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  "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 16:56 -0500
    Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-08 22:16 +0000
      Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-09 00:10 +0000
        Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 20:40 -0400
          Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 20:22 -0500
            Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-08 19:23 -0700
          Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-09 02:28 +0000
          Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-08 21:19 -0700
    Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-08 15:32 -0700
    Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-09 01:02 +0000
      Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-09 01:22 +0000
    Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 05:01 +0300
    Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-09 00:15 -0700
    Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 06:56 -0700
      Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-09 08:30 -0700
        Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-09 15:56 +0000
    Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2018-04-09 13:50 -0400
    Re: "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels" "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-09 21:57 +0000

#489878 — "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"

"21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
    https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/

And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.

Lynn

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#489882

In article <pae363$fhk$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>"21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>    https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
>
>And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.
>
>Lynn

I haven't read most, but:

	"Bitch Planet" -- My only memory is a lot of the women got naked.
	And a couple found happiness falling into a black hole.

	"RASL" -- I have this but havn't gotten to it yet.  I'm prepared
	to believe it is pretty good as the same author's "Bone" was
	a lot of fun.

	"Tank Girl" -- My memory is that the initial comic was somewhat
	amusing, but everything after that (which this would be) was dire.

	"Ronin" -- I read this when it came out, right after Miller's epic
	run on "Daredevil" and was way underwhelmed.  It's possible I
	would appreciate it more now, but I'll probably never get back to it.

	"V For Vendetta" -- Sure it's Moore, but it's kind of typical English
	lefty "Facism is right around the corner!" stuff.  If you don't
	believe that, it doesn't work very well.

Hmm.  No "Girl Genius", no "Schlock Mercenary", no "Drive" etc.


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#489889

In article <fivim0Ft0u1U1@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>In article <pae363$fhk$1@dont-email.me>,
>Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>"21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>>    https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
>>
>>And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.
>>
>>Lynn
>
>I haven't read most, but:
>
>	"Bitch Planet" -- My only memory is a lot of the women got naked.
>	And a couple found happiness falling into a black hole.
>
>	"RASL" -- I have this but havn't gotten to it yet.  I'm prepared
>	to believe it is pretty good as the same author's "Bone" was
>	a lot of fun.
>
>	"Tank Girl" -- My memory is that the initial comic was somewhat
>	amusing, but everything after that (which this would be) was dire.
>
>	"Ronin" -- I read this when it came out, right after Miller's epic
>	run on "Daredevil" and was way underwhelmed.  It's possible I
>	would appreciate it more now, but I'll probably never get back to it.
>
>	"V For Vendetta" -- Sure it's Moore, but it's kind of typical English
>	lefty "Facism is right around the corner!" stuff.  If you don't
>	believe that, it doesn't work very well.
>
>Hmm.  No "Girl Genius", no "Schlock Mercenary", no "Drive" etc.

Not even "Barbarella."

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#489890

On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 00:10:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

>In article <fivim0Ft0u1U1@mid.individual.net>,
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>In article <pae363$fhk$1@dont-email.me>,
>>Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>"21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>>>    https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
>>>
>>>And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.
>>>
>>>Lynn
>>
>>I haven't read most, but:
>>
>>	"Bitch Planet" -- My only memory is a lot of the women got naked.
>>	And a couple found happiness falling into a black hole.
>>
>>	"RASL" -- I have this but havn't gotten to it yet.  I'm prepared
>>	to believe it is pretty good as the same author's "Bone" was
>>	a lot of fun.
>>
>>	"Tank Girl" -- My memory is that the initial comic was somewhat
>>	amusing, but everything after that (which this would be) was dire.
>>
>>	"Ronin" -- I read this when it came out, right after Miller's epic
>>	run on "Daredevil" and was way underwhelmed.  It's possible I
>>	would appreciate it more now, but I'll probably never get back to it.
>>
>>	"V For Vendetta" -- Sure it's Moore, but it's kind of typical English
>>	lefty "Facism is right around the corner!" stuff.  If you don't
>>	believe that, it doesn't work very well.
>>
>>Hmm.  No "Girl Genius", no "Schlock Mercenary", no "Drive" etc.
>
>Not even "Barbarella."

I did not until this moment realize that Barbarella was based on a
comic.  That explains a great deal.

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#489896

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in 
news:gjdlcdloeliflakbf3kj5g7fpqbn1c9cpc@4ax.com:

>>
>>Not even "Barbarella."
> 
> I did not until this moment realize that Barbarella was based on a
> comic.  That explains a great deal.
> 

A French comic, filmed by Dino de Laurentis in 1968, at that.

pt

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#489899

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 9:22:44 PM UTC-4, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in 
> news:gjdlcdloeliflakbf3kj5g7fpqbn1c9cpc@4ax.com:
> 
> >>
> >>Not even "Barbarella."
> > 
> > I did not until this moment realize that Barbarella was based on a
> > comic.  That explains a great deal.
> > 
> 
> A French comic, filmed by Dino de Laurentis in 1968, at that.
> 
>

Barbarella was a collection of comic strips (no pun intended) 
or bandes dessinées, as the French would say.

Novels can be serialized, as SF readers know, having read many
published that way on the magazines.  Many strip collections 
are sold as "graphic novels" that were never originally meant
to be read as collected - sort of like a "fixup novel."  Other
stories told by cartooning were meant to fit in one volume, but
how long they could be was limited by commercial considerations.
They might better be thought of as novelettes or novellas,
especially when compared with, let us say, Dave Sim's CEREBUS
THE AARDVARK.

The development of the expressly limited comics series, with a
collection of all the chapters into a convenient volume or
series of volumes, once the commercial viability of that form
was proven, changed the game a bit. 

I don't care for calling any collection of strips or single
episodes from comic books "graphic novels," unless they were
planned continued stories.  "Arcs" in a series could be considered
discreet novels, much as releases of sequels in prose fiction
are, planned that way, or not.

Kevin R

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#489900

In article <gjdlcdloeliflakbf3kj5g7fpqbn1c9cpc@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke  <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 00:10:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <fivim0Ft0u1U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>In article <pae363$fhk$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>"21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>>>>    https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
>>>>
>>>>And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.
>>>>
>>>>Lynn
>>>
>>>I haven't read most, but:
>>>
>>>	"Bitch Planet" -- My only memory is a lot of the women got naked.
>>>	And a couple found happiness falling into a black hole.
>>>
>>>	"RASL" -- I have this but havn't gotten to it yet.  I'm prepared
>>>	to believe it is pretty good as the same author's "Bone" was
>>>	a lot of fun.
>>>
>>>	"Tank Girl" -- My memory is that the initial comic was somewhat
>>>	amusing, but everything after that (which this would be) was dire.
>>>
>>>	"Ronin" -- I read this when it came out, right after Miller's epic
>>>	run on "Daredevil" and was way underwhelmed.  It's possible I
>>>	would appreciate it more now, but I'll probably never get back to it.
>>>
>>>	"V For Vendetta" -- Sure it's Moore, but it's kind of typical English
>>>	lefty "Facism is right around the corner!" stuff.  If you don't
>>>	believe that, it doesn't work very well.
>>>
>>>Hmm.  No "Girl Genius", no "Schlock Mercenary", no "Drive" etc.
>>
>>Not even "Barbarella."
>
>I did not until this moment realize that Barbarella was based on a
>comic.  That explains a great deal.

Oh, yes.  The original (whereof I have a copy) is in French; and
-- all things considered -- the movie kept closer to the graphic
novel than one would have had any reason to expect.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#489904

On 4/8/2018 5:40 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 00:10:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
> wrote:
> 
>> In article <fivim0Ft0u1U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>> In article <pae363$fhk$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>>>>     https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
>>>>
>>>> And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> I haven't read most, but:
>>>
>>> 	"Bitch Planet" -- My only memory is a lot of the women got naked.
>>> 	And a couple found happiness falling into a black hole.
>>>
>>> 	"RASL" -- I have this but havn't gotten to it yet.  I'm prepared
>>> 	to believe it is pretty good as the same author's "Bone" was
>>> 	a lot of fun.
>>>
>>> 	"Tank Girl" -- My memory is that the initial comic was somewhat
>>> 	amusing, but everything after that (which this would be) was dire.
>>>
>>> 	"Ronin" -- I read this when it came out, right after Miller's epic
>>> 	run on "Daredevil" and was way underwhelmed.  It's possible I
>>> 	would appreciate it more now, but I'll probably never get back to it.
>>>
>>> 	"V For Vendetta" -- Sure it's Moore, but it's kind of typical English
>>> 	lefty "Facism is right around the corner!" stuff.  If you don't
>>> 	believe that, it doesn't work very well.
>>>
>>> Hmm.  No "Girl Genius", no "Schlock Mercenary", no "Drive" etc.
>>
>> Not even "Barbarella."
> 
> I did not until this moment realize that Barbarella was based on a
> comic.  That explains a great deal.
> 
A French comic at that.

-- 
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation 
instinct are running screaming.

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#489883

On Sunday, 8 April 2018 22:56:21 UTC+1, Lynn McGuire  wrote:
> "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>     https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
> 
> And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.
> 
> Lynn

I read _Transmetropolitan_, _We3_, and _Orbiter_, but I don't
quite recall what exactly happened in any of them.

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#489892

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>    https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
>
> And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.
>

A zero read here too. Here's the graphic novels in my collection,
loosely ranked by their sfnal content:

_The City on the Edge of Forever_ (Ellison)
_Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?_ (PKD)
_The Probability Broach_ (Smith)
_Hamlet_ (Shakespeare)
_Romeo & Juliet_ (Shakespeare)

Thank you,

--
Don

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#489895

D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>>    https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
>>
>> And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.
>>
>
> A zero read here too. Here's the graphic novels in my collection,
> loosely ranked by their sfnal content:
>
> _The City on the Edge of Forever_ (Ellison)
> _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?_ (PKD)
> _The Probability Broach_ (Smith)
> _Hamlet_ (Shakespeare)
> _Romeo & Juliet_ (Shakespeare)

Oh yeah. There's _Serenity_ (Whedon) too. The Smith counts because it
says that it's a graphic novel right on the cover page. But, what about
_Modesty Blaise_ (O'Donnell and Holdaway)?

Thank you,

--
Don

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#489898

In article <pae363$fhk$1@dont-email.me>, lynnmcguire5@gmail.com says...
> 
> "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>     https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
> 
> And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.

Five, or maybe four and a half. A few I've been meaning to read, and 
plenty of stuff I hadn't even heard of before.

-- 
Juho Julkunen

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#489908

Lynn McGuire wrote:
> 
> "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>     https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
> 
> And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.
> 
> Lynn


i never read a science fiction novel..


i also never seen a flying saucer...

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#489915

Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>     https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
> 
> And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.

Four of the recommended:
Le Garage Hermetique (or, my version, The Airtight Garage), Nausicaa, Planetes, and 2001 Nights.

Hmm... do I have something against English-language sf comics?  The ones I have read aren't very?

Astronauts in Trouble: Live from the Moon by Larry Young and Charlie Adlard - more an action movie than science fiction, or even technothriller -if I can define technothriller as attempting to get technical details right- so the ending comes as a letdown.

Galaxion by Tara Tallan - Actually, fairly good, but I've only seen the first volume.

Sculptor by Scott McCloud - Well, a fantasy, but a good one.

Leaving out collections of Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers strips, I have "Demon with a Glass Hand" and "Nightwings", which I don't see having needed adaptation to comics (I think Marvel's "John Carter: Warlord of Mars" did an adaptation of an ERB short story for an annual, I'd have to check.)  I'm assuming the list eliminates super-heroes somehow, or Watchmen would still be #1.

-- 
-Jack

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#489921

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 9:56:39 AM UTC-4, Jack Bohn wrote:
> Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
> >     https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
> > 
> > And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.
> 
> Four of the recommended:
> Le Garage Hermetique (or, my version, The Airtight Garage), Nausicaa, Planetes, and 2001 Nights.
> 
> Hmm... do I have something against English-language sf comics?  The ones I have read aren't very?
> 
> Astronauts in Trouble: Live from the Moon by Larry Young and Charlie Adlard - more an action movie than science fiction, or even technothriller -if I can define technothriller as attempting to get technical details right- so the ending comes as a letdown.
> 
> Galaxion by Tara Tallan - Actually, fairly good, but I've only seen the first volume.
> 
> Sculptor by Scott McCloud - Well, a fantasy, but a good one.
> 
> Leaving out collections of Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers strips, I have "Demon with a Glass Hand" and "Nightwings", which I don't see having needed adaptation to comics (I think Marvel's "John Carter: Warlord of Mars" did an adaptation of an ERB short story for an annual, I'd have to check.)  I'm assuming the list eliminates super-heroes somehow, or Watchmen would still be #1.


Walt Simonson's "STAR SLAMMERS" started out as a fan project connected
to a bid for a Worldcon (Discon II. 1974,)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Slammers

I'm not claiming it is one of the best, but it was an early attempt,
and I love Simonson's art.

[quote]

After graduating from Amherst with a degree in Geology, Simonson took a 
year off, and then enrolled as an art major at the Rhode Island School 
of Design, graduating in 1972. His thesis project there was the 50-
page black and white book The Star Slammers, which took him two years 
to write, pencil, letter and ink himself, and was published as a sort 
of ashcan promotional comic book for the 1974 World Science Fiction 
Convention in Washington, D.C. (DisCon II). Simonson would later 
revisit Star Slammers throughout his career, publishing it through 
various publishers over the decades.

[/quote] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Simonson#Early_life

Anybody remember Gil Kane's Sword & Sorcery hero, BLACKMARK,
published in Bantam paperbacks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmark

Kevin R

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#489922

In article <7a91316b-b4b8-4ba0-8afe-437fcd9fc323@googlegroups.com>,
Kevrob  <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>Anybody remember Gil Kane's Sword & Sorcery hero, BLACKMARK,
>published in Bantam paperbacks?
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmark
>

I had a copy though I can't remember much about it.

I think I recall the mmpb b&w format did not serve the art well.
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#489935

On 4/8/2018 5:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
>     https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
> 
> And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.
> 
> Lynn

I have read 13 of those.  I would recommend 
Planetes,Akira,Nausicaä,We3,The Incal, and The Ghost in the Shell to 
anyone interested in good graphic novels.

Planetes  Hard SF space garbage collectors with dreams.

Akira  Sometimes being a psychic superman is not all it's cracked up to be.

Nausicaä  The environment matters. Humans are their own worse enemies. 
I hope you like bugs.

We3  Industrial strength emotional manipulation.

The Incal  Stuff happens then other stuff happens,it just might be related.


The Ghost in the Shell  Cyberpunk CyberPunk  CYBERPUNK   Fun story and 
great art from before an earthquake broke the author's mind.

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#489955

Lynn McGuire wrote:

> "21 Best Science Fiction Graphic Novels"
> 
> https://best-sci-fi-books.com/21-best-science-fiction-graphic-novels/
> 
> And I am zero read here and not much interest in this category.

I've read none of these, although I have heard of some. There are only
a few I've read, "Middleman" and "A Boy and his Dog" come to mind.


Brian

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