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_Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford

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  _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-18 15:58 -0600
    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-18 15:05 -0700
      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-19 16:06 -0600
        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-19 15:15 -0700
          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-19 20:00 -0600
            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-02-19 18:34 -0800
            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-19 21:00 -0700
              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-19 23:04 -0500
                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-19 21:19 -0700
                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 07:44 -0500
                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-20 12:59 -0700
                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-02-20 13:14 -0800
                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 21:17 -0500
                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-02-20 21:15 -0800
                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 01:59 -0500
                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-20 23:07 -0800
                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 21:11 -0500
                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-21 21:35 -0800
                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 07:06 -0500
                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-22 19:25 +0000
                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 12:58 -0600
                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 20:09 -0600
                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-22 18:59 -0800
                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 22:10 -0600
                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-02-22 23:32 -0800
                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 13:25 -0600
                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-02-21 21:38 -0800
                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 07:14 -0500
                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-22 15:20 +0000
                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-22 16:26 +0000
                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-02-22 14:05 -0800
                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 21:11 -0500
                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-22 19:35 -0700
                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> - 2018-02-23 11:00 +0000
                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 07:38 -0500
                                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-23 13:43 -0700
                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 07:37 -0500
                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-23 13:52 -0700
                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-24 03:12 +0000
                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 01:08 -0500
                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-24 15:05 +0000
                                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 11:33 -0500
                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-02-24 10:09 -0700
                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-24 18:26 +0000
                                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 17:39 -0500
                                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-25 01:27 +0000
                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-24 10:21 -0700
                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-02-26 15:04 +0000
                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-22 10:17 -0700
                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-22 19:58 +0000
                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-22 20:58 +0000
                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 16:57 -0500
                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 21:14 -0500
                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-22 19:41 -0700
                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 07:40 -0500
                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-23 04:31 +0000
                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> - 2018-02-23 11:05 +0000
                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 07:41 -0500
                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-23 07:34 -0800
                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-23 16:16 +0000
                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 19:52 -0500
                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-24 01:08 +0000
                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 01:14 -0500
                                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-24 06:27 +0000
                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 01:53 -0500
                                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-24 07:16 +0000
                                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 08:40 -0500
                                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-24 17:05 +0000
                                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 12:38 -0500
                                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-02-24 10:10 -0700
                                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-02-26 21:45 -0600
                                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-27 07:35 -0500
                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-02-27 05:20 +0000
                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-23 18:19 -0700
                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 01:14 -0500
                                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-23 23:28 -0700
                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> - 2018-02-24 12:51 +0000
                                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 08:43 -0500
                                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 16:54 -0600
                                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 21:54 -0500
                                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:30 -0600
                                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-04 15:03 -0800
                                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:38 -0600
                                                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-05 18:06 -0800
                                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 22:15 -0500
                                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 00:58 -0800
                                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> - 2018-03-06 21:29 +0000
                                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-03-14 01:30 -0500
                                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-03-03 04:40 -0800
                                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-04 03:15 -0800
                                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-04 05:30 -0800
                                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:31 -0600
                                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-05 19:28 +0000
                                                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-05 20:07 +0000
                                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 13:17 -0700
                                                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-05 21:13 +0000
                                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-05 20:35 +0000
                                                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:42 -0600
                                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 22:18 -0500
                                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 21:14 -0700
                                                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:03 -0600
                                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 07:06 -0500
                                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 10:29 -0700
                                                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 12:20 -0600
                                                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 11:38 -0700
                                                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:20 -0600
                                                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-06 13:09 -0800
                                                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-06 22:04 +0000
                                                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-06 14:49 -0800
                                                                          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:28 -0500
                                                                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-07 14:17 +0000
                                                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-07 23:26 -0700
                                                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-07 23:25 -0700
                                                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-03-14 01:34 -0500
                                                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-06 13:09 -0800
                                                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 14:33 -0600
                                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 15:04 -0800
                                                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:57 -0600
                                                                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:44 -0800
                                                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 16:35 -0600
                                                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 13:06 -0800
                                                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-07 16:30 -0800
                                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-07 19:24 -0700
                                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-03 09:52 -0700
                                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:40 -0600
                                            Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-02-23 22:56 -0800
                                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-24 00:04 -0700
                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-02-26 21:43 -0600
                                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-27 07:38 -0500
                                    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 13:45 -0600
                                      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 14:35 -0800
                              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-02-26 21:33 -0600
                                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-27 07:40 -0500
                        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-02-21 03:05 -0700
                  Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-02-20 19:19 -0700
              Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 12:40 -0600
                Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-20 13:00 -0700
        Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-19 22:15 -0800
          Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 12:41 -0600
      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-02-26 21:29 -0600
    Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-19 05:40 +0000
      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-18 22:50 -0800
      Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-19 16:08 -0600

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#487213

From"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com>
Date2018-02-24 12:58 -0600
Message-ID<p6sckf$c08$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#487104
On 2018-02-22 13:25, Default User wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
> 
>> So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the
>> "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters?
> 
> Sheesh. How about trimming quotes a bit?

Yes, please do this.

-- 
Michael F. Stemper
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#487122

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2018-02-22 20:09 -0600
Message-ID<p6nt50$lo1$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#487087
On 2/22/2018 6:06 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
...
>> The English settlement of the New World was done by religious extremists
>> without Royal Navy support, so not applicable.
> 
> So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the
> "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters?

Which time ?  I'm not sure how much involved the Royal Navy was in the 
late 1700s.  But they sure were involved in the War of 1812.

Lynn

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#487133

FromDimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
Date2018-02-22 18:59 -0800
Message-ID<p6o02g$4b6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#487087
On 2/22/2018 4:06 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:35:12 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/21/2018 6:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 23:07:22 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/20/2018 10:59 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:15:28 -0800 (PST), mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 7:59:55 PM UTC, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-02-20 5:44 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:19:07 -0700, David Johnston
>>>>>>>> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-19 9:04 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:00:55 -0700, David Johnston
>>>>>>>>>> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-19 7:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/19/2018 4:15 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-19 3:06 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 4:05 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-18 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          https://www.amazon.com/dp/0756411890/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Book number three of a three books series.  I read the excellent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> printed and bound MMPB.  I doubt that there will be any more books
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the series since this book fairly closed all of the loose ends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the best of the best SF genre for me, space opera with psi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The story concerns the the fact that the Folds, used for FTL space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel, have become dangerous for space ship passage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The booked was flawed for me though by the constant mention of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man-made climate change supposedly almost rendering the Earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uninhabitable in the 21st century.  Man-made climate change theory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is junk science
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So's the EMP apocalypse.  But a depopulating catastrophe is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excellent way to move your science fiction universe into the state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where interstellar civilization is no longer Earth centered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Half of the Earth's population would leave the planet if they could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other half wouldn't.  And "if they could" is a big sticking point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The mere ability to move some people offworld does not convert into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the capacity to move vast quantities of people inexpensively.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was replying to your statement that Ms. Bedford needed a plot device
>>>>>>>>>>>> to get people off the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that wasn't my statement.  As long as Earth is the oldest, most
>>>>>>>>>>> populous, most developed world, it most most likely be the most
>>>>>>>>>>> powerful.  Thus you end up with an Earth centered setting with the
>>>>>>>>>>> colony worlds on the periphery.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really work that way.  China and India are both more
>>>>>>>>>> "populous" than the US or Europe, and have older civilizations, but
>>>>>>>>>> they have not been dominant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They were dominant for a very long time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who did they dominate?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Europeans only overtook
>>>>>>>>> them because they were so dominant that the Europeans wanted to come to
>>>>>>>>> them for trade
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The US engaged in a lot of trade with Africa during the early 1800s.
>>>>>>>> Does that make Africa "dominant"?  I'm sorry but you are conflating
>>>>>>>> "having a valuable good to sell" and "representing a large potential
>>>>>>>> market" with "being dominant".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and ended up traveling the world looking for better
>>>>>>>>> routes to get there while they had no interest in venturing far afield.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So if they didn't "venture afield" then who did they dominate?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The same thing does not apply to an Earth that is actually founding
>>>>>>>>> colonies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So by you logic Hong Kong, India and the US are dominated by England,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Britain was the dominant world power for quite a long time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the Phillippines are dominated by Spain, Brazil is dominated by
>>>>>>>> Portugal, and so on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now it's possible for such an Earth to just lose interest but
>>>>>>>>> unless you are set unimaginably far in the future all you'll still end
>>>>>>>>> up with all the well-developed populous and powerful worlds being the
>>>>>>>>> ones that were initially close to Earth and hospitable.  Still Earth
>>>>>>>>> centered.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, until one of them turns into Rome/the US/Manticore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately for Hornblower in Space, Britain had geographical advantages that determined its strategy - geographical advantages that don't have an obvious equivalent in space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Even before it gained control of the seas, the English channel sheltered Britain from most risk of invasion from the continent. It could therefore make as much or as little trouble on the continent as it wanted, while still having the option to retreat back across the channel if things got too hot for it. In particular, it had the incentive to put much more of its resource into a Navy and much less into a standing Army.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) A large Navy, plus good ports and a blocking position translates into the ability to blockade ports in the continent and make commercial as well as military use of those ports less attractive, hence the predominance over Holland, and the rise to command of the seas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you have an FTL technology which gives travel between the stars a very non-uniform difficulty, no one planet is likely to have this sort of a positional advantage.
>>>>>
>>>>> And how exactly did that "positional advantage" help them in India,
>>>>> China, and the New World?
>>>>>
>>>> It gave the natural incentive to build a massive navy;
>>>
>>> Nice notion.  Except the Royal Navy was not much bigger than the
>>> French navy in 1792.
>>>
>>>> and strong
>>>> maritime tradition, which gave rise to the mindset and ability to go to
>>>> far away places and interfere in other people's business.
>>>
>>> So how did that work out in the New World?
>>>
>> The English settlement of the New World was done by religious extremists
>> without Royal Navy support, so not applicable.
> 
> So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the
> "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters?
> 
I don't think the religious extremists were ever a threat to the British 
monarchy.

-- 
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation 
instinct are running screaming.

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#487135

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2018-02-22 22:10 -0600
Message-ID<p6o47e$qj8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#487133
On 2/22/2018 8:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
...
>>> The English settlement of the New World was done by religious extremists
>>> without Royal Navy support, so not applicable.
>>
>> So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the
>> "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters?
>>
> I don't think the religious extremists were ever a threat to the British 
> monarchy.

Including the one who cut off King Charles's head in 1649 ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell

Lynn

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#487141

FromRobert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com>
Date2018-02-22 23:32 -0800
Message-ID<00c32c34-fff6-479b-bb4e-fe3d74434eda@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#487135
On Friday, 23 February 2018 04:10:26 UTC, Lynn McGuire  wrote:
> On 2/22/2018 8:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> ...
> >>> The English settlement of the New World was done by religious extremists
> >>> without Royal Navy support, so not applicable.
> >>
> >> So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the
> >> "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters?
> >>
> > I don't think the religious extremists were ever a threat to the British 
> > monarchy.
> 
> Including the one who cut off King Charles's head in 1649 ?
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell
> 
> Lynn

Wasn't Chuck the religious extremist?  "Divine right of kings."

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#487165

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2018-02-23 13:25 -0600
Message-ID<p6ppr1$ufq$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#487141
On 2/23/2018 1:32 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Friday, 23 February 2018 04:10:26 UTC, Lynn McGuire  wrote:
>> On 2/22/2018 8:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> ...
>>>>> The English settlement of the New World was done by religious extremists
>>>>> without Royal Navy support, so not applicable.
>>>>
>>>> So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the
>>>> "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters?
>>>>
>>> I don't think the religious extremists were ever a threat to the British
>>> monarchy.
>>
>> Including the one who cut off King Charles's head in 1649 ?
>>      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell
>>
>> Lynn
> 
> Wasn't Chuck the religious extremist?  "Divine right of kings."

There were many.  I believe that Mary was the worst as she was burning 
protestants.

Lynn

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#487084

Frommcdowell_ag@sky.com
Date2018-02-21 21:38 -0800
Message-ID<3e061571-4a5b-48c0-aa51-82ef1056b719@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#487081
(trimmed)
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately for Hornblower in Space, Britain had geographical advantages that determined its strategy - geographical advantages that don't have an obvious equivalent in space.
> >>>
> >>> 1) Even before it gained control of the seas, the English channel sheltered Britain from most risk of invasion from the continent. It could therefore make as much or as little trouble on the continent as it wanted, while still having the option to retreat back across the channel if things got too hot for it. In particular, it had the incentive to put much more of its resource into a Navy and much less into a standing Army.
> >>>
> >>> 2) A large Navy, plus good ports and a blocking position translates into the ability to blockade ports in the continent and make commercial as well as military use of those ports less attractive, hence the predominance over Holland, and the rise to command of the seas.
> >>>
> >>> Unless you have an FTL technology which gives travel between the stars a very non-uniform difficulty, no one planet is likely to have this sort of a positional advantage.
> >> 
> >> And how exactly did that "positional advantage" help them in India,
> >> China, and the New World?
> >> 
> >It gave the natural incentive to build a massive navy;
> 
> Nice notion.  Except the Royal Navy was not much bigger than the
> French navy in 1792.
> 
> >and strong 
> >maritime tradition, which gave rise to the mindset and ability to go to 
> >far away places and interfere in other people's business.
> 
> So how did that work out in the New World?

Britain attained command of the seas after Trafalgar in 1805. Wikipedia says "The British victory spectacularly confirmed the naval supremacy that Britain had established during the eighteenth century and was achieved in part through Nelson's departure from the prevailing naval tactical orthodoxy" If you want a guide to the growth of the Empire, I recommend "Britain's Imperial Century, 1815-1914: A Study of Empire and Expansion (Cambridge Commonwealth Series)" by Ronald Hyam. This tells a complex and somewhat accidental story without any particular ideological bias, except for a slight attachment to a theory that the force that impelled many Brits to go out into the empire was a search for a less restrained sex life. I think one of the foundations present at the start of the revolutionary wars was that Britain had a large pool of merchant seamen to draw on, having gained an ascendancy over their principle rivals, the Dutch.

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#487088

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2018-02-22 07:14 -0500
Message-ID<alct8dplbkq4h88v8em69o43f2bhk0rf9d@4ax.com>
In reply to#487084
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:38:34 -0800 (PST), mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote:

>(trimmed)
>> >>>
>> >>> Unfortunately for Hornblower in Space, Britain had geographical advantages that determined its strategy - geographical advantages that don't have an obvious equivalent in space.
>> >>>
>> >>> 1) Even before it gained control of the seas, the English channel sheltered Britain from most risk of invasion from the continent. It could therefore make as much or as little trouble on the continent as it wanted, while still having the option to retreat back across the channel if things got too hot for it. In particular, it had the incentive to put much more of its resource into a Navy and much less into a standing Army.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2) A large Navy, plus good ports and a blocking position translates into the ability to blockade ports in the continent and make commercial as well as military use of those ports less attractive, hence the predominance over Holland, and the rise to command of the seas.
>> >>>
>> >>> Unless you have an FTL technology which gives travel between the stars a very non-uniform difficulty, no one planet is likely to have this sort of a positional advantage.
>> >> 
>> >> And how exactly did that "positional advantage" help them in India,
>> >> China, and the New World?
>> >> 
>> >It gave the natural incentive to build a massive navy;
>> 
>> Nice notion.  Except the Royal Navy was not much bigger than the
>> French navy in 1792.
>> 
>> >and strong 
>> >maritime tradition, which gave rise to the mindset and ability to go to 
>> >far away places and interfere in other people's business.
>> 
>> So how did that work out in the New World?
>
>Britain attained command of the seas after Trafalgar in 1805. Wikipedia says "The British victory spectacularly confirmed the naval supremacy that Britain had established during the eighteenth century"

So according to your source, that supremacy was achieved before 1800,
contradicting your assertion.  The "eighteenth century" was 1700-1799.
And that "command" managed a draw with Germany in 

> "and was achieved in part through Nelson's departure from the prevailing naval tactical orthodoxy" If you want a guide to the growth of the Empire, I recommend "Britain's Imperial Century, 1815-1914: A Study of Empire and Expansion (Cambridge Commonwealth Series)" by Ronald Hyam. This tells a complex and somewhat accidental story without any particular ideological bias, except for a slight attachment to a theory that the force that impelled many Brits to go out into the empire was a search for a less restrained sex life. I think one of the foundations present at the start of the revolutionary wars was that Britain had a large pool of merchant seamen to draw on, having gained an ascendancy over their principle rivals, the Dutch.

The rest of this pretty much supports my viewpoint.  The Brits were
large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their
little island.

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#487095

Fromted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
Date2018-02-22 15:20 +0000
Message-ID<ff85daF26aiU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#487088
In article <alct8dplbkq4h88v8em69o43f2bhk0rf9d@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke  <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The rest of this pretty much supports my viewpoint.  The Brits were
>large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their
>little island.

That's one way of looking at it.  Conan Doyle's seems equally valid:

	"All is very well with me, Bertrand," said she. "The blessed
	hour of sight has come round to me again."

	"I could see it come! I could see it come!" he exclaimed,
	passing his fingers through his hair with the same perplexed
	expression as before.

	"This is untoward, Sir Tristram," he said at last. "And I
	scarce know in what words to make it clear to you, and to
	your fair wife, and to Sir Nigel Loring, and to these other
	stranger knights. My tongue is a blunt one, and fitter to
	shout word of command than to clear up such a matter as
	this, of which I can myself understand little. This, however,
	I know, that my wife is come of a very sainted race, whom
	God hath in His wisdom endowed with wondrous powers, so
	that Tiphaine Raquenel was known throughout Brittany ere
	ever I first saw her at Dinan. Yet these powers are ever
	used for good, and they are the gift of God and not of the
	devil, which is the difference betwixt white magic and
	black."

	"Perchance it would be as well that we should send for
	Father Stephen," said Sir Tristram.

	"It would be best that he should come," cried the Hospitaller.

	"And bring with him a flask of holy water," added the knight
	of Bohemia.

	"Not so, gentlemen," answered Sir Bertrand. "It is not
	needful that this priest should be called, and it is in my
	mind that in asking for this ye cast some slight shadow or
	slur upon the good name of my wife, as though it were still
	doubtful whether her power came to her from above or below.
	If ye have indeed such a doubt I pray that you will say so,
	that we may discuss the matter in a fitting way."

	"For myself," said Sir Nigel, "I have heard such words fall
	from the lips of this lady that I am of the opinion that
	there is no woman, save only one, who can be in any way
	compared to her in beauty and in goodness. Should any
	gentleman think otherwise, I should deem it great honor to
	run a small course with him, or debate the matter in whatever
	way might be most pleasing to him."

	"Nay, it would ill become me to cast a slur upon a lady who
	is both my guest and the wife of my comrade-in-arms," said
	the Seneschal of Villefranche. "I have perceived also that
	on her mantle there is marked a silver cross, which is
	surely sign enough that there is nought of evil in these
	strange powers which you say that she possesses."

	This argument of the seneschal's appealed so powerfully to
	the Bohemian and to the Hospitaller that they at once
	intimated that their objections had been entirely overcome,
	while even the Lady Rochefort, who had sat shivering and
	crossing herself, ceased to cast glances at the door, and
	allowed her fears to turn to curiosity.

	"Among the gifts which have been vouchsafed to my wife,"
	said Du Guesclin, "there is the wondrous one of seeing into
	the future; but it comes very seldom upon her, and goes as
	quickly, for none can command it. The blessed hour of sight,
	as she hath named it, has come but twice since I have known
	her, and I can vouch for it that all that she hath told me
	was true, for on the evening of the Battle of Auray she
	said that the morrow would be an ill day for me and for
	Charles of Blois. Ere the sun had sunk again he was dead,
	and I the prisoner of Sir John Chandos. Yet it is not every
	question that she can answer, but only those--"

	"Bertrand, Bertrand!" cried the lady in the same muttering
	far-away voice, "the blessed hour passes. Use it, Bertrand,
	while you may."

	"I will, my sweet. Tell me, then, what fortune comes upon
	me?"

	"Danger, Bertrand-deadly, pressing danger-which creeps upon
	you and you know it not."

	The French soldier burst into a thunderous laugh, and his
	green eyes twinkled with amusement. "At what time during
	these twenty years would not that have been a true word?"
	he cried. "Danger is in the air that I breathe. But is this
	so very close, Tiphaine?"

	"Here-now-close upon you!" The words came out in broken,
	strenuous speech, while the lady's fair face was writhed
	and drawn like that of one who looks upon a horror which
	strikes the words from her lips. Du Guesclin gazed round
	the tapestried room, at the screens, the tables, the abace,
	the credence, the buffet with its silver salver, and the
	half-circle of friendly, wondering faces. There was an utter
	stillness, save for the sharp breathing of the Lady Tiphaine
	and for the gentle soughing of the wind outside, which
	wafted to their ears the distant call upon a swine-herd's
	horn.

	"The danger may bide," said he, shrugging his broad shoulders.
	"And now, Tiphaine, tell us what will come of this war in
	Spain."

	"I can see little," she answered, straining her eyes and
	puckering her brow, as one who would fain clear her sight.
	"There are mountains, and dry plains, and flash of arms and
	shouting of battle-cries. Yet it is whispered to me that
	by failure you will succeed."

	"Ha! Sir Nigel, how like you that?" quoth Bertrand, shaking
	his head. "It is like mead and vinegar, half sweet, half
	sour. And is there no question which you would ask my lady?"

	"Certes there is. I would fain know, fair lady, how all
	things are at Twynham Castle, and above all how my sweet
	lady employs herself."

	"To answer this I would fain lay hand upon one whose thoughts
	turn strongly to this castle which you have named. Nay, my
	Lord Loring, it is whispered to me that there is another
	here who hath thought more deeply of it than you."

	"Thought more of mine own home?" cried Sir Nigel. "Lady, I
	fear that in this matter at least you are mistaken."

	"Not so, Sir Nigel. Come hither, young man, young English
	squire with the gray eyes! Now give me your hand, and place
	it here across my brow, that I may see that which you have
	seen. What is this that rises before me? Mist, mist, rolling
	mist with a square black tower above it. See it shreds out,
	it thins, it rises, and there lies a castle in green plain,
	with the sea beneath it, and a great church within a bow-shot.
	There are two rivers which run through the meadows, and
	between them lie the tents of the besiegers."

	"The besiegers!" cried Alleyne, Ford, and Sir Nigel, all
	three in a breath.

	"Yes, truly, and they press hard upon the castle, for they
	are an exceeding multitude and full of courage. See how
	they storm and rage against the gate, while some rear
	ladders, and others, line after line, sweep the walls with
	their arrows. There are many leaders who shout and beckon,
	and one, a tall man with a golden beard, who stands before
	the gate stamping his foot and hallooing them on, as a
	pricker doth the hounds. But those in the castle fight
	bravely. There is a woman, two women, who stand upon the
	walls, and give heart to the men-at-arms. They shower down
	arrows, darts and great stones. Ah! they have struck down
	the tall leader, and the others give back. The mist thickens
	and I can see no more."

	"By Saint Paul!" said Sir Nigel, "I do not think that there
	can be any such doings at Christchurch, and I am very easy
	of the fortalice so long as my sweet wife hangs the key of
	the outer bailey at the head of her bed. Yet I will not
	deny that you have pictured the castle as well as I could
	have done myself, and I am full of wonderment at all that
	I have heard and seen."

	"I would, Lady Tiphaine," cried the Lady Rochefort, "that
	you would use your power to tell me what hath befallen my
	golden bracelet which I wore when hawking upon the second
	Sunday of Advent, and have never set eyes upon since."

	"Nay, lady," said du Guesclin, "it does not befit so great
	and wondrous a power to pry and search and play the varlet
	even to the beautiful chatelaine of Villefranche. Ask a
	worthy question, and, with the blessing of God, you shall
	have a worthy answer."

	"Then I would fain ask," cried one of the French squires,
	"as to which may hope to conquer in these wars betwixt the
	English and ourselves."

	"Both will conquer and each will hold its own," answered
	the Lady Tiphaine.

	"Then we shall still hold Gascony and Guienne?" cried Sir
	Nigel.

	The lady shook her head. "French land, French blood, French
	speech," she answered. "They are French, and France shall
	have them."

	"But not Bordeaux?" cried Sir Nigel excitedly.

	"Bordeaux also is for France."

	"But Calais?"

	"Calais too."

	"Woe worth me then, and ill hail to these evil words! If
	Bordeaux and Calais be gone, then what is left for England?"

	"It seems indeed that there are evil times coming upon your
	country," said Du Guesclin. "In our fondest hopes we never
	thought to hold Bordeaux. By Saint Ives! this news hath
	warmed the heart within me. Our dear country will then be
	very great in the future, Tiphaine?"

	"Great, and rich, and beautiful," she cried. "Far down the
	course of time I can see her still leading the nations, a
	wayward queen among the peoples, great in war, but greater
	in peace, quick in thought, deft in action, with her people's
	will for her sole monarch, from the sands of Calais to the
	blue seas of the south."

	"Ha!" cried Du Guesclin, with his eyes flashing in triumph,
	"you hear her, Sir Nigel?-and she never yet said word which
	was not sooth."

	The English knight shook his head moodily. "What of my own
	poor country?" said he. "I fear, lady, that what you have
	said bodes but small good for her."

	The lady sat with parted lips, and her breath came quick
	and fast. "My God!" she cried, "what is this that is shown
	me? Whence come they, these peoples, these lordly nations,
	these mighty countries which rise up before me? I look
	beyond, and others rise, and yet others, far and farther
	to the shores of the uttermost waters. They crowd! They
	swarm! The world is given to them, and it resounds with the
	clang of their hammers and the ringing of their church
	bells. They call them many names, and they rule them this
	way or that but they are all English, for I can hear the
	voices of the people. On I go, and onwards over seas where
	man hath never yet sailed, and I see a great land under new
	stars and a stranger sky, and still the land is England.
	Where have her children not gone? What have they not done?
	Her banner is planted on ice. Her banner is scorched in the
	sun. She lies athwart the lands, and her shadow is over the
	seas. Bertrand, Bertrand! we are undone for the buds of her
	bud are even as our choicest flower!" Her voice rose into
	a wild cry, and throwing up her arms she sank back white
	and nerveless into the deep oaken chair.

	"It is over," said Du Guesclin moodily, as he raised her
	drooping head with his strong brown hand. "Wine for the
	lady, squire! The blessed hour of sight hath passed."



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#487096

FromD B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
Date2018-02-22 16:26 +0000
Message-ID<20180222a@crcomp.net>
In reply to#487088
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> The Brits were
> large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their
> little island.

LOL. Back to their own little City on their little island, firmly in the
saddle, so to speak...

    The City of London

    London's economic importance cannot be underestimated. In terms
    of industries, it is the financial sector which is the most
    important. Although creative, media, technology and
    manufacturing industries all operate from London, it is the
    financial services sector which dominates them all. Most of
    the banking, underwriting and trading markets that operate in
    the capital are base in the City of London.

    http://www.uncsbrp.org/

    London's Finance Industry

    London has been the financial hub of the United Kingdom and a
    major trade and business centre since the Middle Ages. Today
    the city competes with New York City for the status of the
    world's major financial centre.

    Other emerging financial centres of the world such as Hong
    Kong and Shanghai gain ground, but cannot hope to displace
    London as the world's premier financial city in the near
    future. ...

    http://www.uncsbrp.org/finance.htm

    Don't let the City-Manhattan "competition" fool you. It's a clubby
little relationship best described as a partnership in everything but
name. The City's the senior partner and Manhattan's the junior partner.
    Take the FX market, for instance. The FX market is the largest
market in the world. The City controls about 36% of the FX market while
Manhattan controls 18% of it.

Thank you,

--
Don

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#487110

FromRobert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com>
Date2018-02-22 14:05 -0800
Message-ID<8daddbcf-f9f6-4f60-8612-e0c0816fc39f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#487096
>     The City of London
> 
>     London's economic importance cannot be underestimated.
> 
>     http://www.uncsbrp.org/

It's not easy.  But I bet Donald Trump can do it.

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#487123

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2018-02-22 21:11 -0500
Message-ID<hvtu8dlah3s9ch0mo5sbgqlh8e9easlpla@4ax.com>
In reply to#487096
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:26:29 -0000 (UTC), D B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
wrote:

>
>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> The Brits were
>> large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their
>> little island.
>
>LOL. Back to their own little City on their little island, firmly in the
>saddle, so to speak...
>
>    The City of London
>
>    London's economic importance cannot be underestimated. In terms
>    of industries, it is the financial sector which is the most
>    important. Although creative, media, technology and
>    manufacturing industries all operate from London, it is the
>    financial services sector which dominates them all. Most of
>    the banking, underwriting and trading markets that operate in
>    the capital are base in the City of London.
>
>    http://www.uncsbrp.org/
>
>    London's Finance Industry
>
>    London has been the financial hub of the United Kingdom and a
>    major trade and business centre since the Middle Ages. Today
>    the city competes with New York City for the status of the
>    world's major financial centre.
>
>    Other emerging financial centres of the world such as Hong
>    Kong and Shanghai gain ground, but cannot hope to displace
>    London as the world's premier financial city in the near
>    future. ...
>
>    http://www.uncsbrp.org/finance.htm
>
>    Don't let the City-Manhattan "competition" fool you. It's a clubby
>little relationship best described as a partnership in everything but
>name. The City's the senior partner and Manhattan's the junior partner.
>    Take the FX market, for instance. The FX market is the largest
>market in the world. The City controls about 36% of the FX market while
>Manhattan controls 18% of it.

We were talking about _dominance_.  "Financial centers" don't provide
much dominance of anything but pieces of paper.

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#487128

FromDavid Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>
Date2018-02-22 19:35 -0700
Message-ID<p6num5$1rdh$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#487123
On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote:

> We were talking about _dominance_.  "Financial centers" don't provide
> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper.
> 

Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing.
Of course the reason why the reason why the United States overtook 
Britain in terms of military and cultural ascendency is because it had 
more land area and grew to have a lot more people.  When it's Earth 
versus colonies in space the colonies probably won't have significantly 
more land and Earth has a big head start in population.  Eventually some 
colonies would overtake it, but it would take a long time.

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#487144

FromBernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com>
Date2018-02-23 11:00 +0000
Message-ID<KvSjC.227287$O_7.153616@fx36.am4>
In reply to#487128
On 23/02/18 02:35, David Johnston wrote:
> On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> 
>> We were talking about _dominance_.  "Financial centers" don't provide
>> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper.
>>
> 
> Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing.

Particularly those pretty green ones.



-- 
Bernard Peek
bap@shrdlu.com

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#487149

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2018-02-23 07:38 -0500
Message-ID<bo209dlrqh5dhehdbf47iblo09372n78k6@4ax.com>
In reply to#487144
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:00:58 +0000, Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com>
wrote:

>On 23/02/18 02:35, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> 
>>> We were talking about _dominance_.  "Financial centers" don't provide
>>> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper.
>>>
>> 
>> Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing.
>
>Particularly those pretty green ones.

The pieces of paper are a counter.  In our current time when people
become wealthy by manipulating the values of pieces of paper we forget
that.  But they are a counter, they have no inherent worth.

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#487169

FromDavid Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>
Date2018-02-23 13:43 -0700
Message-ID<p6pudk$dcd$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#487149
On 2018-02-23 5:38 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:00:58 +0000, Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 23/02/18 02:35, David Johnston wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> We were talking about _dominance_.  "Financial centers" don't provide
>>>> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing.
>>
>> Particularly those pretty green ones.
> 
> The pieces of paper are a counter.  In our current time when people
> become wealthy by manipulating the values of pieces of paper we forget
> that.  

No.  We don't.  We also know that borders aren't physical obstacles and 
races are defined by culture.  And we know these things matter anyway.

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#487148

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2018-02-23 07:37 -0500
Message-ID<dl209d98grgibmleed8i4ilrdrj6rq7ed1@4ax.com>
In reply to#487128
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:35:51 -0700, David Johnston
<davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> We were talking about _dominance_.  "Financial centers" don't provide
>> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper.
>> 
>
>Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing.
>Of course the reason why the reason why the United States overtook 
>Britain in terms of military and cultural ascendency is because it had 
>more land area and grew to have a lot more people.

China had more land area and more people.  So did India.  There's more
to dominance than land area and population.

>When it's Earth 
>versus colonies in space the colonies probably won't have significantly 
>more land and Earth has a big head start in population.  Eventually some 
>colonies would overtake it, but it would take a long time.

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#487170

FromDavid Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>
Date2018-02-23 13:52 -0700
Message-ID<p6putm$euq$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#487148
On 2018-02-23 5:37 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:35:51 -0700, David Johnston
> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> We were talking about _dominance_.  "Financial centers" don't provide
>>> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper.
>>>
>>
>> Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing.
>> Of course the reason why the reason why the United States overtook
>> Britain in terms of military and cultural ascendency is because it had
>> more land area and grew to have a lot more people.
> 
> China had more land area and more people.  So did India.  

China was the richest and most powerful nation in the world but simply 
lacked the technology and inclination to expand much farther than it 
already had.  But an Earth that colonizes the stars by definition has 
both the technology and the inclination. Unless it runs into equally or 
more powerful aliens it will take a long time to stop being the center 
of human civilization...barring a catastrophe that takes it out of the 
game.


There's more
> to dominance than land area and population.
> 

There is, yes.  But not a lot more.

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#487180

FromD B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
Date2018-02-24 03:12 +0000
Message-ID<20180223a@crcomp.net>
In reply to#487123
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:26:29 -0000 (UTC), D B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> The Brits were
>>> large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their
>>> little island.
>>
>>LOL. Back to their own little City on their little island, firmly in the
>>saddle, so to speak...
>>
>>    The City of London
>>
>>    London's economic importance cannot be underestimated. In terms
>>    of industries, it is the financial sector which is the most
>>    important. Although creative, media, technology and
>>    manufacturing industries all operate from London, it is the
>>    financial services sector which dominates them all. Most of
>>    the banking, underwriting and trading markets that operate in
>>    the capital are base in the City of London.
>>
>>    http://www.uncsbrp.org/
>>
>>    London's Finance Industry
>>
>>    London has been the financial hub of the United Kingdom and a
>>    major trade and business centre since the Middle Ages. Today
>>    the city competes with New York City for the status of the
>>    world's major financial centre.
>>
>>    Other emerging financial centres of the world such as Hong
>>    Kong and Shanghai gain ground, but cannot hope to displace
>>    London as the world's premier financial city in the near
>>    future. ...
>>
>>    http://www.uncsbrp.org/finance.htm
>>
>>    Don't let the City-Manhattan "competition" fool you. It's a clubby
>>little relationship best described as a partnership in everything but
>>name. The City's the senior partner and Manhattan's the junior partner.
>>    Take the FX market, for instance. The FX market is the largest
>>market in the world. The City controls about 36% of the FX market while
>>Manhattan controls 18% of it.
>
> We were talking about _dominance_.  "Financial centers" don't provide
> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper.

Those pieces (bits) of paper empower America to pay for ten billion
dollar aircraft carriers. Those bits enable America afford a thousand
foreign military bases. Those bits allow America to surreptitiously
balance its books with a twenty-one trillion dollar "plug" to cover
unauthorized expenditures. [1]
    And where does all of that loot come from? Government squeezes
people harder than the Squeezer in "The Logic of Empire" (RAH). You
pay a little more for a little less each day.

    "The sinews of war are infinite money." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

Here's some excerpts from "Logic" to help you better appreciate
financial dominance.
  
    ... without it he could not /get to sleep/. Three nights of
    self-recrimination and fretting, three days of fatigue-drugged
    uselessness under the unfriendly eye of the Pusher, and he had
    signed for his bottle with the rest, even though dully aware
    that the price of the bottle had washed out more than half a
    day's microscopic progress towards freedom. ...

    ... It cost more to make a crop than the crop fetched in
    Adonis - at least it did after the interest was paid. ...

Note.

1. http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2017/msu-scholars-find-21-trillion-in-unauthorized-government-spending-defense-department-to-conduct/

Thank you,

--
Don

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#487183

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2018-02-24 01:08 -0500
Message-ID<uvv19d92vijjitmkg9i90p4mbpjrfiiara@4ax.com>
In reply to#487180
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:12:51 -0000 (UTC), D B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
wrote:

>
>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:26:29 -0000 (UTC), D B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>> The Brits were
>>>> large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their
>>>> little island.
>>>
>>>LOL. Back to their own little City on their little island, firmly in the
>>>saddle, so to speak...
>>>
>>>    The City of London
>>>
>>>    London's economic importance cannot be underestimated. In terms
>>>    of industries, it is the financial sector which is the most
>>>    important. Although creative, media, technology and
>>>    manufacturing industries all operate from London, it is the
>>>    financial services sector which dominates them all. Most of
>>>    the banking, underwriting and trading markets that operate in
>>>    the capital are base in the City of London.
>>>
>>>    http://www.uncsbrp.org/
>>>
>>>    London's Finance Industry
>>>
>>>    London has been the financial hub of the United Kingdom and a
>>>    major trade and business centre since the Middle Ages. Today
>>>    the city competes with New York City for the status of the
>>>    world's major financial centre.
>>>
>>>    Other emerging financial centres of the world such as Hong
>>>    Kong and Shanghai gain ground, but cannot hope to displace
>>>    London as the world's premier financial city in the near
>>>    future. ...
>>>
>>>    http://www.uncsbrp.org/finance.htm
>>>
>>>    Don't let the City-Manhattan "competition" fool you. It's a clubby
>>>little relationship best described as a partnership in everything but
>>>name. The City's the senior partner and Manhattan's the junior partner.
>>>    Take the FX market, for instance. The FX market is the largest
>>>market in the world. The City controls about 36% of the FX market while
>>>Manhattan controls 18% of it.
>>
>> We were talking about _dominance_.  "Financial centers" don't provide
>> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper.
>
>Those pieces (bits) of paper empower America to pay for ten billion
>dollar aircraft carriers.

The goverment funds aircraft carriers by selling financial instruments
in "financial centers"?  Do tell.

>Those bits enable America afford a thousand
>foreign military bases.

The goverment funds aircraft carriers by selling financial instruments
in "financial centers"?  Do tell.

>Those bits allow America to surreptitiously
>balance its books with a twenty-one trillion dollar "plug" to cover
>unauthorized expenditures. [1]

Still nothing to do with "financial centers".

>    And where does all of that loot come from? Government squeezes
>people harder than the Squeezer in "The Logic of Empire" (RAH). You
>pay a little more for a little less each day.

Yeah, I feel squeezed real bad.

>    "The sinews of war are infinite money." - Marcus Tullius Cicero
>
>Here's some excerpts from "Logic" to help you better appreciate
>financial dominance.
>  
>    ... without it he could not /get to sleep/. Three nights of
>    self-recrimination and fretting, three days of fatigue-drugged
>    uselessness under the unfriendly eye of the Pusher, and he had
>    signed for his bottle with the rest, even though dully aware
>    that the price of the bottle had washed out more than half a
>    day's microscopic progress towards freedom. ...
>
>    ... It cost more to make a crop than the crop fetched in
>    Adonis - at least it did after the interest was paid. ...
>
>Note.
>
>1. http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2017/msu-scholars-find-21-trillion-in-unauthorized-government-spending-defense-department-to-conduct/
>
>Thank you,

A bottle of Glenlivet costs me about an hour's pay.  Maybe Heinlein
struggles to pay for liquor but people with real jobs don't.

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