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| Started by | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| First post | 2015-08-19 00:48 -0400 |
| Last post | 2015-10-20 15:14 -0400 |
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Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-19 00:48 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-19 03:45 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 13:12 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations graydonish@gmail.com - 2015-08-19 07:23 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-19 16:40 +0100
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 15:51 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-08-20 10:42 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 13:10 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-19 12:25 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 16:59 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-19 11:47 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 17:01 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2015-08-19 14:01 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 20:08 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-08-19 13:23 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2015-08-21 10:36 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-21 14:57 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-21 14:27 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-21 20:01 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-21 15:20 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-22 07:17 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2015-08-22 15:50 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-22 21:10 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2015-08-22 19:23 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-23 00:46 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2015-08-23 10:41 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2015-08-24 02:01 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-24 02:18 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 22:24 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 22:26 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2015-08-24 17:23 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-24 19:01 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 12:11 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-24 18:55 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 20:18 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2015-08-25 01:49 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 22:29 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 19:55 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-08-24 18:00 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-20 08:36 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-20 06:20 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-20 13:46 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-20 07:33 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-20 09:58 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-20 14:02 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-20 11:34 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-10-21 03:34 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-10-21 11:45 +0100
Re: Two Book Recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 18:19 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-22 00:07 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-21 22:41 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-22 07:08 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 18:27 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-23 08:16 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-23 08:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-23 08:36 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-23 14:50 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-23 17:18 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-26 16:26 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 16:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-22 19:46 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 09:30 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-10-22 22:14 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 09:31 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-10-23 15:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 16:03 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-10-23 16:36 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-23 19:38 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-23 22:46 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-24 03:42 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-10-24 16:27 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 13:36 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-24 15:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-24 16:21 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-25 17:14 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-26 10:51 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-26 12:01 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-26 12:05 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-26 16:42 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-26 19:52 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-27 10:45 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-24 10:51 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-24 20:00 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 23:33 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-24 23:21 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-25 01:07 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-25 17:04 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-24 20:50 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-24 23:21 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-25 14:20 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-26 10:56 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-25 21:50 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-26 16:28 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-26 14:22 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-26 17:32 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-26 14:52 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-26 15:09 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-10-27 18:08 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-28 06:19 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-28 06:38 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-28 07:11 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-28 14:59 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-28 08:17 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-28 11:47 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-28 09:01 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-28 13:26 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-26 18:13 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-27 10:47 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 06:03 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-21 16:50 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-21 23:11 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-21 11:41 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-21 16:03 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-21 13:08 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-10-20 09:40 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-21 08:13 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-20 18:21 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-10-21 00:43 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-20 18:50 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-21 10:13 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-10-21 12:34 +1100
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-21 10:15 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-10-21 16:35 +1100
Re: Two Book Recommendations Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-10-23 15:20 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-24 08:59 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-23 09:17 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-20 10:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-20 18:07 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-20 21:20 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-10-20 08:02 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-10-23 02:32 +0100
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kay Shapero <kay@invalid.net> - 2015-10-20 22:59 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-08-25 11:07 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 22:40 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-25 08:06 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-08-26 11:44 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-26 08:54 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-26 09:06 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-26 09:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-08-27 10:25 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 04:35 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-08-24 22:17 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-25 04:34 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-25 08:10 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-25 07:49 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-25 06:27 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-25 12:50 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-26 01:17 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-31 07:31 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 11:57 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-20 15:14 -0400
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 00:48 -0400 |
| Subject | Two Book Recommendations |
| Message-ID | <1sn5pe732ddib.wf2hwr4m6ji2.dlg@40tude.net> |
A little while back Graydon Saunders dropped in and mentioned a couple of books that he’s self-published. I’ve now read them, and I can wholeheartedly recommend them. For starters, they’re probably like nothing else that you’ve ever read. In the author’s words, the first of these tales of the Commonweal is _The March North_: Egalitarian heroic fantasy. Presumptive female agency, battle-sheep, and bad, bad odds. The second is _A Succession of Bad Days_: Egalitarian heroic fantasy. Experimental magical pedagogy, non-Euclidean ancestry, and some sort of horror from beyond the world. Graydon’s voice is unique in my experience, and it requires the reader to pay attention, but the payoff is more than worth it. However, I must note that if you don’t like being dropped into the deep end of the pool to figure things out as you go along, you should probably give these books a wide berth. The setting is very, very, very far in the future, long after the introduction of magic has changed the world and its inhabitants in all sorts of ways, some of which are by no means immediately obvious. Graydon has clearly put a lot of thought into the consequences of the long-ago development that he postulates, and the resulting world makes increasingly good sense the more we (slowly) learn about it and its past. The first book is the story of a military expedition by the minimal forces not already engaged in dealing with an existential threat to the Commonweal. If you can’t abide military fantasy, it’s not for you, but there’s a lot more to it than that: it’s also an introduction to the world of the Commonweal and to some of its inhabitants. The second book takes place shortly after the end of the first and features (among others) some of the same characters. It’s not a true sequel, and one could read and enjoy it without having read the first, but I don’t recommend this: having read the first really does add to one’s enjoyment of the second and probably also makes the second a bit easier to follow. The second is a very different kind of story from the first, being the story of an experiment in training a group of sorcerers come so late to their power that they would almost certainly not survive the traditional training methods. In the process we get to see a remarkable amount of well thought out magical engineering. And this book, unlike the first, is laugh-aloud funny in spots. The characters in both are fully developed, and many of them are very easy to like – even the ones who ought to scare the pants off any reasonable person. For information on how to obtain these books see Graydon’s blog post at <http://dubiousprospects.blogspot.ca/2015/05/committing-book-again.html>. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 03:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mr1c76$qqb$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #420582 |
In article <1sn5pe732ddib.wf2hwr4m6ji2.dlg@40tude.net>, "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> said: > For information on how to obtain these books see Graydon's > blog post at > > <http://dubiousprospects.blogspot.ca/2015/05/committing-book-again.html>. Am I correct in concluding from that page that the books only exist electronically, with no print editions? -- wds
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 13:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntBzCs.1ICp@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #420584 |
In article <mr1c76$qqb$1@panix2.panix.com>, William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote: >In article <1sn5pe732ddib.wf2hwr4m6ji2.dlg@40tude.net>, >"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> said: > >> For information on how to obtain these books see Graydon's >> blog post at >> >> <http://dubiousprospects.blogspot.ca/2015/05/committing-book-again.html>. > >Am I correct in concluding from that page that the books only >exist electronically, with no print editions? Alas, you're right. I have no handheld, but was able to read it through gmail. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | graydonish@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 07:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2450ba8b-3df2-4c1d-9df9-04a11d34c394@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #420584 |
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 3:45:44 AM UTC-4, William December Starr wrote: > Am I correct in concluding from that page that the books only > exist electronically, with no print editions? You are. Print is beyond my means, for all the usual reasons of competent design not coming cheap and moving physical books being expensive. The second book Brian so kindly mentions is of a length that makes print specialized and tricky, too; I don't think print-on-demand would work well. And while I have been absolutely delighted to find out that these books have found more friends than I expected them to find, it's not in absolute terms a large number. I would be very surprised were an established publishing house to express an interest. So unless POD gets unexpectedly much better, I don't foresee any print editions. Sorry! Graydon
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| From | "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 16:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d3jmbfFc5cpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #420603 |
Graydon wrote
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 3:45:44 AM UTC-4, William December Starr
> wrote:
>> Am I correct in concluding from that page that the books only
>> exist electronically, with no print editions?
>You are.
> Print is beyond my means, for all the usual reasons of competent design
> not coming cheap and moving physical books being expensive.
> The second book Brian so kindly mentions is of a length that makes print
> specialized and tricky, too; I don't think print-on-demand would work
> well.
> And while I have been absolutely delighted to find out that these books
> have found more friends than I expected them to find, it's not in absolute
> terms a large number. I would be very surprised were an established
> publishing house to express an interest.
> So unless POD gets unexpectedly much better, I don't foresee any print
> editions.
https://www.smashwords.com/swdirect
Smashwords Direct allows you to upload your own professionally designed
.epub file to Smashwords. You can use Smashwords Direct to replace a
Smashwords Meatgrinder-generated .epub with your own EPUB file, or you can
use it when uploading a new title (simply upload the EPUB rather than an MS
Word DOC file). We support direct upload of both EPUB2 and EPUB3 files.
{...}
Limitation: If you upload an .epub file for a new book, that will become
the only available format
==
So freeing you from Word.
>>> for non-Americans, Smashwords pays by PayPal only
If your CU will accept direct credits and send direct debits this isn't a
problem. My bank knows nothing about PayPal except that they are authorised.
Greetings and Conga Rats from rec.arts.sf.composition.
--
Mike D
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 15:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntC6qK.1wwt@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #420603 |
In article <2450ba8b-3df2-4c1d-9df9-04a11d34c394@googlegroups.com>, <graydonish@gmail.com> wrote: > >And while I have been absolutely delighted to find out that these books >have found more friends than I expected them to find, it's not in >absolute terms a large number. I would be very surprised were an >established publishing house to express an interest. Alas, you're right. I love your work, but it is caviar to the general. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-20 10:42 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <d3kt42FlejlU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #420603 |
On 19/08/2015 10:23 pm, graydonish@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 3:45:44 AM UTC-4, William December Starr wrote: >> Am I correct in concluding from that page that the books only >> exist electronically, with no print editions? > > You are. > > Print is beyond my means, for all the usual reasons of competent design not coming cheap and moving physical books being expensive. > > The second book Brian so kindly mentions is of a length that makes print specialized and tricky, too; I don't think print-on-demand would work well. > > And while I have been absolutely delighted to find out that these books have found more friends than I expected them to find, it's not in absolute terms a large number. I would be very surprised were an established publishing house to express an interest. > > So unless POD gets unexpectedly much better, I don't foresee any print editions. Oh, well. I've bought March North anyway, but I tend not to read ebooks except when I'm away on holiday, which doesn't happen very often. -- Robert Bannister Perth, Western Australia
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 13:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntBzA0.1I8p@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #420582 |
In article <1sn5pe732ddib.wf2hwr4m6ji2.dlg@40tude.net>, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >A little while back Graydon Saunders dropped in and >mentioned a couple of books that he’s self-published. I’ve >now read them, and I can wholeheartedly recommend them. Seconded. Graydon dropped in because he asked me, in email, whether rasf-w was still alive, and I said, More or less. This was after I'd read his books (having found them mentioned on Patricia Wrede's blog). I sit in awe of Graydon's ability to do things with words. >For starters, they’re probably like nothing else that >you’ve ever read. In the author’s words, the first of >these tales of the Commonweal is > ..... >Graydon’s voice is unique in my experience, and it requires >the reader to pay attention, but the payoff is more than >worth it. However, I must note that if you don’t like >being dropped into the deep end of the pool to figure >things out as you go along, you should probably give these >books a wide berth. Except if you can get past page two or three, you're hooked. Or at least I was. > >The setting is very, very, very far in the future ... Actually, not. A different world entirely, not future Earth at all. I asked him about this, and if it's a different world why does it use the French Revolutionary calendar? And he said, To clue the reader that the society depicted did undergo a profound revolution a few centuries before. >....Graydon has clearly put a >lot of thought into the consequences of the long-ago >development that he postulates, and the resulting world >makes increasingly good sense the more we (slowly) learn >about it and its past. > >The first book is the story of a military expedition by the >minimal forces not already engaged in dealing with an >existential threat to the Commonweal. If you can’t abide >military fantasy, it’s not for you, but there’s a lot more >to it than that: it’s also an introduction to the world of >the Commonweal and to some of its inhabitants. > >The second book takes place shortly after the end of the >first and features (among others) some of the same >characters. It’s not a true sequel, and one could read and >enjoy it without having read the first, but I don’t >recommend this: having read the first really does add to >one’s enjoyment of the second and probably also makes the >second a bit easier to follow. The second book does share a few characters with the first. I got two pages into it and observed a character I'd seen before, not named by name but described by chosen appearance, and I said, "Oh, that's [Name,] good; everything's going to be all right." This took Graydon back a bit. > >The second is a very different kind of story from the >first, being the story of an experiment in training a group >of sorcerers come so late to their power that they would >almost certainly not survive the traditional training >methods. In the process we get to see a remarkable amount >of well thought out magical engineering. And this book, >unlike the first, is laugh-aloud funny in spots. The first is a battle story, set out in gory detail. The second is, almost, a school story, in which the students are taught what amounts to Zen physics. >The characters in both are fully developed, and many of >them are very easy to like – even the ones who ought to >scare the pants off any reasonable person. Like [Name] mentioned above. > >For information on how to obtain these books see Graydon’s >blog post at > ><http://dubiousprospects.blogspot.ca/2015/05/committing-book-again.html>. I wrote a review of the second book and posted it here, a while back. I compared his prose to the artwork of the Book of Kells. Gosh he's good. He's now doing the final tidying-up on a third, hoping to publish next spring. Several more are in the works. /gleefully rubs hands together -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 12:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <qfzjnrmubw81.5pggi6u73lnh.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #420598 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:10:48 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:ntBzA0.1I8p@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > In article <1sn5pe732ddib.wf2hwr4m6ji2.dlg@40tude.net>, > Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: [...] >>The setting is very, very, very far in the future ... > Actually, not. A different world entirely, not future > Earth at all. Ah, okay. A world with a very long past behind it, then. [...] Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 16:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntC9vr.22u3@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #420610 |
In article <qfzjnrmubw81.5pggi6u73lnh.dlg@40tude.net>, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:10:48 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt ><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote >in<news:ntBzA0.1I8p@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > >> In article <1sn5pe732ddib.wf2hwr4m6ji2.dlg@40tude.net>, >> Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: > >[...] > >>>The setting is very, very, very far in the future ... > >> Actually, not. A different world entirely, not future >> Earth at all. > >Ah, okay. A world with a very long past behind it, then. > >[...] Yes, and a nasty one. All the vicious "weeds" (monsters plant, animal, and none-of-the-above) are the descendants of long-ago sorcerous bioweapons. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 11:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <b6qdnTjI-O-hLknInZ2dnUU7-XmdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #420582 |
On 2015-08-19, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: > A little while back Graydon Saunders dropped in and > mentioned a couple of books that he???s self-published. I've > now read them, and I can wholeheartedly recommend them. DAMMIT GRAYDON. (And Connolly.) I didn't want to start buying e-books en masse... Dave, will trade time for money and money for books, for food -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd/ -net.legends/Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 17:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntC9yG.233M@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #420614 |
In article <b6qdnTjI-O-hLknInZ2dnUU7-XmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, David DeLaney <dbd@vic.com> wrote: >On 2015-08-19, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >> A little while back Graydon Saunders dropped in and >> mentioned a couple of books that he???s self-published. I've >> now read them, and I can wholeheartedly recommend them. > >DAMMIT GRAYDON. (And Connolly.) I didn't want to start buying e-books en >masse... I didn't either. As I said somewhere upthread, I don't have any kind of handheld electronic reader. But it did eventually become possible to read them on my PC via googlereads or something like that. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 14:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mr2jnt$1mg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #420614 |
On 8/19/2015 11:47 AM, David DeLaney wrote: > On 2015-08-19, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >> A little while back Graydon Saunders dropped in and >> mentioned a couple of books that he???s self-published. I've >> now read them, and I can wholeheartedly recommend them. > > DAMMIT GRAYDON. (And Connolly.) I didn't want to start buying e-books en > masse... > > Dave, will trade time for money and money for books, for food "Read to Live, Live to Read". Lynn
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 20:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntCIM9.FAL@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #420626 |
In article <mr2jnt$1mg$1@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> wrote: >On 8/19/2015 11:47 AM, David DeLaney wrote: >> On 2015-08-19, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >>> A little while back Graydon Saunders dropped in and >>> mentioned a couple of books that he???s self-published. I've >>> now read them, and I can wholeheartedly recommend them. >> >> DAMMIT GRAYDON. (And Connolly.) I didn't want to start buying e-books en >> masse... >> >> Dave, will trade time for money and money for books, for food > >"Read to Live, Live to Read". I'll point out that the books cost eight bucks and change apiece, which for their length isn't so bad. Apparently Graydon is selling more copies than he anticipated, but he still isn't gonna quit his day job. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 13:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mr2ogg$ksf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #420626 |
In article <mr2jnt$1mg$1@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> wrote: > On 8/19/2015 11:47 AM, David DeLaney wrote: > > On 2015-08-19, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: > >> A little while back Graydon Saunders dropped in and > >> mentioned a couple of books that he???s self-published. I've > >> now read them, and I can wholeheartedly recommend them. > > > > DAMMIT GRAYDON. (And Connolly.) I didn't want to start buying e-books en > > masse... > > > > Dave, will trade time for money and money for books, for food > > "Read to Live, Live to Read". > > Lynn Time Enough at Last! (Just make sure to bring a spare set of cheaters...) -- Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q
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| From | Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-21 10:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mr7cv5$5qc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #420582 |
On 8/19/2015 12:48 AM, Brian M. Scott wrote: > A little while back Graydon Saunders dropped in and > mentioned a couple of books that he’s self-published. I’ve > now read them, and I can wholeheartedly recommend them. > > For starters, they’re probably like nothing else that > you’ve ever read. In the author’s words, the first of > these tales of the Commonweal is > > _The March North_: Egalitarian heroic fantasy. > Presumptive female agency, battle-sheep, and bad, > bad odds. > > The second is > > _A Succession of Bad Days_: Egalitarian heroic fantasy. > Experimental magical pedagogy, non-Euclidean ancestry, > and some sort of horror from beyond the world. > > Graydon’s voice is unique in my experience, and it requires > the reader to pay attention, but the payoff is more than > worth it. However, I must note that if you don’t like > being dropped into the deep end of the pool to figure > things out as you go along, you should probably give these > books a wide berth. > > The setting is very, very, very far in the future, long > after the introduction of magic has changed the world and > its inhabitants in all sorts of ways, some of which are by > no means immediately obvious. Graydon has clearly put a > lot of thought into the consequences of the long-ago > development that he postulates, and the resulting world > makes increasingly good sense the more we (slowly) learn > about it and its past. > > The first book is the story of a military expedition by the > minimal forces not already engaged in dealing with an > existential threat to the Commonweal. If you can’t abide > military fantasy, it’s not for you, but there’s a lot more > to it than that: it’s also an introduction to the world of > the Commonweal and to some of its inhabitants. > > The second book takes place shortly after the end of the > first and features (among others) some of the same > characters. It’s not a true sequel, and one could read and > enjoy it without having read the first, but I don’t > recommend this: having read the first really does add to > one’s enjoyment of the second and probably also makes the > second a bit easier to follow. > > The second is a very different kind of story from the > first, being the story of an experiment in training a group > of sorcerers come so late to their power that they would > almost certainly not survive the traditional training > methods. In the process we get to see a remarkable amount > of well thought out magical engineering. And this book, > unlike the first, is laugh-aloud funny in spots. > > The characters in both are fully developed, and many of > them are very easy to like – even the ones who ought to > scare the pants off any reasonable person. > > For information on how to obtain these books see Graydon’s > blog post at > > <http://dubiousprospects.blogspot.ca/2015/05/committing-book-again.html>. > > Brian > After all the praise here I went ahead and bought The March North. I have only had a chance to read the first few pages but it reminds me a bit of The Black Company so far.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-21 14:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntFtKK.u4p@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #420767 |
In article <mr7cv5$5qc$1@dont-email.me>, Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> wrote: >On 8/19/2015 12:48 AM, Brian M. Scott wrote: >> A little while back Graydon Saunders dropped in and >> mentioned a couple of books that he’s self-published. I’ve >> now read them, and I can wholeheartedly recommend them. >> >> For starters, they’re probably like nothing else that >> you’ve ever read. In the author’s words, the first of >> these tales of the Commonweal is >> >> _The March North_: Egalitarian heroic fantasy. >> Presumptive female agency, battle-sheep, and bad, >> bad odds. >> >> The second is >> >> _A Succession of Bad Days_: Egalitarian heroic fantasy. >> Experimental magical pedagogy, non-Euclidean ancestry, >> and some sort of horror from beyond the world. >> >> Graydon’s voice is unique in my experience, and it requires >> the reader to pay attention, but the payoff is more than >> worth it. However, I must note that if you don’t like >> being dropped into the deep end of the pool to figure >> things out as you go along, you should probably give these >> books a wide berth. >> >> The setting is very, very, very far in the future, long >> after the introduction of magic has changed the world and >> its inhabitants in all sorts of ways, some of which are by >> no means immediately obvious. Graydon has clearly put a >> lot of thought into the consequences of the long-ago >> development that he postulates, and the resulting world >> makes increasingly good sense the more we (slowly) learn >> about it and its past. >> >> The first book is the story of a military expedition by the >> minimal forces not already engaged in dealing with an >> existential threat to the Commonweal. If you can’t abide >> military fantasy, it’s not for you, but there’s a lot more >> to it than that: it’s also an introduction to the world of >> the Commonweal and to some of its inhabitants. >> >> The second book takes place shortly after the end of the >> first and features (among others) some of the same >> characters. It’s not a true sequel, and one could read and >> enjoy it without having read the first, but I don’t >> recommend this: having read the first really does add to >> one’s enjoyment of the second and probably also makes the >> second a bit easier to follow. >> >> The second is a very different kind of story from the >> first, being the story of an experiment in training a group >> of sorcerers come so late to their power that they would >> almost certainly not survive the traditional training >> methods. In the process we get to see a remarkable amount >> of well thought out magical engineering. And this book, >> unlike the first, is laugh-aloud funny in spots. >> >> The characters in both are fully developed, and many of >> them are very easy to like – even the ones who ought to >> scare the pants off any reasonable person. >> >> For information on how to obtain these books see Graydon’s >> blog post at >> >> <http://dubiousprospects.blogspot.ca/2015/05/committing-book-again.html>. >> >> Brian >> > > >After all the praise here I went ahead and bought The March North. I >have only had a chance to read the first few pages but it reminds me a >bit of The Black Company so far. I haven't read The Black Company, so I can't make a comparison. Perhaps when you've finished it, you can post again and tell us about similarities and dissimilarities? -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2015-08-21 14:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdke1yiq4jds.sd65qhghzlbq.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #420767 |
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 10:36:49 -0400, Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> wrote in<news:mr7cv5$5qc$1@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written: [...] > After all the praise here I went ahead and bought The > March North. I have only had a chance to read the first > few pages but it reminds me a bit of The Black Company > so far. You’re not the first to make that observation. That’s about the only comparison that I can come up with, though overall it doesn’t really satisfy me. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-08-21 20:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntG7n4.1JC5@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #420780 |
In article <pdke1yiq4jds.sd65qhghzlbq.dlg@40tude.net>, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 10:36:49 -0400, Magewolf ><Magewolf@nc.rr.com> wrote >in<news:mr7cv5$5qc$1@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written: > >[...] > >> After all the praise here I went ahead and bought The >> March North. I have only had a chance to read the first >> few pages but it reminds me a bit of The Black Company >> so far. > >You’re not the first to make that observation. That’s >about the only comparison that I can come up with, though >overall it doesn’t really satisfy me. > As I said, I haven't read _The Black Company._ What it reminded me of mostly was a real war story, one from maybe WWII, following a smallish group through a largish battle. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-21 15:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <RN-dnelinKudFUrInZ2dnUU7-f-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #420767 |
On 2015-08-21, Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> wrote: > On 8/19/2015 12:48 AM, Brian M. Scott wrote: >> A little while back Graydon Saunders dropped in and >> mentioned a couple of books that he???s self-published. I???ve >> now read them, and I can wholeheartedly recommend them. > > After all the praise here I went ahead and bought The March North. I > have only had a chance to read the first few pages but it reminds me a > bit of The Black Company so far. I have read The March North over the past couple of days, and give it about seven stars out of five. Military epic fantasy, with power level turned up past eleven, because, really, when one of the qualifications for becoming a top-rank sorcerer is _successfully_ completing the ritual that makes you immortal (well, unaging and rather hard to damage or sicken), over the centuries top-rank sorcerers tend to accumulate, IF there's a social contract that's magically enforceable in place that stops them killing each other off and/or becoming the next Dark Lord and enslaving some tens or hundreds of miles around them. And one of the obvious uses for top-rank sorcerers is in the military, of course. (Several of the obvious uses are, actually.) Oh, and for those of you who are amused by the descriptions here of FOOF, about the third-worst-possible oxidizer for rockets ever dreamed up, and the pipeline.corante.com blog? Take a look at chapter 17... Reminiscent of the Black Company, yes, but curiously easier to absorb the background slow-reveals and worldbuilding info on, and I found the characters easier to understand. More human, ironically enough. Good show! Dave, not only are there easter eggs, but they're EXPLOSIVE ones ps: will start book 2 pretty soon -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd/ -net.legends/Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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