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| First post | 2018-06-29 09:34 -0700 |
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Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-29 09:34 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-29 15:28 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 19:43 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 21:30 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-03 06:04 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-03 08:13 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-03 08:55 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-07-03 17:28 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-04 14:22 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-07 22:17 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-07 23:25 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 01:26 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-07-08 01:12 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 02:41 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:24 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-08 06:42 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 13:44 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 11:14 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-08 10:14 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-08 23:40 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-07-08 12:04 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-08 19:20 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 13:41 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-08 23:47 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-08 20:56 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 14:03 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2018-07-08 23:03 +0100
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 15:41 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-07-08 15:06 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-03 09:07 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-03 11:52 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-03 20:17 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-07-03 20:34 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-03 22:44 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-07-04 00:00 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-07-07 22:32 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com> - 2018-07-09 12:33 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex tsbrueni@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 19:14 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-11 19:37 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-12 02:53 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-11 20:24 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-12 11:13 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-12 11:09 -0500
Walk dog memory gloat D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-13 23:25 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-07-06 00:07 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-06 07:57 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2018-07-29 21:14 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 06:11 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-07-30 10:02 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2018-08-12 20:08 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Dan Swartzendruber <dan888@druber.com> - 2018-08-12 22:59 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Chris Zakes <dontivar@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 16:13 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 18:30 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Chris Zakes <dontivar@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 14:23 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-07-04 16:55 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 20:01 -0400
YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-05 15:50 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-07-06 16:59 +1000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-06 17:01 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-06 09:57 -0600
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-06 17:02 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-07 09:37 -0600
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-07 18:22 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-08 03:25 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-07 23:43 -0600
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-12 11:18 -0500
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2018-07-12 13:32 -0400
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-13 08:27 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2018-07-13 16:16 -0400
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-13 13:41 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex 103134.3516@compuserve.com - 2018-07-06 09:38 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-06 17:29 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-06 17:41 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-08 10:33 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-08 18:39 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-07-08 15:02 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-08 17:13 -0600
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-09 17:05 +0000
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-11 06:01 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-07-07 22:51 -0700
Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete - "Time for the Stars" a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-08 10:26 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-07-04 17:49 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 13:50 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-07-08 14:49 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-07-08 15:10 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-08 15:40 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-08 18:12 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-09 00:02 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-09 12:14 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-09 13:07 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreheim.dimnakorr.com> - 2018-07-09 15:39 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-09 14:46 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-09 22:15 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-07-09 22:36 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2018-07-11 04:59 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-10 23:32 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-11 15:22 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-11 04:07 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-11 04:14 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-11 04:29 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 05:51 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-13 07:10 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-11 04:58 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-07-11 14:06 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-11 07:39 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-11 16:56 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-07-11 18:04 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-07-11 08:12 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-11 09:43 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-07-12 18:27 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-13 07:08 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-13 15:02 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-15 13:40 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-15 18:56 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 15:39 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-15 18:50 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 23:37 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-16 03:40 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-16 12:54 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-07-16 14:18 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-18 07:56 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-16 13:02 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-15 23:11 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-16 06:46 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-16 19:57 +0300
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-16 22:04 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 13:04 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2018-07-16 15:17 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-07-16 19:58 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-07-16 21:07 +0000
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-16 20:24 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-16 20:26 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-07-17 08:30 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 13:03 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-07-16 22:30 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 09:58 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-18 07:57 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-18 14:28 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-18 14:31 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex P. Taine <user@domaine.invalid> - 2018-07-16 20:50 -0400
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-07-18 07:53 -0500
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-07-13 16:48 -0600
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-13 18:47 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-13 18:51 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-07-14 08:12 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-07-14 09:00 -0700
Re: Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 03:31 -0700
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-11 20:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <503fa8c9-eebf-44de-8711-c1b1924a79aa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494748 |
On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 10:53:19 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: > In article <913cee03-bc06-4b57-ab82-322bf481b1b1@googlegroups.com>, > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > >I've seen worse fights over "you wore my sweater set/ > >sportcoat without asking" than over "you flirted with > >my sweet baboo!" > > > > I'm not your sweet baboo! I should hope not! NTTAWWT. Kevin R
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-12 11:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5b-dnaaZgNqL49rGnZ2dnUU7-TudnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #494747 |
On 2018-07-12, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 10:14:33 PM UTC-4, tsbr...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 8:13:38 AM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote: >> > I could see an all-female crew being of an advantage for a trip to Mars, >> > so that >> > sex and jealousy can be avoided. >> >> What if they are lesbians? > > You are about 8 days behind on that point. He just hasn't synced up yet. Dave, it may take a few more decades -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-12 11:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5b-dnaeZgNqn4NrGnZ2dnUU7-TudnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #494423 |
On 2018-07-03, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > I could see an all-female crew being of an advantage for a trip to Mars, so > that sex and jealousy can be avoided. ... and here we have a one-sentence encapsulation of JUST how obvious it is that poor John has never dealt with ANY women in his life except, briefly, his mother. Dave, oy vey maria -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-13 23:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Walk dog memory gloat |
| Message-ID | <20180713a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #494766 |
Now it's my turn gloat a bit about my memory, William Hyde. :0)
David DeLaney mentioned _Momo_ (Ende) a while ago. Excellent
suggestion David!
Guido Guide makes an entrance during the first part of the story.
He's a handsome young (redundant, no?) man with an incredible gift of
the gab. Guido mainly makes a living from the few tourists who happen
upon _Momo_'s principle setting, an amphitheater in ruins. Guido also
walks dogs for lucre to supplement his meager income.
Walk dogs for lucre. What other sfnal character walk dogs for lucre?
.. Ah yes. Mr Clare's company, General Services, also walks dogs for
lucre in "-We Also Walk Dogs" (RAH).
<<<memory gloat>>>
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 00:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0cb5baea-de84-4c4f-85dc-e6965089bc57@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494419 |
On Tuesday, 3 July 2018 14:06:20 UTC+1, a425couple wrote: > On 6/29/2018 3:28 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote: > > Do we know yet if weightless sex is worth the trouble? > > > > I suspect that an all female crew and sperm bank would > > be on board "Mother Nature's Silver Seed". And a seven > > millennia (phbbbt) supply of turkey basters. > > > > What are you seeing is the advantage of "all female crew" ? > During the journey seems to me a normal mix is probably > best for functions and morale. Mainly the looks on the faces of all the young male science fiction readers when they find out that the guaranteed sex life that they thought was on the cards is blasting off without inviting them on board. The easiest way to transport human genetic diversity physically is in those little plastic pots, frozen. And female humans as astronauts are lighter and take up less space, although on reflection, their wardrobes take up more. And shoes... maybe the ship should be weightless, then no need for shoes.
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 07:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cb669512-2e0d-4252-ba6f-45bf01061f68@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494517 |
On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 3:07:36 AM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote: > On Tuesday, 3 July 2018 14:06:20 UTC+1, a425couple wrote: > > On 6/29/2018 3:28 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote: > > > Do we know yet if weightless sex is worth the trouble? > > > > > > I suspect that an all female crew and sperm bank would > > > be on board "Mother Nature's Silver Seed". And a seven > > > millennia (phbbbt) supply of turkey basters. > > > > > > > What are you seeing is the advantage of "all female crew" ? > > During the journey seems to me a normal mix is probably > > best for functions and morale. > > Mainly the looks on the faces of all the young male > science fiction readers when they find out that the guaranteed sex life that they thought was on the cards > is blasting off without inviting them on board. > > The easiest way to transport human genetic diversity > physically is in those little plastic pots, frozen. > > And female humans as astronauts are lighter and take > up less space, although on reflection, their wardrobes > take up more. And shoes... maybe the ship should be > weightless, then no need for shoes. In a weightless ship you still need booties with grip-tight soles (velcro or whatnot) to walk on the walls, which will have a grip-strip on them. Weightless wouldn't be good for longterm health, though, would it? Kevin R
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| From | Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> |
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| Date | 2018-07-29 21:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pjlank$nf0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #494419 |
On 2018-07-03, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote: > On 6/29/2018 3:28 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote: >> Do we know yet if weightless sex is worth the trouble? >> >> I suspect that an all female crew and sperm bank would >> be on board "Mother Nature's Silver Seed". And a seven >> millennia (phbbbt) supply of turkey basters. >> > > What are you seeing is the advantage of "all female crew" ? Genetic diversity with a vastly smaller crew. No need to worry about inbreeding when half your genetic material comes from the sperm bank.
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| From | Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-30 06:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1853ae87-9f95-4787-8c77-ea6ad38107c6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #495717 |
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 5:14:31 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote: > On 2018-07-03, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On 6/29/2018 3:28 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote: > >> Do we know yet if weightless sex is worth the trouble? > >> > >> I suspect that an all female crew and sperm bank would > >> be on board "Mother Nature's Silver Seed". And a seven > >> millennia (phbbbt) supply of turkey basters. > >> > > > > What are you seeing is the advantage of "all female crew" ? > > Genetic diversity with a vastly smaller crew. No need to worry about > inbreeding when half your genetic material comes from the sperm bank. Eggs can be frozen too. The ideal option is to carry a lot of each, with an all female crew of breeding age, and each agreeable to popping out as many babies as possible, only one genetically her own. Good luck with that. pt
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| From | Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-30 10:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <robertaw-1706C7.10021330072018@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #495744 |
In article <1853ae87-9f95-4787-8c77-ea6ad38107c6@googlegroups.com>, Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 5:14:31 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote: > > On 2018-07-03, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On 6/29/2018 3:28 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote: > > >> Do we know yet if weightless sex is worth the trouble? > > >> > > >> I suspect that an all female crew and sperm bank would > > >> be on board "Mother Nature's Silver Seed". And a seven > > >> millennia (phbbbt) supply of turkey basters. > > >> > > > > > > What are you seeing is the advantage of "all female crew" ? > > > > Genetic diversity with a vastly smaller crew. No need to worry about > > inbreeding when half your genetic material comes from the sperm bank. > > Eggs can be frozen too. The ideal option is to carry a lot of each, with > an all female crew of breeding age, and each agreeable to popping out as many > babies as possible, only one genetically her own. > > Good luck with that. > Even with uterine replicators (thus relieving the crew of the burden of multiple pregnancies), they would still be faced with the problem of being overrun with 10+ children each (the oldest being 13). -- "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement." Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —----------------------------------------------------- Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com
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| From | Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> |
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| Date | 2018-08-12 20:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pkq447$dp6$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #495744 |
On 2018-07-30, Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 5:14:31 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote: >> On 2018-07-03, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > On 6/29/2018 3:28 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote: >> >> Do we know yet if weightless sex is worth the trouble? >> >> >> >> I suspect that an all female crew and sperm bank would >> >> be on board "Mother Nature's Silver Seed". And a seven >> >> millennia (phbbbt) supply of turkey basters. >> >> >> > >> > What are you seeing is the advantage of "all female crew" ? >> >> Genetic diversity with a vastly smaller crew. No need to worry about >> inbreeding when half your genetic material comes from the sperm bank. > > Eggs can be frozen too. The ideal option is to carry a lot of each, with > an all female crew of breeding age, and each agreeable to popping out as many > babies as possible, only one genetically her own. God no! Why would I want a population explosion on my generation ship? That would be a disaster.
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| From | Dan Swartzendruber <dan888@druber.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-12 22:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.35dabe05e30fb2f9989684@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #496525 |
In article <pkq447$dp6$3@dont-email.me>, rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk says... > > On 2018-07-30, Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 5:14:31 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote: > >> On 2018-07-03, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > On 6/29/2018 3:28 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote: > >> >> Do we know yet if weightless sex is worth the trouble? > >> >> > >> >> I suspect that an all female crew and sperm bank would > >> >> be on board "Mother Nature's Silver Seed". And a seven > >> >> millennia (phbbbt) supply of turkey basters. > >> >> > >> > > >> > What are you seeing is the advantage of "all female crew" ? > >> > >> Genetic diversity with a vastly smaller crew. No need to worry about > >> inbreeding when half your genetic material comes from the sperm bank. > > > > Eggs can be frozen too. The ideal option is to carry a lot of each, with > > an all female crew of breeding age, and each agreeable to popping out as many > > babies as possible, only one genetically her own. > > God no! Why would I want a population explosion on my generation ship? > That would be a disaster. I assumed this referred to after arriving at the destination...
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| From | Chris Zakes <dontivar@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-04 16:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <j6dqjd5jm53bmg6pjeb9ppn1sbehttfe9b@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #494323 |
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 09:34:30 -0700, an orbital mind-control laser caused a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> to write: >from >https://thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2018/06/28/interstellar-space-travel-will-require-lots-of-sex/ > >Interstellar space travel will require lots of sex >by TRISTAN GREENE — 1 day ago in ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE > >(Lots of variation in population in generation ship stories in sci-fi, >from small of just a couple people, example "Orphans in the Sky", land >on new world, or 5 couples in "Seed of Light", to thousands in >"The Songs from Distant Earth") > >Interstellar space travel will require lots of sex Credit: Nicole Gray >https://tnw.to/x5GS6 > >A pair of scientists from France developed an algorithm to determine the >minimum amount of sexually active couples it would take to maintain a >human crew inside of a spaceship for 6,300 years – the time it would >take to reach the nearest star beyond the sun. > >Let’s get it on: The Heritage algorithm, as its called, powers a >simulation that determines the likelihood of humans reaching Proxima >Centauri using current technology. In order to get people there from >Earth, the mission would require multiple generations of people to live >their entire lives in space while the vehicle makes the millenniums-long >voyage. And that means the initial crew, and subsequent offspring, would >have a responsibility to procreate. > >Go deeper: The simulation predicts survivability by taking various >breeding paradigms into consideration. It factors in variables such as >an unknown catastrophe which effectively wipes out one third of the >crew, and takes things like menopause, infertility, and inbreeding into >account. > >According to the team’s white paper: > >By restricting the offspring to being genetically pure, we found that >50±15 percent missions successfully reach their destination for >restricted mating between 25 initial breeding pairs. If the initial crew >is comprised of 34 initial breeding pairs, the chances to reach their >destination with a completely genetically healthy crew rise up to 94-98 >percent. An initial ship with 98 settlers (49 initial breeding pairs) >ensures a mission with a 100 percent success rate at 3-? significance. >We can then conclude that, under the parameters used for those >simulations, a minimum crew of 98 settlers is needed for a 6300-year >multi-generational space journey towards Proxima Centauri b. > >The climax: According to Heritage, less than 100 people would be >absolutely necessary to breed our way across the universe to the nearest >star. This, of course, doesn’t take into account the various X factors >that could affect such a mission – for example, there’s no research on >fertility rates in deep space. And it’s unclear what the psychological >state of a group of people who’ve only ever lived on a traveling >spaceship would be like. Psychological state will be the real factor. The trip is calculated to take some 6300 years. That's pretty much all of recorded human history. Presuming they survive, the ship's inhabitants will have *no* clue about things like "sky" or "weather" or (presuming the trip starts using currently-available technology) "gravity." They'd be used to nothing but a climate-controlled environment with walls and floors around them at all times. Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how to land and get out of the ship after six millenia. It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a generation ship using rockets and coasting did. -Chris Zakes Texas -- GNU Terry Pratchett Mind how you go.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-04 18:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fdiqjdhfljrj51u1kr8lhplmka9o98iebl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #494460 |
On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 16:13:31 -0500, Chris Zakes <dontivar@gmail.com> wrote: >On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 09:34:30 -0700, an orbital mind-control laser >caused a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> to write: > >>from >>https://thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2018/06/28/interstellar-space-travel-will-require-lots-of-sex/ >> >>Interstellar space travel will require lots of sex >>by TRISTAN GREENE — 1 day ago in ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE >> >>(Lots of variation in population in generation ship stories in sci-fi, >>from small of just a couple people, example "Orphans in the Sky", land >>on new world, or 5 couples in "Seed of Light", to thousands in >>"The Songs from Distant Earth") >> >>Interstellar space travel will require lots of sex Credit: Nicole Gray >>https://tnw.to/x5GS6 >> >>A pair of scientists from France developed an algorithm to determine the >>minimum amount of sexually active couples it would take to maintain a >>human crew inside of a spaceship for 6,300 years – the time it would >>take to reach the nearest star beyond the sun. >> >>Let’s get it on: The Heritage algorithm, as its called, powers a >>simulation that determines the likelihood of humans reaching Proxima >>Centauri using current technology. In order to get people there from >>Earth, the mission would require multiple generations of people to live >>their entire lives in space while the vehicle makes the millenniums-long >>voyage. And that means the initial crew, and subsequent offspring, would >>have a responsibility to procreate. >> >>Go deeper: The simulation predicts survivability by taking various >>breeding paradigms into consideration. It factors in variables such as >>an unknown catastrophe which effectively wipes out one third of the >>crew, and takes things like menopause, infertility, and inbreeding into >>account. >> >>According to the team’s white paper: >> >>By restricting the offspring to being genetically pure, we found that >>50±15 percent missions successfully reach their destination for >>restricted mating between 25 initial breeding pairs. If the initial crew >>is comprised of 34 initial breeding pairs, the chances to reach their >>destination with a completely genetically healthy crew rise up to 94-98 >>percent. An initial ship with 98 settlers (49 initial breeding pairs) >>ensures a mission with a 100 percent success rate at 3-? significance. >>We can then conclude that, under the parameters used for those >>simulations, a minimum crew of 98 settlers is needed for a 6300-year >>multi-generational space journey towards Proxima Centauri b. >> >>The climax: According to Heritage, less than 100 people would be >>absolutely necessary to breed our way across the universe to the nearest >>star. This, of course, doesn’t take into account the various X factors >>that could affect such a mission – for example, there’s no research on >>fertility rates in deep space. And it’s unclear what the psychological >>state of a group of people who’ve only ever lived on a traveling >>spaceship would be like. > >Psychological state will be the real factor. The trip is calculated to >take some 6300 years. That's pretty much all of recorded human >history. Presuming they survive, the ship's inhabitants will have *no* >clue about things like "sky" or "weather" or (presuming the trip >starts using currently-available technology) "gravity." They'd be used >to nothing but a climate-controlled environment with walls and floors >around them at all times. > >Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle >groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they >even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how >to land and get out of the ship after six millenia. I am getting so sick of this "gravity" business with long term space travel. Fucking DISNEY showed how to deal with that in the '50s and they didn't originate the idea. You just need to rotate the damned ship. This isn't magic. The question is how slowly it has to turn to prevent rotation from causing secondary problems. The "wheel in space" space stations weren't depicted like that because they looked cool, they were depicted like that because it was a practical design. And the reason we don't have one right now is because NASA would rather distributed billions to manufacturers of throwaway rockets as a jobs program for aerospace workers than develop the technology to get things into space at a reasonable cost. >It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have >developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a >generation ship using rockets and coasting did. > > -Chris Zakes > Texas
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| From | Chris Zakes <dontivar@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-11 14:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <e1mckdhumgh5qnrffp0vjfh0l32lkd0fcr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #494465 |
On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:30:57 -0400, an orbital mind-control laser caused J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> to write: >On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 16:13:31 -0500, Chris Zakes <dontivar@gmail.com> >wrote: > >>On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 09:34:30 -0700, an orbital mind-control laser >>caused a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> to write: >> >>>from >>>https://thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2018/06/28/interstellar-space-travel-will-require-lots-of-sex/ >>> >>>Interstellar space travel will require lots of sex >>>by TRISTAN GREENE — 1 day ago in ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE >>> >>>(Lots of variation in population in generation ship stories in sci-fi, >>>from small of just a couple people, example "Orphans in the Sky", land >>>on new world, or 5 couples in "Seed of Light", to thousands in >>>"The Songs from Distant Earth") >>> >>>Interstellar space travel will require lots of sex Credit: Nicole Gray >>>https://tnw.to/x5GS6 >>> >>>A pair of scientists from France developed an algorithm to determine the >>>minimum amount of sexually active couples it would take to maintain a >>>human crew inside of a spaceship for 6,300 years – the time it would >>>take to reach the nearest star beyond the sun. >>> >>>Let’s get it on: The Heritage algorithm, as its called, powers a >>>simulation that determines the likelihood of humans reaching Proxima >>>Centauri using current technology. In order to get people there from >>>Earth, the mission would require multiple generations of people to live >>>their entire lives in space while the vehicle makes the millenniums-long >>>voyage. And that means the initial crew, and subsequent offspring, would >>>have a responsibility to procreate. >>> >>>Go deeper: The simulation predicts survivability by taking various >>>breeding paradigms into consideration. It factors in variables such as >>>an unknown catastrophe which effectively wipes out one third of the >>>crew, and takes things like menopause, infertility, and inbreeding into >>>account. >>> >>>According to the team’s white paper: >>> >>>By restricting the offspring to being genetically pure, we found that >>>50±15 percent missions successfully reach their destination for >>>restricted mating between 25 initial breeding pairs. If the initial crew >>>is comprised of 34 initial breeding pairs, the chances to reach their >>>destination with a completely genetically healthy crew rise up to 94-98 >>>percent. An initial ship with 98 settlers (49 initial breeding pairs) >>>ensures a mission with a 100 percent success rate at 3-? significance. >>>We can then conclude that, under the parameters used for those >>>simulations, a minimum crew of 98 settlers is needed for a 6300-year >>>multi-generational space journey towards Proxima Centauri b. >>> >>>The climax: According to Heritage, less than 100 people would be >>>absolutely necessary to breed our way across the universe to the nearest >>>star. This, of course, doesn’t take into account the various X factors >>>that could affect such a mission – for example, there’s no research on >>>fertility rates in deep space. And it’s unclear what the psychological >>>state of a group of people who’ve only ever lived on a traveling >>>spaceship would be like. >> >>Psychological state will be the real factor. The trip is calculated to >>take some 6300 years. That's pretty much all of recorded human >>history. Presuming they survive, the ship's inhabitants will have *no* >>clue about things like "sky" or "weather" or (presuming the trip >>starts using currently-available technology) "gravity." They'd be used >>to nothing but a climate-controlled environment with walls and floors >>around them at all times. >> >>Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle >>groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they >>even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how >>to land and get out of the ship after six millenia. > >I am getting so sick of this "gravity" business with long term space >travel. > >Fucking DISNEY showed how to deal with that in the '50s and they >didn't originate the idea. You just need to rotate the damned ship. >This isn't magic. The question is how slowly it has to turn to >prevent rotation from causing secondary problems. Hmm. A fair point, and one I (foolishly) hadn't considered. So they'll just have severe agoraphobia, weather, and trying to remember what their mission is after 6000 years, to deal with. Basically the final scene in Heinlein's "Orphans of the Sky." -Chris Zakes Texas -- GNU Terry Pratchett Mind how you go.
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| From | Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-04 16:55 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <r8qdnQccEYbRzaDGnZ2dnUU7-cPNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #494460 |
> > Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle > groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they > even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how > to land and get out of the ship after six millenia. > > It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have > developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a > generation ship using rockets and coasting did. > > -Chris Zakes > Texas > There was a book or story back in the 60's called Far Centaurus. It wasn't a generation ship but used suspended animation. The trip took 500 years, and after they got there and woke up, guess what they found. People. People had been there for 300 years. So instead of spending trillions of dollars on a generation ship that will take thousands of years, wait 100 years and technology will have found a way to get there 1000 X faster.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-04 20:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <esnqjdpj5b8ql8oc1kg2ks2eq7aipk4q0l@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #494466 |
On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 16:55:06 -0600, Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote: >> >> Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle >> groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they >> even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how >> to land and get out of the ship after six millenia. >> >> It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have >> developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a >> generation ship using rockets and coasting did. >> >> -Chris Zakes >> Texas >> > >There was a book or story back in the 60's called Far Centaurus. It >wasn't a generation ship but used suspended animation. The trip took >500 years, and after they got there and woke up, guess what they found. >People. People had been there for 300 years. So instead of spending >trillions of dollars on a generation ship that will take thousands of >years, wait 100 years and technology will have found a way to get there >1000 X faster. Or not. While it's nice to believe that faster than light travel is possible, the lack of ET tax collectors suggests otherwise.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-05 15:50 +0000 |
| Subject | YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <20180705a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #494466 |
Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote:
>>
>> Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle
>> groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they
>> even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how
>> to land and get out of the ship after six millenia.
>>
>> It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have
>> developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a
>> generation ship using rockets and coasting did.
>>
>> -Chris Zakes
>> Texas
>>
>
> There was a book or story back in the 60's called Far Centaurus. It
> wasn't a generation ship but used suspended animation. The trip took
> 500 years, and after they got there and woke up, guess what they found.
> People. People had been there for 300 years. So instead of spending
> trillions of dollars on a generation ship that will take thousands of
> years, wait 100 years and technology will have found a way to get there
> 1000 X faster.
"Far Centaurus" (van Vogt) was first published in the January 1944 issue
of _Astounding_. Thanks to Ted, it's possible to link to an online
version of the story. [1]
AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar
plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a
Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately
my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look
too promising. Ergo my YASID.
Note.
1. http://www.prosperosisle.org/spip.php?article332#FarCentaurus
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 16:59 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <slrnpju4q1.374.newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> |
| In reply to | #494488 |
On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 15:50:43 -0000 (UTC), D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
| Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote:
|>>
|>> Severe agoraphobia, bone density loss, and atrophying of major muscle
|>> groups would only be the start of their problems, presuming that they
|>> even *remembered* what their mission was supposed to be, and knew how
|>> to land and get out of the ship after six millenia.
|>>
|>> It'd make a lot more sense to wait--in 6300 years, we'll probably have
|>> developed FTL travel, and would get to Proxima Centauri long before a
|>> generation ship using rockets and coasting did.
|>>
|>> -Chris Zakes
|>> Texas
|>>
|>
|> There was a book or story back in the 60's called Far Centaurus. It
|> wasn't a generation ship but used suspended animation. The trip took
|> 500 years, and after they got there and woke up, guess what they found.
|> People. People had been there for 300 years. So instead of spending
|> trillions of dollars on a generation ship that will take thousands of
|> years, wait 100 years and technology will have found a way to get there
|> 1000 X faster.
|
| "Far Centaurus" (van Vogt) was first published in the January 1944 issue
| of _Astounding_. Thanks to Ted, it's possible to link to an online
| version of the story. [1]
| AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar
| plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a
| Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately
| my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look
| too promising. Ergo my YASID.
|
| Note.
|
| 1. http://www.prosperosisle.org/spip.php?article332#FarCentaurus
All my books are packed away at the moment, but (from memory) "Mayflies"
by Kevin O'Donnell Jr, has this.
FTL is invented while they are part way, but Earth humans leave their
original destination alone, so they won't find anyone there first.
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, ULC. http://andor.dropbear.id.au/
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-07-06 17:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <20180706a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #494518 |
Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 15:50:43 -0000 (UTC), D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
<snip>
> | "Far Centaurus" (van Vogt) was first published in the January 1944 issue
> | of _Astounding_. Thanks to Ted, it's possible to link to an online
> | version of the story. [1]
> | AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar
> | plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a
> | Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately
> | my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look
> | too promising. Ergo my YASID.
> |
> | Note.
> |
> | 1. http://www.prosperosisle.org/spip.php?article332#FarCentaurus
>
>
> All my books are packed away at the moment, but (from memory) "Mayflies"
> by Kevin O'Donnell Jr, has this.
>
> FTL is invented while they are part way, but Earth humans leave their
> original destination alone, so they won't find anyone there first.
"Mayflies" rings a bell. Mostly because Carl brought it up last year in
RASW.
It turns out that my YASID actually involves a statis ship and not a
generation ship. It's an early Niven story named "Flatlander." See my
followup to Greg for more details.
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 09:57 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: YASID: Generation ship becomes obsolete mid-voyage was Opinion on Generation ships size - Interstellar space travel will require sex |
| Message-ID | <fq9hqnF5rlqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #494488 |
D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > AFAIK, the van Vogt was never read by me. But a story with a similar >plot was read by me. FWIW (not much) it "feels" like it ought to be a >Haldeman or a Laumer or a Russel or a Shaw or something. Unfortunately >my search on "obsolete generation ship ftl science fiction" doesn't look >too promising. Ergo my YASID. In the Honorverse backstory, the coldsleep ship heading for Manticore left behind a foundation with good reserve funding. So when they got to their destination, an FTL-based colony was already preparing their infrastructure. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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