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| Started by | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-02-18 15:58 -0600 |
| Last post | 2018-02-19 16:08 -0600 |
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_Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-18 15:58 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-18 15:05 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-19 16:06 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-19 15:15 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-19 20:00 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-02-19 18:34 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-19 21:00 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-19 23:04 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-19 21:19 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 07:44 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-20 12:59 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-02-20 13:14 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 21:17 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-02-20 21:15 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 01:59 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-20 23:07 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 21:11 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-21 21:35 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 07:06 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-22 19:25 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 12:58 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 20:09 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-22 18:59 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 22:10 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-02-22 23:32 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 13:25 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-02-21 21:38 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 07:14 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-22 15:20 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-22 16:26 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-02-22 14:05 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 21:11 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-22 19:35 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> - 2018-02-23 11:00 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 07:38 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-23 13:43 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 07:37 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-23 13:52 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-24 03:12 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 01:08 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-24 15:05 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 11:33 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-02-24 10:09 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-24 18:26 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 17:39 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-25 01:27 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-24 10:21 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-02-26 15:04 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-22 10:17 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-22 19:58 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-02-22 20:58 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 16:57 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 21:14 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-22 19:41 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 07:40 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-23 04:31 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> - 2018-02-23 11:05 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 07:41 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-23 07:34 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-23 16:16 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 19:52 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-24 01:08 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 01:14 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-24 06:27 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 01:53 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-24 07:16 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 08:40 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-02-24 17:05 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 12:38 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-02-24 10:10 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-02-26 21:45 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-27 07:35 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-02-27 05:20 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-23 18:19 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 01:14 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-23 23:28 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> - 2018-02-24 12:51 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 08:43 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 16:54 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 21:54 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:30 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-04 15:03 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:38 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-05 18:06 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 22:15 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 00:58 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> - 2018-03-06 21:29 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-03-14 01:30 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-03-03 04:40 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-04 03:15 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-04 05:30 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:31 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-05 19:28 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-05 20:07 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 13:17 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-05 21:13 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-05 20:35 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:42 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 22:18 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 21:14 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:03 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 07:06 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 10:29 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 12:20 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 11:38 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:20 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-06 13:09 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-06 22:04 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-06 14:49 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:28 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-07 14:17 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-07 23:26 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-07 23:25 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-03-14 01:34 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-06 13:09 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 14:33 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 15:04 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:57 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:44 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 16:35 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 13:06 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-07 16:30 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-07 19:24 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-03 09:52 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:40 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-02-23 22:56 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-24 00:04 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-02-26 21:43 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-27 07:38 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 13:45 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 14:35 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-02-26 21:33 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-02-27 07:40 -0500
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-02-21 03:05 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-02-20 19:19 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 12:40 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-20 13:00 -0700
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-19 22:15 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 12:41 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-02-26 21:29 -0600
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-19 05:40 +0000
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-02-18 22:50 -0800
Re: _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-02-19 16:08 -0600
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| From | "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-24 12:58 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <p6sckf$c08$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #487104 |
On 2018-02-22 13:25, Default User wrote: > J. Clarke wrote: > >> So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the >> "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters? > > Sheesh. How about trimming quotes a bit? Yes, please do this. -- Michael F. Stemper The FAQ for rec.arts.sf.written is at: http://leepers.us/evelyn/faqs/sf-written Please read it before posting.
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-22 20:09 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <p6nt50$lo1$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #487087 |
On 2/22/2018 6:06 AM, J. Clarke wrote: ... >> The English settlement of the New World was done by religious extremists >> without Royal Navy support, so not applicable. > > So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the > "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters? Which time ? I'm not sure how much involved the Royal Navy was in the late 1700s. But they sure were involved in the War of 1812. Lynn
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2018-02-22 18:59 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <p6o02g$4b6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #487087 |
On 2/22/2018 4:06 AM, J. Clarke wrote: > On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:35:12 -0800, Dimensional Traveler > <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: > >> On 2/21/2018 6:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 23:07:22 -0800, Dimensional Traveler >>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/20/2018 10:59 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:15:28 -0800 (PST), mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 7:59:55 PM UTC, David Johnston wrote: >>>>>>> On 2018-02-20 5:44 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:19:07 -0700, David Johnston >>>>>>>> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-19 9:04 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:00:55 -0700, David Johnston >>>>>>>>>> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-19 7:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/19/2018 4:15 PM, David Johnston wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-19 3:06 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 4:05 PM, David Johnston wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-18 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _Nimbus (A Psi-Tech Novel) _ by Jacey Bedford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/0756411890/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Book number three of a three books series. I read the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> printed and bound MMPB. I doubt that there will be any more books >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the series since this book fairly closed all of the loose ends. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the best of the best SF genre for me, space opera with psi. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The story concerns the the fact that the Folds, used for FTL space >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel, have become dangerous for space ship passage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The booked was flawed for me though by the constant mention of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man-made climate change supposedly almost rendering the Earth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uninhabitable in the 21st century. Man-made climate change theory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is junk science >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So's the EMP apocalypse. But a depopulating catastrophe is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excellent way to move your science fiction universe into the state >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where interstellar civilization is no longer Earth centered. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Half of the Earth's population would leave the planet if they could >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The other half wouldn't. And "if they could" is a big sticking point. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The mere ability to move some people offworld does not convert into >>>>>>>>>>>>> the capacity to move vast quantities of people inexpensively. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I was replying to your statement that Ms. Bedford needed a plot device >>>>>>>>>>>> to get people off the Earth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that wasn't my statement. As long as Earth is the oldest, most >>>>>>>>>>> populous, most developed world, it most most likely be the most >>>>>>>>>>> powerful. Thus you end up with an Earth centered setting with the >>>>>>>>>>> colony worlds on the periphery. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really work that way. China and India are both more >>>>>>>>>> "populous" than the US or Europe, and have older civilizations, but >>>>>>>>>> they have not been dominant. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They were dominant for a very long time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Who did they dominate? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Europeans only overtook >>>>>>>>> them because they were so dominant that the Europeans wanted to come to >>>>>>>>> them for trade >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The US engaged in a lot of trade with Africa during the early 1800s. >>>>>>>> Does that make Africa "dominant"? I'm sorry but you are conflating >>>>>>>> "having a valuable good to sell" and "representing a large potential >>>>>>>> market" with "being dominant". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and ended up traveling the world looking for better >>>>>>>>> routes to get there while they had no interest in venturing far afield. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So if they didn't "venture afield" then who did they dominate? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The same thing does not apply to an Earth that is actually founding >>>>>>>>> colonies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So by you logic Hong Kong, India and the US are dominated by England, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Britain was the dominant world power for quite a long time >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the Phillippines are dominated by Spain, Brazil is dominated by >>>>>>>> Portugal, and so on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now it's possible for such an Earth to just lose interest but >>>>>>>>> unless you are set unimaginably far in the future all you'll still end >>>>>>>>> up with all the well-developed populous and powerful worlds being the >>>>>>>>> ones that were initially close to Earth and hospitable. Still Earth >>>>>>>>> centered. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, until one of them turns into Rome/the US/Manticore. >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately for Hornblower in Space, Britain had geographical advantages that determined its strategy - geographical advantages that don't have an obvious equivalent in space. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Even before it gained control of the seas, the English channel sheltered Britain from most risk of invasion from the continent. It could therefore make as much or as little trouble on the continent as it wanted, while still having the option to retreat back across the channel if things got too hot for it. In particular, it had the incentive to put much more of its resource into a Navy and much less into a standing Army. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) A large Navy, plus good ports and a blocking position translates into the ability to blockade ports in the continent and make commercial as well as military use of those ports less attractive, hence the predominance over Holland, and the rise to command of the seas. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unless you have an FTL technology which gives travel between the stars a very non-uniform difficulty, no one planet is likely to have this sort of a positional advantage. >>>>> >>>>> And how exactly did that "positional advantage" help them in India, >>>>> China, and the New World? >>>>> >>>> It gave the natural incentive to build a massive navy; >>> >>> Nice notion. Except the Royal Navy was not much bigger than the >>> French navy in 1792. >>> >>>> and strong >>>> maritime tradition, which gave rise to the mindset and ability to go to >>>> far away places and interfere in other people's business. >>> >>> So how did that work out in the New World? >>> >> The English settlement of the New World was done by religious extremists >> without Royal Navy support, so not applicable. > > So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the > "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters? > I don't think the religious extremists were ever a threat to the British monarchy. -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-22 22:10 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <p6o47e$qj8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #487133 |
On 2/22/2018 8:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
...
>>> The English settlement of the New World was done by religious extremists
>>> without Royal Navy support, so not applicable.
>>
>> So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the
>> "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters?
>>
> I don't think the religious extremists were ever a threat to the British
> monarchy.
Including the one who cut off King Charles's head in 1649 ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell
Lynn
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-22 23:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <00c32c34-fff6-479b-bb4e-fe3d74434eda@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #487135 |
On Friday, 23 February 2018 04:10:26 UTC, Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 2/22/2018 8:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote: > ... > >>> The English settlement of the New World was done by religious extremists > >>> without Royal Navy support, so not applicable. > >> > >> So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the > >> "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters? > >> > > I don't think the religious extremists were ever a threat to the British > > monarchy. > > Including the one who cut off King Charles's head in 1649 ? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell > > Lynn Wasn't Chuck the religious extremist? "Divine right of kings."
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-23 13:25 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <p6ppr1$ufq$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #487141 |
On 2/23/2018 1:32 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote: > On Friday, 23 February 2018 04:10:26 UTC, Lynn McGuire wrote: >> On 2/22/2018 8:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >> ... >>>>> The English settlement of the New World was done by religious extremists >>>>> without Royal Navy support, so not applicable. >>>> >>>> So the Royal Navy was not involved in the attempt to keep the >>>> "religious extremists" from kicking out their British masters? >>>> >>> I don't think the religious extremists were ever a threat to the British >>> monarchy. >> >> Including the one who cut off King Charles's head in 1649 ? >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell >> >> Lynn > > Wasn't Chuck the religious extremist? "Divine right of kings." There were many. I believe that Mary was the worst as she was burning protestants. Lynn
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| From | mcdowell_ag@sky.com |
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| Date | 2018-02-21 21:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3e061571-4a5b-48c0-aa51-82ef1056b719@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #487081 |
(trimmed) > >>> > >>> Unfortunately for Hornblower in Space, Britain had geographical advantages that determined its strategy - geographical advantages that don't have an obvious equivalent in space. > >>> > >>> 1) Even before it gained control of the seas, the English channel sheltered Britain from most risk of invasion from the continent. It could therefore make as much or as little trouble on the continent as it wanted, while still having the option to retreat back across the channel if things got too hot for it. In particular, it had the incentive to put much more of its resource into a Navy and much less into a standing Army. > >>> > >>> 2) A large Navy, plus good ports and a blocking position translates into the ability to blockade ports in the continent and make commercial as well as military use of those ports less attractive, hence the predominance over Holland, and the rise to command of the seas. > >>> > >>> Unless you have an FTL technology which gives travel between the stars a very non-uniform difficulty, no one planet is likely to have this sort of a positional advantage. > >> > >> And how exactly did that "positional advantage" help them in India, > >> China, and the New World? > >> > >It gave the natural incentive to build a massive navy; > > Nice notion. Except the Royal Navy was not much bigger than the > French navy in 1792. > > >and strong > >maritime tradition, which gave rise to the mindset and ability to go to > >far away places and interfere in other people's business. > > So how did that work out in the New World? Britain attained command of the seas after Trafalgar in 1805. Wikipedia says "The British victory spectacularly confirmed the naval supremacy that Britain had established during the eighteenth century and was achieved in part through Nelson's departure from the prevailing naval tactical orthodoxy" If you want a guide to the growth of the Empire, I recommend "Britain's Imperial Century, 1815-1914: A Study of Empire and Expansion (Cambridge Commonwealth Series)" by Ronald Hyam. This tells a complex and somewhat accidental story without any particular ideological bias, except for a slight attachment to a theory that the force that impelled many Brits to go out into the empire was a search for a less restrained sex life. I think one of the foundations present at the start of the revolutionary wars was that Britain had a large pool of merchant seamen to draw on, having gained an ascendancy over their principle rivals, the Dutch.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-22 07:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <alct8dplbkq4h88v8em69o43f2bhk0rf9d@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #487084 |
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:38:34 -0800 (PST), mcdowell_ag@sky.com wrote: >(trimmed) >> >>> >> >>> Unfortunately for Hornblower in Space, Britain had geographical advantages that determined its strategy - geographical advantages that don't have an obvious equivalent in space. >> >>> >> >>> 1) Even before it gained control of the seas, the English channel sheltered Britain from most risk of invasion from the continent. It could therefore make as much or as little trouble on the continent as it wanted, while still having the option to retreat back across the channel if things got too hot for it. In particular, it had the incentive to put much more of its resource into a Navy and much less into a standing Army. >> >>> >> >>> 2) A large Navy, plus good ports and a blocking position translates into the ability to blockade ports in the continent and make commercial as well as military use of those ports less attractive, hence the predominance over Holland, and the rise to command of the seas. >> >>> >> >>> Unless you have an FTL technology which gives travel between the stars a very non-uniform difficulty, no one planet is likely to have this sort of a positional advantage. >> >> >> >> And how exactly did that "positional advantage" help them in India, >> >> China, and the New World? >> >> >> >It gave the natural incentive to build a massive navy; >> >> Nice notion. Except the Royal Navy was not much bigger than the >> French navy in 1792. >> >> >and strong >> >maritime tradition, which gave rise to the mindset and ability to go to >> >far away places and interfere in other people's business. >> >> So how did that work out in the New World? > >Britain attained command of the seas after Trafalgar in 1805. Wikipedia says "The British victory spectacularly confirmed the naval supremacy that Britain had established during the eighteenth century" So according to your source, that supremacy was achieved before 1800, contradicting your assertion. The "eighteenth century" was 1700-1799. And that "command" managed a draw with Germany in > "and was achieved in part through Nelson's departure from the prevailing naval tactical orthodoxy" If you want a guide to the growth of the Empire, I recommend "Britain's Imperial Century, 1815-1914: A Study of Empire and Expansion (Cambridge Commonwealth Series)" by Ronald Hyam. This tells a complex and somewhat accidental story without any particular ideological bias, except for a slight attachment to a theory that the force that impelled many Brits to go out into the empire was a search for a less restrained sex life. I think one of the foundations present at the start of the revolutionary wars was that Britain had a large pool of merchant seamen to draw on, having gained an ascendancy over their principle rivals, the Dutch. The rest of this pretty much supports my viewpoint. The Brits were large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their little island.
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-02-22 15:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ff85daF26aiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #487088 |
In article <alct8dplbkq4h88v8em69o43f2bhk0rf9d@4ax.com>, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >The rest of this pretty much supports my viewpoint. The Brits were >large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their >little island. That's one way of looking at it. Conan Doyle's seems equally valid: "All is very well with me, Bertrand," said she. "The blessed hour of sight has come round to me again." "I could see it come! I could see it come!" he exclaimed, passing his fingers through his hair with the same perplexed expression as before. "This is untoward, Sir Tristram," he said at last. "And I scarce know in what words to make it clear to you, and to your fair wife, and to Sir Nigel Loring, and to these other stranger knights. My tongue is a blunt one, and fitter to shout word of command than to clear up such a matter as this, of which I can myself understand little. This, however, I know, that my wife is come of a very sainted race, whom God hath in His wisdom endowed with wondrous powers, so that Tiphaine Raquenel was known throughout Brittany ere ever I first saw her at Dinan. Yet these powers are ever used for good, and they are the gift of God and not of the devil, which is the difference betwixt white magic and black." "Perchance it would be as well that we should send for Father Stephen," said Sir Tristram. "It would be best that he should come," cried the Hospitaller. "And bring with him a flask of holy water," added the knight of Bohemia. "Not so, gentlemen," answered Sir Bertrand. "It is not needful that this priest should be called, and it is in my mind that in asking for this ye cast some slight shadow or slur upon the good name of my wife, as though it were still doubtful whether her power came to her from above or below. If ye have indeed such a doubt I pray that you will say so, that we may discuss the matter in a fitting way." "For myself," said Sir Nigel, "I have heard such words fall from the lips of this lady that I am of the opinion that there is no woman, save only one, who can be in any way compared to her in beauty and in goodness. Should any gentleman think otherwise, I should deem it great honor to run a small course with him, or debate the matter in whatever way might be most pleasing to him." "Nay, it would ill become me to cast a slur upon a lady who is both my guest and the wife of my comrade-in-arms," said the Seneschal of Villefranche. "I have perceived also that on her mantle there is marked a silver cross, which is surely sign enough that there is nought of evil in these strange powers which you say that she possesses." This argument of the seneschal's appealed so powerfully to the Bohemian and to the Hospitaller that they at once intimated that their objections had been entirely overcome, while even the Lady Rochefort, who had sat shivering and crossing herself, ceased to cast glances at the door, and allowed her fears to turn to curiosity. "Among the gifts which have been vouchsafed to my wife," said Du Guesclin, "there is the wondrous one of seeing into the future; but it comes very seldom upon her, and goes as quickly, for none can command it. The blessed hour of sight, as she hath named it, has come but twice since I have known her, and I can vouch for it that all that she hath told me was true, for on the evening of the Battle of Auray she said that the morrow would be an ill day for me and for Charles of Blois. Ere the sun had sunk again he was dead, and I the prisoner of Sir John Chandos. Yet it is not every question that she can answer, but only those--" "Bertrand, Bertrand!" cried the lady in the same muttering far-away voice, "the blessed hour passes. Use it, Bertrand, while you may." "I will, my sweet. Tell me, then, what fortune comes upon me?" "Danger, Bertrand-deadly, pressing danger-which creeps upon you and you know it not." The French soldier burst into a thunderous laugh, and his green eyes twinkled with amusement. "At what time during these twenty years would not that have been a true word?" he cried. "Danger is in the air that I breathe. But is this so very close, Tiphaine?" "Here-now-close upon you!" The words came out in broken, strenuous speech, while the lady's fair face was writhed and drawn like that of one who looks upon a horror which strikes the words from her lips. Du Guesclin gazed round the tapestried room, at the screens, the tables, the abace, the credence, the buffet with its silver salver, and the half-circle of friendly, wondering faces. There was an utter stillness, save for the sharp breathing of the Lady Tiphaine and for the gentle soughing of the wind outside, which wafted to their ears the distant call upon a swine-herd's horn. "The danger may bide," said he, shrugging his broad shoulders. "And now, Tiphaine, tell us what will come of this war in Spain." "I can see little," she answered, straining her eyes and puckering her brow, as one who would fain clear her sight. "There are mountains, and dry plains, and flash of arms and shouting of battle-cries. Yet it is whispered to me that by failure you will succeed." "Ha! Sir Nigel, how like you that?" quoth Bertrand, shaking his head. "It is like mead and vinegar, half sweet, half sour. And is there no question which you would ask my lady?" "Certes there is. I would fain know, fair lady, how all things are at Twynham Castle, and above all how my sweet lady employs herself." "To answer this I would fain lay hand upon one whose thoughts turn strongly to this castle which you have named. Nay, my Lord Loring, it is whispered to me that there is another here who hath thought more deeply of it than you." "Thought more of mine own home?" cried Sir Nigel. "Lady, I fear that in this matter at least you are mistaken." "Not so, Sir Nigel. Come hither, young man, young English squire with the gray eyes! Now give me your hand, and place it here across my brow, that I may see that which you have seen. What is this that rises before me? Mist, mist, rolling mist with a square black tower above it. See it shreds out, it thins, it rises, and there lies a castle in green plain, with the sea beneath it, and a great church within a bow-shot. There are two rivers which run through the meadows, and between them lie the tents of the besiegers." "The besiegers!" cried Alleyne, Ford, and Sir Nigel, all three in a breath. "Yes, truly, and they press hard upon the castle, for they are an exceeding multitude and full of courage. See how they storm and rage against the gate, while some rear ladders, and others, line after line, sweep the walls with their arrows. There are many leaders who shout and beckon, and one, a tall man with a golden beard, who stands before the gate stamping his foot and hallooing them on, as a pricker doth the hounds. But those in the castle fight bravely. There is a woman, two women, who stand upon the walls, and give heart to the men-at-arms. They shower down arrows, darts and great stones. Ah! they have struck down the tall leader, and the others give back. The mist thickens and I can see no more." "By Saint Paul!" said Sir Nigel, "I do not think that there can be any such doings at Christchurch, and I am very easy of the fortalice so long as my sweet wife hangs the key of the outer bailey at the head of her bed. Yet I will not deny that you have pictured the castle as well as I could have done myself, and I am full of wonderment at all that I have heard and seen." "I would, Lady Tiphaine," cried the Lady Rochefort, "that you would use your power to tell me what hath befallen my golden bracelet which I wore when hawking upon the second Sunday of Advent, and have never set eyes upon since." "Nay, lady," said du Guesclin, "it does not befit so great and wondrous a power to pry and search and play the varlet even to the beautiful chatelaine of Villefranche. Ask a worthy question, and, with the blessing of God, you shall have a worthy answer." "Then I would fain ask," cried one of the French squires, "as to which may hope to conquer in these wars betwixt the English and ourselves." "Both will conquer and each will hold its own," answered the Lady Tiphaine. "Then we shall still hold Gascony and Guienne?" cried Sir Nigel. The lady shook her head. "French land, French blood, French speech," she answered. "They are French, and France shall have them." "But not Bordeaux?" cried Sir Nigel excitedly. "Bordeaux also is for France." "But Calais?" "Calais too." "Woe worth me then, and ill hail to these evil words! If Bordeaux and Calais be gone, then what is left for England?" "It seems indeed that there are evil times coming upon your country," said Du Guesclin. "In our fondest hopes we never thought to hold Bordeaux. By Saint Ives! this news hath warmed the heart within me. Our dear country will then be very great in the future, Tiphaine?" "Great, and rich, and beautiful," she cried. "Far down the course of time I can see her still leading the nations, a wayward queen among the peoples, great in war, but greater in peace, quick in thought, deft in action, with her people's will for her sole monarch, from the sands of Calais to the blue seas of the south." "Ha!" cried Du Guesclin, with his eyes flashing in triumph, "you hear her, Sir Nigel?-and she never yet said word which was not sooth." The English knight shook his head moodily. "What of my own poor country?" said he. "I fear, lady, that what you have said bodes but small good for her." The lady sat with parted lips, and her breath came quick and fast. "My God!" she cried, "what is this that is shown me? Whence come they, these peoples, these lordly nations, these mighty countries which rise up before me? I look beyond, and others rise, and yet others, far and farther to the shores of the uttermost waters. They crowd! They swarm! The world is given to them, and it resounds with the clang of their hammers and the ringing of their church bells. They call them many names, and they rule them this way or that but they are all English, for I can hear the voices of the people. On I go, and onwards over seas where man hath never yet sailed, and I see a great land under new stars and a stranger sky, and still the land is England. Where have her children not gone? What have they not done? Her banner is planted on ice. Her banner is scorched in the sun. She lies athwart the lands, and her shadow is over the seas. Bertrand, Bertrand! we are undone for the buds of her bud are even as our choicest flower!" Her voice rose into a wild cry, and throwing up her arms she sank back white and nerveless into the deep oaken chair. "It is over," said Du Guesclin moodily, as he raised her drooping head with his strong brown hand. "Wine for the lady, squire! The blessed hour of sight hath passed." -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-02-22 16:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20180222a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #487088 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> The Brits were
> large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their
> little island.
LOL. Back to their own little City on their little island, firmly in the
saddle, so to speak...
The City of London
London's economic importance cannot be underestimated. In terms
of industries, it is the financial sector which is the most
important. Although creative, media, technology and
manufacturing industries all operate from London, it is the
financial services sector which dominates them all. Most of
the banking, underwriting and trading markets that operate in
the capital are base in the City of London.
http://www.uncsbrp.org/
London's Finance Industry
London has been the financial hub of the United Kingdom and a
major trade and business centre since the Middle Ages. Today
the city competes with New York City for the status of the
world's major financial centre.
Other emerging financial centres of the world such as Hong
Kong and Shanghai gain ground, but cannot hope to displace
London as the world's premier financial city in the near
future. ...
http://www.uncsbrp.org/finance.htm
Don't let the City-Manhattan "competition" fool you. It's a clubby
little relationship best described as a partnership in everything but
name. The City's the senior partner and Manhattan's the junior partner.
Take the FX market, for instance. The FX market is the largest
market in the world. The City controls about 36% of the FX market while
Manhattan controls 18% of it.
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-22 14:05 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8daddbcf-f9f6-4f60-8612-e0c0816fc39f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #487096 |
> The City of London > > London's economic importance cannot be underestimated. > > http://www.uncsbrp.org/ It's not easy. But I bet Donald Trump can do it.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-22 21:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <hvtu8dlah3s9ch0mo5sbgqlh8e9easlpla@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #487096 |
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:26:29 -0000 (UTC), D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > ><snip> > >> The Brits were >> large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their >> little island. > >LOL. Back to their own little City on their little island, firmly in the >saddle, so to speak... > > The City of London > > London's economic importance cannot be underestimated. In terms > of industries, it is the financial sector which is the most > important. Although creative, media, technology and > manufacturing industries all operate from London, it is the > financial services sector which dominates them all. Most of > the banking, underwriting and trading markets that operate in > the capital are base in the City of London. > > http://www.uncsbrp.org/ > > London's Finance Industry > > London has been the financial hub of the United Kingdom and a > major trade and business centre since the Middle Ages. Today > the city competes with New York City for the status of the > world's major financial centre. > > Other emerging financial centres of the world such as Hong > Kong and Shanghai gain ground, but cannot hope to displace > London as the world's premier financial city in the near > future. ... > > http://www.uncsbrp.org/finance.htm > > Don't let the City-Manhattan "competition" fool you. It's a clubby >little relationship best described as a partnership in everything but >name. The City's the senior partner and Manhattan's the junior partner. > Take the FX market, for instance. The FX market is the largest >market in the world. The City controls about 36% of the FX market while >Manhattan controls 18% of it. We were talking about _dominance_. "Financial centers" don't provide much dominance of anything but pieces of paper.
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-22 19:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <p6num5$1rdh$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #487123 |
On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > We were talking about _dominance_. "Financial centers" don't provide > much dominance of anything but pieces of paper. > Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing. Of course the reason why the reason why the United States overtook Britain in terms of military and cultural ascendency is because it had more land area and grew to have a lot more people. When it's Earth versus colonies in space the colonies probably won't have significantly more land and Earth has a big head start in population. Eventually some colonies would overtake it, but it would take a long time.
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| From | Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-23 11:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <KvSjC.227287$O_7.153616@fx36.am4> |
| In reply to | #487128 |
On 23/02/18 02:35, David Johnston wrote: > On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > >> We were talking about _dominance_. "Financial centers" don't provide >> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper. >> > > Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing. Particularly those pretty green ones. -- Bernard Peek bap@shrdlu.com
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-23 07:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <bo209dlrqh5dhehdbf47iblo09372n78k6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #487144 |
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:00:58 +0000, Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> wrote: >On 23/02/18 02:35, David Johnston wrote: >> On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>> We were talking about _dominance_. "Financial centers" don't provide >>> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper. >>> >> >> Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing. > >Particularly those pretty green ones. The pieces of paper are a counter. In our current time when people become wealthy by manipulating the values of pieces of paper we forget that. But they are a counter, they have no inherent worth.
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-23 13:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <p6pudk$dcd$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #487149 |
On 2018-02-23 5:38 AM, J. Clarke wrote: > On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:00:58 +0000, Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> > wrote: > >> On 23/02/18 02:35, David Johnston wrote: >>> On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >>>> We were talking about _dominance_. "Financial centers" don't provide >>>> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper. >>>> >>> >>> Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing. >> >> Particularly those pretty green ones. > > The pieces of paper are a counter. In our current time when people > become wealthy by manipulating the values of pieces of paper we forget > that. No. We don't. We also know that borders aren't physical obstacles and races are defined by culture. And we know these things matter anyway.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-23 07:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <dl209d98grgibmleed8i4ilrdrj6rq7ed1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #487128 |
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:35:51 -0700, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > >> We were talking about _dominance_. "Financial centers" don't provide >> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper. >> > >Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing. >Of course the reason why the reason why the United States overtook >Britain in terms of military and cultural ascendency is because it had >more land area and grew to have a lot more people. China had more land area and more people. So did India. There's more to dominance than land area and population. >When it's Earth >versus colonies in space the colonies probably won't have significantly >more land and Earth has a big head start in population. Eventually some >colonies would overtake it, but it would take a long time.
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-23 13:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <p6putm$euq$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #487148 |
On 2018-02-23 5:37 AM, J. Clarke wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:35:51 -0700, David Johnston > <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 2018-02-22 7:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>> We were talking about _dominance_. "Financial centers" don't provide >>> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper. >>> >> >> Dominating those pieces of paper is a rather important thing. >> Of course the reason why the reason why the United States overtook >> Britain in terms of military and cultural ascendency is because it had >> more land area and grew to have a lot more people. > > China had more land area and more people. So did India. China was the richest and most powerful nation in the world but simply lacked the technology and inclination to expand much farther than it already had. But an Earth that colonizes the stars by definition has both the technology and the inclination. Unless it runs into equally or more powerful aliens it will take a long time to stop being the center of human civilization...barring a catastrophe that takes it out of the game. There's more > to dominance than land area and population. > There is, yes. But not a lot more.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-02-24 03:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20180223a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #487123 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:26:29 -0000 (UTC), D B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> The Brits were
>>> large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their
>>> little island.
>>
>>LOL. Back to their own little City on their little island, firmly in the
>>saddle, so to speak...
>>
>> The City of London
>>
>> London's economic importance cannot be underestimated. In terms
>> of industries, it is the financial sector which is the most
>> important. Although creative, media, technology and
>> manufacturing industries all operate from London, it is the
>> financial services sector which dominates them all. Most of
>> the banking, underwriting and trading markets that operate in
>> the capital are base in the City of London.
>>
>> http://www.uncsbrp.org/
>>
>> London's Finance Industry
>>
>> London has been the financial hub of the United Kingdom and a
>> major trade and business centre since the Middle Ages. Today
>> the city competes with New York City for the status of the
>> world's major financial centre.
>>
>> Other emerging financial centres of the world such as Hong
>> Kong and Shanghai gain ground, but cannot hope to displace
>> London as the world's premier financial city in the near
>> future. ...
>>
>> http://www.uncsbrp.org/finance.htm
>>
>> Don't let the City-Manhattan "competition" fool you. It's a clubby
>>little relationship best described as a partnership in everything but
>>name. The City's the senior partner and Manhattan's the junior partner.
>> Take the FX market, for instance. The FX market is the largest
>>market in the world. The City controls about 36% of the FX market while
>>Manhattan controls 18% of it.
>
> We were talking about _dominance_. "Financial centers" don't provide
> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper.
Those pieces (bits) of paper empower America to pay for ten billion
dollar aircraft carriers. Those bits enable America afford a thousand
foreign military bases. Those bits allow America to surreptitiously
balance its books with a twenty-one trillion dollar "plug" to cover
unauthorized expenditures. [1]
And where does all of that loot come from? Government squeezes
people harder than the Squeezer in "The Logic of Empire" (RAH). You
pay a little more for a little less each day.
"The sinews of war are infinite money." - Marcus Tullius Cicero
Here's some excerpts from "Logic" to help you better appreciate
financial dominance.
... without it he could not /get to sleep/. Three nights of
self-recrimination and fretting, three days of fatigue-drugged
uselessness under the unfriendly eye of the Pusher, and he had
signed for his bottle with the rest, even though dully aware
that the price of the bottle had washed out more than half a
day's microscopic progress towards freedom. ...
... It cost more to make a crop than the crop fetched in
Adonis - at least it did after the interest was paid. ...
Note.
1. http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2017/msu-scholars-find-21-trillion-in-unauthorized-government-spending-defense-department-to-conduct/
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-02-24 01:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <uvv19d92vijjitmkg9i90p4mbpjrfiiara@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #487180 |
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:12:51 -0000 (UTC), D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:26:29 -0000 (UTC), D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>><snip> >>> >>>> The Brits were >>>> large and in charge for about a century and now they're back to their >>>> little island. >>> >>>LOL. Back to their own little City on their little island, firmly in the >>>saddle, so to speak... >>> >>> The City of London >>> >>> London's economic importance cannot be underestimated. In terms >>> of industries, it is the financial sector which is the most >>> important. Although creative, media, technology and >>> manufacturing industries all operate from London, it is the >>> financial services sector which dominates them all. Most of >>> the banking, underwriting and trading markets that operate in >>> the capital are base in the City of London. >>> >>> http://www.uncsbrp.org/ >>> >>> London's Finance Industry >>> >>> London has been the financial hub of the United Kingdom and a >>> major trade and business centre since the Middle Ages. Today >>> the city competes with New York City for the status of the >>> world's major financial centre. >>> >>> Other emerging financial centres of the world such as Hong >>> Kong and Shanghai gain ground, but cannot hope to displace >>> London as the world's premier financial city in the near >>> future. ... >>> >>> http://www.uncsbrp.org/finance.htm >>> >>> Don't let the City-Manhattan "competition" fool you. It's a clubby >>>little relationship best described as a partnership in everything but >>>name. The City's the senior partner and Manhattan's the junior partner. >>> Take the FX market, for instance. The FX market is the largest >>>market in the world. The City controls about 36% of the FX market while >>>Manhattan controls 18% of it. >> >> We were talking about _dominance_. "Financial centers" don't provide >> much dominance of anything but pieces of paper. > >Those pieces (bits) of paper empower America to pay for ten billion >dollar aircraft carriers. The goverment funds aircraft carriers by selling financial instruments in "financial centers"? Do tell. >Those bits enable America afford a thousand >foreign military bases. The goverment funds aircraft carriers by selling financial instruments in "financial centers"? Do tell. >Those bits allow America to surreptitiously >balance its books with a twenty-one trillion dollar "plug" to cover >unauthorized expenditures. [1] Still nothing to do with "financial centers". > And where does all of that loot come from? Government squeezes >people harder than the Squeezer in "The Logic of Empire" (RAH). You >pay a little more for a little less each day. Yeah, I feel squeezed real bad. > "The sinews of war are infinite money." - Marcus Tullius Cicero > >Here's some excerpts from "Logic" to help you better appreciate >financial dominance. > > ... without it he could not /get to sleep/. Three nights of > self-recrimination and fretting, three days of fatigue-drugged > uselessness under the unfriendly eye of the Pusher, and he had > signed for his bottle with the rest, even though dully aware > that the price of the bottle had washed out more than half a > day's microscopic progress towards freedom. ... > > ... It cost more to make a crop than the crop fetched in > Adonis - at least it did after the interest was paid. ... > >Note. > >1. http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2017/msu-scholars-find-21-trillion-in-unauthorized-government-spending-defense-department-to-conduct/ > >Thank you, A bottle of Glenlivet costs me about an hour's pay. Maybe Heinlein struggles to pay for liquor but people with real jobs don't.
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