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| First post | 2018-06-29 09:34 -0700 |
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Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-29 09:34 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-29 15:28 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 19:43 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 21:30 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-03 06:04 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-03 08:13 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-03 08:55 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-07-03 17:28 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-04 14:22 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-07 22:17 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-07 23:25 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 01:26 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-07-08 01:12 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 02:41 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:24 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-08 06:42 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 13:44 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 11:14 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-08 10:14 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-08 23:40 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-07-08 12:04 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-08 19:20 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 13:41 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-08 23:47 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-08 20:56 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 14:03 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2018-07-08 23:03 +0100
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 15:41 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-07-08 15:06 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-03 09:07 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-03 11:52 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-03 20:17 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-07-03 20:34 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-03 22:44 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-07-04 00:00 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-07-07 22:32 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com> - 2018-07-09 12:33 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex tsbrueni@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 19:14 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-11 19:37 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-12 02:53 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-11 20:24 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-12 11:13 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-12 11:09 -0500
Walk dog memory gloat D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-13 23:25 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-07-06 00:07 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-06 07:57 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2018-07-29 21:14 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 06:11 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-07-30 10:02 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2018-08-12 20:08 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Dan Swartzendruber <dan888@druber.com> - 2018-08-12 22:59 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Chris Zakes <dontivar@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 16:13 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 18:30 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Chris Zakes <dontivar@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 14:23 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-07-04 16:55 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 20:01 -0400
YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-05 15:50 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-07-06 16:59 +1000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-06 17:01 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-06 09:57 -0600
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-06 17:02 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-07 09:37 -0600
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-07 18:22 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-08 03:25 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-07 23:43 -0600
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-12 11:18 -0500
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2018-07-12 13:32 -0400
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-13 08:27 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2018-07-13 16:16 -0400
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-13 13:41 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex 103134.3516@compuserve.com - 2018-07-06 09:38 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-06 17:29 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-06 17:41 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-08 10:33 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-08 18:39 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-07-08 15:02 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-08 17:13 -0600
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-09 17:05 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-11 06:01 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-07-07 22:51 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete - "Time for the Stars" a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-08 10:26 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-07-04 17:49 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 13:50 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-07-08 14:49 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-07-08 15:10 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 15:40 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-08 18:12 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-09 00:02 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-09 12:14 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-09 13:07 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreheim.dimnakorr.com> - 2018-07-09 15:39 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-09 14:46 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-09 22:15 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-07-09 22:36 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2018-07-11 04:59 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-10 23:32 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-11 15:22 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-11 04:07 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-11 04:14 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-11 04:29 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 05:51 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-13 07:10 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-11 04:58 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-11 14:06 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-11 07:39 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-11 16:56 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-07-11 18:04 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-07-11 08:12 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-11 09:43 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-07-12 18:27 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-13 07:08 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-13 15:02 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-15 13:40 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-15 18:56 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 15:39 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-15 18:50 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 23:37 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-16 03:40 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-16 12:54 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-07-16 14:18 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-18 07:56 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-16 13:02 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-15 23:11 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-16 06:46 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-16 19:57 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-16 22:04 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 13:04 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2018-07-16 15:17 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-07-16 19:58 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-16 21:07 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-16 20:24 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-16 20:26 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-07-17 08:30 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 13:03 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-16 22:30 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 09:58 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-18 07:57 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-18 14:28 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-18 14:31 -0700
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Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-18 07:53 -0500
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-07-06 17:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <20180706b@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #494528 |
Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
> D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>
>
>> AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar
>>plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a
>>Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately
>>my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look
>>too promising. Ergo my YASID.
>
> In the Honorverse backstory, the coldsleep ship heading for Manticore
> left behind a foundation with good reserve funding. So when they got
> to their destination, an FTL-based colony was already preparing their
> infrastructure.
"Lightspeed leapfrog" is the requisite magical incantation. It conjures
up a wiki that enumerates all such stories. [1] It turns out that my
YASID pertains to a statis ship and not a generation ship.
My YASID is "Flatlander" (Niven). The story features Elephant,
Beowulf Shaeffer and the /Lazy Eight II/, a ramscoop statis ship that
missed her destination and was at the edge of Known Space after five
hundred years.
Note.
1. http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Lightspeed_Leapfrog
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 09:37 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <fqc52tFl0n8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #494532 |
D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >"Lightspeed leapfrog" is the requisite magical incantation. It conjures >up a wiki that enumerates all such stories. [1] It turns out that my >YASID pertains to a statis ship and not a generation ship. > My YASID is "Flatlander" (Niven). The story features Elephant, >Beowulf Shaeffer and the /Lazy Eight II/, a ramscoop statis ship that >missed her destination and was at the edge of Known Space after five >hundred years. > >Note. > >1. http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Lightspeed_Leapfrog Hmmm. That link agrees with you on "Flatlander". But I seem to remember Flatlander as the trip to the antimatter system. ? And I've never read the plot described there. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 18:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <20180707a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #494555 |
Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
> D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>
>>Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>>"Lightspeed leapfrog" is the requisite magical incantation. It conjures
>>up a wiki that enumerates all such stories. [1] It turns out that my
>>YASID pertains to a statis ship and not a generation ship.
>> My YASID is "Flatlander" (Niven). The story features Elephant,
>>Beowulf Shaeffer and the /Lazy Eight II/, a ramscoop statis ship that
>>missed her destination and was at the edge of Known Space after five
>>hundred years.
>>
>>Note.
>>
>>1. http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Lightspeed_Leapfrog
>
> Hmmm. That link agrees with you on "Flatlander". But I seem to
> remember Flatlander as the trip to the antimatter system.
>
> ?
>
> And I've never read the plot described there.
The /Lazy Eight II/ is more of a story feature (eg element) than a
plot in and of itself. Have you read the story? If so, perhaps an
excerpt from the story will jog your memory:
"Did they have anything worth while?" [asked Elephant]
"Yah. They'd found the /Lazy Eight II/." [said Beowulf]
The /Lazy Eight II/ had been one of the old slowboats, a
circular-flying wing taking colonists to Jinx. Something had
gone wrong before the turnover, and the ship had continued on,
carrying fifty passengers in suspended animation and a crew
of four, presumed dead. With a ramscoop to feed hydrogen to
her fusion drive, she could accelerate forever. She was five
hundred years on her way.
In the end, "Flatlander" (Niven) is my YASID. And that's the
important thing, to me.
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 03:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <20180707b@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #494555 |
Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
> D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>
>>Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>>"Lightspeed leapfrog" is the requisite magical incantation. It conjures
>>up a wiki that enumerates all such stories. [1] It turns out that my
>>YASID pertains to a statis ship and not a generation ship.
>> My YASID is "Flatlander" (Niven). The story features Elephant,
>>Beowulf Shaeffer and the /Lazy Eight II/, a ramscoop statis ship that
>>missed her destination and was at the edge of Known Space after five
>>hundred years.
>>
>>Note.
>>
>>1. http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Lightspeed_Leapfrog
>
> Hmmm. That link agrees with you on "Flatlander". But I seem to
> remember Flatlander as the trip to the antimatter system.
>
> ?
>
> And I've never read the plot described there.
The /Lazy Eight II/ is more of a story feature (eg element) than a
plot in and of itself. Have you read the story? If so, perhaps an
excerpt from the story will jog your memory:
"Did they have anything worth while?" [asked Elephant]
"Yah. They'd found the /Lazy Eight II/." [said Beowulf]
The /Lazy Eight II/ had been one of the old slowboats, a
circular-flying wing taking colonists to Jinx. Something had
gone wrong before the turnover, and the ship had continued on,
carrying fifty passengers in suspended animation and a crew
of four, presumed dead. With a ramscoop to feed hydrogen to
her fusion drive, she could accelerate forever. She was five
hundred years on her way.
In the end, "Flatlander" (Niven) is my YASID. And that's the
important thing, to me.
*addendum*
OK, your concern over the plot summary at the link is now clear to me.
The link says "who later use their FTL technology to rescue the crew and
colonists on that ship." But that part of the story doesn't appear in
"Flatlander" nor any other Niven, AFAIK.
The /Lazy Eight/ element is a Niven literary doodle in the margin.
It teases but it doesn't go anywhere. That probably explains my
difficulty in remembering it in the first place.
"Lazy Eight" is the figure eight rotated by 90 degrees. It's an
infinity sign.
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 23:43 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <fqdmkoFttplU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #494579 |
D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >OK, your concern over the plot summary at the link is now clear to me. >The link says "who later use their FTL technology to rescue the crew and >colonists on that ship." But that part of the story doesn't appear in >"Flatlander" nor any other Niven, AFAIK. > The /Lazy Eight/ element is a Niven literary doodle in the margin. >It teases but it doesn't go anywhere. That probably explains my >difficulty in remembering it in the first place. > "Lazy Eight" is the figure eight rotated by 90 degrees. It's an >infinity sign. Lazy Eight II was the Jinx colony ship. Lazy Eight was an intrasystem cruise ship in World of Ptavvs. There are a lot of bits and pieces of Nivenania scattered in random places. Silvereyes is a short piece explaining what happened to the guy who got the co-ordinates of the Puppeteer home system (Only they weren't there when he got back there.) From Mote in Got's Eye, the Horst bomb incident is somewhere on the web, the scene introducing Rob before the main story starts is somewhere else on the web, and the "lost preface" was a cover story in Galaxy - dunno ifi it's on the web. I presume that there are lots of other "lost stories" scattered around in our current disjointed publishing world. So Niven may have come back and written the Lazy Eight II rescue and published it where I'd never see it. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-12 11:18 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <5b-dnaGZgNrA4trGnZ2dnUU7-TudnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #494532 |
On 2018-07-06, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >> In the Honorverse backstory, the coldsleep ship heading for Manticore >> left behind a foundation with good reserve funding. So when they got >> to their destination, an FTL-based colony was already preparing their >> infrastructure. > > "Lightspeed leapfrog" is the requisite magical incantation. It conjures > up a wiki that enumerates all such stories. [1] It turns out that my > YASID pertains to a statis ship and not a generation ship. > My YASID is "Flatlander" (Niven). The story features Elephant, > Beowulf Shaeffer and the /Lazy Eight II/, a ramscoop statis ship that > missed her destination and was at the edge of Known Space after five > hundred years. Also dealt with by Charles Sheffield, thugh without atual FTL, just a multigravity constant-boost ship, using vacuum energy extraction and (apparently) neutronium, catching up with a generation ship out in exo-Solar space. Dave, the ship was designed to allow the passengers to experience a 1G field - and had its own story when the compensation needle developed a flaw on the test flight -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-12 13:32 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <pi83cb$m6d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #494768 |
On 7/12/2018 12:18 PM, David DeLaney wrote: > On 2018-07-06, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >> Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >>> In the Honorverse backstory, the coldsleep ship heading for Manticore >>> left behind a foundation with good reserve funding. So when they got >>> to their destination, an FTL-based colony was already preparing their >>> infrastructure. >> >> "Lightspeed leapfrog" is the requisite magical incantation. It conjures >> up a wiki that enumerates all such stories. [1] It turns out that my >> YASID pertains to a statis ship and not a generation ship. >> My YASID is "Flatlander" (Niven). The story features Elephant, >> Beowulf Shaeffer and the /Lazy Eight II/, a ramscoop statis ship that >> missed her destination and was at the edge of Known Space after five >> hundred years. > > Also dealt with by Charles Sheffield, thugh without atual FTL, just a > multigravity constant-boost ship, using vacuum energy extraction and > (apparently) neutronium, catching up with a generation ship out in exo-Solar > space. > > Dave, the ship was designed to allow the passengers to experience a 1G field > - and had its own story when the compensation needle developed a flaw on the > test flight > This also happens in Space Fantasia 2001 Nights an anime adapted from the 2001 Nights manga. Earth sends out sub-lightspeed seed ships with frozen embryos to be raised by the ship's computer once they get to their target planet. But while the trip is going on Earth develops faster than light drives and the donors of the embryos set up a foundation to jump ahead to the planet and terraform it so that when the seedship gets there they will have a livable planet waiting.
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| From | a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-13 08:27 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <piagof02j1p@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #494774 |
On 7/12/2018 10:32 AM, Magewolf wrote: > On 7/12/2018 12:18 PM, David DeLaney wrote: >> On 2018-07-06, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >>> Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >>>> In the Honorverse backstory, the coldsleep ship heading for Manticore >>>> left behind a foundation with good reserve funding. So when they got >>>> to their destination, an FTL-based colony was already preparing their >>>> infrastructure. >>> >>> "Lightspeed leapfrog" is the requisite magical incantation. It conjures >>> up a wiki that enumerates all such stories. [1] It turns out that my >>> YASID pertains to a statis ship and not a generation ship. >>> My YASID is "Flatlander" (Niven). The story features Elephant, >>> Beowulf Shaeffer and the /Lazy Eight II/, a ramscoop statis ship that >>> missed her destination and was at the edge of Known Space after five >>> hundred years. >> >> Also dealt with by Charles Sheffield, thugh without atual FTL, just a >> multigravity constant-boost ship, using vacuum energy extraction and >> (apparently) neutronium, catching up with a generation ship out in >> exo-Solar >> space. >> >> Dave, the ship was designed to allow the passengers to experience a 1G >> field >> - and had its own story when the compensation needle developed a >> flaw on the >> test flight >> > > This also happens in Space Fantasia 2001 Nights an anime adapted from > the 2001 Nights manga. Earth sends out sub-lightspeed seed ships with > frozen embryos to be raised by the ship's computer once they get to > their target planet. That is also the story in Arthur Clarke's "Songs of Distant Earth". I had (and still do) problems envisioning how computers and 'robots' could 'birth' and raise children without living assistance. > But while the trip is going on Earth develops > faster than light drives and the donors of the embryos set up a > foundation to jump ahead to the planet and terraform it so that when the > seedship gets there they will have a livable planet waiting. In Arthur Clarke's "Songs of Distant Earth" no FTL is developed, but a much fancier 'Exodus' ship is built and launched. It just stops off at the habitated planet to 'borrow' water. The 2nd ship has a live & active crew of around 100 (if memory serves) but they rotate at times with some of the around 5,000 in hibernation. That ship intends to keep going to a distant target planet, that they will orbit for many years while it is made ready for colonization.
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| From | Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-13 16:16 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <pib1ac$178$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #494812 |
On 7/13/2018 11:27 AM, a425couple wrote: > On 7/12/2018 10:32 AM, Magewolf wrote: >> On 7/12/2018 12:18 PM, David DeLaney wrote: >>> On 2018-07-06, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >>>> Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >>>>> In the Honorverse backstory, the coldsleep ship heading for Manticore >>>>> left behind a foundation with good reserve funding. So when they got >>>>> to their destination, an FTL-based colony was already preparing their >>>>> infrastructure. >>>> >>>> "Lightspeed leapfrog" is the requisite magical incantation. It conjures >>>> up a wiki that enumerates all such stories. [1] It turns out that my >>>> YASID pertains to a statis ship and not a generation ship. >>>> My YASID is "Flatlander" (Niven). The story features Elephant, >>>> Beowulf Shaeffer and the /Lazy Eight II/, a ramscoop statis ship that >>>> missed her destination and was at the edge of Known Space after five >>>> hundred years. >>> >>> Also dealt with by Charles Sheffield, thugh without atual FTL, just a >>> multigravity constant-boost ship, using vacuum energy extraction and >>> (apparently) neutronium, catching up with a generation ship out in >>> exo-Solar >>> space. >>> >>> Dave, the ship was designed to allow the passengers to experience a >>> 1G field >>> - and had its own story when the compensation needle developed a >>> flaw on the >>> test flight >>> >> >> This also happens in Space Fantasia 2001 Nights an anime adapted from >> the 2001 Nights manga. Earth sends out sub-lightspeed seed ships with >> frozen embryos to be raised by the ship's computer once they get to >> their target planet. > > That is also the story in Arthur Clarke's "Songs of Distant > Earth". I had (and still do) problems envisioning how computers > and 'robots' could 'birth' and raise children without > living assistance. > >> But while the trip is going on Earth develops faster than light drives >> and the donors of the embryos set up a foundation to jump ahead to the >> planet and terraform it so that when the seedship gets there they will >> have a livable planet waiting. > > In Arthur Clarke's "Songs of Distant Earth" no FTL is developed, > but a much fancier 'Exodus' ship is built and launched. > It just stops off at the habitated planet to 'borrow' water. > The 2nd ship has a live & active crew of around 100 (if memory serves) > but they rotate at times with some of the around 5,000 in hibernation. > > That ship intends to keep going to a distant target planet, > that they will orbit for many years while it is made > ready for colonization. > 2001 Nights was written in the early 80's and is very influenced by US SF from the 70's. You could make a drinking game ,that would put you in the hospital, of picking out reused ideas. It is the story of the rise and fall of human exploration of space in 19 parts. It also see-saws between wanting to be hard SF and the worst of the 70's softheadedness.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-07-13 13:41 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <1d099028-83cd-4c18-9318-2bfed74a5db4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494820 |
On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 2:16:15 PM UTC-6, Magewolf wrote: > 2001 Nights was written in the early 80's and is very influenced by US > SF from the 70's. You could make a drinking game ,that would put you in > the hospital, of picking out reused ideas. It is the story of the rise > and fall of human exploration of space in 19 parts. It also see-saws > between wanting to be hard SF and the worst of the 70's softheadedness. Well, what do you expect from Scheherezade meets Arthur C. Clarke? John Savard
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| From | 103134.3516@compuserve.com |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 09:38 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <ca199000-18a3-4387-9eb6-6dde0beb8059@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494488 |
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 11:50:46 AM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote: > Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote: > >> > >> Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle > >> groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they > >> even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how > >> to land and get out of the ship after six millenia. > >> > >> It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have > >> developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a > >> generation ship using rockets and coasting did. > >> > >> -Chris Zakes > >> Texas > >> > > > > There was a book or story back in the 60's called Far Centaurus. It > > wasn't a generation ship but used suspended animation. The trip took > > 500 years, and after they got there and woke up, guess what they found. > > People. People had been there for 300 years. So instead of spending > > trillions of dollars on a generation ship that will take thousands of > > years, wait 100 years and technology will have found a way to get there > > 1000 X faster. > > "Far Centaurus" (van Vogt) was first published in the January 1944 issue > of _Astounding_. Thanks to Ted, it's possible to link to an online > version of the story. [1] > AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar > plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a > Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately > my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look > too promising. Ergo my YASID. Not your YASID, but of course there is also Delany's "The Ballad of Beta-2". By the time they get there, they're not fit to colonize a planet, and anyway, it's already occupied, so they're quarantined in their ships. Story is about a grad student who makes them his thesis project IIRC. JimboCat -- In the good old days, the complaints about how everything is going to hell were much more sophisticated and erudite than they are today.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 17:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <20180706c@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #494530 |
103134.3516@compuserve.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 11:50:46 AM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote:
>> Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle
>> >> groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they
>> >> even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how
>> >> to land and get out of the ship after six millenia.
>> >>
>> >> It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have
>> >> developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a
>> >> generation ship using rockets and coasting did.
>> >>
>> >> -Chris Zakes
>> >> Texas
>> >>
>> >
>> > There was a book or story back in the 60's called Far Centaurus. It
>> > wasn't a generation ship but used suspended animation. The trip took
>> > 500 years, and after they got there and woke up, guess what they found.
>> > People. People had been there for 300 years. So instead of spending
>> > trillions of dollars on a generation ship that will take thousands of
>> > years, wait 100 years and technology will have found a way to get there
>> > 1000 X faster.
>>
>> "Far Centaurus" (van Vogt) was first published in the January 1944 issue
>> of _Astounding_. Thanks to Ted, it's possible to link to an online
>> version of the story. [1]
>> AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar
>> plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a
>> Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately
>> my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look
>> too promising. Ergo my YASID.
>
> Not your YASID, but of course there is also Delany's "The Ballad of Beta-2".
> By the time they get there, they're not fit to colonize a planet, and anyway,
> it's already occupied, so they're quarantined in their ships. Story is about
> a grad student who makes them his thesis project IIRC.
It turns out that there's not a generation ship in my YASID after all.
It's a statis ship and the story's "Flatlander" (Niven).
The occupants of the van Vogt generation ship are virtually
quarantined. Because they stink.
"I must, however," Cassellahat went on, "give you a warning.
It is important that you do not disillusion our peoples about
yourselves. Therefore, you must never wander around the streets,
or mingle with the crowds in any way. Always, your contact
should be via newsreels, radio, or from the inside of a closed
machine. If you have any plan to marry, you must now finally
give up the idea."
"I don’t get it!" Blake said wonderingly; and he spoke for us
both.
Cassellahat finished firmly: "It is important that no one
becomes aware that you have an offensive physical odor. It might
damage your financial prospects considerably.
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 17:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <20180706d@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #494533 |
D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > 103134.3516@compuserve.com wrote: >> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 11:50:46 AM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote: >>> Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle >>> >> groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they >>> >> even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how >>> >> to land and get out of the ship after six millenia. >>> >> >>> >> It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have >>> >> developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a >>> >> generation ship using rockets and coasting did. >>> >> >>> >> -Chris Zakes >>> >> Texas >>> >> >>> > >>> > There was a book or story back in the 60's called Far Centaurus. It >>> > wasn't a generation ship but used suspended animation. The trip took >>> > 500 years, and after they got there and woke up, guess what they found. >>> > People. People had been there for 300 years. So instead of spending >>> > trillions of dollars on a generation ship that will take thousands of >>> > years, wait 100 years and technology will have found a way to get there >>> > 1000 X faster. >>> >>> "Far Centaurus" (van Vogt) was first published in the January 1944 issue >>> of _Astounding_. Thanks to Ted, it's possible to link to an online >>> version of the story. [1] >>> AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar >>> plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a >>> Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately >>> my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look >>> too promising. Ergo my YASID. >> >> Not your YASID, but of course there is also Delany's "The Ballad of Beta-2". >> By the time they get there, they're not fit to colonize a planet, and anyway, >> it's already occupied, so they're quarantined in their ships. Story is about >> a grad student who makes them his thesis project IIRC. > > It turns out that there's not a generation ship in my YASID after all. > It's a statis ship and the story's "Flatlander" (Niven). > The occupants of the van Vogt generation ship are virtually > quarantined. Because they stink. > > "I must, however," Cassellahat went on, "give you a warning. > It is important that you do not disillusion our peoples about > yourselves. Therefore, you must never wander around the streets, > or mingle with the crowds in any way. Always, your contact > should be via newsreels, radio, or from the inside of a closed > machine. If you have any plan to marry, you must now finally > give up the idea." > > "I don't get it!" Blake said wonderingly; and he spoke for us > both. > > Cassellahat finished firmly: "It is important that no one > becomes aware that you have an offensive physical odor. It might > damage your financial prospects considerably. Oh FFS this whole statis subthread stinks! Regardless of what the Subject: says, it's all about /statis/ ships. The occupants of van Vogt's /statis/ ship are virtually quarantined. ✍ Thank you, -- Don
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| From | a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 10:33 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <phtht40k7l@news2.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #494534 |
On 7/6/2018 10:41 AM, D B Davis wrote: > D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >> 103134.3516@compuserve.com wrote: >>> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 11:50:46 AM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote: >>>> Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle >>>>>> groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they >>>>>> even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how >>>>>> to land and get out of the ship after six millenia. >>>>>> >>>>>> It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have >>>>>> developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a >>>>>> generation ship using rockets and coasting did. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Chris Zakes >>>>>> Texas >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There was a book or story back in the 60's called Far Centaurus. It >>>>> wasn't a generation ship but used suspended animation. The trip took >>>>> 500 years, and after they got there and woke up, guess what they found. >>>>> People. People had been there for 300 years. So instead of spending >>>>> trillions of dollars on a generation ship that will take thousands of >>>>> years, wait 100 years and technology will have found a way to get there >>>>> 1000 X faster. >>>> >>>> "Far Centaurus" (van Vogt) was first published in the January 1944 issue >>>> of _Astounding_. Thanks to Ted, it's possible to link to an online >>>> version of the story. [1] >>>> AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar >>>> plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a >>>> Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately >>>> my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look >>>> too promising. Ergo my YASID. >>> >>> Not your YASID, but of course there is also Delany's "The Ballad of Beta-2". >>> By the time they get there, they're not fit to colonize a planet, and anyway, >>> it's already occupied, so they're quarantined in their ships. Story is about >>> a grad student who makes them his thesis project IIRC. >> >> It turns out that there's not a generation ship in my YASID after all. >> It's a statis ship and the story's "Flatlander" (Niven). >> The occupants of the van Vogt generation ship are virtually >> quarantined. Because they stink. >> >> "I must, however," Cassellahat went on, "give you a warning. >> It is important that you do not disillusion our peoples about >> yourselves. Therefore, you must never wander around the streets, >> or mingle with the crowds in any way. Always, your contact >> should be via newsreels, radio, or from the inside of a closed >> machine. If you have any plan to marry, you must now finally >> give up the idea." >> >> "I don't get it!" Blake said wonderingly; and he spoke for us >> both. >> >> Cassellahat finished firmly: "It is important that no one >> becomes aware that you have an offensive physical odor. It might >> damage your financial prospects considerably. > > Oh FFS this whole statis subthread stinks! Regardless of what the > Subject: says, it's all about /statis/ ships. The occupants of van > Vogt's /statis/ ship are virtually quarantined. > Thank you, Please help me understand. As I'm reading the above, They are being kept out in space in quarantine, and they are not allowed to marry? That sounds like a life time prison sentence! Very bad for last one left old and alive!!! Why do they not try going to another planet? And reproduce as they go?
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 18:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <fqf42oF7q4fU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #494612 |
In article <phtht40k7l@news2.newsguy.com>, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote: >On 7/6/2018 10:41 AM, D B Davis wrote: >> D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >>> 103134.3516@compuserve.com wrote: >>>> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 11:50:46 AM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote: >>>>> Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle >>>>>>> groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they >>>>>>> even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how >>>>>>> to land and get out of the ship after six millenia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have >>>>>>> developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a >>>>>>> generation ship using rockets and coasting did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Chris Zakes >>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There was a book or story back in the 60's called Far Centaurus. It >>>>>> wasn't a generation ship but used suspended animation. The trip took >>>>>> 500 years, and after they got there and woke up, guess what they found. >>>>>> People. People had been there for 300 years. So instead of spending >>>>>> trillions of dollars on a generation ship that will take thousands of >>>>>> years, wait 100 years and technology will have found a way to get there >>>>>> 1000 X faster. >>>>> >>>>> "Far Centaurus" (van Vogt) was first published in the January 1944 issue >>>>> of _Astounding_. Thanks to Ted, it's possible to link to an online >>>>> version of the story. [1] >>>>> AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar >>>>> plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a >>>>> Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately >>>>> my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look >>>>> too promising. Ergo my YASID. >>>> >>>> Not your YASID, but of course there is also Delany's "The Ballad of Beta-2". >>>> By the time they get there, they're not fit to colonize a planet, >and anyway, >>>> it's already occupied, so they're quarantined in their ships. Story is about >>>> a grad student who makes them his thesis project IIRC. >>> >>> It turns out that there's not a generation ship in my YASID after all. >>> It's a statis ship and the story's "Flatlander" (Niven). >>> The occupants of the van Vogt generation ship are virtually >>> quarantined. Because they stink. >>> >>> "I must, however," Cassellahat went on, "give you a warning. >>> It is important that you do not disillusion our peoples about >>> yourselves. Therefore, you must never wander around the streets, >>> or mingle with the crowds in any way. Always, your contact >>> should be via newsreels, radio, or from the inside of a closed >>> machine. If you have any plan to marry, you must now finally >>> give up the idea." >>> >>> "I don't get it!" Blake said wonderingly; and he spoke for us >>> both. >>> >>> Cassellahat finished firmly: "It is important that no one >>> becomes aware that you have an offensive physical odor. It might >>> damage your financial prospects considerably. >> >> Oh FFS this whole statis subthread stinks! Regardless of what the >> Subject: says, it's all about /statis/ ships. The occupants of van >> Vogt's /statis/ ship are virtually quarantined. >> Thank you, > >Please help me understand. >As I'm reading the above, They are being kept out in space >in quarantine, and they are not allowed to marry? >That sounds like a life time prison sentence! >Very bad for last one left old and alive!!! > >Why do they not try going to another planet? >And reproduce as they go? > He didn't say that was the end of the story. And it wasn't. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 15:02 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <6efc2b91-375f-4ffe-861e-f5d867aea611@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494612 |
On Sunday, 8 July 2018 18:34:24 UTC+1, a425couple wrote: > On 7/6/2018 10:41 AM, D B Davis wrote: > > D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > >> 103134.3516@compuserve.com wrote: > >>> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 11:50:46 AM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote: > >>>> Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle > >>>>>> groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they > >>>>>> even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how > >>>>>> to land and get out of the ship after six millenia. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have > >>>>>> developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a > >>>>>> generation ship using rockets and coasting did. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Chris Zakes > >>>>>> Texas > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> There was a book or story back in the 60's called Far Centaurus. It > >>>>> wasn't a generation ship but used suspended animation. The trip took > >>>>> 500 years, and after they got there and woke up, guess what they found. > >>>>> People. People had been there for 300 years. So instead of spending > >>>>> trillions of dollars on a generation ship that will take thousands of > >>>>> years, wait 100 years and technology will have found a way to get there > >>>>> 1000 X faster. > >>>> > >>>> "Far Centaurus" (van Vogt) was first published in the January 1944 issue > >>>> of _Astounding_. Thanks to Ted, it's possible to link to an online > >>>> version of the story. [1] > >>>> AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar > >>>> plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a > >>>> Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately > >>>> my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look > >>>> too promising. Ergo my YASID. > >>> > >>> Not your YASID, but of course there is also Delany's "The Ballad of Beta-2". > >>> By the time they get there, they're not fit to colonize a planet, and anyway, > >>> it's already occupied, so they're quarantined in their ships. Story is about > >>> a grad student who makes them his thesis project IIRC. > >> > >> It turns out that there's not a generation ship in my YASID after all. > >> It's a statis ship and the story's "Flatlander" (Niven). > >> The occupants of the van Vogt generation ship are virtually > >> quarantined. Because they stink. > >> > >> "I must, however," Cassellahat went on, "give you a warning. > >> It is important that you do not disillusion our peoples about > >> yourselves. Therefore, you must never wander around the streets, > >> or mingle with the crowds in any way. Always, your contact > >> should be via newsreels, radio, or from the inside of a closed > >> machine. If you have any plan to marry, you must now finally > >> give up the idea." > >> > >> "I don't get it!" Blake said wonderingly; and he spoke for us > >> both. > >> > >> Cassellahat finished firmly: "It is important that no one > >> becomes aware that you have an offensive physical odor. It might > >> damage your financial prospects considerably. > > > > Oh FFS this whole statis subthread stinks! Regardless of what the > > Subject: says, it's all about /statis/ ships. The occupants of van > > Vogt's /statis/ ship are virtually quarantined. > > Thank you, > > Please help me understand. > As I'm reading the above, They are being kept out in space > in quarantine, and they are not allowed to marry? > That sounds like a life time prison sentence! > Very bad for last one left old and alive!!! > > Why do they not try going to another planet? > And reproduce as they go? Tom Holt's modern fantasy novel _Flying Dutch_(man) also uses a premise that the crew (and this was the real, poetically unsuitable problem) smell terribly, terribly bad. Possibly only when they're on land. I think in actual history this was believed to encourage reproduction, and historical fact is that people managed. Holt's story's premise is, I think, that these guys smell worse than that. I don't know about van Vogt's. Apparently most people who drink cow's milk smell of it, to people who don't. But I usually take soya but I mostly don't find other people's odour distasteful. Maybe soya is worse as well. It does smell bad when it's stale.
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 17:13 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <phu5r9$1l4r$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #494612 |
On 2018-07-08 11:33 AM, a425couple wrote: > On 7/6/2018 10:41 AM, D B Davis wrote: >> D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >>> 103134.3516@compuserve.com wrote: >>>> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 11:50:46 AM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote: >>>>> Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major >>>>>>> muscle >>>>>>> groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew >>>>>>> how >>>>>>> to land and get out of the ship after six millenia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long >>>>>>> before a >>>>>>> generation ship using rockets and coasting did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Chris Zakes >>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There was a book or story back in the 60's called Far Centaurus. It >>>>>> wasn't a generation ship but used suspended animation. The trip took >>>>>> 500 years, and after they got there and woke up, guess what they >>>>>> found. >>>>>> People. People had been there for 300 years. So instead of spending >>>>>> trillions of dollars on a generation ship that will take thousands of >>>>>> years, wait 100 years and technology will have found a way to get >>>>>> there >>>>>> 1000 X faster. >>>>> >>>>> "Far Centaurus" (van Vogt) was first published in the January 1944 >>>>> issue >>>>> of _Astounding_. Thanks to Ted, it's possible to link to an online >>>>> version of the story. [1] >>>>> AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a >>>>> similar >>>>> plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a >>>>> Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately >>>>> my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't >>>>> look >>>>> too promising. Ergo my YASID. >>>> >>>> Not your YASID, but of course there is also Delany's "The Ballad of >>>> Beta-2". >>>> By the time they get there, they're not fit to colonize a planet, >>>> and anyway, >>>> it's already occupied, so they're quarantined in their ships. Story >>>> is about >>>> a grad student who makes them his thesis project IIRC. >>> >>> It turns out that there's not a generation ship in my YASID after all. >>> It's a statis ship and the story's "Flatlander" (Niven). >>> The occupants of the van Vogt generation ship are virtually >>> quarantined. Because they stink. >>> >>> "I must, however," Cassellahat went on, "give you a warning. >>> It is important that you do not disillusion our peoples about >>> yourselves. Therefore, you must never wander around the streets, >>> or mingle with the crowds in any way. Always, your contact >>> should be via newsreels, radio, or from the inside of a closed >>> machine. If you have any plan to marry, you must now finally >>> give up the idea." >>> >>> "I don't get it!" Blake said wonderingly; and he spoke for us >>> both. >>> >>> Cassellahat finished firmly: "It is important that no one >>> becomes aware that you have an offensive physical odor. It might >>> damage your financial prospects considerably. >> >> Oh FFS this whole statis subthread stinks! Regardless of what the >> Subject: says, it's all about /statis/ ships. The occupants of van >> Vogt's /statis/ ship are virtually quarantined. >> Thank you, > > Please help me understand. > As I'm reading the above, They are being kept out in space > in quarantine, and they are not allowed to marry? > That sounds like a life time prison sentence! > Very bad for last one left old and alive!!! > > Why do they not try going to another planet? They escape in an extremely ridiculous manner. Van Vogt never worried about making sense. > And reproduce as they go? >
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-09 17:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <20180709a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #494612 |
a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/6/2018 10:41 AM, D B Davis wrote:
>> D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
<snip>
>>> It turns out that there's not a generation ship in my YASID after all.
>>> It's a statis ship and the story's "Flatlander" (Niven).
>>> The occupants of the van Vogt generation ship are virtually
>>> quarantined. Because they stink.
>>>
>>> "I must, however," Cassellahat went on, "give you a warning.
>>> It is important that you do not disillusion our peoples about
>>> yourselves. Therefore, you must never wander around the streets,
>>> or mingle with the crowds in any way. Always, your contact
>>> should be via newsreels, radio, or from the inside of a closed
>>> machine. If you have any plan to marry, you must now finally
>>> give up the idea."
>>>
>>> "I don't get it!" Blake said wonderingly; and he spoke for us
>>> both.
>>>
>>> Cassellahat finished firmly: "It is important that no one
>>> becomes aware that you have an offensive physical odor. It might
>>> damage your financial prospects considerably.
>>
>> Oh FFS this whole statis subthread stinks! Regardless of what the
>> Subject: says, it's all about /statis/ ships. The occupants of van
>> Vogt's /statis/ ship are virtually quarantined.
>> Thank you,
>
> Please help me understand.
> As I'm reading the above, They are being kept out in space
> in quarantine, and they are not allowed to marry?
> That sounds like a life time prison sentence!
> Very bad for last one left old and alive!!!
>
> Why do they not try going to another planet?
> And reproduce as they go?
>
The story's freely available online. [1] It's a short read.
Fifty men travel in statis as "human popsicles" to Centauri. Their
trip takes about five hundred years. When they arrive five hundred years
into their future they discover that humans already already inhabit
Centauri.
The trip from Earth to Centauri now only takes three hours. Human
BO evolved during the past five hundred years and now humans smell like
perfume. The perfumed prince from the future called Cassellahat
discovers that the crusty five hundred old human popsicle named Blake
stinks to the high heavens. Cassellahat more-or-less advises Blake and
the others to stay in a self-imposed exile, a virtual quarantine.
Blake's ship is not a generation ship; there's no stinky females on
board for procreation. It's Cassellahat's opinion, that Centauri's
perfumed females won't touch Blake and his with a hundred mile pole,
more-or-less.
As Ted said, this is not the end of the story. Van Vogt's denouement
uses a deus ex machina (that David finds ridiculous) to make everything
right in the end.
Antares plays a role in the denouement. Antares means "compared with
Ares" because both star and planet have a reddish hue. It's the
brightest star in the constellation Scorpius, which now appears in the
Northern hemisphere to observers who look South on a cloudless night.
Yet another fabulous Zodiac constellation named Sagittarius appears
slightly lower and to the East of Scorpius. The Summer Triangle [2]
asterism composed of Altair, Deneb, and Vega appears well North of both
constellations, directly overhead for the most part.
A while ago we played a game with the Winter Hexagon. [3] The idea's
to enumerate sfnal story's that mention the stars that belong to a
particular asterism.
"Agent of Vega" (Schmitz), for instance, includes a titular Summer
Triangle star. Is there a "Sfnal Grand Slam" story that includes all
three stars: Altair, Deneb, and Vega?
Note.
1. http://www.prosperosisle.org/spip.php?article332#FarCentaurus
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Triangle
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_hexagon
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-11 06:01 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <pi4v3s018kf@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #494646 |
On 7/9/2018 10:05 AM, D B Davis wrote: > a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote: >> On 7/6/2018 10:41 AM, D B Davis wrote: >>> D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > > <snip> > >>>> It turns out that there's not a generation ship in my YASID after all. >>>> It's a statis ship and the story's "Flatlander" (Niven). >>>> The occupants of the van Vogt generation ship are virtually >>>> quarantined. Because they stink. >>>> >>>> "I must, however," Cassellahat went on, "give you a warning. >>>> It is important that you do not disillusion our peoples about >>>> yourselves. Therefore, you must never wander around the streets, >>>> or mingle with the crowds in any way. Always, your contact >>>> should be via newsreels, radio, or from the inside of a closed >>>> machine. If you have any plan to marry, you must now finally >>>> give up the idea." >>>> >>>> "I don't get it!" Blake said wonderingly; and he spoke for us >>>> both. >>>> >>>> Cassellahat finished firmly: "It is important that no one >>>> becomes aware that you have an offensive physical odor. It might >>>> damage your financial prospects considerably. >>> >>> Oh FFS this whole statis subthread stinks! Regardless of what the >>> Subject: says, it's all about /statis/ ships. The occupants of van >>> Vogt's /statis/ ship are virtually quarantined. >>> Thank you, >> >> Please help me understand. ------ >> > > The story's freely available online. [1] It's a short read. > Fifty men travel in statis as "human popsicles" to Centauri. Their > trip takes about five hundred years. When they arrive five hundred years > into their future they discover that humans already already inhabit > Centauri. > The trip from Earth to Centauri now only takes three hours. Human > BO evolved during the past five hundred years and now humans smell like > perfume. The perfumed prince from the future called Cassellahat > discovers that the crusty five hundred old human popsicle named Blake > stinks to the high heavens. Cassellahat more-or-less advises Blake and > the others to stay in a self-imposed exile, a virtual quarantine. > Blake's ship is not a generation ship; there's no stinky females on > board for procreation. It's Cassellahat's opinion, that Centauri's > perfumed females won't touch Blake and his with a hundred mile pole, > more-or-less. > As Ted said, this is not the end of the story. ---- Thank you.
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 22:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <hg93kdp0dkomkjrmgt9b7mhjat2r0eeggi@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #494488 |
On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 15:50:43 -0000 (UTC), D B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
wrote:
[snip]
>"Far Centaurus" (van Vogt) was first published in the January 1944 issue
>of _Astounding_. Thanks to Ted, it's possible to link to an online
>version of the story. [1]
> AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar
>plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a
>Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately
>my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look
>too promising. Ergo my YASID.
Heinlein's "Time for the Stars" is close to being of the genre.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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