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  Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 02:29 -0700
    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-04-30 08:09 -0500
      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-30 14:04 +0000
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-30 08:55 -0700
      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 08:30 -0700
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-30 21:02 +0000
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-30 22:21 -0500
          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-30 22:24 -0500
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? 103134.3516@compuserve.com - 2018-05-02 09:45 -0700
              Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2018-05-02 17:24 +0000
                Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:10 -0500
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-03 13:06 +0000
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? 103134.3516@compuserve.com - 2018-05-04 10:10 -0700
          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-04-30 20:30 -0700
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 21:27 -0700
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:15 -0500
          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-01 13:24 +0000
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-02 05:49 -0600
          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 21:34 -0700
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:31 -0500
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> - 2018-05-01 19:10 -0400
    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2018-04-30 07:54 -0700
      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-30 09:41 -0700
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 08:53 -0400
          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-03 10:02 -0700
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 10:49 -0700
              Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-03 11:23 -0700
                Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-03 12:15 -0700
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-03 13:02 -0700
                Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 18:56 -0400
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-03 23:28 +0000
                    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2018-05-04 01:40 +0100
                    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 21:56 -0400
                      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-05-03 19:42 -0700
                        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-04 04:10 +0000
                          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-03 22:54 -0700
                Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-05-03 22:29 -0700
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 06:58 -0700
                    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-04 09:17 -0700
                      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-04 09:40 -0700
                        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-04 14:45 -0700
              Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 21:18 -0500
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-03 20:02 +0000
      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-04-30 11:44 -0500
    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 10:50 -0600
      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-30 16:55 +0000
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 10:59 -0600
    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 15:24 -0500
      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 15:26 -0500
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 15:48 -0700
          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 18:03 -0500
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 16:50 -0700
              Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 19:12 -0500
                Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 03:35 +0000
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 15:47 -0500
                    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 14:28 -0700
                      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 17:41 -0500
                        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 15:43 -0700
                          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 18:00 -0500
                            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 16:48 -0700
                            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-02 03:01 +0000
                            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-02 03:02 +0000
                              Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:48 -0500
                                Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 21:53 -0700
                    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-02 00:11 +0000
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2018-04-30 16:54 -0700
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2018-05-01 19:38 -0400
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 21:17 -0700
      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-01 00:03 +0000
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 20:46 -0400
          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 03:38 +0000
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-01 05:21 +0000
              Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 08:49 -0700
                Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-05-01 12:10 -0700
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 13:12 -0700
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 15:34 -0700
                    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 19:53 -0400
                      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 19:41 -0700
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 19:49 -0400
                    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 19:36 -0700
                      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 22:51 -0400
                    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 09:25 -0700
                      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:49 -0500
                        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-02 14:45 -0700
                          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:07 -0700
                          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 19:10 -0400
                          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-05-02 21:09 -0700
                            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:23 -0500
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-01 22:43 -0700
                    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 21:49 -0700
                      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 08:10 -0700
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:21 -0500
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-04 06:14 -0600
              Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:15 -0700
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-30 21:55 -0700
          Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-01 05:26 +0000
            Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-05-01 21:39 -0700
              Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-02 05:01 +0000
                Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 23:17 -0700
                Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-04 06:45 -0600
              Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-05-04 06:28 -0700
                Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-04 14:41 +0000
                Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-04 09:16 -0700
                  Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-04 11:05 -0600
                    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-04 14:45 -0700
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-04 06:11 -0600
    Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-30 15:19 -0700
      Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-01 14:23 -0700
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-01 21:30 +0000
        Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:25 -0500

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#491493

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/1/2018 5:43 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> ...
>>> I have read all of the older Deryni books and McDevitt books.  I
>>> have read the first 4 ? 5 ? Expanse books.  The Connie Willis
>>> book that I have in my SBR is _Blackout_.
>>
>> I would note that Blackout is only half the story. The other half
>> is All Clear.
>
> Yes, if I like _Blackout_ then I will purchase _All Clear_.
>
> I try not to get too far ahead in series in case they go into the ditch
> on me.
>

This thread serves to illustrate my own surreptitious path to a re-read.
Just in case anyone gives a tinker's dam. _Blackout_ is also in my SBR. 
"Firewatch" and _Doomsday Book_ are both known to me.
    A quick re-read of "Firewatch" was called for in order to refresh my
memory. It has a cat. You often find a cat in the better time travel 
stories.
    "Firewatch" also uses endorphins to cram pertinent historic data 
into the long term memory of a time traveler. Although it's hard to 
retrieve, the data can help a traveler spontaneously cope with a given 
historic period.
    Endorphines are endogenous opioid neuropeptides. And it turns out 
that "Endogenous neuropeptides such as ... opioids have significant
effects on learning and memory." [1]  
 
Note.

1. http://ispub.com/IJPHARM/7/1/12011

✍

Thank you,

-- 
Don

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#491494

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/1/2018 5:43 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> ...
>>> I have read all of the older Deryni books and McDevitt books.  I
>>> have read the first 4 ? 5 ? Expanse books.  The Connie Willis
>>> book that I have in my SBR is _Blackout_.
>>
>> I would note that Blackout is only half the story. The other half
>> is All Clear.
>
> Yes, if I like _Blackout_ then I will purchase _All Clear_.
>
> I try not to get too far ahead in series in case they go into the ditch
> on me.
>

This thread serves to illustrate my own surreptitious path to a re-read.
Just in case anyone gives a tinker's dam. _Blackout_ is also in my SBR. 
"Firewatch" and _Doomsday Book_ are both known to me.
    A quick re-read of "Firewatch" was called for in order to refresh my
memory. It has a cat. You often find a cat in the better time travel 
stories.
    "Firewatch" also uses endorphins to cram pertinent historic data 
into the long term memory of a time traveler. Although it's hard to 
retrieve, the data can help a traveler spontaneously cope with a given 
historic period.
    Endorphines are endogenous opioid neuropeptides. And it turns out 
that "Endogenous neuropeptides such as ... opioids have significant
effects on learning and memory." [1]  
 
Note.

1. http://ispub.com/IJPHARM/7/1/12011

✍

Thank you,

-- 
Don

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#491530

On 5/1/2018 10:02 PM, D B Davis wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/1/2018 5:43 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> ...
>>>> I have read all of the older Deryni books and McDevitt books.  I
>>>> have read the first 4 ? 5 ? Expanse books.  The Connie Willis
>>>> book that I have in my SBR is _Blackout_.
>>>
>>> I would note that Blackout is only half the story. The other half
>>> is All Clear.
>>
>> Yes, if I like _Blackout_ then I will purchase _All Clear_.
>>
>> I try not to get too far ahead in series in case they go into the ditch
>> on me.
>>
> 
> This thread serves to illustrate my own surreptitious path to a re-read.
> Just in case anyone gives a tinker's dam. _Blackout_ is also in my SBR.
> "Firewatch" and _Doomsday Book_ are both known to me.
>      A quick re-read of "Firewatch" was called for in order to refresh my
> memory. It has a cat. You often find a cat in the better time travel
> stories.
>      "Firewatch" also uses endorphins to cram pertinent historic data
> into the long term memory of a time traveler. Although it's hard to
> retrieve, the data can help a traveler spontaneously cope with a given
> historic period.
>      Endorphines are endogenous opioid neuropeptides. And it turns out
> that "Endogenous neuropeptides such as ... opioids have significant
> effects on learning and memory." [1]
>   
> Note.
> 
> 1. http://ispub.com/IJPHARM/7/1/12011
> 
> ✍
> 
> Thank you,

I have not read _Firewatch_ as I dislike short stories.  But I have read 
_The Doomsday Book_ and _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.  I found both to be 
excellent.

Lynn

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#491592

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 4:48:53 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/1/2018 10:02 PM, D B Davis wrote:
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2018 5:43 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> >> ...
> >>>> I have read all of the older Deryni books and McDevitt books.  I
> >>>> have read the first 4 ? 5 ? Expanse books.  The Connie Willis
> >>>> book that I have in my SBR is _Blackout_.
> >>>
> >>> I would note that Blackout is only half the story. The other half
> >>> is All Clear.
> >>
> >> Yes, if I like _Blackout_ then I will purchase _All Clear_.
> >>
> >> I try not to get too far ahead in series in case they go into the ditch
> >> on me.
> >>
> > 
> > This thread serves to illustrate my own surreptitious path to a re-read.
> > Just in case anyone gives a tinker's dam. _Blackout_ is also in my SBR.
> > "Firewatch" and _Doomsday Book_ are both known to me.
> >      A quick re-read of "Firewatch" was called for in order to refresh my
> > memory. It has a cat. You often find a cat in the better time travel
> > stories.
> >      "Firewatch" also uses endorphins to cram pertinent historic data
> > into the long term memory of a time traveler. Although it's hard to
> > retrieve, the data can help a traveler spontaneously cope with a given
> > historic period.
> >      Endorphines are endogenous opioid neuropeptides. And it turns out
> > that "Endogenous neuropeptides such as ... opioids have significant
> > effects on learning and memory." [1]
> >   
> > Note.
> > 
> > 1. http://ispub.com/IJPHARM/7/1/12011
> > 
> > ✍
> > 
> > Thank you,
> 
> I have not read _Firewatch_ as I dislike short stories.  But I have read 
> _The Doomsday Book_ and _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.  I found both to be 
> excellent.
> 
> Lynn

I have never liked short stories, and I have always been somewhat embarrassed about it. It is good to hear someone else say out loud, "I dislike short stories".

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#491481

Removing all the attributions to save space:

I recently got hold of Becky Chambers' _The Long Way to a Small,
Angry Planet,_ which I'd seen reviewed a couple of years before.
The title had stuck in my head, and I'd allocated a little bit of
spending money for FogCon, so I bought it.  It's good.  The
aliens are not so different one can't sympathize with them, but
different enough from your bog-standard human to be interesting.

I see there's a second book in the same universe, and a third
predicted for this summer.  I'll have to look for them.

Mind you, this isn't my *best* SF/F; that's still Tolkien.  But
she's good.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#491392

On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 7:03:51 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 4/30/2018 5:48 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:pc7u6g$ot3$4@dont-email.me:
> > 
> >> On 4/30/2018 3:24 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> On 4/30/2018 4:29 AM, The Zygon wrote:
> >>>> I quite deliberately posed the question as "best read" as
> >>>> opposed to best writer, because I think that far more factors
> >>>> go into being the best writer than simply having the best
> >>>> writing style.   My favorite read is _Dan Simmons_, but he
> >>>> is not my favorite writer. Before I read _Dan Simmons_, _Orson
> >>>> Scott Card_ was my favorite read. My favorite writer is _C J
> >>>> Cherryh_. I am in awe of her ability to evoke a sense of the
> >>>> alien in the ET's she writes about. Even so, she is not the
> >>>> writer I find most impressive.
> >>>>
> >>>> The writer I find most impressive is _Lois McMaster Bujold_.Â
> >>>> She takes stories which are conceptually quite ordinary and
> >>>> makes something special out of them. Whenever I read her
> >>>> books, I am reminded of _Denzel Washington_  in  _Training
> >>>> Day_.  Without his performance, that movies is a nothing
> >>>> movie.  There are hundreds like it that no one remembers.Â
> >>>> But people remember _Training Day_  because of his
> >>>> Oscar-winning performance. This is what _Lois McMaster Bujold_
> >>>> does to what would otherwise be very ordinary stories.
> >>>>
> >>>> Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science
> >>>> fiction/fantasy author I have  read.  Indeed, I am not
> >>>> certain that I can name anyone.
> >>>
> >>> David Weber.
> >>>
> >>> Lynn
> >>
> >> Explicitly for his Dahak series.
> >>
> > But nothing he's written since he got too popular to edit.
> 
> I am not sure of that.  And I have read everything David Weber has 
> written except for his War God series.  Several of the Honor books 
> (earlier) were most excellent.
> 
> Lynn

I used to buy everything Weber wrote, many of them in hardback. I have yet to buy the last three Honorverse books at all. I once also bought the allied 'Worlds of Honor' books'; again, I haven't bought the last two. I once also bought the 'Saganami' books; not the last two, though. I have bought none of the Stephanie Harrington books or the 'Manticore Ascendant' books. Weber's early books sometimes had problems (the iffy biology in many, especially the Dahak books) but were redeemed by the characters and the writing. Both the characters and the writing have gone downhill, in some cases quickly, and in most cases predictably. When Baron Tellian's daughter was first introduced in the 'War God' books, for example, it was an easy guess as to what would happen... and it did. The actions of the Good Shepard in Zion had entirely predictable consequences, especially when allied with the actions of the estimable head of the Mighty Host of God and the Archangels. In the Honorverse and the Safehold books the original protagonists stopped being the main characters several books ago; Merlin barely qualifies as a supporting character in the last Safehold book, though I suspect that there will be a follow-on series, 'At the Sign of Triumph' left too many loose ends.

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#491473

On 4/30/2018 4:26 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 4/30/2018 3:24 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 4/30/2018 4:29 AM, The Zygon wrote:
>>> I quite deliberately posed the question as "best read" as opposed to 
>>> best writer, because I think that far more factors go into being the 
>>> best writer than simply having the best writing style.   My favorite 
>>> read is _Dan Simmons_, but he is not my favorite writer. Before I 
>>> read _Dan Simmons_, _Orson Scott Card_ was my favorite read. My 
>>> favorite writer is _C J Cherryh_. I am in awe of her ability to evoke 
>>> a sense of the alien in the ET's she writes about. Even so, she is 
>>> not the writer I find most impressive.
>>>
>>> The writer I find most impressive is _Lois McMaster Bujold_.  She 
>>> takes stories which are conceptually quite ordinary and makes 
>>> something special out of them. Whenever I read her books, I am 
>>> reminded of _Denzel Washington_  in  _Training Day_.  Without his 
>>> performance, that movies is a nothing movie.  There are hundreds like 
>>> it that no one remembers.  But people remember _Training Day_  
>>> because of his Oscar-winning performance. This is what _Lois McMaster 
>>> Bujold_ does to what would otherwise be very ordinary stories.
>>>
>>> Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science 
>>> fiction/fantasy author I have  read.  Indeed, I am not certain that I 
>>> can name anyone.
>>
>> David Weber.
>>
>> Lynn
> 
> Explicitly for his Dahak series.
> 
> Lynn
> 
> 

The Dahak books are a lot of fun.  I am still upset that the anime 
version was canceled when ADV imploded.

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#491588

On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 4:26:58 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 4/30/2018 3:24 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > On 4/30/2018 4:29 AM, The Zygon wrote:
> >> I quite deliberately posed the question as "best read" as opposed to 
> >> best writer, because I think that far more factors go into being the 
> >> best writer than simply having the best writing style.   My favorite 
> >> read is _Dan Simmons_, but he is not my favorite writer. Before I read 
> >> _Dan Simmons_, _Orson Scott Card_ was my favorite read. My favorite 
> >> writer is _C J Cherryh_. I am in awe of her ability to evoke a sense 
> >> of the alien in the ET's she writes about. Even so, she is not the 
> >> writer I find most impressive.
> >>
> >> The writer I find most impressive is _Lois McMaster Bujold_.  She 
> >> takes stories which are conceptually quite ordinary and makes 
> >> something special out of them. Whenever I read her books, I am 
> >> reminded of _Denzel Washington_  in  _Training Day_.  Without his 
> >> performance, that movies is a nothing movie.  There are hundreds like 
> >> it that no one remembers.  But people remember _Training Day_  because 
> >> of his Oscar-winning performance. This is what _Lois McMaster Bujold_ 
> >> does to what would otherwise be very ordinary stories.
> >>
> >> Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science 
> >> fiction/fantasy author I have  read.  Indeed, I am not certain that I 
> >> can name anyone.
> > 
> > David Weber.
> > 
> > Lynn
> 
> Explicitly for his Dahak series.
> 
> Lynn

I read Dahak 1.  Enjoyed it immensely.   I plan to complete the trilogy eventually.

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#491393

In article <pc7u2o$ot3$3@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>David Weber.

I've enjoyed the Honor Harrington books, but the last one I
read, there's an unknown enemy so horrifying that I want to wait
until I know that I can read at least up to where I get to see
that enemy unmasked, utterly defeated, and Cast Into the Lake Of
Fire (or some equivalent) before I can bear to read any more.

Maybe that's happened already; I haven't kept up.

(This is whatever group is using that McGuffin to take over
someone's body and make them do things against their will.  The
last one I read, Honor had to shoot one of her trusted guardsmen
in the head; through Nimitz, she could tell he was frantically
trying to prevent his body from shooting Honor, but was
completely disconnected from any control. Yeah, it's been a 
few years.)

I did think the earlier ones were better.  He's gotten a bit too
cute with the tree cats.  I think it was better when they were
maybe intelligent, but too alien to communicate with, except for
those few humans they had adopted.
-- 
Mike Van Pelt       |  "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
mvp at calweb.com   |   -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
KE6BVH              |      Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

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#491399

On Tue, 01 May 2018 00:03:00 GMT, mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt)
wrote:

>In article <pc7u2o$ot3$3@dont-email.me>,
>Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>David Weber.
>
>I've enjoyed the Honor Harrington books, but the last one I
>read, there's an unknown enemy so horrifying that I want to wait
>until I know that I can read at least up to where I get to see
>that enemy unmasked, utterly defeated, and Cast Into the Lake Of
>Fire (or some equivalent) before I can bear to read any more.
>
>Maybe that's happened already; I haven't kept up.
>
>(This is whatever group is using that McGuffin to take over
>someone's body and make them do things against their will.  The
>last one I read, Honor had to shoot one of her trusted guardsmen
>in the head; through Nimitz, she could tell he was frantically
>trying to prevent his body from shooting Honor, but was
>completely disconnected from any control. Yeah, it's been a 
>few years.)
>
FWIW, that got dealt with, at least for people who were "important"
enough to rate protection.  The protection turned out to be available
in limited quantity although eventually that should change.>I did
think the earlier ones were better. 

>He's gotten a bit too
>cute with the tree cats.  I think it was better when they were
>maybe intelligent, but too alien to communicate with, except for
>those few humans they had adopted.

I'm waiting for Nimitz to learn how to handle a starship.  After all
he's been picking the brain of the most capable military commander in
the universe for decades.

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#491412

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
news:k1efed9btdsnjfmaphtja37monaa9pfm7t@4ax.com: 

> I'm waiting for Nimitz to learn how to handle a starship.  After
> all he's been picking the brain of the most capable military
> commander in the universe for decades.
> 
Weber finally introduce Captain Kirk to the Honorverse?

-- 
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491419

In article <XnsA8D4D201099C5taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:k1efed9btdsnjfmaphtja37monaa9pfm7t@4ax.com: 
>
>> I'm waiting for Nimitz to learn how to handle a starship.  After
>> all he's been picking the brain of the most capable military
>> commander in the universe for decades.
>> 
>Weber finally introduce Captain Kirk to the Honorverse?
>
Astrid Anderson (now Bear) and I once wrote a fanfic linking Star
Trek TOS to the Lensmen.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I
don't have it any more.  Three moves equal one fire.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#491432

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in 
news:p81AwD.1B6M@kithrup.com:

> In article <XnsA8D4D201099C5taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
> Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:k1efed9btdsnjfmaphtja37monaa9pfm7t@4ax.com: 
>>
>>> I'm waiting for Nimitz to learn how to handle a starship.  After
>>> all he's been picking the brain of the most capable military
>>> commander in the universe for decades.
>>> 
>>Weber finally introduce Captain Kirk to the Honorverse?
>>
> Astrid Anderson (now Bear) and I once wrote a fanfic linking Star
> Trek TOS to the Lensmen.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I
> don't have it any more.  Three moves equal one fire.
> 
I once proposed, in the David Weber fan group, that if Kirk and 
Harrington ever met, not only would he kick her ass, but she'd like 
and they'd end up in bed together. I was disappointed in the small 
number of death threats I got.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491442

On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 4:49:37 PM UTC+1, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in 
> news:p81AwD.1B6M@kithrup.com:
> 
> > In article <XnsA8D4D201099C5taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
> > Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>news:k1efed9btdsnjfmaphtja37monaa9pfm7t@4ax.com: 
> >>
> >>> I'm waiting for Nimitz to learn how to handle a starship.  After
> >>> all he's been picking the brain of the most capable military
> >>> commander in the universe for decades.
> >>> 
> >>Weber finally introduce Captain Kirk to the Honorverse?
> >>
> > Astrid Anderson (now Bear) and I once wrote a fanfic linking Star
> > Trek TOS to the Lensmen.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I
> > don't have it any more.  Three moves equal one fire.
> > 
> I once proposed, in the David Weber fan group, that if Kirk and 
> Harrington ever met, not only would he kick her ass, but she'd like 
> and they'd end up in bed together. I was disappointed in the small 
> number of death threats I got.
> 
> -- 
> Terry Austin
> 
> Vacation photos from Iceland: 
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
> 
> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>     -- David Bilek
> 
> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

My impression of Kirk is that he tends to lose fair fights against opponents with a superhuman edge, which would include Harrington's genetic engineering. He does tend to get the girl, though, and when push comes to shove you tend to find out that Kirk has found a way to arrange for something other than a fair fight.

PS - thinking of Admiral Byng and the 12th Article of War from https://www.hmsrichmond.org/rnarticles.htm and the phrase "or shall not do his utmost to take or destroy every ship which it shall be his duty to engage"  - I think fair fights are illegal if unfair advantages are to be had.

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#491447

mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote in
news:98467c87-7aa2-433a-a0d0-0cae1590ab61@googlegroups.com: 

> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 4:49:37 PM UTC+1, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha wrote: 
>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in 
>> news:p81AwD.1B6M@kithrup.com:
>> 
>> > In article <XnsA8D4D201099C5taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
>> > Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >>news:k1efed9btdsnjfmaphtja37monaa9pfm7t@4ax.com: 
>> >>
>> >>> I'm waiting for Nimitz to learn how to handle a starship. 
>> >>> After all he's been picking the brain of the most capable
>> >>> military commander in the universe for decades.
>> >>> 
>> >>Weber finally introduce Captain Kirk to the Honorverse?
>> >>
>> > Astrid Anderson (now Bear) and I once wrote a fanfic linking
>> > Star Trek TOS to the Lensmen.  Unfortunately (or maybe
>> > fortunately), I don't have it any more.  Three moves equal
>> > one fire. 
>> > 
>> I once proposed, in the David Weber fan group, that if Kirk and
>> Harrington ever met, not only would he kick her ass, but she'd
>> like and they'd end up in bed together. I was disappointed in
>> the small number of death threats I got.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Terry Austin
>> 
>> Vacation photos from Iceland: 
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
>> 
>> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>>     -- David Bilek
>> 
>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
> 
> My impression of Kirk is that he tends to lose fair fights
> against opponents with a superhuman edge, which would include
> Harrington's genetic engineering. He does tend to get the girl,
> though, and when push comes to shove you tend to find out that
> Kirk has found a way to arrange for something other than a fair
> fight. 

I would imagine it would all depend on whether it's an Honorverse 
book or an episode of Star Trek.

But that wasn't really the point.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491466

On 5/1/2018 12:10 PM, mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 4:49:37 PM UTC+1, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>> news:p81AwD.1B6M@kithrup.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsA8D4D201099C5taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
>>> Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:k1efed9btdsnjfmaphtja37monaa9pfm7t@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm waiting for Nimitz to learn how to handle a starship.  After
>>>>> all he's been picking the brain of the most capable military
>>>>> commander in the universe for decades.
>>>>>
>>>> Weber finally introduce Captain Kirk to the Honorverse?
>>>>
>>> Astrid Anderson (now Bear) and I once wrote a fanfic linking Star
>>> Trek TOS to the Lensmen.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I
>>> don't have it any more.  Three moves equal one fire.
>>>
>> I once proposed, in the David Weber fan group, that if Kirk and
>> Harrington ever met, not only would he kick her ass, but she'd like
>> and they'd end up in bed together. I was disappointed in the small
>> number of death threats I got.
>>
>> -- 
>> Terry Austin
>>
>> Vacation photos from Iceland:
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
>>
>> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>>      -- David Bilek
>>
>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
> 
> My impression of Kirk is that he tends to lose fair fights against opponents with a superhuman edge, which would include Harrington's genetic engineering. He does tend to get the girl, though, and when push comes to shove you tend to find out that Kirk has found a way to arrange for something other than a fair fight.
> 
> PS - thinking of Admiral Byng and the 12th Article of War from https://www.hmsrichmond.org/rnarticles.htm and the phrase "or shall not do his utmost to take or destroy every ship which it shall be his duty to engage"  - I think fair fights are illegal if unfair advantages are to be had.
> 
The quote probably not actually said by Patton, "A soldier's job isn't 
to die for his country, its to make the other guy die for his country." 
would seem to apply.  :)

-- 
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation 
instinct are running screaming.

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#491478

On Tue, 1 May 2018 15:34:07 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 5/1/2018 12:10 PM, mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 4:49:37 PM UTC+1, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>> news:p81AwD.1B6M@kithrup.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsA8D4D201099C5taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
>>>> Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:k1efed9btdsnjfmaphtja37monaa9pfm7t@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm waiting for Nimitz to learn how to handle a starship.  After
>>>>>> all he's been picking the brain of the most capable military
>>>>>> commander in the universe for decades.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Weber finally introduce Captain Kirk to the Honorverse?
>>>>>
>>>> Astrid Anderson (now Bear) and I once wrote a fanfic linking Star
>>>> Trek TOS to the Lensmen.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I
>>>> don't have it any more.  Three moves equal one fire.
>>>>
>>> I once proposed, in the David Weber fan group, that if Kirk and
>>> Harrington ever met, not only would he kick her ass, but she'd like
>>> and they'd end up in bed together. I was disappointed in the small
>>> number of death threats I got.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Terry Austin
>>>
>>> Vacation photos from Iceland:
>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
>>>
>>> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>>>      -- David Bilek
>>>
>>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
>> 
>> My impression of Kirk is that he tends to lose fair fights against opponents with a superhuman edge, which would include Harrington's genetic engineering. He does tend to get the girl, though, and when push comes to shove you tend to find out that Kirk has found a way to arrange for something other than a fair fight.
>> 
>> PS - thinking of Admiral Byng and the 12th Article of War from https://www.hmsrichmond.org/rnarticles.htm and the phrase "or shall not do his utmost to take or destroy every ship which it shall be his duty to engage"  - I think fair fights are illegal if unfair advantages are to be had.
>> 
>The quote probably not actually said by Patton, "A soldier's job isn't 
>to die for his country, its to make the other guy die for his country." 
>would seem to apply.  :)

There's reason to believe that he said some variation of it on more
than one occasion.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/04/24/war/

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#491488

On 5/1/2018 4:53 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 1 May 2018 15:34:07 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/1/2018 12:10 PM, mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 4:49:37 PM UTC+1, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>> news:p81AwD.1B6M@kithrup.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsA8D4D201099C5taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
>>>>> Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:k1efed9btdsnjfmaphtja37monaa9pfm7t@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm waiting for Nimitz to learn how to handle a starship.  After
>>>>>>> all he's been picking the brain of the most capable military
>>>>>>> commander in the universe for decades.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Weber finally introduce Captain Kirk to the Honorverse?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Astrid Anderson (now Bear) and I once wrote a fanfic linking Star
>>>>> Trek TOS to the Lensmen.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I
>>>>> don't have it any more.  Three moves equal one fire.
>>>>>
>>>> I once proposed, in the David Weber fan group, that if Kirk and
>>>> Harrington ever met, not only would he kick her ass, but she'd like
>>>> and they'd end up in bed together. I was disappointed in the small
>>>> number of death threats I got.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Terry Austin
>>>>
>>>> Vacation photos from Iceland:
>>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
>>>>
>>>> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>>>>       -- David Bilek
>>>>
>>>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
>>>
>>> My impression of Kirk is that he tends to lose fair fights against opponents with a superhuman edge, which would include Harrington's genetic engineering. He does tend to get the girl, though, and when push comes to shove you tend to find out that Kirk has found a way to arrange for something other than a fair fight.
>>>
>>> PS - thinking of Admiral Byng and the 12th Article of War from https://www.hmsrichmond.org/rnarticles.htm and the phrase "or shall not do his utmost to take or destroy every ship which it shall be his duty to engage"  - I think fair fights are illegal if unfair advantages are to be had.
>>>
>> The quote probably not actually said by Patton, "A soldier's job isn't
>> to die for his country, its to make the other guy die for his country."
>> would seem to apply.  :)
> 
> There's reason to believe that he said some variation of it on more
> than one occasion.
> 
> https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/04/24/war/
> 
Interesting.  Thank you for that.

-- 
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation 
instinct are running screaming.

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#491477

On Tue, 1 May 2018 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT), mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 4:49:37 PM UTC+1, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in 
>> news:p81AwD.1B6M@kithrup.com:
>> 
>> > In article <XnsA8D4D201099C5taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
>> > Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >>news:k1efed9btdsnjfmaphtja37monaa9pfm7t@4ax.com: 
>> >>
>> >>> I'm waiting for Nimitz to learn how to handle a starship.  After
>> >>> all he's been picking the brain of the most capable military
>> >>> commander in the universe for decades.
>> >>> 
>> >>Weber finally introduce Captain Kirk to the Honorverse?
>> >>
>> > Astrid Anderson (now Bear) and I once wrote a fanfic linking Star
>> > Trek TOS to the Lensmen.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I
>> > don't have it any more.  Three moves equal one fire.
>> > 
>> I once proposed, in the David Weber fan group, that if Kirk and 
>> Harrington ever met, not only would he kick her ass, but she'd like 
>> and they'd end up in bed together. I was disappointed in the small 
>> number of death threats I got.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Terry Austin
>> 
>> Vacation photos from Iceland: 
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
>> 
>> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>>     -- David Bilek
>> 
>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
>
>My impression of Kirk is that he tends to lose fair fights against opponents with a superhuman edge, which would include Harrington's genetic engineering. He does tend to get the girl, though, and when push comes to shove you tend to find out that Kirk has found a way to arrange for something other than a fair fight.

So basically she'd kick his ass and they'd _still_ end up in bed
together.

>PS - thinking of Admiral Byng and the 12th Article of War from https://www.hmsrichmond.org/rnarticles.htm and the phrase "or shall not do his utmost to take or destroy every ship which it shall be his duty to engage"  - I think fair fights are illegal if unfair advantages are to be had.

But Harrington knows dirty tricks that Kirk hasn't even dreamed of.
After all, she's been at war for longer than Kirk's been alive.

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#491487

On 5/1/2018 4:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 1 May 2018 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT), mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote:
> 
>> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 4:49:37 PM UTC+1, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>> news:p81AwD.1B6M@kithrup.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsA8D4D201099C5taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
>>>> Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:k1efed9btdsnjfmaphtja37monaa9pfm7t@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm waiting for Nimitz to learn how to handle a starship.  After
>>>>>> all he's been picking the brain of the most capable military
>>>>>> commander in the universe for decades.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Weber finally introduce Captain Kirk to the Honorverse?
>>>>>
>>>> Astrid Anderson (now Bear) and I once wrote a fanfic linking Star
>>>> Trek TOS to the Lensmen.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I
>>>> don't have it any more.  Three moves equal one fire.
>>>>
>>> I once proposed, in the David Weber fan group, that if Kirk and
>>> Harrington ever met, not only would he kick her ass, but she'd like
>>> and they'd end up in bed together. I was disappointed in the small
>>> number of death threats I got.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Terry Austin
>>>
>>> Vacation photos from Iceland:
>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
>>>
>>> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>>>      -- David Bilek
>>>
>>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
>>
>> My impression of Kirk is that he tends to lose fair fights against opponents with a superhuman edge, which would include Harrington's genetic engineering. He does tend to get the girl, though, and when push comes to shove you tend to find out that Kirk has found a way to arrange for something other than a fair fight.
> 
> So basically she'd kick his ass and they'd _still_ end up in bed
> together.
> 
>> PS - thinking of Admiral Byng and the 12th Article of War from https://www.hmsrichmond.org/rnarticles.htm and the phrase "or shall not do his utmost to take or destroy every ship which it shall be his duty to engage"  - I think fair fights are illegal if unfair advantages are to be had.
> 
> But Harrington knows dirty tricks that Kirk hasn't even dreamed of.
> After all, she's been at war for longer than Kirk's been alive.
> 
But Kirk cheats.  :)

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instinct are running screaming.

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