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| Started by | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-03-09 19:24 -0800 |
| Last post | 2018-03-27 21:38 -0700 |
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Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 19:24 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 21:31 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 20:25 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2018-03-10 20:00 +1100
Re: Multi-system democracy J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 07:06 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-10 08:27 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-11 05:58 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 13:56 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Stephen Harker <sjharker@netspace.net.au> - 2018-03-11 07:34 +1100
Re: Multi-system democracy larry <ljmoore@wightman.ca> - 2018-03-11 00:09 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 12:13 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 22:17 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-26 22:53 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 21:41 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 23:29 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 12:53 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 23:40 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2018-03-10 17:25 +0100
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 12:21 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-10 10:34 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-10 12:54 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-10 15:43 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-10 13:03 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-10 20:42 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-10 08:43 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 23:03 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 13:05 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-03-11 00:02 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 12:03 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 11:50 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 18:05 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 18:31 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-10 20:45 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-11 05:13 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 22:04 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 12:19 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 03:04 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-11 06:25 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 14:26 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 17:16 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-12 15:23 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 20:41 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-13 04:51 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-12 16:51 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 16:27 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-12 17:32 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 20:44 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-12 21:34 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 18:45 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-15 23:24 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 20:58 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-13 00:55 +0200
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-12 17:08 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 16:29 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Erik Trulsson <erikt@Update.UU.SE> - 2018-03-14 10:06 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:55 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 09:11 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-14 08:11 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 09:13 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-14 09:04 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 09:13 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-14 09:51 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 10:11 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-14 20:16 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-15 13:52 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-15 22:20 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-15 15:34 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 09:10 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-14 15:38 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-12 20:09 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-12 21:41 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-03-12 23:11 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 16:30 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 21:56 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-12 20:13 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 23:16 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-03-13 03:18 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:10 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-13 10:27 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-13 11:17 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-13 14:05 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 23:22 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-14 10:41 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-03-14 22:32 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-14 15:48 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2018-03-15 16:31 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 13:50 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 20:24 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-13 18:30 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-19 20:18 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 07:12 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 20:52 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Erik Trulsson <erikt@Update.UU.SE> - 2018-03-14 10:04 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 07:34 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 19:45 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-10 22:30 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 22:06 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-11 13:56 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Erik Trulsson <erikt@Update.UU.SE> - 2018-03-12 09:29 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2018-03-12 21:47 +1100
Re: Multi-system democracy larry <ljmoore@wightman.ca> - 2018-03-20 21:25 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-11 01:54 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 12:14 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-09 21:51 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 21:57 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-09 23:57 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-10 02:17 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 01:47 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-10 12:44 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy peterwezeman@hotmail.com - 2018-03-10 22:27 -0800
Re: Multi-system democracy ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-11 17:53 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 22:31 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-27 00:41 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 06:27 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 06:48 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 06:54 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-27 07:33 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-28 06:48 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-28 07:00 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 14:15 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-28 11:38 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 15:23 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com> - 2018-03-28 13:47 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 14:22 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com> - 2018-03-28 14:31 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-29 07:54 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-29 16:33 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 16:14 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-29 20:42 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:01 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:17 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy David Duffy <davidD@qimr.edu.au> - 2018-04-03 22:24 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-30 03:07 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-03-30 21:47 +1100
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-30 06:43 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-30 13:02 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-30 13:11 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-30 16:34 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 15:44 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-30 21:54 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-03 15:59 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-27 05:38 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 19:53 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-27 20:15 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-27 22:12 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-28 05:17 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-28 10:44 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-28 12:00 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-28 11:52 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-28 12:31 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 21:44 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-03-28 15:48 +1100
Re: Multi-system democracy Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 20:26 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-31 04:00 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-30 22:58 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-30 22:40 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 02:41 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-31 14:49 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-31 15:24 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-31 13:30 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-31 15:26 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-31 15:30 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-31 16:19 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 12:42 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-31 19:04 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:15 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-01 03:59 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:12 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-02 20:16 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-03 22:48 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2018-04-01 00:04 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 11:29 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-03 22:47 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 02:45 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 01:07 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-06 08:46 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 10:06 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 10:15 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-06 10:33 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 10:56 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 21:44 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 06:17 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 10:53 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-06 10:30 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 11:01 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2018-04-06 11:56 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-06 12:34 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 15:51 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-06 13:24 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Stephen Harker <sjharker@netspace.net.au> - 2018-04-07 08:18 +1000
Re: Multi-system democracy wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-07 01:23 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Stephen Harker <sjharker@netspace.net.au> - 2018-04-07 12:47 +1000
Re: Multi-system democracy Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2018-04-06 11:19 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-04 00:56 -0600
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 03:46 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2018-04-04 07:52 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 11:38 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-04 16:19 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 14:53 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-04 11:58 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 15:02 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-04 12:37 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-04 21:50 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-05 04:34 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-05 08:44 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-07 01:20 -0500
Re: Multi-system democracy larry <ljmoore@wightman.ca> - 2018-04-07 16:59 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-07 14:20 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy larry <ljmoore@wightman.ca> - 2018-04-07 22:03 +0000
Re: Multi-system democracy Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 00:14 -0400
Re: Multi-system democracy Stephen Harker <sjharker@netspace.net.au> - 2018-04-08 07:29 +1000
Re: Multi-system democracy Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-07 15:19 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 21:03 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-05 08:47 -0700
Re: Multi-system democracy The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 21:38 -0700
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-03 15:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pa0q0d$6n1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #489434 |
On 3/30/2018 3:02 PM, Moriarty wrote:
> On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 9:48:30 PM UTC+11, Paul Colquhoun wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I don't think voting makes sense for anything above the planetary level,
>> for just these reasons.
>>
>> Have the population vote for the planetary government, then have the
>> government appoint their representative to the Sector Council (or
>> whatever it's called) just like our current national governments appoint
>> their UN representatives and their ambassadors. Or have it as a separate
>> elected position, but you probably really want this to be someone with
>> extensive diplomatic experience.
>>
>> Then the Sector reps select their representative for the next higher
>> level, etc.
>
> Isn't that more or less how it worked in the Star Wars prequels? That inflicted Senator Jar-Jar Binks on the galaxy and look at how well that worked out.
>
> -Moriarty
Disney has yet to expose Darth Jar-Jar.
http://darthjarjar.com/
and
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/star-wars-the-darth-jar-jar-binks-theory-is-partially-true-says-actor-a6923351.html
Lynn
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 05:38 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <fhuoqeFhfrkU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #489152 |
Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote: >On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 9:24:59 PM UTC-6, The Zygon wrote: >For comparison, imagine the whole Earth today was governed as a democratic >republic along, for convenience, American lines. So, 7.6 billion people. > >If the legislature has roughly the same population ratio as the U.S. House of >Representatives, that's _11,000_ members of the ruling body. A >legislature the size of a small town. If you use a 435 member body, >then each member represents, on average, 17 million people. The US and most of the world's large democracies are a two-layer democracy. You have states that have certain responsibilities, and you have the Feds with other responsibilities. So you layer a third step above that with a division between Imperial and Federal responsibilities. (Imperial is the word that came to me, but in my mind, an "emperor" is optional in this conjecture.) A fourth layer may be necessary with each system a "state" in the over-empire. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 19:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <940c8aff-14d9-4320-bf31-8b971814b33e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #489161 |
On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:38:58 AM UTC-5, Greg Goss wrote: > Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote: > > >On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 9:24:59 PM UTC-6, The Zygon wrote: > > >For comparison, imagine the whole Earth today was governed as a democratic > >republic along, for convenience, American lines. So, 7.6 billion people. > > > >If the legislature has roughly the same population ratio as the U.S. House of > > >Representatives, that's _11,000_ members of the ruling body. A > >legislature the size of a small town. If you use a 435 member body, > >then each member represents, on average, 17 million people. > > The US and most of the world's large democracies are a two-layer > democracy. You have states that have certain responsibilities, and > you have the Feds with other responsibilities. > > So you layer a third step above that with a division between Imperial > and Federal responsibilities. (Imperial is the word that came to me, > but in my mind, an "emperor" is optional in this conjecture.) > > A fourth layer may be necessary with each system a "state" in the > over-empire. No doubt. China already hints at what sort of things might be necessary as populations and territories increase, their government is elaborately multi-tiered already. But the scale problem comes in through theh window if you lock the door. Imagine the Galactic Union a few thousands years from now, to a citizen living on Earth: he might live in the municipality of Paris, which is part of the District of France, which is part of the European Region, which is part of the Terran Planetary Government, which is part of Sector 3923, which also contains a few hundred other worlds. Then he's also part of Oversector 20, which contains a few hundred Sectors. Above that is the Galactic Quadrant, which has hundreds of Oversectors and millions of worlds, and finally at the top whatever passes for the central state. This is an issue whether we're talking about nested fiefdoms or democratic polities. If there are 100,000 Galactic Grand Duchies, odds are theh Emperor will never even _meet_ all of his high nobles, much less interact with them in any meaningful way. But even 100,000 Galactic Duchies might still individually contain many hundreds of _worlds_, each potentially with billions of people. The scale problem is there one way or another.
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 20:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <836cc951-4564-4414-8647-84ee6c826373@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #489220 |
On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 10:53:20 PM UTC-4, Johnny1A wrote: >....which is part of the Terran Planetary Government, which is part of > Sector 3923, which also contains a few hundred other worlds. Sector 2814, if you please! Kevin R
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 22:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <p9f87i$dph$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #489222 |
On 3/27/2018 8:15 PM, Kevrob wrote: > On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 10:53:20 PM UTC-4, Johnny1A wrote: > >> ....which is part of the Terran Planetary Government, which is part of >> Sector 3923, which also contains a few hundred other worlds. > > Sector 2814, if you please! > What is I don't please? -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 05:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fi0ms3F777U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #489241 |
In article <p9f87i$dph$2@dont-email.me>, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >On 3/27/2018 8:15 PM, Kevrob wrote: >> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 10:53:20 PM UTC-4, Johnny1A wrote: >> >>> ....which is part of the Terran Planetary Government, which is part of >>> Sector 3923, which also contains a few hundred other worlds. >> >> Sector 2814, if you please! >> >What is I don't please? > > Better have a yellow getaway ship.. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 10:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <p9gk9n$536$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #489243 |
On 3/27/2018 10:17 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: > In article <p9f87i$dph$2@dont-email.me>, > Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >> On 3/27/2018 8:15 PM, Kevrob wrote: >>> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 10:53:20 PM UTC-4, Johnny1A wrote: >>> >>>> ....which is part of the Terran Planetary Government, which is part of >>>> Sector 3923, which also contains a few hundred other worlds. >>> >>> Sector 2814, if you please! >>> >> What is I don't please? > > Better have a yellow getaway ship.. > I'm sensing a "Whoosh" here but why yellow? -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 12:00 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <p9gl8b$1j2f$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #489288 |
On 2018-03-28 11:44 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote: > On 3/27/2018 10:17 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >> In article <p9f87i$dph$2@dont-email.me>, >> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >>> On 3/27/2018 8:15 PM, Kevrob wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 10:53:20 PM UTC-4, Johnny1A wrote: >>>> >>>>> ....which is part of the Terran Planetary Government, which is part of >>>>> Sector 3923, which also contains a few hundred other worlds. >>>> >>>> Sector 2814, if you please! >>>> >>> What is I don't please? >> >> Better have a yellow getaway ship.. >> > I'm sensing a "Whoosh" here but why yellow? > Green Lantern is the Green Lantern of Sector 2814. In a sense the Green Lanterns are an iteration of the scale issue. The Green Lanterns are fantastically powerful space police partly inspired by the Lensmen but objectively speaking they make no noticeable impact because each of them has a beat that is simply too large to effectively cover even for a person who flies around at faster than light speeds and has power only slightly inferior to Superman, so crimes and interstellar invasions are happening all over the place just based on how unlikely it is that the Green Lantern will even be there instead of somewhere else.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 11:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a90c0dde-3ec8-49de-95c1-59e803fea62a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #489222 |
On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 9:15:30 PM UTC-6, Kevrob wrote: > On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 10:53:20 PM UTC-4, Johnny1A wrote: > >....which is part of the Terran Planetary Government, which is part of > > Sector 3923, which also contains a few hundred other worlds. > Sector 2814, if you please! Ah, yes, since there are only 3600 sectors. Perhaps the Universe, if Riemannian, is cut up along the lines of a 120-cell; then each dodecahedron is cut into five pentagonal pyramids, each pentagonal pyramid into five pieces - and then the two such pieces that have a face in common from adjacent dodecahedra are joined together to reduce the number of sectors from 7200 to 3600. Mind you, while the Guardians created the Green Lantern Corps, as far as I know they hadn't introduced a universal government. John Savard
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 12:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2541a313-80e1-4f07-920a-97ee2c6ba4ca@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #489305 |
On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 2:52:17 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote: > On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 9:15:30 PM UTC-6, Kevrob wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 10:53:20 PM UTC-4, Johnny1A wrote: > > > >....which is part of the Terran Planetary Government, which is part of > > > Sector 3923, which also contains a few hundred other worlds. > > > Sector 2814, if you please! > > Ah, yes, since there are only 3600 sectors. Perhaps the Universe, if Riemannian, > is cut up along the lines of a 120-cell; then each dodecahedron is cut into five > pentagonal pyramids, each pentagonal pyramid into five pieces - and then the two > such pieces that have a face in common from adjacent dodecahedra are joined > together to reduce the number of sectors from 7200 to 3600. > > Mind you, while the Guardians created the Green Lantern Corps, as far as I know > they hadn't introduced a universal government. > The 3600 sectors were supposed to be in the Milky Way Galaxy. They should really be the "Guardians of the Galaxy," but "Universe" is grander. BTW, the GotU appeared first, taller, and without the Corps, in the Captain Comet strip in STRANGE ADVENTURES, v1 #22 https://www.comics.org/issue/9757/ John Broome, writing as "Edgar Ray Merritt" "Guardians of the Clockwork Universe." Adam (Captain Comet) Blake was like a cross between Captain Future and Superman, without the loyal crew, and more centered on mental power than physical. First appearance in 1951: a "Silver Age" hero born too early, while the "Golden Age" of comics was dying. He was a "mutant hero" a decade before Prof X and his students. Kevin R
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| From | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 21:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0b8dc441-6692-47fc-9fa4-331b043f739c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #489161 |
On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 7:38:58 AM UTC-4, Greg Goss wrote: > Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote: > > >On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 9:24:59 PM UTC-6, The Zygon wrote: > > >For comparison, imagine the whole Earth today was governed as a democratic > >republic along, for convenience, American lines. So, 7.6 billion people. > > > >If the legislature has roughly the same population ratio as the U.S. House of > > >Representatives, that's _11,000_ members of the ruling body. A > >legislature the size of a small town. If you use a 435 member body, > >then each member represents, on average, 17 million people. > > The US and most of the world's large democracies are a two-layer > democracy. You have states that have certain responsibilities, and > you have the Feds with other responsibilities. > > So you layer a third step above that with a division between Imperial > and Federal responsibilities. (Imperial is the word that came to me, > but in my mind, an "emperor" is optional in this conjecture.) > > A fourth layer may be necessary with each system a "state" in the > over-empire. > -- > We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current. You don't need a fourth layer. The federal layer is equivalent to the imperial layer.
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| From | Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 15:48 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <slrnpbm7l1.t39.newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> |
| In reply to | #489161 |
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 05:38:10 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
| Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote:
|
|>On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 9:24:59 PM UTC-6, The Zygon wrote:
|
|>For comparison, imagine the whole Earth today was governed as a democratic
|>republic along, for convenience, American lines. So, 7.6 billion people.
|>
|>If the legislature has roughly the same population ratio as the U.S. House of
|
|>Representatives, that's _11,000_ members of the ruling body. A
|>legislature the size of a small town. If you use a 435 member body,
|>then each member represents, on average, 17 million people.
|
| The US and most of the world's large democracies are a two-layer
| democracy. You have states that have certain responsibilities, and
| you have the Feds with other responsibilities.
|
| So you layer a third step above that with a division between Imperial
| and Federal responsibilities. (Imperial is the word that came to me,
| but in my mind, an "emperor" is optional in this conjecture.)
|
| A fourth layer may be necessary with each system a "state" in the
| over-empire.
But, given the probable disparate natures of all these worlds, the
purpose of the upper layers would be primarily that of peacemaker,
arbitrator or such like.
Set broad policy, like mandating representative democracy on a planetary
level, banning interstellar warfare and piracy, setting galactic tax
rates, and running the Galactic Patrol to enforce this stuff.
All the fiddly bits like land zoning, drivers licenses, etc, would be
left to the planetary level or lower.
I would expect a single, galactic constitution spelling out the broad
principles, and how the delegation system works, then leave it up to the
lower layers to run things.
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, ULC. http://andor.dropbear.id.au/
Asking for technical help in newsgroups? Read this first:
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
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| From | Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-30 20:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c0cdd34e-eb79-4f40-bb9d-16bc82de7776@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #489228 |
On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 11:48:28 PM UTC-5, Paul Colquhoun wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 05:38:10 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: > | Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote: > | > |>On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 9:24:59 PM UTC-6, The Zygon wrote: > | > |>For comparison, imagine the whole Earth today was governed as a democratic > |>republic along, for convenience, American lines. So, 7.6 billion people. > |> > |>If the legislature has roughly the same population ratio as the U.S. House of > | > |>Representatives, that's _11,000_ members of the ruling body. A > |>legislature the size of a small town. If you use a 435 member body, > |>then each member represents, on average, 17 million people. > | > | The US and most of the world's large democracies are a two-layer > | democracy. You have states that have certain responsibilities, and > | you have the Feds with other responsibilities. > | > | So you layer a third step above that with a division between Imperial > | and Federal responsibilities. (Imperial is the word that came to me, > | but in my mind, an "emperor" is optional in this conjecture.) > | > | A fourth layer may be necessary with each system a "state" in the > | over-empire. > > > But, given the probable disparate natures of all these worlds, the > purpose of the upper layers would be primarily that of peacemaker, > arbitrator or such like. > > Set broad policy, like mandating representative democracy on a planetary > level, banning interstellar warfare and piracy, setting galactic tax > rates, and running the Galactic Patrol to enforce this stuff. > > All the fiddly bits like land zoning, drivers licenses, etc, would be > left to the planetary level or lower. > > I would expect a single, galactic constitution spelling out the broad > principles, and how the delegation system works, then leave it up to the > lower layers to run things. I agree, any human-based galactic-scale state would almost by necessity have to be highly federalized, whatever the form of the state. Either the elected government of particular worlds would handle most of the governing, or the planetary baron would be for most purposes _the_ ruler from the POV of the locals. This would be true even if there was great cultural homogeneity across the galaxy. In fact, such homogeneity might be a necessity to keep such a loose system from coming apart at the first shock.
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| From | jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) |
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| Date | 2018-03-31 04:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9n14l$3ra$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #489456 |
In article <c0cdd34e-eb79-4f40-bb9d-16bc82de7776@googlegroups.com>, Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote: > >This would be true even if there was great cultural homogeneity across >the galaxy. In fact, such homogeneity might be a necessity to keep such >a loose system from coming apart at the first shock. Large, homogenous nations seem to be atypical. What interests require coordinated responses on a galactic scale, I wonder? -- My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/ My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/ My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-30 22:58 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <p9n4i3$30b$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #489461 |
On 2018-03-30 10:00 PM, James Nicoll wrote: > In article <c0cdd34e-eb79-4f40-bb9d-16bc82de7776@googlegroups.com>, > Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This would be true even if there was great cultural homogeneity across >> the galaxy. In fact, such homogeneity might be a necessity to keep such >> a loose system from coming apart at the first shock. > > Large, homogenous nations seem to be atypical. > > What interests require coordinated responses on a galactic scale, I > wonder? > In Star Wars the primary interest of the Republic appears to have been ensuring the flow of interstellar trade. They did no administration of the planets themselves and their only way to punish misbehaving worlds was to blockade them until they played nice. In Lensmen the function of Civilization was to defeat Boskone. And Boskone's purpose appeared to assure that no species would ever rise to threaten Eddore. If the Galactic Empire of the Foundation Series has a point, it remains unclear to me beyond the fact that Trantor needed an empire just to keep itself fed. But it didn't need an empire that was that big. Asimov did however regard the goal as being to eliminate all war everywhere.
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| From | mcdowell_ag@sky.com |
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| Date | 2018-03-30 22:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fcf2b175-c3b6-4f0d-b871-272377eb3f5a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #489463 |
On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 5:58:46 AM UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: > On 2018-03-30 10:00 PM, James Nicoll wrote: > > In article <c0cdd34e-eb79-4f40-bb9d-16bc82de7776@googlegroups.com>, > > Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> This would be true even if there was great cultural homogeneity across > >> the galaxy. In fact, such homogeneity might be a necessity to keep such > >> a loose system from coming apart at the first shock. > > > > Large, homogenous nations seem to be atypical. > > > > What interests require coordinated responses on a galactic scale, I > > wonder? > > > > In Star Wars the primary interest of the Republic appears to have been > ensuring the flow of interstellar trade. They did no administration of > the planets themselves and their only way to punish misbehaving worlds > was to blockade them until they played nice. > >(trimmed) The EU decided that free trade required a multitude of laws standardizing products, some of which were then used to push various popular causes, such as energy saving. I have not replaced the boiler in my house because EU law requires that I replace most of the central heating system if I do so, and that the new boiler must be a condensing boiler, which are complex and unreliable. Some types have a tendency to stop working when it gets cold enough to freeze the condensate in the outflow pipe. When I phoned in to a maintenance service to get a (very rare) boiler failure fixed, I had to sit through a recorded message telling all of those people who had condensing boilers how to manually thaw out the outflow pipe with hot water from a kettle. I believe the US (but not the EU) has redistribution of income between the various states to reduce inequality. Those of the EU who work for an "ever closer union" may note that redistribution might make it easier to reduce the problems caused by using a common currency across states that have very different economies and even very different ways of thinking about economics (compare Ordoliberalism with Keynesian Economics). Some public goods, such as scientific research, might best be funded centrally to produce the best possible research centers, with the results disseminated to all. I think Schmitz's Overgovernment is actually pretty small and most of its efforts could be summed up as strategic defense against various threats, for reasonably wide definitions of threat. In the Universe of the Lens there is a short piece when Kinnison is concerned about how much money his schemes are costing where he is told that due to "restriction of government to its proper sphere" government only taxes a few percent or so, so I imagine that they are almost entirely concerned with Boskone, which wouldn't be much of a deviation from their original concerns about pirates.
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-31 02:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4vaubdplomdlogd5fvj3ghfkb4fuhr1p5h@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #489465 |
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 22:40:09 -0700 (PDT), mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote: >I believe the US (but not the EU) has redistribution of income between the various states to reduce inequality. Not really. There are states that receive more benefit from federal activities than they pay in taxes, and vice versa, but it's absolutely not a deliberate redistribution, and it isn't meant to reduce inequality. It's largely a matter of programs intended to alleviate poverty and programs intended to support agriculture spending more money in poor agricultural states than in wealthy urban ones because that's where the poverty and agriculture are. -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com My latest novel is Stone Unturned: A Legend of Ethshar. See http://www.ethshar.com/StoneUnturned.shtml
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-03-31 14:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20180331b@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #489467 |
Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 22:40:09 -0700 (PDT), mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote:
>
>>I believe the US (but not the EU) has redistribution of income between
>>the various states to reduce inequality.
>
> Not really.
>
> There are states that receive more benefit from federal activities
> than they pay in taxes, and vice versa, but it's absolutely not a
> deliberate redistribution, and it isn't meant to reduce inequality.
> It's largely a matter of programs intended to alleviate poverty and
> programs intended to support agriculture spending more money in poor
> agricultural states than in wealthy urban ones because that's where
> the poverty and agriculture are.
My state of Wyoming has the lowest population of any state. Each federal
program typically includes a statutory minimum amount of largess to be
doled out to each state. Due to our small population Wyoming, along with
several other small population states, typically receive the statutory
minimum. But our small population leverages that minimum up to a per
capita maximum.
At some point, states with large populations just don't care about
what they perceive to be the chicken feed statutory minimum amount. It's
just so much fiscal noise to them, a rounding error not worth a quibble.
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) |
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| Date | 2018-03-31 15:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9o96r$g7g$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #489463 |
In article <p9n4i3$30b$1@gioia.aioe.org>, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2018-03-30 10:00 PM, James Nicoll wrote: >> In article <c0cdd34e-eb79-4f40-bb9d-16bc82de7776@googlegroups.com>, >> Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> This would be true even if there was great cultural homogeneity across >>> the galaxy. In fact, such homogeneity might be a necessity to keep such >>> a loose system from coming apart at the first shock. >> >> Large, homogenous nations seem to be atypical. >> >> What interests require coordinated responses on a galactic scale, I >> wonder? >> > >In Star Wars the primary interest of the Republic appears to have been >ensuring the flow of interstellar trade. They did no administration of >the planets themselves and their only way to punish misbehaving worlds >was to blockade them until they played nice. > >In Lensmen the function of Civilization was to defeat Boskone. And >Boskone's purpose appeared to assure that no species would ever rise to >threaten Eddore. > >If the Galactic Empire of the Foundation Series has a point, it remains >unclear to me beyond the fact that Trantor needed an empire just to keep >itself fed. But it didn't need an empire that was that big. Asimov did >however regard the goal as being to eliminate all war everywhere. It's not clear to me from the one classical Asimov we have that shows the Empire while it was growing that they had the ability to stop growing as long as there were new worlds to conquer. -- My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/ My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/ My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-03-31 13:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20180331a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #489461 |
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote: > In article <c0cdd34e-eb79-4f40-bb9d-16bc82de7776@googlegroups.com>, > Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>This would be true even if there was great cultural homogeneity across >>the galaxy. In fact, such homogeneity might be a necessity to keep such >>a loose system from coming apart at the first shock. > > Large, homogenous nations seem to be atypical. > > What interests require coordinated responses on a galactic scale, I > wonder? > A coordinated galactic evacuation after a supernova chain reaction occurs at the galactic core of Known Space that unleashes a "deathwave?" The "deathwave" will spread to eventually extinguish all life in the galaxy. No matter how unlikely the success of a galactic evacuation it still gives creatures hope and leaves them with a sense of purpose to their lives. Thank you, -- Don
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