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Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics

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First post2015-09-18 10:50 -0700
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  Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-18 10:50 -0700
    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 14:53 -0400
      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 15:33 -0400
        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-18 20:03 +0000
          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 18:03 -0400
            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> - 2015-09-18 17:13 -0700
              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 04:06 -0400
            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 23:04 -0400
              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-19 04:48 +0000
                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 04:08 -0400
                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-19 13:22 -0700
                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-19 13:43 -0700
                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-19 13:54 -0700
                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> - 2015-09-19 15:51 -0700
                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-21 14:03 -0700
                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-21 14:45 -0700
                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-21 22:16 -0700
                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-19 09:35 -0700
                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-19 18:12 +0000
                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-19 12:54 -0700
                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 16:30 -0400
                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-19 13:22 -0700
                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-19 22:23 +0000
                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-19 17:10 -0700
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-20 01:15 +0000
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-19 22:33 -0400
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-20 03:09 +0000
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 00:45 -0400
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-19 20:17 -0700
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-20 05:35 +0000
                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-20 00:20 +0000
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-20 01:20 +0000
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-20 15:28 +0000
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-20 17:22 +0000
                                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-20 18:18 +0000
                                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-20 11:31 -0700
                                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-20 18:50 +0000
                                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-20 20:49 +0000
                                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-23 15:49 -0700
                                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 16:20 -0700
                                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-20 18:46 +0000
                                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-20 20:53 +0000
                                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-20 21:31 +0000
                                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 19:08 -0400
                                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-20 23:17 +0000
                                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-20 23:36 +0000
                                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-20 23:34 +0000
                                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-21 00:00 +0000
                                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-21 00:06 +0000
                                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-21 02:16 +0000
                                                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-21 02:42 +0000
                                                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-21 04:57 +0000
                                                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-21 05:23 +0000
                                                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-21 06:13 +0000
                                                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-21 13:18 +0000
                                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-21 14:49 -0700
          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 18:24 -0400
          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-19 06:14 -0700
            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics puppetsock <puppet_sock@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-23 07:44 -0700
        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2015-09-19 00:46 -0700
          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 04:09 -0400
            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2015-09-19 11:57 -0700
              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 16:23 -0400
                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 17:43 -0400
                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> - 2015-09-19 18:00 -0400
                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 18:59 -0400
                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> - 2015-09-20 15:11 -0400
                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-20 15:24 -0400
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 18:44 -0400
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-20 18:40 -0400
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 19:18 -0400
                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 15:54 -0400
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> - 2015-09-20 17:17 -0400
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 19:05 -0400
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-20 20:30 -0600
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-21 14:33 -0700
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 19:43 -0400
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-22 10:28 -0700
                                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 18:48 -0400
                                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 15:41 -0700
                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-20 16:03 -0400
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> - 2015-09-20 17:22 -0400
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 18:51 -0400
                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 00:29 -0400
                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-19 23:17 -0700
                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> - 2015-09-19 23:19 -0700
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-19 23:57 -0700
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-20 12:03 -0700
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-21 13:51 -0700
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-20 00:01 -0700
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-20 00:06 -0700
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-20 08:24 -0700
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> - 2015-09-20 08:29 -0700
                                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 12:04 -0400
                                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-20 16:00 -0400
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 07:42 -0400
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-20 15:57 -0400
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 18:48 -0400
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-20 23:27 -0700
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-20 23:33 -0700
                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-19 17:27 -0700
                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 20:53 -0400
              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 17:25 -0400
              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-20 10:52 -0400
                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> - 2015-09-20 08:30 -0700
          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-19 09:33 -0700
            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2015-09-19 11:57 -0700
              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-19 13:07 -0700
                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-19 16:13 -0400
                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 16:21 -0400
                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-19 13:33 -0700
                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 20:17 -0400
                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-19 17:28 -0700
                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 00:54 -0400
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> - 2015-09-19 22:32 -0700
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-09-20 06:01 +0000
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-20 11:47 -0700
                                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics BTR1701 <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-20 15:51 -0500
                                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> - 2015-09-20 16:55 -0700
                                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-09-20 23:56 +0000
                                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-20 23:35 -0700
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-20 14:10 -0700
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 03:31 -0400
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-19 23:09 -0700
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-20 11:57 -0700
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-21 13:54 -0700
                                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-21 14:55 -0700
                                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 15:05 -0700
                                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 19:53 -0400
                                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-22 10:30 -0700
                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-19 19:07 -0700
                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-23 14:55 -0700
                          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-23 14:58 -0700
                            Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-23 18:38 -0400
                              Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 16:18 -0700
                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-19 20:34 -0700
                  Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-19 17:22 -0700
                    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 13:07 -0700
                      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Chrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 15:09 -0600
                        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 13:08 -0700
                Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2015-09-21 01:22 -0700
          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 10:26 -0700
          Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> - 2015-09-19 17:51 -0400
      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-18 12:59 -0700
        Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> - 2015-09-18 17:14 -0700
      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-18 23:03 -0700
    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics patmpowers@gmail.com - 2015-09-18 12:38 -0700
    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics patmpowers@gmail.com - 2015-09-19 20:40 -0700
    Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Persecute Global Warming Skeptics Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> - 2015-09-22 19:48 -0400
      Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Persecute Global Warming Skeptics Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-23 12:06 -0700

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#423293

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-09-20 23:35 -0700
Message-ID<55FFA516.713E@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#423251
BTR1701 wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > Now, all you Global Warming Skeptics/Deniers if you know whats good for
> > you then pack up and
> > leave the country...
> >
> > go to the south pole.
> 
> Come at me, bro.
> 
> I like my odds.



When 'the scientist' come looking for you, don't ask me to hide you in
the attic.

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#423253

Frompetertrei@gmail.com
Date2015-09-20 14:10 -0700
Message-ID<26e428b0-4a95-4cfe-a34d-daecaca7cb63@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423192
Drifting a little off topic, but worth the time, is this spectacular Infographic about casualties during and after WW2:
http://www.fallen.io/ww2/
Most Westerners are unaware of the scale of the losses suffered by the USSR and China.

Put

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#423200

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-20 03:31 -0400
Message-ID<mtln9r$9sj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#423191
On 2015-09-20 05:32:44 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:

> In article <mtle2i$75o$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-09-20 00:28:34 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:
>> 
>>> In article <mtktre$s2r$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2015-09-19 20:33:56 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:
>>>> 
>>>>> In article <mtkg13$a4v$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2015-09-19 20:07:45 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why is it the Left, when given the power, always wants to jail or
>>>>>>> execute anyone who dissents or disagrees with them?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Same old lie.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Except it's not.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Who has been jailed? Who has been executed?
>>>>> 
>>>>> In this case, no one yet. The Warmists have certainly expressed the
>>>>> desire for jailings, however. Which is what I said: "...always wants
>>>>> to..."
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the broader sense, millions have been jailed and executed by leftists
>>>>> on the loose. Mao, Stalin, Guevara, Castro... the list is voluminous.
>>>> 
>>>> You left out that guy with the little mustache... why?
>>> 
>>> My apologies. I had no idea he means so much to you.
>> 
>> Well, he's the pinnacle of murderers
> 
> Not hardly. Stalin and Mao both beat him by a significant number.
> 
>> Did you just forget the worst of the worst?
> 
> No, 'cause he's not.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/

Today, 

> after two decades of access to Eastern European archives, and thanks to 
> the work of German, Russian, Israeli, and other scholars, we can 
> resolve the question of numbers. The total number of noncombatants 
> killed by the Germans—about 11 million—is roughly what we had thought. 
> The total number of civilians killed by the Soviets, however, is 
> considerably less than we had believed. We know now that the Germans 
> killed more people than the Soviets did. That said, the issue of 
> quality is more complex than was once thought.
-- 
"Didn't believe we needed to "Make America Great Again" - until I saw 
the people we're seriously considering putting on the Presidential 
ballot." - Kelly Hines 2015

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#423193

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-09-19 23:09 -0700
Message-ID<55FE4D98.2148@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#423190
FPP wrote:
> 
> On 2015-09-20 00:28:34 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:
> 
> > In article <mtktre$s2r$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2015-09-19 20:33:56 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:
> >>
> >>> In article <mtkg13$a4v$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2015-09-19 20:07:45 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Why is it the Left, when given the power, always wants to jail or
> >>>>> execute anyone who dissents or disagrees with them?
> >>>>
> >>>> Same old lie.
> >>>
> >>> Except it's not.
> >>>
> >>>> Who has been jailed? Who has been executed?
> >>>
> >>> In this case, no one yet. The Warmists have certainly expressed the
> >>> desire for jailings, however. Which is what I said: "...always wants
> >>> to..."
> >>>
> >>> In the broader sense, millions have been jailed and executed by leftists
> >>> on the loose. Mao, Stalin, Guevara, Castro... the list is voluminous.
> >>
> >> You left out that guy with the little mustache... why?
> >
> > My apologies. I had no idea he means so much to you.
> 
> Well, he's the pinnacle of murderers, and, yet you left him off your
> list of leftist killers.
> 
> Did you just forget the worst of the worst?  Or didn't you want to
> admit that the biggest slaughterer wasn't a leftist, but a right wing
> psychopath?
> 
> It kind of knocks your premise into a cocked hat...where it belongs.


I don't know who you people are talking about...
who is this "leftist killer" or "the pinnacle of murderers" that his name was left out????

Who are you people talking about????


If yous are talking about "that guy with the little mustache"....then yous must be greatly mistaken.


"that guy with the little mustache" never hurt anyone. 

Are there any photos of "that guy with the little mustache" killing anyone, or hitting anyone, or slapping anyone, or yelling at anyone?


Yous have been watching to much Hollywood TV.

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#423236

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2015-09-20 11:57 -0700
Message-ID<f67093e6-5722-4476-b938-461db82e88b6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423193
On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 12:08:55 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:

> Are there any photos of "that guy with the little mustache" killing anyone, or 
> hitting anyone, or slapping anyone, or yelling at anyone?

Well, he did run a country called Germany, and at the time when he was giving 
the orders there, the forces of the German government certainly did kill lots 
of people; there was this unpleasantness called "World War II"; surely you've 
heard of it?

And there is film of him raising his voice when giving speeches, although that 
might not count.

John Savard

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#423330

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-09-21 13:54 -0700
Message-ID<56006E6C.4507@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#423236
Quadibloc wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 12:08:55 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > Are there any photos of "that guy with the little mustache" killing anyone, or
> > hitting anyone, or slapping anyone, or yelling at anyone?
> 
> Well, he did run a country called Germany, and at the time when he was giving
> the orders there, the forces of the German government certainly did kill lots
> of people; there was this unpleasantness called "World War II"; surely you've
> heard of it?
> 
> And there is film of him raising his voice when giving speeches, although that
> might not count.
> 
> John Savard



I don't understand what you're getting at..

Well, the President of the U.S. did run a country called America, and at
the time when he was giving
 the orders there, the forces of the American government certainly did
kill lots
 of people; there was this unpleasantness called "World War II"; surely
you've
 heard of it?
 
 And there is film of him raising his voice when giving speeches,
although that
 might not count.

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#423342

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2015-09-21 14:55 -0700
Message-ID<8b0107e2-a09a-4f10-91f7-e318ef33430e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423330
On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 2:54:06 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:

> I don't understand what you're getting at..

Who started that war? It was Hitler who ordered Germany to invade first 
Czechoslovakia and then Poland.

When he invaded Poland, after promising not to grab anything else, it was clear 
he was not to be trusted - and Poland's coal reserves would have given Germany 
the ability to wage a protracted war. Thus, France and Britain quite properly 
acted to try to stop Hitler before he got his hands on Poland's coal supplies; 
they failed, so Germany conquered nearly all of Continental Europe, and was 
only defeated because the United States entered the war fully after Pearl 
Harbor.

John Savard

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#423343

FromShawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-21 15:05 -0700
Message-ID<d50fdc4d-1829-48fb-8228-50d8d86ecd9d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423342
On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 2:55:11 PM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:


> When he invaded Poland, after promising not to grab anything else, it was clear 
> he was not to be trusted - and Poland's coal reserves would have given Germany 
> the ability to wage a protracted war. Thus, France and Britain quite properly 
> acted to try to stop Hitler before he got his hands on Poland's coal supplies; 
> they failed, so Germany conquered nearly all of Continental Europe, and was 
> only defeated because the United States entered the war fully after Pearl 
> Harbor.


The USSR would have taken down Hitler eventually even if the US hadn't gotten involved.  With neither the US nor Lend-Lease it might have been iffy though.

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#423349

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-21 19:53 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.306a627e20546766989b69@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#423342
In article <8b0107e2-a09a-4f10-91f7-e318ef33430e@googlegroups.com>, 
jsavard@ecn.ab.ca says...
> 
> On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 2:54:06 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > I don't understand what you're getting at..
> 
> Who started that war? It was Hitler who ordered Germany to invade first 
> Czechoslovakia and then Poland.
> 
> When he invaded Poland, after promising not to grab anything else, it was clear 
> he was not to be trusted - and Poland's coal reserves would have given Germany 
> the ability to wage a protracted war. Thus, France and Britain quite properly 
> acted to try to stop Hitler before he got his hands on Poland's coal supplies; 
> they failed, so Germany conquered nearly all of Continental Europe, and was 
> only defeated because the United States entered the war fully after Pearl 
> Harbor.

That's a nice fantasy.  The reality is that they were defeated because 
Hitler made the same stupid mistake as Napoleon, he invaded Russia and 
Russia ate him for breakfast.

The US invasion certainly shortened the war, but the main effect was 
that by meeting the Russians in Germany they were effectively prevented 
from going all the way to the Atlantic.  If the US had stayed neutral 
the Soviet would have ended up in control of all of continental Europe.

Sure, Stalin _wanted_ a three-front war, but he didn't _need_ one.

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#423395

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2015-09-22 10:30 -0700
Message-ID<c56a4e96-1020-4cdd-bf50-1525b2c2eeff@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423349
On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5:45:05 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
> If the US had stayed neutral 
> the Soviet would have ended up in control of all of continental Europe.

Which would have been a tragedy on the same scale as Hitler winning World War II, 
so I didn't worry about the details.

John Savard

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#423180

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2015-09-19 19:07 -0700
Message-ID<de6c06c5-eb09-4826-a17f-80a51bab85e5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423169
On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 6:17:40 PM UTC-6, FPP wrote:
> On 2015-09-19 20:33:56 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:

> > In the broader sense, millions have been jailed and executed by leftists
> > on the loose. Mao, Stalin, Guevara, Castro... the list is voluminous.

> You left out that guy with the little mustache... why?

He was't a leftist. So he doesn't belong on that list.

John Savard

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#423532

FromKevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
Date2015-09-23 14:55 -0700
Message-ID<da52346c-f23d-4493-ba49-bed0acd70433@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423180
On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 10:07:08 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 6:17:40 PM UTC-6, FPP wrote:
> > On 2015-09-19 20:33:56 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:
> 
> > > In the broader sense, millions have been jailed and executed by leftists
> > > on the loose. Mao, Stalin, Guevara, Castro... the list is voluminous.
> 
> > You left out that guy with the little mustache... why?
> 
> He was't a leftist. So he doesn't belong on that list.

That's debatable.

He was a statist, so, subbing in "race" for "class," it was
pretty much the same thing, just with moar "Cult of Personality."
Stalinists and advocates of the paperhanger belong in the
same corner of the Nolan Chart.

I do think that throwing the "commie" card at people is a bit
much.  People skeptical of the Anthropogenic Global Warming 
hypothesis, and the political environmental movement as a 
whole, have long posited that ex-state-socialists are hiding
behind concern for the planet as a justification for central
planning and an intrusive government. Reds turning green.
Watermelonism.

After Communism" by Robert Heilbroner 
The New Yorker, September 10, 1990 P. 91 

"Socialism may not continue as an important force now that Communism is finished. But another way of looking at socialism is as the society that 
must emerge if humanity is to cope with the ecological burden that economic growth is placing on the environment."

I would assume, until I saw real totalitarian actions, that most
socialists with environmentalist motivations aren't actually


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#423534

FromKevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
Date2015-09-23 14:58 -0700
Message-ID<d646c095-d4aa-409a-9e43-d8aa4a340865@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423532
On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 5:55:39 PM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
> On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 10:07:08 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 6:17:40 PM UTC-6, FPP wrote:
> > > On 2015-09-19 20:33:56 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:
> > 
> > > > In the broader sense, millions have been jailed and executed by leftists
> > > > on the loose. Mao, Stalin, Guevara, Castro... the list is voluminous.
> > 
> > > You left out that guy with the little mustache... why?
> > 
> > He was't a leftist. So he doesn't belong on that list.
> 
> That's debatable.
> 
> He was a statist, so, subbing in "race" for "class," it was
> pretty much the same thing, just with moar "Cult of Personality."
> Stalinists and advocates of the paperhanger belong in the
> same corner of the Nolan Chart.
> 
> I do think that throwing the "commie" card at people is a bit
> much.  People skeptical of the Anthropogenic Global Warming 
> hypothesis, and the political environmental movement as a 
> whole, have long posited that ex-state-socialists are hiding
> behind concern for the planet as a justification for central
> planning and an intrusive government. Reds turning green.
> Watermelonism.
> 
> After Communism" by Robert Heilbroner 
> The New Yorker, September 10, 1990 P. 91 
> 
> "Socialism may not continue as an important force now that Communism is finished. But another way of looking at socialism is as the society that 
> must emerge if humanity is to cope with the ecological burden that economic growth is placing on the environment."
> 
> 
Oops, software glitch!

I would assume, until I saw real totalitarian actions, that most
socialists with environmentalist motivations aren't actually
totalitarians, though they may be dupes of those who are.

An article on the Reason Hit and Run Blog pointed me to:

http://judithcurry.com/2015/09/17/rico/  which 

[quotes]

Peter Webster did not exaggerate when he wrote:

You have signed the death warrant for science.

[/quote]

Kevin R

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#423538

Fromwdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr)
Date2015-09-23 18:38 -0400
Message-ID<mtv9l4$hi$1@panix3.panix.com>
In reply to#423534
In article <d646c095-d4aa-409a-9e43-d8aa4a340865@googlegroups.com>,
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> said:

> I do think that throwing the "commie" card at people is a bit
> much.  People skeptical of the Anthropogenic Global Warming
> hypothesis, and the political environmental movement as a
> whole, have long posited that ex-state-socialists are hiding
> behind concern for the planet as a justification for central
> planning and an intrusive government.

Yes they have.  From the outside we call that "crazy".  Or possibly
"projection," as in "The only reason why *I'd* present as caring
about the environment like that would be to advance my own power
bloc, therefore..."

> I would assume, until I saw real totalitarian actions, that most
> socialists with environmentalist motivations aren't actually
> totalitarians, though they may be dupes of those who are.

Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep.

-- wds

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#423544

FromGutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-23 16:18 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA51EA5F181D7Etaustingmail@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#423538
wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote in news:mtv9l4$hi
$1@panix3.panix.com:

> In article <d646c095-d4aa-409a-9e43-d8aa4a340865
@googlegroups.com>,
> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> said:
> 
>> I do think that throwing the "commie" card at people is a bit
>> much.  People skeptical of the Anthropogenic Global Warming
>> hypothesis, and the political environmental movement as a
>> whole, have long posited that ex-state-socialists are hiding
>> behind concern for the planet as a justification for central
>> planning and an intrusive government.
> 
> Yes they have.  From the outside we call that "crazy".  

The problem is, to the average person, there's no way to tell the 
difference between "I'm being dismissive because you're crazy" and 
"I'm being dismissive because you're right, and I can't afford to 
admit it."

Inability to explain complicated stuff to normal people (who, 
ultimately, control the grant money) is nothing new among 
scientists.

Neither is bullying to suppress unpopular views.

>Or possibly
> "projection," as in "The only reason why *I'd* present as caring
> about the environment like that would be to advance my own power
> bloc, therefore..."

Speaking of projecting.

> 
>> I would assume, until I saw real totalitarian actions, that most
>> socialists with environmentalist motivations aren't actually
>> totalitarians, though they may be dupes of those who are.
> 
> Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep.
> 
It will sometimes jump right out of the mirror at you.

-- 
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#423186

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-09-19 20:34 -0700
Message-ID<55FE2934.1CEF@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#423169
FPP wrote:
> 
> On 2015-09-19 20:33:56 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:
> 
> > In article <mtkg13$a4v$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2015-09-19 20:07:45 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:
> >>
> >>> Why is it the Left, when given the power, always wants to jail or
> >>> execute anyone who dissents or disagrees with them?
> >>
> >> Same old lie.
> >
> > Except it's not.
> >
> >> Who has been jailed? Who has been executed?
> >
> > In this case, no one yet. The Warmists have certainly expressed the
> > desire for jailings, however. Which is what I said: "...always wants
> > to..."
> >
> > In the broader sense, millions have been jailed and executed by leftists
> > on the loose. Mao, Stalin, Guevara, Castro... the list is voluminous.
> 
> You left out that guy with the little mustache... why?



he wasn't a leftests he was right handed.

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#423171

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2015-09-19 17:22 -0700
Message-ID<5c751dba-eb09-4ccd-ac55-0b90438a4219@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423149
On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 2:21:45 PM UTC-6, FPP wrote:
> On 2015-09-19 20:07:45 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> said:
> 
> > Why is it the Left, when given the power, always wants to jail or
> > execute anyone who dissents or disagrees with them?
> 
> Same old lie.
> 
> Who has been jailed?  Who has been executed?

Well, I don't know about climate scientists in the U.S., but presumably he's 
thinking of Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse-Tung, who certainly are valid precedents 
in this regard.

Mind you, dictators on the Right - Hitler, Franco, Pinochet, the Greek 
generals, and so on and so forth - do the same thing, so this really doesn't 
serve as something to differentiate the Left from the Right.

And, of course, the moderate Left and Right can both holler and say "that's not 
us", with varying degrees of validity. In the case of the Right in the U.S., 
though, one might point out that lots of innocent people were killed or 
imprisoned as a result of slavery and segregation, and the U.S. right certainly 
seems to accept Confederate sympathizers in their ranks.

John Savard

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#423249

FromShawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-20 13:07 -0700
Message-ID<f0dadee8-6ac6-46e2-b7ed-8821b4e4899a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423171
On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 5:22:14 PM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:


> Mind you, dictators on the Right - Hitler, 


Hitler was a LEFTIST...  Nazi = National SOCIALISM after all.  

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#424024

FromChrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-02 15:09 -0600
Message-ID<aoCPx.31342$P21.28566@fx09.iad>
In reply to#423249
On 9/20/2015 2:07 PM, Shawn Wilson wrote:
> On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 5:22:14 PM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>
>> Mind you, dictators on the Right - Hitler,
>
>
> Hitler was a LEFTIST...  Nazi = National SOCIALISM after all.
>
Oh, cute. The 12-year-old Redwash that Jonah Goldberg perpetrated on the 
world must have finally made the Maricopa County Library District.

-- 
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!

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#424165

FromShawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-04 13:08 -0700
Message-ID<02d9746c-a58a-4033-904f-9b84cdd8a7ab@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#424024
On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 2:09:29 PM UTC-7, Chrysi Cat wrote:


> >> Mind you, dictators on the Right - Hitler,
> >
> >
> > Hitler was a LEFTIST...  Nazi = National SOCIALISM after all.
> >
> Oh, cute. The 12-year-old Redwash that Jonah Goldberg perpetrated on the 
> world must have finally made the Maricopa County Library District.


Ah, yet another leftist who won't admit that Hitler was one too...

As I said, Nazi is short for National Socialism, for a reason.  They were socialists.  The economic parts of the 25 points were all straight socialism.  In fact the idea that the Nazis weren't leftists was pure propaganda spread by the USSR after 22 Jun 1941, for obvious reasons.  

For reference-

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.

20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

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