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  Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 00:15 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 06:43 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 07:02 -0700
        Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 14:29 +0000
        Re: Societies of superhumans Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-23 21:56 -0700
          Re: Societies of superhumans goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2018-03-24 18:08 +0000
            Re: Societies of superhumans Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-24 14:49 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 14:27 +0000
      Re: Societies of superhumans Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 21:41 -0700
        Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 21:49 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 13:37 +0000
      Re: Societies of superhumans D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-23 18:45 +0000
        Re: Societies of superhumans Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-23 13:00 -0700
        Re: Societies of superhumans "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 15:03 -0500
          Re: Societies of superhumans D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-23 21:19 +0000
            Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 22:25 +0000
              Re: Societies of superhumans D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-23 23:48 +0000
          Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:37 -0700
            Re: Societies of superhumans David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-23 20:43 -0600
        Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 20:04 +0000
          Re: Societies of superhumans "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 16:12 -0500
            Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 22:26 +0000
        Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:31 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:19 -0700
        Re: Societies of superhumans goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2018-03-24 18:00 +0000
          Re: Societies of superhumans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-25 09:57 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-23 07:08 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 07:39 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:20 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-25 08:51 -0700
        Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-25 16:51 +0000
          Re: Societies of superhumans Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-25 10:16 -0700
            Re: Societies of superhumans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-26 17:11 -0700
              Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-27 00:18 +0000
                Re: Societies of superhumans Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-26 19:59 -0700
                  Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-27 05:55 +0000
                    Re: Societies of superhumans Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-27 05:29 -0600
                      Re: Societies of superhumans D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-27 15:57 +0000
                        Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 22:11 -0700
                        Re: Societies of superhumans David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:29 -0500
                      Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 22:01 -0700
                    Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 21:54 -0700
                  Re: Societies of superhumans Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-27 14:22 -0700
                  Re: Societies of superhumans Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 20:37 -0700
                    Re: Societies of superhumans mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-30 22:09 -0700
                    Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 01:25 -0700
                      Re: Societies of superhumans Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-31 05:51 -0700
                        Re: Societies of superhumans Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-31 20:07 -0700
          Re: Societies of superhumans lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 22:26 -0700
            Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-27 05:55 +0000
              Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 21:57 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-23 14:22 +0000
      Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:24 -0700
        Re: Societies of superhumans Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 15:40 -0500
    Societies of superhumans Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 07:39 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans Leo Sgouros <adravirgo@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 07:43 -0700
        Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:27 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 18:26 +0000
      Re: Societies of superhumans David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:37 -0500
    Re: Societies of superhumans David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-23 14:25 -0600
      Re: Societies of superhumans David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:49 -0500
    Re: Societies of superhumans "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-24 22:05 -0400
      Re: Societies of superhumans ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-25 03:21 +0000
        Re: Societies of superhumans Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 21:48 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-24 21:37 -0600
        Re: Societies of superhumans "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-27 07:34 -0400
          Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 22:06 -0700
            Re: Societies of superhumans David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:52 -0500
          Re: Societies of superhumans Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 20:33 -0700
            Re: Societies of superhumans "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-31 10:17 -0400
              Re: Societies of superhumans mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-31 08:50 -0700
                Re: Societies of superhumans David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:54 -0500
              Re: Societies of superhumans Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-31 09:40 -0700
              Re: Societies of superhumans Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 12:37 -0700
              Re: Societies of superhumans David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-31 14:05 -0600
              Re: Societies of superhumans Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 19:42 -0700
                Re: Societies of superhumans David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-01 21:22 -0600
                  Re: Societies of superhumans ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-02 03:57 +0000
    Re: Societies of superhumans Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 15:36 -0500
      Re: Societies of superhumans Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 14:15 -0700
        Re: Societies of superhumans Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:22 -0500
          Re: Societies of superhumans Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-26 14:34 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-26 14:25 -0700
        Re: Societies of superhumans Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:28 -0500

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#488945

On 2018-03-23 15:04, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <20180323b@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

>>     People with six fingers can enter accelerated time at their pleasure
>> in "Six Fingers of Time" (Lafferty). "Big Ancestor" (Wallace) contains
>> a mix of humans in different stages of evolution who more-or-less get
>> along.
> 
> Until they figure out where they really came from.  I remember
> that story fondly.

Fun story, indeed.

One of the "people" on the star ship was a "ribonneer". The very first
time that I saw _Star Wars_, I noticed a ribonneer in the cantina scene.

-- 
Michael F. Stemper
Why doesn't anybody care about apathy?

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#488951

In article <p93qjr$22h$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2018-03-23 15:04, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <20180323b@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>
>>>     People with six fingers can enter accelerated time at their pleasure
>>> in "Six Fingers of Time" (Lafferty). "Big Ancestor" (Wallace) contains
>>> a mix of humans in different stages of evolution who more-or-less get
>>> along.
>> 
>> Until they figure out where they really came from.  I remember
>> that story fondly.
>
>Fun story, indeed.
>
>One of the "people" on the star ship was a "ribonneer". 

I remember him.

>The very first
>time that I saw _Star Wars_, I noticed a ribonneer in the cantina scene.

I *don't* remember him.  Must get the DVD out and watch it again.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#488961

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 2:45:12 PM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote:
> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> > In article <35f964bd-b204-4342-9da2-21e8e19ac2b1@googlegroups.com>,
> > The Zygon  <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>The idea of the superman pervades science fiction. But in most of the
> >>stories I have read, the superhumans are evil in some way and need to be
> >>destroyed. I have read very few in which all humans have become
> >>superhuman, compared to humanity of today. I am interested in hearing
> >>about stories which tackle this problem. That is, how to write a good
> >>story where all humans are superhuman, and so the story is not about the
> >>clash between the ordinary humans and superhumans.
> >
> >>Maybe I should add that sometimes the clash set to some remove.  The
> >>superhumans have become separated from the main branch of humanity, and
> >>the clash is between the main branch and separated superhumans.
> >
> > Well, Anderson's _Brain Wave_, in which the Solar System drifts
> > out of a cloud of handwavium and everybody becomes much more
> > intelligent.  Some people can't take it.
> >
> > Van Vogt's _Slan,_ of course.  They're not superhumans, but they
> > are telepaths, which gives everybody else the creeps.
> >
> > Ditto Padgett's _Mutant_, whose Baldies have the same problem.
> >
> > Heinlein's _Methuselah's Children_ comes to mind, in which the
> > Howard Families have to leave Earth because of conflict with
> > normals ... but they're not superhumans, with the exception maybe
> > of Andrew Libby.  They're just longaevi.
> >
> > This is just off the top of my head at 6:30 in the morning.  Note
> > also that these are all old stories.  Others will be able to
> > provide some newer ones.
> >
> 
> Re: _Brain Wave_. Shades of Fred Hoyle's panspermia. Most people who
> give a hoot in hell about Hoyle like that theory. It's not my favorite
> theory. Hoyle's steady state universe theory is my favorite theory
> because it explains galactic blue shifts. Most people who like the
> panspermia theory don't like the steady state theory. So, that makes me
> out of step with most people who give a hoot in hell about Hoyle.
>     Re: _Slan_. Do the Dreeges of "Asylum" (Van Vogt) count? If so, then
> surely _Twilight_ (Meyers) along with most of Unnatural Quarter stomping
> grounds of Dan Shamble, Zombie P.I.
>     Do mutants count? If so, there's "The Golden Man" (PKD), _Flow My
> Tears the Policeman Said_ (PKD) and _Jumper_ (Gould).
>     People with six fingers can enter accelerated time at their pleasure
> in "Six Fingers of Time" (Lafferty). "Big Ancestor" (Wallace) contains
> a mix of humans in different stages of evolution who more-or-less get
> along.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> --
> Don

I like yout list. :-)

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#488957

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 10:00:08 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <35f964bd-b204-4342-9da2-21e8e19ac2b1@googlegroups.com>,
> The Zygon  <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >The idea of the superman pervades science fiction. But in most of the
> >stories I have read, the superhumans are evil in some way and need to be
> >destroyed. I have read very few in which all humans have become
> >superhuman, compared to humanity of today. I am interested in hearing
> >about stories which tackle this problem. That is, how to write a good
> >story where all humans are superhuman, and so the story is not about the
> >clash between the ordinary humans and superhumans.
> 
> >Maybe I should add that sometimes the clash set to some remove.  The
> >superhumans have become separated from the main branch of humanity, and
> >the clash is between the main branch and separated superhumans.
> 
> Well, Anderson's _Brain Wave_, in which the Solar System drifts
> out of a cloud of handwavium and everybody becomes much more
> intelligent.  Some people can't take it.
> 
> Van Vogt's _Slan,_ of course.  They're not superhumans, but they
> are telepaths, which gives everybody else the creeps.
> 
> Ditto Padgett's _Mutant_, whose Baldies have the same problem.
> 
> Heinlein's _Methuselah's Children_ comes to mind, in which the
> Howard Families have to leave Earth because of conflict with
> normals ... but they're not superhumans, with the exception maybe
> of Andrew Libby.  They're just longaevi.  
> 
> This is just off the top of my head at 6:30 in the morning.  Note
> also that these are all old stories.  Others will be able to
> provide some newer ones.
> 
> -- 
> Dorothy J. Heydt
> Vallejo, California
> djheydt at gmail dot com

The Slan were also smarter and stronger.  They were superhuman.

All the examples you mentioned follow the pattern I find most common.

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#488991

In article <471b58e4-b87c-459b-b664-4c9bd4bb4f9a@googlegroups.com>,
The Zygon  <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 10:00:08 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> Van Vogt's _Slan,_ of course.  They're not superhumans, but they
>> are telepaths, which gives everybody else the creeps.
>
>The Slan were also smarter and stronger.  They were superhuman.
>
>All the examples you mentioned follow the pattern I find most common.

I agree with you about the slans, but Van Vogt didn't portray them
as evil and needing to be destroyed: they were feared and persecuted,
but the population at large doing the persecuting was shown as 
stupid and ignorant.

-- 
   David Goldfarb          |"It doesn't matter. Don't you see? Nothing matters!"
goldfarbdj@gmail.com       |
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |       -- Fredric Brown, "Come and Go Mad"

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#489025

On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 12:30:03 PM UTC-6, David Goldfarb wrote:
> In article <471b58e4-b87c-459b-b664-4c9bd4bb4f9a@googlegroups.com>,
> The Zygon  <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 10:00:08 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> Van Vogt's _Slan,_ of course.  They're not superhumans, but they
> >> are telepaths, which gives everybody else the creeps.
> >
> >The Slan were also smarter and stronger.  They were superhuman.
> >
> >All the examples you mentioned follow the pattern I find most common.
> 
> I agree with you about the slans, but Van Vogt didn't portray them
> as evil and needing to be destroyed: they were feared and persecuted,
> but the population at large doing the persecuting was shown as 
> stupid and ignorant.

As far as people being persecuted because they are telepaths, the "The Destiny 
Makers" series by Mike Shupp comes to mind.

John Savard

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#488913

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 3:15:06 AM UTC-4, The  Zygon wrote:
> The idea of the superman pervades science fiction. But in most of
> the stories I have read, the superhumans are evil in some way and
> need to be destroyed. I have read very few in which all humans have
> become superhuman, compared to humanity of today. I am interested
> in hearing about stories which tackle this problem. That is, how to
> write a good story where all humans are superhuman, and so the story
> is not about the clash between the ordinary humans and superhumans.
[snip]

The first book that comes to mind is Poul Anderson's _Brain Wave_
(1954, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2320). "Humans becoming
superhuman" was a popular theme at the time. Anderson's was one of
the better and more memorable treatments.

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#488916

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 10:08:45 AM UTC-4, Ahasuerus wrote:
> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 3:15:06 AM UTC-4, The  Zygon wrote:
> > The idea of the superman pervades science fiction. But in most of
> > the stories I have read, the superhumans are evil in some way and
> > need to be destroyed. I have read very few in which all humans have
> > become superhuman, compared to humanity of today. I am interested
> > in hearing about stories which tackle this problem. That is, how to
> > write a good story where all humans are superhuman, and so the story
> > is not about the clash between the ordinary humans and superhumans.
> [snip]
> 
> The first book that comes to mind is Poul Anderson's _Brain Wave_
> (1954, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2320). "Humans becoming
> superhuman" was a popular theme at the time. Anderson's was one of
> the better and more memorable treatments.

"Brain Wave" is certainly a contender. However, in that everyone (including all
animals with a brain), get exactly the same superpower: INT x 5.

If the 'Flynn Effect' is real, and means something, and doesn't top out (all
of which are questionable), we'll all get there in about 1300 years. 

pt

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#488958

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 10:08:45 AM UTC-4, Ahasuerus wrote:
> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 3:15:06 AM UTC-4, The  Zygon wrote:
> > The idea of the superman pervades science fiction. But in most of
> > the stories I have read, the superhumans are evil in some way and
> > need to be destroyed. I have read very few in which all humans have
> > become superhuman, compared to humanity of today. I am interested
> > in hearing about stories which tackle this problem. That is, how to
> > write a good story where all humans are superhuman, and so the story
> > is not about the clash between the ordinary humans and superhumans.
> [snip]
> 
> The first book that comes to mind is Poul Anderson's _Brain Wave_
> (1954, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2320). "Humans becoming
> superhuman" was a popular theme at the time. Anderson's was one of
> the better and more memorable treatments.

_Brain Wave_ is a story I read from time to time.

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#489022

On 3/23/18 7:08 AM, Ahasuerus wrote:
> The first book that comes to mind is Poul Anderson's _Brain Wave_
> (1954)

The second book that came to mind is
"Children of the Atom" by Wilmar H. Shiras (1953)

Did I miss a previous nomination in the thread?

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#489027

In article <p98gh6$ca2$1@dont-email.me>,
lal_truckee  <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 3/23/18 7:08 AM, Ahasuerus wrote:
>> The first book that comes to mind is Poul Anderson's _Brain Wave_
>> (1954)
>
>The second book that came to mind is
>"Children of the Atom" by Wilmar H. Shiras (1953)
>
>Did I miss a previous nomination in the thread?

No, this is the first mention of Shiras that I've seen.

I met Ms. Shiras once; she said that fans kept coming up to her
at cons and saying, "That book was about ME!"

And it's true that you don't have to be a super-genius who's
publishing at age eight to be the brightest kid in a classful of
average kids and loathed because of it.  Adfui, feci.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#489028

On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 1:00:06 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <p98gh6$ca2$1@dont-email.me>,
> lal_truckee  <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 3/23/18 7:08 AM, Ahasuerus wrote:
> >> The first book that comes to mind is Poul Anderson's _Brain Wave_
> >> (1954)
> >
> >The second book that came to mind is
> >"Children of the Atom" by Wilmar H. Shiras (1953)
> >
> >Did I miss a previous nomination in the thread?
> 
> No, this is the first mention of Shiras that I've seen.
> 
> I met Ms. Shiras once; she said that fans kept coming up to her
> at cons and saying, "That book was about ME!"
> 
> And it's true that you don't have to be a super-genius who's
> publishing at age eight to be the brightest kid in a classful of
> average kids and loathed because of it.  Adfui, feci.

It's also true that you don't have to have pyrokinetic powers to
be hated and abused by your classmates. But it helps.

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#489117

I thought being hated and abused came first, and _then_ the 
pyrokinetic powers manifested themselves.

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#489119

In article <c687639f-77a6-497b-aaeb-643041d56036@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>I thought being hated and abused came first, and _then_ the 
>pyrokinetic powers manifested themselves.

Don't those powers tend to manifest in adolescence?  In which
case the person doesn't *have* to have been hated and abused.
Just being an adolescent is impetus enough.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#489130

On 3/26/2018 5:18 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <c687639f-77a6-497b-aaeb-643041d56036@googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> I thought being hated and abused came first, and _then_ the
>> pyrokinetic powers manifested themselves.
> 
> Don't those powers tend to manifest in adolescence?  In which
> case the person doesn't *have* to have been hated and abused.
> Just being an adolescent is impetus enough.
> 
Can you think of an adolescent who hasn't felt hated and abused?

-- 
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation 
instinct are running screaming.

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#489154

In article <p9cc2q$psu$1@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler  <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 3/26/2018 5:18 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <c687639f-77a6-497b-aaeb-643041d56036@googlegroups.com>,
>> Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> I thought being hated and abused came first, and _then_ the
>>> pyrokinetic powers manifested themselves.
>> 
>> Don't those powers tend to manifest in adolescence?  In which
>> case the person doesn't *have* to have been hated and abused.
>> Just being an adolescent is impetus enough.
>> 
>Can you think of an adolescent who hasn't felt hated and abused?

Well, I didn't feel hated and abused as an adolescent.  But I've
always been an outlier.  Note that I was never a pyrokinetic
either.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#489159

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

>In article <p9cc2q$psu$1@dont-email.me>,
>Dimensional Traveler  <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>On 3/26/2018 5:18 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <c687639f-77a6-497b-aaeb-643041d56036@googlegroups.com>,
>>> Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> I thought being hated and abused came first, and _then_ the
>>>> pyrokinetic powers manifested themselves.
>>> 
>>> Don't those powers tend to manifest in adolescence?  In which
>>> case the person doesn't *have* to have been hated and abused.
>>> Just being an adolescent is impetus enough.
>>> 
>>Can you think of an adolescent who hasn't felt hated and abused?
>
>Well, I didn't feel hated and abused as an adolescent.  But I've
>always been an outlier.  Note that I was never a pyrokinetic
>either.

I was hated and abused up to Grade 6 (age 12), maybe Grade 7.  I
didn't actually notice when it stopped.  

High school was actually sane for me.  I was still a misfit and deeply
unhappy, but I internalized that as my own problem, not anything that
people around me were doing.  It wasn't until well into my forties
that I discovered that everyone's HIGH SCHOOL was supposed to be a
disaster.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#489174

Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>>In article <p9cc2q$psu$1@dont-email.me>,
>>Dimensional Traveler  <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>On 3/26/2018 5:18 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <c687639f-77a6-497b-aaeb-643041d56036@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>> I thought being hated and abused came first, and _then_ the
>>>>> pyrokinetic powers manifested themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Don't those powers tend to manifest in adolescence?  In which
>>>> case the person doesn't *have* to have been hated and abused.
>>>> Just being an adolescent is impetus enough.
>>>>
>>>Can you think of an adolescent who hasn't felt hated and abused?
>>
>>Well, I didn't feel hated and abused as an adolescent.  But I've
>>always been an outlier.  Note that I was never a pyrokinetic
>>either.
>
> I was hated and abused up to Grade 6 (age 12), maybe Grade 7.  I
> didn't actually notice when it stopped.
>
> High school was actually sane for me.  I was still a misfit and deeply
> unhappy, but I internalized that as my own problem, not anything that
> people around me were doing.  It wasn't until well into my forties
> that I discovered that everyone's HIGH SCHOOL was supposed to be a
> disaster.

The typical high school sports/prom/clique experience as portrayed in
books and movies didn't apply to me. All of those typical things
probably happened while my head was buried in books.
    The system placed me into honors classes starting with junior high
school. For the most part, my classes, except for the mandatory gym
class and lunch, were a joyful learning experience.
    Of course, you still had to navigate crowded corridors between
classes. Sometimes fights erupted. But the refuge of yet another
peaceful oasis (excluding gym and lunch) always awaited you. Elusive
evasiveness worked best for me to quickly traverse from one oasis to the
next.
    Summer school was one of the early highlights of my life. During my
freshman high school year it occurred to me how to graduate early.
    Early graduation doesn't happen unless you yourself drive the
process in the first place. It may be impossible these days because it
reduces head count and, by extension, funding.
    Part of my ploy to graduate early was to attend summer schools and
thereby rack up extra credits. Requisite credits necessary to ultimately
jettison high school and enter college proper.
    Summer school was a thoroughly enjoyable experience. The building
was virtually deserted. It was a relaxed atmosphere. It /felt/ like an
exclusive college campus.
    All of the usual suspects who hated school raised hell elsewhere,
which suited me just fine. The only students left in the building were
scholars and clowns.
    The entire class of one of my math courses consisted of another
student, me, and a photo of Bob Noyce on the wall. The school's small
computer room did double duty that summer and was used as a classroom.
The teacher programmed when we self-studied. Such a high (eg expensive)
student-teacher ratio makes for a quality learning experience.
    The clowns were there because they goofed off too much during the
regular school semester and had to make up classes. They made superb
comic relief at breaks.

Thank you,

--
Don

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#489240

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 11:57:19 AM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote:
> Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
> > djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> >
> >>In article <p9cc2q$psu$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>Dimensional Traveler  <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>>On 3/26/2018 5:18 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >>>> In article <c687639f-77a6-497b-aaeb-643041d56036@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>> Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >>>>> I thought being hated and abused came first, and _then_ the
> >>>>> pyrokinetic powers manifested themselves.
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't those powers tend to manifest in adolescence?  In which
> >>>> case the person doesn't *have* to have been hated and abused.
> >>>> Just being an adolescent is impetus enough.
> >>>>
> >>>Can you think of an adolescent who hasn't felt hated and abused?
> >>
> >>Well, I didn't feel hated and abused as an adolescent.  But I've
> >>always been an outlier.  Note that I was never a pyrokinetic
> >>either.
> >
> > I was hated and abused up to Grade 6 (age 12), maybe Grade 7.  I
> > didn't actually notice when it stopped.
> >
> > High school was actually sane for me.  I was still a misfit and deeply
> > unhappy, but I internalized that as my own problem, not anything that
> > people around me were doing.  It wasn't until well into my forties
> > that I discovered that everyone's HIGH SCHOOL was supposed to be a
> > disaster.
> 
> The typical high school sports/prom/clique experience as portrayed in
> books and movies didn't apply to me. All of those typical things
> probably happened while my head was buried in books.
>     The system placed me into honors classes starting with junior high
> school. For the most part, my classes, except for the mandatory gym
> class and lunch, were a joyful learning experience.
>     Of course, you still had to navigate crowded corridors between
> classes. Sometimes fights erupted. But the refuge of yet another
> peaceful oasis (excluding gym and lunch) always awaited you. Elusive
> evasiveness worked best for me to quickly traverse from one oasis to the
> next.
>     Summer school was one of the early highlights of my life. During my
> freshman high school year it occurred to me how to graduate early.
>     Early graduation doesn't happen unless you yourself drive the
> process in the first place. It may be impossible these days because it
> reduces head count and, by extension, funding.
>     Part of my ploy to graduate early was to attend summer schools and
> thereby rack up extra credits. Requisite credits necessary to ultimately
> jettison high school and enter college proper.
>     Summer school was a thoroughly enjoyable experience. The building
> was virtually deserted. It was a relaxed atmosphere. It /felt/ like an
> exclusive college campus.
>     All of the usual suspects who hated school raised hell elsewhere,
> which suited me just fine. The only students left in the building were
> scholars and clowns.
>     The entire class of one of my math courses consisted of another
> student, me, and a photo of Bob Noyce on the wall. The school's small
> computer room did double duty that summer and was used as a classroom.
> The teacher programmed when we self-studied. Such a high (eg expensive)
> student-teacher ratio makes for a quality learning experience.
>     The clowns were there because they goofed off too much during the
> regular school semester and had to make up classes. They made superb
> comic relief at breaks.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> --
> Don

You can use the "summer school" in college as well.  I used it, not to graduate early, but to have multiple majors.

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#489578

On 2018-03-27, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>     Early graduation doesn't happen unless you yourself drive the
> process in the first place. It may be impossible these days because it
> reduces head count and, by extension, funding.

It was still possible in Cleveland in 1980. My high school was private, so no
city-funding worries, just alumni-funding. The key there was that Ohio (?)
mandated four years of English in high school ... so you had to test into
sophomore English for your first year, which I did.

I only recently got the Alumni Organization to comprehend that while I
-graduated- in 1980, that wasn't my -class-; my class and classmates were '81.

Dave, have not been back for a reunion since moving out of state. yet.
-- 
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It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is	all it takes to	make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE	HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible	:( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

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