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:03 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 15:58 -0600
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-08-29 22:27 +0100
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-29 01:00 +0100
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 00:39 +0000
Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-29 16:56 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 16:48 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 12:24 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 20:21 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-08-29 21:27 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 23:00 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-08-30 02:38 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-30 12:35 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-31 01:19 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 22:50 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 16:13 -0600
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:24 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-31 18:11 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-31 20:20 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 00:44 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 22:27 -0500
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 04:51 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-09-01 10:50 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 14:55 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-01 15:12 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 15:46 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-09-04 00:04 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 19:22 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-09-07 17:15 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 23:22 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 17:57 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-01 18:09 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 18:23 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-09-01 14:04 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 23:27 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-09-01 19:29 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-09-01 19:49 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 02:55 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 05:29 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 12:11 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-02 16:47 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2015-09-02 23:51 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-03 01:45 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-02 07:03 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 14:14 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2015-09-02 10:22 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 12:14 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-01 16:42 -0600
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 16:12 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-02 00:00 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 19:24 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 23:29 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-02 16:52 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-01 20:01 -0500
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 19:33 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-09-04 00:08 +0100
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-30 12:32 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-20 12:02 -0500
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 00:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nttJ69.Bwz@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421397 |
In article <d4cb0iFgbchU1@mid.individual.net>, Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote: > >"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote > >> James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote: > >>>I can tell you there's an audience for The Interior Life. Get it back in >>>print and I will promote it on my site. > >> Well, I'll tellya. I am begining to think about it, having been >reassured by my daughter that *I* will not have to do any >marketing whatsoever, she and her friends (who include Seanan >McGuire) will do it by word-of-mouth, or rather, by word-of-net. > >> But the problem is finding an e-platform that will support three >different sets of fonts (roman and italic for each). Do you know >of any? > >Well the first step is to generate a proof of concept as a RTF or DOC file >using three fonts > >Is there one or two chapters in TIL that use three that you can call out ? The best example would be right at the end of Chapter Last, where the fonts are switching about in mid-sentence. I can make up an RTF file of a couple sample paragraph if you like. What should I do with them then? > >This can then be converted to say ePUB and checked Except I haven't the foggiest how to do that. Maybe Meg or Seanan do. > >> (Kindle is definitely out, since they allow the *reader* to >choose different fonts, but they would all be the same font per >reader. I figured that out even before Graydon Saunders, whom I >have never met but whom, based on his work, I place not far from >the left hand of God, told me that his ancestors would all rise >up and haunt him if he published with Kindle, or words to that effect.) > >Even this violation of the laws of creation may be possible since Kindle now >has a (embedded) Publisher's font option which a small pub who provides >Kindle compatible ebooks may be able to access. Well, if you can find out more about this feature, do please let me know. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 16:56 +0100 |
| Subject | Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <d4e30tFtb03U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #421402 |
"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote > Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote: >> But the problem is finding an e-platform that will support three >different sets of fonts (roman and italic for each). Do you know >of any? > >Well the first step is to generate a proof of concept as a RTF or DOC file >using three fonts >Is there one or two chapters in TIL that use three that you can call out ? >> The best example would be right at the end of Chapter Last, where the fonts are switching about in mid-sentence. I can make up an RTF file of a couple sample paragraph if you like. What should I do with them then? >>This can then be converted to say ePUB and checked > Except I haven't the foggiest how to do that. Maybe Meg or Seanan do. It occurs to me that using colour rather than font would be a good start though of course only a computer or tablet (or phone) screen would show it. So assign each text type a different style define three styles a different text colour black, red, green say And assign each text type a different style Call up http://convertfiles.com/ and ask it to convert to ePub There is a free Firefox add-on EPUBReader which you can then use to see what's what https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/user/epubreader/?src=api If this works you could have the styles specify different fonts too and certainly the scan and mark up stage would be lots easier to debug if you had the result in colours. >>> (Kindle is definitely out, since they allow the *reader* to >choose different fonts, but they would all be the same font per >reader. I figured that out even before Graydon Saunders, whom I >have never met but whom, based on his work, I place not far from >the left hand of God, told me that his ancestors would all rise >up and haunt him if he published with Kindle, or words to that effect.) > >Even this violation of the laws of creation may be possible since Kindle > >now >has a (embedded) Publisher's font option which a small pub who provides >Kindle compatible ebooks may be able to access. > Well, if you can find out more about this feature, do please let me know. This is really very much in the "ring a friendly geek" area, but this expert says The fonts render as expected in major reading systems such as NOOK, iBooks, Adobe Digital Editions, and even Amazon’s Kindle Fire (after conversion to KF8 via KindleGen).[7] He also mentions that if the fonts you choose are not embedded the ePub will work on a computer that has those fonts but a tablet or ereader without them will be forced to substitute which won't turn out well. Hence all the palaver. http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing also http://pandoc.org/epub.html -- -- Mike D
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 16:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <ntus15.oIL@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421466 |
In article <d4e30tFtb03U1@mid.individual.net>, Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote: > >"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote > >> Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote: > >>> But the problem is finding an e-platform that will support three >>different sets of fonts (roman and italic for each). Do you know >>of any? >> >>Well the first step is to generate a proof of concept as a RTF or DOC file >>using three fonts > >>Is there one or two chapters in TIL that use three that you can call out ? > >>> The best example would be right at the end of Chapter Last, where >the fonts are switching about in mid-sentence. I can make up an >RTF file of a couple sample paragraph if you like. What should I >do with them then? I have now made a file to those specs. I got a message when I tried to save it in .rtf, to the effect of "some of this formatting may not work in .rtf, are you sure you don't want to save it in .odt?" But I saved it in .rtf and it seems to look all right. My husband points out that in the end it's not a question of what fonts I can find in OpenOffice, but of what fonts the e-platform has. But that's a couple problems down the road. > >>>This can then be converted to say ePUB and checked > >> Except I haven't the foggiest how to do that. Maybe Meg or Seanan do. > >It occurs to me that using colour rather than font would be a good start >though of course only a computer or tablet (or phone) screen would show it. > >So assign each text type a different style >define three styles a different text colour black, red, green say >And assign each text type a different style Oh, please, no. When I was writing _TIL_ my son suggested -- tongue in cheek, I *think* -- that I format it in different colors. I said No in a very loud voice. Wossname's _The Neverending Story_ was printed in two colors in hardback and it looked awful. Never mind that I have NO clue how to format in colors. > >Call up >http://convertfiles.com/ >and ask it to convert to ePub > >There is a free Firefox add-on EPUBReader which you can then use to see >what's what >https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/user/epubreader/?src=api I'll run these past my daughter. She uses Firefox; I don't. > >If this works you could have the styles specify different fonts too and >certainly the scan and mark up stage would be lots easier to debug if you >had the result in colours. > >>>> (Kindle is definitely out, since they allow the *reader* to >>choose different fonts, but they would all be the same font per >>reader. I figured that out even before Graydon Saunders, whom I >>have never met but whom, based on his work, I place not far from >>the left hand of God, told me that his ancestors would all rise >>up and haunt him if he published with Kindle, or words to that effect.) > >> >Even this violation of the laws of creation may be possible since Kindle >> >now >>has a (embedded) Publisher's font option which a small pub who provides >>Kindle compatible ebooks may be able to access. > >> Well, if you can find out more about this feature, do please let >me know. > >This is really very much in the "ring a friendly geek" area, but this expert >says > >The fonts render as expected in major reading systems such as NOOK, iBooks, >Adobe Digital Editions, and even Amazon’s Kindle Fire (after conversion to >KF8 via KindleGen).[7] > >He also mentions that if the fonts you choose are not embedded the ePub will >work on a computer that has those fonts but a tablet or ereader without them >will be forced to substitute which won't turn out well. Hence all the >palaver. > >http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing > >also >http://pandoc.org/epub.html Thanks, Mike; I'll see if Meg can make sense of this; and if not, maybe Seanan can. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 12:24 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <bdcbdd35-75ac-436e-9119-60cfe1c90d2d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #421466 |
On Saturday, 29 August 2015 16:56:16 UTC+1, Michael R N Dolbear wrote: > "Dorothy J Heydt" wrote > >> The best example would be right at the end of Chapter Last, where > the fonts are switching about in mid-sentence. I can make up an > RTF file of a couple sample paragraph if you like. What should I > do with them then? > > It occurs to me that using colour rather than font would be a good start > though of course only a computer or tablet (or phone) screen would show it. Or, motion? (I haven't read the book, so I'm a potential customer. So, why am I making stupid suggestions...) Wikipedia says Internet Explorer still supports the "marquee" function, and, rather grudgingly, other browsers do as well.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 20:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <ntv1vI.162n@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421496 |
In article <bdcbdd35-75ac-436e-9119-60cfe1c90d2d@googlegroups.com>, Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >On Saturday, 29 August 2015 16:56:16 UTC+1, Michael R N Dolbear wrote: >> "Dorothy J Heydt" wrote >> >> The best example would be right at the end of Chapter Last, where >> the fonts are switching about in mid-sentence. I can make up an >> RTF file of a couple sample paragraph if you like. What should I >> do with them then? >> >> It occurs to me that using colour rather than font would be a good start >> though of course only a computer or tablet (or phone) screen would show it. > >Or, motion? (I haven't read the book, so I'm a potential >customer. So, why am I making stupid suggestions...) Motion? Please tell me you don't mean text that jumps up and down, as in the very worst online advertisements. > >Wikipedia says Internet Explorer still supports the >"marquee" function, and, rather grudgingly, other >browsers do as well. Can you define "marquee"? I know from *nothing* about all these things. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 21:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <mrt84b$72o$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #421502 |
In <ntv1vI.162n@kithrup.com> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>In article <bdcbdd35-75ac-436e-9119-60cfe1c90d2d@googlegroups.com>,
>Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>>Wikipedia says Internet Explorer still supports the
>>"marquee" function, and, rather grudgingly, other
>>browsers do as well.
>Can you define "marquee"? I know from *nothing* about all these
>things.
That is text that moves linearly, the way you see marquees in
Times Square or at the bottom of news programs do. So that at one
moment the line of text will look like:
NEW STAR TREK MOVIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN
and a moment later it will look like:
NEW STAR TREK MOVIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM?
and a moment after that the line will look like:
VIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM? NEW STAR TREK MO
and a moment later it will be obscured because you are looking through
options to turn off marquee text because it is the worst.
--
Joseph Nebus
Math: Do You Have To Understand This? http://wp.me/p1RYhY-QE
Humor: iTunes, At Sixteen http://wp.me/p37lb5-WQ
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 23:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <ntv999.1IDz@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421507 |
In article <mrt84b$72o$1@reader1.panix.com>, Joseph Nebus <nebusj-@-rpi-.edu> wrote: >In <ntv1vI.162n@kithrup.com> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: > >>In article <bdcbdd35-75ac-436e-9119-60cfe1c90d2d@googlegroups.com>, >>Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > >>>Wikipedia says Internet Explorer still supports the >>>"marquee" function, and, rather grudgingly, other >>>browsers do as well. > >>Can you define "marquee"? I know from *nothing* about all these >>things. > > That is text that moves linearly, the way you see marquees in >Times Square or at the bottom of news programs do. So that at one >moment the line of text will look like: > > NEW STAR TREK MOVIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN > >and a moment later it will look like: > > NEW STAR TREK MOVIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM? > >and a moment after that the line will look like: > >VIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM? NEW STAR TREK MO > >and a moment later it will be obscured because you are looking through >options to turn off marquee text because it is the worst. Sounds *awful.* Thanks. One more thing I know to avoid. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) |
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| Date | 2015-08-30 02:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <mrtqb7$dva$2@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #421514 |
In <ntv999.1IDz@kithrup.com> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>In article <mrt84b$72o$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>Joseph Nebus <nebusj-@-rpi-.edu> wrote:
>> NEW STAR TREK MOVIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN
>>
>>and a moment later it will look like:
>>
>> NEW STAR TREK MOVIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM?
>>
>>and a moment after that the line will look like:
>>
>>VIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM? NEW STAR TREK MO
>>
>>and a moment later it will be obscured because you are looking through
>>options to turn off marquee text because it is the worst.
>Sounds *awful.* Thanks. One more thing I know to avoid.
Oh, I'm looking forward to it, actually. I have a lot of
problems with the New Trek films, but they've done a good job at
setting up stories with energy and vitality, in which the characters
seem to care whether they live or die. Compared to the inert lumps of
the Next Generation films that's worth it even if the stories don't
make sense. So, whatever the new Trek movie is doing in a quarry, I'm
optimistic.
--
Joseph Nebus
Math: Do You Have To Understand This? http://wp.me/p1RYhY-QE
Humor: iTunes, At Sixteen http://wp.me/p37lb5-WQ
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-30 12:35 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <mrvbde$b0r$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #421522 |
In article <mrtqb7$dva$2@reader1.panix.com>, nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) said: > djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: >> Joseph Nebus <nebusj-@-rpi-.edu> wrote: >> >>> NEW STAR TREK MOVIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM? >>> >>> and a moment after that the line will look like: >>> >>> VIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM? NEW STAR TREK MO >>> >>> and a moment later it will be obscured because you are looking through >>> options to turn off marquee text because it is the worst. >> >> Sounds *awful.* Thanks. One more thing I know to avoid. > > Oh, I'm looking forward to it, actually. I have a lot of problems > with the New Trek films, but they've done a good job at setting up > stories with energy and vitality, in which the characters seem to > care whether they live or die. Compared to the inert lumps of the > Next Generation films that's worth it even if the stories don't > make sense. So, whatever the new Trek movie is doing in a quarry, > I'm optimistic. "Oh look. Rocks." (By the way, I'm pretty sure Dorothy was talking about avoiding marquee text, not Trek_B.03.) -- wds
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-31 01:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <ntxAC4.15Cs@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421556 |
In article <mrvbde$b0r$1@panix2.panix.com>, William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote: >In article <mrtqb7$dva$2@reader1.panix.com>, >nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) said: > >> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: >>> Joseph Nebus <nebusj-@-rpi-.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> NEW STAR TREK MOVIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM? >>>> >>>> and a moment after that the line will look like: >>>> >>>> VIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM? NEW STAR TREK MO >>>> >>>> and a moment later it will be obscured because you are looking through >>>> options to turn off marquee text because it is the worst. >>> >>> Sounds *awful.* Thanks. One more thing I know to avoid. >> >> Oh, I'm looking forward to it, actually. I have a lot of problems >> with the New Trek films, but they've done a good job at setting up >> stories with energy and vitality, in which the characters seem to >> care whether they live or die. Compared to the inert lumps of the >> Next Generation films that's worth it even if the stories don't >> make sense. So, whatever the new Trek movie is doing in a quarry, >> I'm optimistic. > >"Oh look. Rocks." > >(By the way, I'm pretty sure Dorothy was talking about avoiding >marquee text, not Trek_B.03.) Yes. I haven't seen a Trek movie in a long time; I don't get out of the house much. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-30 22:50 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <MPG.304d8ae7d41dd0c1989af7@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #421596 |
In article <ntxAC4.15Cs@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says... > > In article <mrvbde$b0r$1@panix2.panix.com>, > William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote: > >In article <mrtqb7$dva$2@reader1.panix.com>, > >nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) said: > > > >> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: > >>> Joseph Nebus <nebusj-@-rpi-.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>>> NEW STAR TREK MOVIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM? > >>>> > >>>> and a moment after that the line will look like: > >>>> > >>>> VIE FILMING AT QUARRY - DOCTOR WHO CAMEO IN FILM? NEW STAR TREK MO > >>>> > >>>> and a moment later it will be obscured because you are looking through > >>>> options to turn off marquee text because it is the worst. > >>> > >>> Sounds *awful.* Thanks. One more thing I know to avoid. > >> > >> Oh, I'm looking forward to it, actually. I have a lot of problems > >> with the New Trek films, but they've done a good job at setting up > >> stories with energy and vitality, in which the characters seem to > >> care whether they live or die. Compared to the inert lumps of the > >> Next Generation films that's worth it even if the stories don't > >> make sense. So, whatever the new Trek movie is doing in a quarry, > >> I'm optimistic. > > > >"Oh look. Rocks." > > > >(By the way, I'm pretty sure Dorothy was talking about avoiding > >marquee text, not Trek_B.03.) > > Yes. I haven't seen a Trek movie in a long time; I don't get out > of the house much. To be honest you haven't missed much.
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 16:13 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <d4ep51F49tdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #421502 |
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >>Or, motion? (I haven't read the book, so I'm a potential >>customer. So, why am I making stupid suggestions...) > >Motion? Please tell me you don't mean text that jumps up and >down, as in the very worst online advertisements. No, he means like in the second-worst kind of ads. Text that scrolls sideways like the classic Times Square news headlines is called "marquee". And most hardware e-readers get their long battery life from a screen technology that depends on stuff not changing for long periods. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 17:24 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <b2aa8f4d-5f91-4aad-9e67-f4d443344541@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #421513 |
On Saturday, 29 August 2015 23:13:57 UTC+1, Greg Goss wrote: > djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: > >Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > > >>Or, motion? (I haven't read the book, so I'm a potential > >>customer. So, why am I making stupid suggestions...) > > > >Motion? Please tell me you don't mean text that jumps up and > >down, as in the very worst online advertisements. > > No, he means like in the second-worst kind of ads. Text that scrolls > sideways like the classic Times Square news headlines is called > "marquee". The Wikipedia article indicates that vertical motion is possible. I don't know what that looks like, maybe a mechanical car odometer or utility meter? > And most hardware e-readers get their long battery life from a screen > technology that depends on stuff not changing for long periods. You could instead gently shake the screen... hmm, no. ;-)
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-31 18:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <ntyL7s.1o28@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421513 |
Well, guys, it looks as if there is no e-format anybody can think of, except PDF, that will use different fonts -- and PDFs won't work on handhelds. Except if the user knows about some weird software that will turn PDFs into handheld-readable, which I can't expect your basic user to know about. Thanks for the thoughts, anyway. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-31 20:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <d4jnnkFbfoaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #421656 |
"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote > Well, guys, it looks as if there is no e-format anybody can think of, except PDF, that will use different fonts -- and PDFs won't work on handhelds. Except if the user knows about some weird software that will turn PDFs into handheld-readable, which I can't expect your basic user to know about. > Thanks for the thoughts, anyway. Huh ? Did you get a authoritative statement that EPub with embedded fonts can't do it ? Also, PDFs can have an reflowable mode which theoretically can deal with the variable size screen problem. I have never seen a PDF document where that was actually available (not greyed out on the menu) though. http://www.adobe.com/uk/epaper/tips/acr5reflow/ To accommodate readers with limited desktop space, you can provide them with Adobe PDF documents that can be reflowed into any sized Adobe® Acrobat® window. In a reflowed document, text remains at its original size even when the window size changes, so that it's easier to view. == https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/digital/otp/help/reflowable_text._V7985931_.html vast majority of PDF files have a fixed layout, but occasionally some PDFs can contain extensions to make them reflowable. == I Googled [reflowable pdf creator] but most references were for converting /from/ PDF -- -- Mike D
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 00:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <ntz3DC.GEw@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421658 |
In article <d4jnnkFbfoaU1@mid.individual.net>, Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote: >"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote > > >> Well, guys, it looks as if there is no e-format anybody can think >of, except PDF, that will use different fonts -- and PDFs won't >work on handhelds. Except if the user knows about some weird >software that will turn PDFs into handheld-readable, which I >can't expect your basic user to know about. > >> Thanks for the thoughts, anyway. > >Huh ? > >Did you get a authoritative statement that EPub with embedded fonts can't do >it ? I do not know how to do epub I have no idea what it will or won't do. > >Also, PDFs can have an reflowable mode which theoretically can deal with the >variable size screen problem. Yes, but unless I've completely misunderstood somebody, the *user* has to know this mode to make it work. >I have never seen a PDF document where that was actually available (not >greyed out on the menu) though. > >http://www.adobe.com/uk/epaper/tips/acr5reflow/ >To accommodate readers with limited desktop space, you can provide them with >Adobe PDF documents that can be reflowed into any sized Adobe® Acrobat® >window. In a reflowed document, text remains at its original size even when >the window size changes, so that it's easier to view. >== >https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/digital/otp/help/reflowable_text._V7985931_.html >vast majority of PDF files have a fixed layout, but occasionally some PDFs >can contain extensions to make them reflowable. >== > >I Googled [reflowable pdf creator] but most references were for converting >/from/ PDF > -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-31 22:27 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <XnsA507EE9463E8Dmelchizedek@216.166.97.131> |
| In reply to | #421674 |
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in news:ntz3DC.GEw@kithrup.com: > In article <d4jnnkFbfoaU1@mid.individual.net>, > Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote: >>"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote >> >> >>> Well, guys, it looks as if there is no e-format anybody can think >>of, except PDF, that will use different fonts -- and PDFs won't >>work on handhelds. Except if the user knows about some weird >>software that will turn PDFs into handheld-readable, which I >>can't expect your basic user to know about. >> >>> Thanks for the thoughts, anyway. >> >>Huh ? >> >>Did you get a authoritative statement that EPub with embedded fonts >>can't do it ? > > I do not know how to do epub I have no idea what it will or > won't do. >> >>Also, PDFs can have an reflowable mode which theoretically can deal >>with the variable size screen problem. > > Yes, but unless I've completely misunderstood somebody, the > *user* has to know this mode to make it work. A mode you could inform them of in the first page. pt
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 04:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <ntzEun.108E@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421678 |
In article <XnsA507EE9463E8Dmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>, Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in >news:ntz3DC.GEw@kithrup.com: > >> In article <d4jnnkFbfoaU1@mid.individual.net>, >> Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote: >>>"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote >>> >>> >>>> Well, guys, it looks as if there is no e-format anybody can think >>>of, except PDF, that will use different fonts -- and PDFs won't >>>work on handhelds. Except if the user knows about some weird >>>software that will turn PDFs into handheld-readable, which I >>>can't expect your basic user to know about. >>> >>>> Thanks for the thoughts, anyway. >>> >>>Huh ? >>> >>>Did you get a authoritative statement that EPub with embedded fonts >>>can't do it ? >> >> I do not know how to do epub I have no idea what it will or >> won't do. >>> >>>Also, PDFs can have an reflowable mode which theoretically can deal >>>with the variable size screen problem. >> >> Yes, but unless I've completely misunderstood somebody, the >> *user* has to know this mode to make it work. > >A mode you could inform them of in the first page. By way of a preface, you mean? "In order to read this book properly, please install [link]" ? Would that work, actually, or would all virus-fearing users say "Oh no you don't" and shut the whole thing down? I have asked my daughter to take a look at all this sometime; trouble is, she has a crappy job that pays peanuts by the hour, and an hour-and-a-half commute. By the time she gets home she's tired and crabby, as who wouldn't be. I just took a look at the Wikipedia entry for epub. That swishing noise you hear is it going straight over my head. Maybe I should get Hal to take a look? He might at least be able to figure out the article. (That's how I learned UNIX, many years ago. I didn't know UNIX, Hal didn't know UNIX, but *he knew how to read computer manuals.*) -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 10:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <2osauapuucqrfcjqmu8sag74f84eufu57q@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #421674 |
On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 00:44:00 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >In article <d4jnnkFbfoaU1@mid.individual.net>, >Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote: >>"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote >> >> >>> Well, guys, it looks as if there is no e-format anybody can think >>of, except PDF, that will use different fonts -- and PDFs won't >>work on handhelds. Except if the user knows about some weird >>software that will turn PDFs into handheld-readable, which I >>can't expect your basic user to know about. >> >>> Thanks for the thoughts, anyway. >> >>Huh ? >> >>Did you get a authoritative statement that EPub with embedded fonts can't do >>it ? > >I do not know how to do epub I have no idea what it will or >won't do. epub with embedded fonts should work for most readers. The dependency is that their reading device/software must support embedded fonts. Kindle doesn't support epub so use reflowable PDF for them. I suspect many people who are *not* using Kindle will be savvy enough to find out if their platform does. I'd suggest having a short downloadable test epub with the fonts in that people could try. >>Also, PDFs can have an reflowable mode which theoretically can deal with the >>variable size screen problem. > >Yes, but unless I've completely misunderstood somebody, the >*user* has to know this mode to make it work. Nope, the reader software again needs to support it. Kindle does, dunno about others. Note that you have a test audience here - many of us have a variety of ereaders. If you - or someone else - gets to the stage of being able to create a test file, we can vet it. Cheers - Jaimie -- "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James Nicoll, rasfw This signature was made by SigChanger. You can find SigChanger at: http://www.phranc.nl/
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 14:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <nu06sp.Mnu@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421686 |
In article <2osauapuucqrfcjqmu8sag74f84eufu57q@4ax.com>, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: >On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 00:44:00 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) >wrote: > >>In article <d4jnnkFbfoaU1@mid.individual.net>, >>Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote: >>>"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote >>> >>> >>>> Well, guys, it looks as if there is no e-format anybody can think >>>of, except PDF, that will use different fonts -- and PDFs won't >>>work on handhelds. Except if the user knows about some weird >>>software that will turn PDFs into handheld-readable, which I >>>can't expect your basic user to know about. >>> >>>> Thanks for the thoughts, anyway. >>> >>>Huh ? >>> >>>Did you get a authoritative statement that EPub with embedded fonts can't do >>>it ? >> >>I do not know how to do epub I have no idea what it will or >>won't do. > >epub with embedded fonts should work for most readers. The dependency is >that their reading device/software must support embedded fonts. > >Kindle doesn't support epub so use reflowable PDF for them. I suspect >many people who are *not* using Kindle will be savvy enough to find out >if their platform does. I'd suggest having a short downloadable test >epub with the fonts in that people could try. > >>>Also, PDFs can have an reflowable mode which theoretically can deal with the >>>variable size screen problem. >> >>Yes, but unless I've completely misunderstood somebody, the >>*user* has to know this mode to make it work. > >Nope, the reader software again needs to support it. Kindle does, dunno >about others. > >Note that you have a test audience here - many of us have a variety of >ereaders. If you - or someone else - gets to the stage of being able to >create a test file, we can vet it. > Okay, I have a test file in .rtf. I need to find SOMEbody who can read the epub documentation (which, I observe, is online) well enough to teach me the rudiments of turning an .rtf file into .epub. I've already mentioned how my daughter has what amounts (with commute time) to a thirteen-hour work day, and when she gets home all she wants to do is sit down and watch NCIS while she works on her embroidery. :) Maybe I can drag Hal away from LotRO and his blog-watching long enough to read the stuff. LotRO I can always join him in; it's the blogs that are the problem. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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