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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2015-07-23 12:11 -0700 |
| Last post | 2015-07-24 04:25 -0400 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-23 12:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-23 18:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-23 20:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 00:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-24 00:53 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 11:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-24 16:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 18:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-24 16:22 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-24 18:32 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:00 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 10:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-26 00:20 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-26 06:42 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:08 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:01 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-26 11:03 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:08 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-28 18:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-29 07:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-25 17:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-28 17:25 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-26 03:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-27 04:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-29 03:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-29 07:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-30 04:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-30 15:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-31 04:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 07:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-31 10:17 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-31 16:38 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 09:56 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 10:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-02 11:51 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 12:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 12:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-02 10:15 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-03 03:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-03 09:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-03 16:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-03 15:51 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-03 20:30 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-03 18:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:01 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-04 15:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-03 17:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-04 18:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-04 19:35 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-05 12:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-06 19:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-06 17:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 05:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:46 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:12 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:41 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-11 14:10 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-15 11:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:26 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-05 04:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-07 19:52 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-07 20:17 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:46 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:43 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 01:10 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-06 06:41 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 20:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 22:28 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-07 09:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-07 05:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-07 12:39 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 16:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-07 20:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 22:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 22:26 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-08 09:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-08 04:57 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-08 08:32 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-08 08:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-08 09:30 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-08 09:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Anthony Frost <Vulch@vulch.org> - 2015-08-09 10:48 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 11:32 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 12:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-08 14:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-08 16:49 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 14:58 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-08 19:36 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-09 01:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-10 01:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-10 07:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-08 18:12 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-08 13:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 16:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-08 13:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-08 14:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-08 14:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 00:00 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-07 05:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 12:22 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-08 09:42 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-09 07:56 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 13:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 12:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:21 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:54 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:22 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-15 11:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-16 12:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-04 05:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-04 13:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-04 14:48 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-04 13:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 14:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-04 15:35 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-04 15:39 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-05 04:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 14:00 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:16 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-16 12:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-18 13:27 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-18 19:04 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 12:33 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:47 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:42 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-19 18:30 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 21:52 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 08:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 21:55 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 10:14 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 23:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 12:12 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 01:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-18 13:28 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2015-08-19 17:53 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-22 13:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-23 10:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 16:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-24 17:33 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-25 15:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-26 10:33 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-27 06:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-27 16:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-29 11:15 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-29 13:56 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-29 18:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-30 06:43 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-30 04:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-07-30 11:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-31 04:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-07-31 04:14 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-31 10:19 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-31 12:06 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-31 21:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2015-07-31 21:34 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2015-08-02 14:18 +1000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-30 04:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 11:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-24 16:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-25 10:32 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 09:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 15:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-26 10:09 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 06:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-25 11:31 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 10:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-25 17:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 10:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 15:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-07-26 15:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-07-26 22:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-26 23:03 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-27 18:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-24 00:39 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-24 04:25 -0400
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 09:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> |
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Attila < wrote: > > On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker > >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >> >> >> >>> etc. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > >> >> >> connected to it? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > >> >> >extinct at this day.” > >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > >> >> > >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >How about this ....leading scholar? > >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 > >> > >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. > > > > > > > >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... > > Sure I do. > > > > >there are things > >that happen > >in the past.. > >they are 'events'. > > Yep. > > > > >The events > >as they happen > >are the evidence. > > No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. > > > > >They are historical events > >that happen a certain way. > > If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. > > > > >They are the recollections > >of people who existed > >as they remember them. > > Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? > Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? > > IOW, are they independent of each other? > > > > >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? > > Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. > > Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person > described? No supporting evidence. > Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as someone else? You're talking about an era, a community with one zip code. One yellow page. One phone booth. A place where every one goes to one person house to watch TV. If you need a carpenter, ...who do you call?
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 04:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <na5esa151sdovi4pqgl1sjpmppk4jbili2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419422 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> >> >> >> >>> etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> >> >> >> connected to it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >> >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >> >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >> >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >> >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >> >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >> >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >> >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >> >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >> >> >> >extinct at this day.” >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >> >> >> >> >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >> >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >> >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >How about this ....leading scholar? >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 >> >> >> >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. >> > >> > >> > >> >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... >> >> Sure I do. >> >> > >> >there are things >> >that happen >> >in the past.. >> >they are 'events'. >> >> Yep. >> >> > >> >The events >> >as they happen >> >are the evidence. >> >> No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. >> >> > >> >They are historical events >> >that happen a certain way. >> >> If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. >> >> > >> >They are the recollections >> >of people who existed >> >as they remember them. >> >> Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? >> Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? >> >> IOW, are they independent of each other? >> >> > >> >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? >> >> Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. >> >> Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person >> described? No supporting evidence. >> > > >Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as >someone else? Who cares? In the real world there are and always have been many people who have the same name. > > > >You're talking about an era, a community with one zip code. > >One yellow page. > >One phone booth. > >A place where every one goes to one person house to watch TV. > > >If you need a carpenter, ...who do you call? One the several that worked in every community. Just what do you think the population of the world was at that time? A dozen or so? Do you really think one person in ANY occupation could have satisfied the demand for his or her services? Pity the poor hooker. She would never get any sleep. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 07:56 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <d2p4gbFj459U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #419498 |
Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker >>Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as >>someone else? > >Who cares? In the real world there are and always have been many >people who have the same name. "Jesus" is a modified version of "Joshua". Many kids in Israel were named after the most famous general in the country's history. His parents "Mary" and "Joseph" were pretty much the most common names in the culture. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 13:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C7B4BA.5965@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #419507 |
Greg Goss wrote: > > Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker > > >>Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as > >>someone else? > > > >Who cares? In the real world there are and always have been many > >people who have the same name. > > "Jesus" is a modified version of "Joshua". Many kids in Israel were > named after the most famous general in the country's history. His > parents "Mary" and "Joseph" were pretty much the most common names in > the culture. I understand that in the Italian Mafia there are a lot of guys named..Paulie, but how many "Mary" and "Joseph" are in the bible?? How many guys named Jesus Christ were there??? This planet has 6 billion people. How many guys named Greg Goss are there? There are 6 billion people today on this planet...honestly, how many people you know with the same name as someone else? Now, if you ask me...I don't know any girls named Mary, and maybe one guy named Joesph... I used to know a girl named Mary, but that was years and years ago. I haven't met another Mary since. What is your sister's name?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 12:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C7B129.68BE@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #419498 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker > >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker > >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > >> >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >> >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >> >> >> >> >>> etc. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >> >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > >> >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > >> >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > >> >> >> >> connected to it? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > >> >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > >> >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > >> >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > >> >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > >> >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > >> >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > >> >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > >> >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > >> >> >> >extinct at this day.” > >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > >> >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > >> >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >How about this ....leading scholar? > >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 > >> >> > >> >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... > >> > >> Sure I do. > >> > >> > > >> >there are things > >> >that happen > >> >in the past.. > >> >they are 'events'. > >> > >> Yep. > >> > >> > > >> >The events > >> >as they happen > >> >are the evidence. > >> > >> No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. > >> > >> > > >> >They are historical events > >> >that happen a certain way. > >> > >> If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. > >> > >> > > >> >They are the recollections > >> >of people who existed > >> >as they remember them. > >> > >> Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? > >> Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? > >> > >> IOW, are they independent of each other? > >> > >> > > >> >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? > >> > >> Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. > >> > >> Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person > >> described? No supporting evidence. > >> > > > > > >Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as > >someone else? > > Who cares? You brought it up "Many people by that name probably existed..." > In the real world there are and always have been many > people who have the same name. > > > > > > > > >You're talking about an era, a community with one zip code. > > > >One yellow page. > > > >One phone booth. > > > >A place where every one goes to one person house to watch TV. > > > > > >If you need a carpenter, ...who do you call? > > One the several that worked in every community. > > Just what do you think the population of the world was at that time? A > dozen or so? Do you really think one person in ANY occupation could > have satisfied the demand for his or her services? 250,000 World population number during the time of Jesus Christ... divide that number into countries.....there weren't that many people hanging out at the corner drug store. > > Pity the poor hooker. She would never get any sleep. Hookers *sleep* with people for a living...they gets lots of sleep! They lay down for a living... Haven't you been with a hooker before? You pay her to sleep with you... Maybe the hookers you been with only sleep for 3 seconds... But if you want to know how many hookers there were during Jesus Christ time... since most hookers were Jewish girls...I would say...thousands!
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-10 05:21 -0400 |
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On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 12:59:37 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55C7B129.68BE@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> >> >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> >> >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> >> >> >> >> >>> etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> >> >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> >> >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> >> >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> >> >> >> >> connected to it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >> >> >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >> >> >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >> >> >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >> >> >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >> >> >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >> >> >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >> >> >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >> >> >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >> >> >> >> >extinct at this day.” >> >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >> >> >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >> >> >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >How about this ....leading scholar? >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 >> >> >> >> >> >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... >> >> >> >> Sure I do. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >there are things >> >> >that happen >> >> >in the past.. >> >> >they are 'events'. >> >> >> >> Yep. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >The events >> >> >as they happen >> >> >are the evidence. >> >> >> >> No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >They are historical events >> >> >that happen a certain way. >> >> >> >> If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >They are the recollections >> >> >of people who existed >> >> >as they remember them. >> >> >> >> Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? >> >> Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? >> >> >> >> IOW, are they independent of each other? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? >> >> >> >> Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. >> >> >> >> Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person >> >> described? No supporting evidence. >> >> >> > >> > >> >Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as >> >someone else? >> >> Who cares? > >You brought it up "Many people by that name probably existed..." Pointing out something that is obvious is hardly bringing something up. I was simply stopping an invalid point before it started. > >> In the real world there are and always have been many >> people who have the same name. >> >> > >> > >> > >> >You're talking about an era, a community with one zip code. >> > >> >One yellow page. >> > >> >One phone booth. >> > >> >A place where every one goes to one person house to watch TV. >> > >> > >> >If you need a carpenter, ...who do you call? >> >> One the several that worked in every community. >> >> Just what do you think the population of the world was at that time? A >> dozen or so? Do you really think one person in ANY occupation could >> have satisfied the demand for his or her services? > > >250,000 World population number during the time of Jesus Christ... >divide that number into countries.....there weren't that many people >hanging out at the corner drug store. Enough to have more than one person in any particular profession, especially if it was one that was widely needed. > > > > >> >> Pity the poor hooker. She would never get any sleep. > >Hookers *sleep* with people for a living...they gets lots of sleep! > >They lay down for a living... > >Haven't you been with a hooker before? You pay her to sleep with you... > Actually I have not found it necessary - there have been enough volunteers. And usually such people get little sleep. > > >Maybe the hookers you been with only sleep for 3 seconds... > > > >But if you want to know how many hookers there were during Jesus Christ time... >since most hookers were Jewish girls...I would say...thousands! Probably like today, they came in all sorts of size, color, and flavor. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 12:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pldksallnd38j8jpnshv9kg98a30ifpm5q@4ax.com> |
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On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 12:59:37 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> >> >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> >> >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> >> >> >> >> >>> etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> >> >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> >> >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> >> >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> >> >> >> >> connected to it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >> >> >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >> >> >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >> >> >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >> >> >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >> >> >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >> >> >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >> >> >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >> >> >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >> >> >> >> >extinct at this day.” >> >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >> >> >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >> >> >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >How about this ....leading scholar? >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 >> >> >> >> >> >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... >> >> >> >> Sure I do. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >there are things >> >> >that happen >> >> >in the past.. >> >> >they are 'events'. >> >> >> >> Yep. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >The events >> >> >as they happen >> >> >are the evidence. >> >> >> >> No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >They are historical events >> >> >that happen a certain way. >> >> >> >> If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >They are the recollections >> >> >of people who existed >> >> >as they remember them. >> >> >> >> Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? >> >> Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? >> >> >> >> IOW, are they independent of each other? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? >> >> >> >> Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. >> >> >> >> Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person >> >> described? No supporting evidence. >> >> >> > >> > >> >Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as >> >someone else? >> >> Who cares? > >You brought it up "Many people by that name probably existed..." Attila doesn't have a clue. > > > > > > > >> In the real world there are and always have been many >> people who have the same name. >> >> > >> > >> > >> >You're talking about an era, a community with one zip code. >> > >> >One yellow page. >> > >> >One phone booth. >> > >> >A place where every one goes to one person house to watch TV. >> > >> > >> >If you need a carpenter, ...who do you call? >> >> One the several that worked in every community. >> >> Just what do you think the population of the world was at that time? A >> dozen or so? Do you really think one person in ANY occupation could >> have satisfied the demand for his or her services? > > >250,000 World population number during the time of Jesus Christ... >divide that number into countries.....there weren't that many people >hanging out at the corner drug store. > > > > >> >> Pity the poor hooker. She would never get any sleep. > >Hookers *sleep* with people for a living...they gets lots of sleep! > >They lay down for a living... > >Haven't you been with a hooker before? You pay her to sleep with you... > > > > >Maybe the hookers you been with only sleep for 3 seconds... > > > >But if you want to know how many hookers there were during Jesus Christ time... >since most hookers were Jewish girls...I would say...thousands! the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 16:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <84aasa1s56j3db5ejho251a783s5ueood4@4ax.com> |
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 20:42:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker ><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id ><55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >>Attila < wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id >>> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>> >>> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>> > >>> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>> >>> etc. >>> >> >>> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>> > >>> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>> > >>> >>> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >>> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >>> connected to it? >>> >>> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >>> >>> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> >> >>“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >>call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >>men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >>the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >>Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >>him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >>for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >>prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >>concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >>extinct at this day.” >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > >It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >ago to fit the necessary pattern. If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. >There is no independent >verification from any other sources supporting him. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 04:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kcfbsatfn54r0icl92bs23a0c8au0bokq3@4ax.com> |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:53:06 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <84aasa1s56j3db5ejho251a783s5ueood4@4ax.com> wrote: >On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 20:42:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >><55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >>>Attila < wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id >>>> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>> >>> etc. >>>> >> >>>> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>> > >>>> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>> > >>>> >>>> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >>>> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >>>> connected to it? >>>> >>>> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >>>> >>>> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >>> >>> >>>“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >>>call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >>>men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >>>the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >>>Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >>>him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >>>for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >>>prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >>>concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >>>extinct at this day.” >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >> >>It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>ago to fit the necessary pattern. > >If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have >erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. > Nonsense. For most of that time there was one single organization that had total control over the entire subject and could make whatever changes it desired. It even decided what was included in it's mythology and what was not. Making everything fit was an obvious goal. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 13:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <81icsahv5n14qkpg5uqlupslcbmari6p8c@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419399 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:31:16 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:53:06 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >alt.atheism with message-id ><84aasa1s56j3db5ejho251a783s5ueood4@4ax.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 20:42:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >>><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>><55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Attila < wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id >>>>> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>> >>> etc. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>> > >>>>> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >>>>> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >>>>> connected to it? >>>>> >>>>> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >>>>> >>>>> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >>>> >>>> >>>>“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >>>>call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >>>>men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >>>>the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >>>>Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >>>>him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >>>>for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >>>>prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >>>>concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >>>>extinct at this day.” >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >>> >>>It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>ago to fit the necessary pattern. >> >>If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have >>erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. >Nonsense. For most of that time there was one single organization >that had total control over the entire subject and could make whatever >changes it desired. For what purpose. The value is spiritual, not physical. >It even decided what was included in it's mythology and what was not. >Making everything fit was an obvious goal. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400 |
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On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:20:00 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <81icsahv5n14qkpg5uqlupslcbmari6p8c@4ax.com> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:31:16 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:53:06 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>alt.atheism with message-id >><84aasa1s56j3db5ejho251a783s5ueood4@4ax.com> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 20:42:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>> >>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >>>><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>><55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Attila < wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>> >>> etc. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >>>>>> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >>>>>> connected to it? >>>>>> >>>>>> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >>>>>call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >>>>>men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >>>>>the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >>>>>Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >>>>>him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >>>>>for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >>>>>prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >>>>>concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >>>>>extinct at this day.” >>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >>>> >>>>It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>>ago to fit the necessary pattern. >>> >>>If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have >>>erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. > >>Nonsense. For most of that time there was one single organization >>that had total control over the entire subject and could make whatever >>changes it desired. > >For what purpose. The value is spiritual, not physical. For the purpose of power and control. The same purpose that supports it's existence today. > >>It even decided what was included in it's mythology and what was not. >>Making everything fit was an obvious goal. > -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 09:47 -0500 |
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On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 05:00:05 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:20:00 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >alt.atheism with message-id ><81icsahv5n14qkpg5uqlupslcbmari6p8c@4ax.com> wrote: > >>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:31:16 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:53:06 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>alt.atheism with message-id >>><84aasa1s56j3db5ejho251a783s5ueood4@4ax.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 20:42:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>><55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>> >>> etc. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >>>>>>> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >>>>>>> connected to it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >>>>>>call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >>>>>>men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >>>>>>the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >>>>>>Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >>>>>>him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >>>>>>for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >>>>>>prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >>>>>>concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >>>>>>extinct at this day.” >>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >>>>> >>>>>It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>>>ago to fit the necessary pattern. >>>> >>>>If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have >>>>erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. >> >>>Nonsense. For most of that time there was one single organization >>>that had total control over the entire subject and could make whatever >>>changes it desired. >> >>For what purpose. The value is spiritual, not physical. > >For the purpose of power and control. The same purpose that supports >it's existence today. Spiritual only. >>>It even decided what was included in it's mythology and what was not. >>>Making everything fit was an obvious goal. >> the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-10 05:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jargsalh8udf76kmua1sl1u1hpj4qvt591@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419510 |
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:47:22 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <bvpesa9vkpdqnu3j4eumn8ps0tcvt7chne@4ax.com> wrote: >On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 05:00:05 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:20:00 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>alt.atheism with message-id >><81icsahv5n14qkpg5uqlupslcbmari6p8c@4ax.com> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:31:16 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>> >>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:53:06 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>><84aasa1s56j3db5ejho251a783s5ueood4@4ax.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 20:42:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>><55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>> >>> etc. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>>> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >>>>>>>> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >>>>>>>> connected to it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >>>>>>>call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >>>>>>>men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >>>>>>>the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >>>>>>>Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >>>>>>>him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >>>>>>>for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >>>>>>>prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >>>>>>>concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >>>>>>>extinct at this day.” >>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >>>>>> >>>>>>It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>>>>ago to fit the necessary pattern. >>>>> >>>>>If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have >>>>>erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. >>> >>>>Nonsense. For most of that time there was one single organization >>>>that had total control over the entire subject and could make whatever >>>>changes it desired. >>> >>>For what purpose. The value is spiritual, not physical. >> >>For the purpose of power and control. The same purpose that supports >>it's existence today. > >Spiritual only. Everything. > >>>>It even decided what was included in it's mythology and what was not. >>>>Making everything fit was an obvious goal. >>> > -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 12:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qndksa9qm4b4fk86caba8vrvivib0o7q9p@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419564 |
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 05:22:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:47:22 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >alt.atheism with message-id ><bvpesa9vkpdqnu3j4eumn8ps0tcvt7chne@4ax.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 05:00:05 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:20:00 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>alt.atheism with message-id >>><81icsahv5n14qkpg5uqlupslcbmari6p8c@4ax.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:31:16 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:53:06 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>><84aasa1s56j3db5ejho251a783s5ueood4@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 20:42:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>><55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>> >>> etc. >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>>> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>>>> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >>>>>>>>> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >>>>>>>>> connected to it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >>>>>>>>call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >>>>>>>>men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >>>>>>>>the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >>>>>>>>Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >>>>>>>>him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >>>>>>>>for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >>>>>>>>prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >>>>>>>>concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >>>>>>>>extinct at this day.” >>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>>>>>ago to fit the necessary pattern. >>>>>> >>>>>>If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have >>>>>>erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. >>>> >>>>>Nonsense. For most of that time there was one single organization >>>>>that had total control over the entire subject and could make whatever >>>>>changes it desired. >>>> >>>>For what purpose. The value is spiritual, not physical. >>> >>>For the purpose of power and control. The same purpose that supports >>>it's existence today. >> >>Spiritual only. > >Everything. Spiritual. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 03:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ckslsal6babqa2h16upb7a0jbpjumqpl6f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419698 |
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:55:32 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <qndksa9qm4b4fk86caba8vrvivib0o7q9p@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>>>>>>ago to fit the necessary pattern. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have >>>>>>>erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. >>>>> >>>>>>Nonsense. For most of that time there was one single organization >>>>>>that had total control over the entire subject and could make whatever >>>>>>changes it desired. >>>>> >>>>>For what purpose. The value is spiritual, not physical. >>>> >>>>For the purpose of power and control. The same purpose that supports >>>>it's existence today. >>> >>>Spiritual only. >> >>Everything. > >Spiritual. > Everything. The first thought control and the first political organization. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 11:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nsrusa9joocaqoi8vc1r9edkdldv057pef@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419798 |
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 03:17:10 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:55:32 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >alt.atheism with message-id ><qndksa9qm4b4fk86caba8vrvivib0o7q9p@4ax.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>>>>>>>ago to fit the necessary pattern. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have >>>>>>>>erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. >>>>>> >>>>>>>Nonsense. For most of that time there was one single organization >>>>>>>that had total control over the entire subject and could make whatever >>>>>>>changes it desired. >>>>>> >>>>>>For what purpose. The value is spiritual, not physical. >>>>> >>>>>For the purpose of power and control. The same purpose that supports >>>>>it's existence today. >>>> >>>>Spiritual only. >>> >>>Everything. >> >>Spiritual. >> > >Everything. The first thought control and the first political >organization. God calls for the spiritual, not the physical. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 04:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <qmg0talo6svt0ah0l2uaa82pq97hog5gii@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #420320 |
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 11:58:40 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <nsrusa9joocaqoi8vc1r9edkdldv057pef@4ax.com> wrote: >On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 03:17:10 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >>On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:55:32 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>alt.atheism with message-id >><qndksa9qm4b4fk86caba8vrvivib0o7q9p@4ax.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>>>>>>>>ago to fit the necessary pattern. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have >>>>>>>>>erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Nonsense. For most of that time there was one single organization >>>>>>>>that had total control over the entire subject and could make whatever >>>>>>>>changes it desired. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>For what purpose. The value is spiritual, not physical. >>>>>> >>>>>>For the purpose of power and control. The same purpose that supports >>>>>>it's existence today. >>>>> >>>>>Spiritual only. >>>> >>>>Everything. >>> >>>Spiritual. >>> >> >>Everything. The first thought control and the first political >>organization. > >God calls for the spiritual, not the physical. > You have yet to prove any god ever existed or that anything spiritual ever existed. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 14:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lgo1tahmuardkjveq5mr45ohi31pcmv2jt@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #420375 |
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 04:00:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 11:58:40 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >alt.atheism with message-id ><nsrusa9joocaqoi8vc1r9edkdldv057pef@4ax.com> wrote: > >>On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 03:17:10 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:55:32 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>alt.atheism with message-id >>><qndksa9qm4b4fk86caba8vrvivib0o7q9p@4ax.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>>>>>>>>>ago to fit the necessary pattern. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have >>>>>>>>>>erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Nonsense. For most of that time there was one single organization >>>>>>>>>that had total control over the entire subject and could make whatever >>>>>>>>>changes it desired. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>For what purpose. The value is spiritual, not physical. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>For the purpose of power and control. The same purpose that supports >>>>>>>it's existence today. >>>>>> >>>>>>Spiritual only. >>>>> >>>>>Everything. >>>> >>>>Spiritual. >>>> >>> >>>Everything. The first thought control and the first political >>>organization. >> >>God calls for the spiritual, not the physical. >> > >You have yet to prove any god ever existed or that anything spiritual >ever existed. Which is ok because you can't present an alternative to God. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | talishi <talishi@example.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 12:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mqqo1h0l67@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #420407 |
On 08/16/2015 12:19 PM, duke wrote: > On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 04:00:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >> >You have yet to prove any god ever existed or that anything spiritual >> >ever existed. > Which is ok because you can't present an alternative to God. Fallacy of many questions. Does there need to be an alternative to God? That's the first question.
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| From | Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 15:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mqqq6s$her$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #420407 |
On 8/16/2015 2:19 PM, duke wrote: > On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 04:00:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 11:58:40 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> alt.atheism with message-id >> <nsrusa9joocaqoi8vc1r9edkdldv057pef@4ax.com> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 03:17:10 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:55:32 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id >>>> <qndksa9qm4b4fk86caba8vrvivib0o7q9p@4ax.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>>>>>>>>>> ago to fit the necessary pattern. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If that were true, the steady growth of Christianity for 2000 years would have >>>>>>>>>>> erupted in war over those that tried to change what Jesus said and did. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. For most of that time there was one single organization >>>>>>>>>> that had total control over the entire subject and could make whatever >>>>>>>>>> changes it desired. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For what purpose. The value is spiritual, not physical. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For the purpose of power and control. The same purpose that supports >>>>>>>> it's existence today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Spiritual only. >>>>>> >>>>>> Everything. >>>>> >>>>> Spiritual. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Everything. The first thought control and the first political >>>> organization. >>> >>> God calls for the spiritual, not the physical. >>> >> >> You have yet to prove any god ever existed or that anything spiritual >> ever existed. > > Which is ok because you can't present an alternative to God. > > the dukester, American-American > > ***** > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > Why?
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