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"After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’"

Started byLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
First post2017-11-27 15:58 -0600
Last post2017-11-30 21:30 -0600
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  "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-27 15:58 -0600
    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2017-11-28 16:32 +1300
      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-11-27 23:16 -0500
        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming �Apocalypse�" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2017-11-28 19:32 +1300
          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-11-27 23:59 -0700
    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-11-28 05:35 +0000
      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-01 05:37 -0800
        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-01 05:41 -0800
          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-01 15:56 +0000
            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-21 21:08 -0700
              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-22 16:17 +0000
        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-12-01 16:25 +0000
          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-01 16:54 +0000
            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-01 09:55 -0800
            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-01 13:40 -0800
              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-01 14:29 -0700
                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2017-12-02 14:05 +1100
                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-01 19:51 -0700
                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-12-04 14:30 +0000
                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-02 13:18 -0800
                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2017-12-02 14:31 -0700
                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-02 15:28 -0800
                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-03 00:10 +0000
                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-02 17:51 -0800
                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-02 16:14 -0800
                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 00:44 -0500
                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 00:55 -0500
                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-02 22:54 -0700
                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-02 22:52 -0700
                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 13:13 -0800
                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-02 22:51 -0700
              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-01 15:28 -0800
                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-02 00:23 -0600
                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 14:07 -0800
            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 00:59 -0800
              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 01:08 -0800
                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-03 07:29 -0500
              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-03 08:06 -0800
                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-12-03 15:18 -0700
              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 13:41 -0800
                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-12-03 15:20 -0700
                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 15:29 -0800
            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-12-03 06:40 -0800
              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 12:27 -0700
                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-05 06:03 -0600
                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 08:34 -0700
                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-05 16:47 +0000
                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 10:41 -0800
                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:42 -0700
                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-05 11:09 -0800
                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-05 11:22 -0800
                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:45 -0700
                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 14:54 -0500
                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 13:55 -0700
                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 17:59 -0500
                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 15:46 -0700
                                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-05 17:58 -0600
                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 16:36 -0700
                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 00:13 -0500
                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 02:20 -0500
                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 02:42 -0500
                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-05 23:53 -0800
                                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 04:54 -0500
                                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 06:06 -0800
                                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-06 07:26 -0800
                                                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-12-06 16:00 +0000
                                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-06 09:31 -0800
                                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 09:55 -0700
                                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 03:37 -0600
                                                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 05:47 -0500
                                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 06:24 -0800
                                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 10:35 -0500
                                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 16:24 -0600
                                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 14:26 -0700
                                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 16:41 -0600
                                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 14:53 -0700
                                                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 17:27 -0600
                                                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-12-07 16:09 -0800
                                                                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 16:55 -0700
                                                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-12-07 19:23 -0800
                                                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 21:04 -0700
                                                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-08 02:48 -0600
                                                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 16:07 -0600
                                                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-12-08 23:25 +0000
                                                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-08 19:19 -0500
                                                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-08 17:25 +0000
                                                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 09:38 -0700
                                                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 16:15 -0600
                                                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 14:25 -0700
                                                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-08 15:27 -0800
                                                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 15:41 -0700
                                                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 18:46 -0600
                                                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-08 15:45 -0800
                                                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Tom Kratman <tomkratman@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 09:25 -0800
                                                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 09:46 -0700
                                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-07 15:38 -0800
                                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 08:38 -0700
                                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-06 13:54 -0800
                                                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 16:58 -0500
                                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 15:40 -0700
                                                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 15:36 -0700
                                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-06 14:31 -0800
                                                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 15:42 -0700
                                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-06 22:13 -0800
                                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 09:01 -0700
                                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-07 11:23 -0800
                                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 11:27 -0700
                                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-07 11:24 -0800
                                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 11:28 -0700
                                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-07 11:32 -0800
                                                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 12:47 -0700
                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 08:34 -0700
                                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 00:10 -0500
                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2017-12-05 21:23 -0800
                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-05 22:00 -0800
                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 21:33 -0500
                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-06 22:15 -0800
                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 08:59 -0700
                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-12-07 10:06 -0800
                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 13:29 -0500
                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-12-07 10:47 -0800
                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 10:51 -0700
                                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 14:10 -0500
                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 20:14 -0500
                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 10:50 -0700
                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 22:48 -0700
                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 02:44 -0500
                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 03:40 -0600
                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 09:02 -0700
                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 13:33 -0500
                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 16:47 -0500
                                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Siberian Sheep Shipper <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 14:14 -0700
                                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 18:01 -0500
                                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-07 14:15 -0800
                                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-08 02:44 -0600
                                                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Napenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 08:36 -0700
                                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-08 10:41 -0800
                                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2017-12-08 22:16 +0200
                                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 12:31 -0700
                                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-08 16:47 -0500
                                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-08 23:57 +0000
                                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 16:12 -0700
                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Siberian Sheep Shipper <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 14:13 -0700
                                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 17:57 -0500
                                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-12-11 05:19 -0700
                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-11 07:59 -0800
                                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 21:20 -0500
                                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 21:17 -0600
                                          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 22:52 -0500
                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-12-12 08:45 -0700
                                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2017-12-31 22:13 +0000
                                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-01-01 18:25 +0000
                                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-01-02 06:48 -0700
                                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-01-02 13:20 -0800
                                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2018-01-03 02:40 +0000
                                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-01-02 05:59 -0800
                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 11:05 -0800
                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 11:16 -0700
                            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-05 23:28 -0800
                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 02:46 -0500
                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 03:09 -0500
                                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-06 01:43 -0800
                                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 08:35 -0700
                              Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 08:34 -0700
                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:44 -0700
                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:40 -0700
                    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 13:01 -0800
                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2017-12-06 13:24 -0800
                      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-06 23:56 +0000
                        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-12-06 16:40 -0800
                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:42 -0800
                Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-05 11:25 -0800
                  Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:46 -0700
    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2017-11-28 05:54 -0800
    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-28 17:19 +0200
      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-29 15:23 -0600
        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2017-11-29 15:07 -0700
          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-29 17:44 -0600
        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-11-30 16:37 -0800
          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 18:39 -0700
            Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 21:27 -0600
    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 12:57 -0800
      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 17:58 -0600
        Re: Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-12-01 16:23 +0000
          Re: Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-01 09:52 -0800
    Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-11-30 16:36 -0800
      Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 20:44 -0500
        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 18:45 -0700
          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-01 12:53 -0600
        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-11-30 18:47 -0800
          Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 23:18 -0500
        Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 21:30 -0600

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#481625 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromLawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com>
Date2017-12-06 03:09 -0500
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<2e9f2d97j1gp52nef198mgq5msj7d9ocim@reader80.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#481618
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:28:07 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:54:30 UTC, Lawrence Watt-Evans  wrote:
>> Hey, Terry -- you've been Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy for a long
>> time now.  Have you considered changing to a new name?
>
>Won't that upset a lot of kill files?

You say that like it's a bad thing.



-- 
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
My latest novel is Tom Derringer in the Tunnels of Terror.
See http://www.watt-evans.com/TomDerringerintheTunnelsofTerror.shtml

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#481628 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromRobert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com>
Date2017-12-06 01:43 -0800
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<d9401500-0a7b-4328-9d31-41eb7e80db92@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#481625
On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 08:09:54 UTC, Lawrence Watt-Evans  wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:28:07 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie
> <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:54:30 UTC, Lawrence Watt-Evans  wrote:
> >> Hey, Terry -- you've been Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy for a long
> >> time now.  Have you considered changing to a new name?
> >
> >Won't that upset a lot of kill files?
> 
> You say that like it's a bad thing.

Yes: because it is.

I easily could be a very annoying troll if I changed my name 
frequently.

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#481642 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromGutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2017-12-06 08:35 -0700
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<XnsA843576B06E14taustingmail@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#481628
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in
news:d9401500-0a7b-4328-9d31-41eb7e80db92@googlegroups.com: 

> On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 08:09:54 UTC, Lawrence Watt-Evans 
> wrote: 
>> On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:28:07 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie
>> <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:54:30 UTC, Lawrence Watt-Evans 
>> >wrote: 
>> >> Hey, Terry -- you've been Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>> >> for a long time now.  Have you considered changing to a new
>> >> name? 
>> >
>> >Won't that upset a lot of kill files?
>> 
>> You say that like it's a bad thing.
> 
> Yes: because it is.
> 
> I easily could be a very annoying troll if I changed my name 
> frequently.
> 
You that *that* like it's a bad thing.

(And you already are.)

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#481641 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromGutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2017-12-06 08:34 -0700
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<XnsA843574F35867taustingmail@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#481618
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in
news:322a6104-2714-4f1e-9431-49417307d65c@googlegroups.com: 

> On Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:54:30 UTC, Lawrence Watt-Evans 
> wrote: 
>> Hey, Terry -- you've been Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy for a
>> long time now.  Have you considered changing to a new name?
> 
> Won't that upset a lot of kill files?

Only for people who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#481583 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromGutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2017-12-05 11:44 -0700
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<XnsA8427767911D6taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#481576
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:67d5a5cf-bb6e-4121-aa92-0b1428244073@googlegroups.com: 

> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 9:47:34 AM UTC-7, D B Davis
> wrote: 
> 
>>     And so it goes. Yet another rasw AGW enthusiast offers yet
>>     another 
>> Bryson ad hominem. If you don't like Bryson, please name a
>> distinguished AGW dissenter that's acceptable to you.
> 
> There are no AGW dissenters, distinguished or otherwise, that
> are acceptable to me

Which says far, far more about you than it does about AGW dissenter, 
or anything else. You've just admitted that you aren't interested in 
facts or science, only in propaganda that fits your fantasy.

Which is why so many people don't take AGW scare tactics seriously.

Act like a cult, you get treated like a cult.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#481580 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromGutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2017-12-05 11:40 -0700
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<XnsA84276D50CEDCtaustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#481565
D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20171205a@crcomp.net:

> 
> David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On 2017-12-03, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> hamish.laws@gmail.com wrote in
>>>> Unless you can point to actual evidence supporting his
>>>> figures and explain why literally every other climate
>>>> scientist would be ignoring it it seems much more likely that
>>>> an 87 year old isn't all that together than that he's right
>>>> and everybody else is wrong... 
>>>
>>> That sounds suspiciously like "I don't like what he says, so
>>> I'm going to attack him on a personal level."
>>
>> Well, no, it actually sounds more like a particularly on-topic
>> Arthur C. Clarke quote.
>>
>> Dave, you know the one, elderly but distinguished, not certain
>> Bryson is 'distinguished' tho
> 
>     And so it goes. Yet another rasw AGW enthusiast offers yet
>     another 
> Bryson ad hominem. If you don't like Bryson, please name a
> distinguished AGW dissenter that's acceptable to you.
> 
It would be more convincing to actually refute his claims.

I don't expect a lot in that area.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#481653 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromWilliam Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
Date2017-12-06 13:01 -0800
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<ab6ecac1-9c42-4ecf-859c-0a25df61a881@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#481565
On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5, D B Davis wrote:
> David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > On 2017-12-03, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> hamish.laws@gmail.com wrote in
> >>> Unless you can point to actual evidence supporting his figures
> >>> and explain why literally every other climate scientist would be
> >>> ignoring it it seems much more likely that an 87 year old isn't
> >>> all that together than that he's right and everybody else is wrong...
> >>
> >> That sounds suspiciously like "I don't like what he says, so I'm
> >> going to attack him on a personal level."
> >
> > Well, no, it actually sounds more like a particularly on-topic Arthur C.
> > Clarke quote.
> >
> > Dave, you know the one, elderly but distinguished, not certain Bryson is
> > 'distinguished' tho
> 
>     And so it goes. Yet another rasw AGW enthusiast offers yet another
> Bryson ad hominem. If you don't like Bryson, please name a distinguished
> AGW dissenter that's acceptable to you.

You also asked me this question in another post. I forgot to reply, so:

As I've indicated above, the comments Bryson makes in this article are either incorrect or deeply misleading.  They are not acceptable.  He on the other hand was a distinguished scientist with a large body of good work to his credit.

Richard Lindzen is, if anything, an even more respected scientist who is a skeptic. But you won't find him making comments as in the above story. Instead he proposed that there are negative feedbacks in the atmosphere-ocean system which are strong enough to almost negate CO2-induced warming. His MIT web page in the 1990s promised a climate model which, it was asserted, would be better than current models and less sensitive to CO2 (how they knew this in advance I cannot say).

None of this panned out and the world has continued to warm - well past the maximum he predicted for a CO2 doubling, though CO2 has far from doubled.  For him to be right, 90% of the warming we've experienced has to be from non-greenhouse causes.  Which is hard to believe in that the warming matches the fingerprint of CO2 warming and not, e.g. solar (not that Lindzen made or would ever make that claim.).

Lindzen continues to write papers and editorials, both on the topic of AGW and on his other climate related research interests.

Two distinguished scientists.  One a member of the National Academy of Sciences.  Both far more accomplished than I. Both "acceptable" in any sense of the word.  Both wrong.

Even the great can be wrong.


William Hyde

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#481656 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromMoriarty <blues95@ivillage.com>
Date2017-12-06 13:24 -0800
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<3f59ee0f-7d78-4caa-8512-296cfe10d59d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#481653
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 8:01:25 AM UTC+11, William Hyde wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5, D B Davis wrote:
> > David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > On 2017-12-03, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> hamish.laws@gmail.com wrote in
> > >>> Unless you can point to actual evidence supporting his figures
> > >>> and explain why literally every other climate scientist would be
> > >>> ignoring it it seems much more likely that an 87 year old isn't
> > >>> all that together than that he's right and everybody else is wrong...
> > >>
> > >> That sounds suspiciously like "I don't like what he says, so I'm
> > >> going to attack him on a personal level."
> > >
> > > Well, no, it actually sounds more like a particularly on-topic Arthur C.
> > > Clarke quote.
> > >
> > > Dave, you know the one, elderly but distinguished, not certain Bryson is
> > > 'distinguished' tho
> > 
> >     And so it goes. Yet another rasw AGW enthusiast offers yet another
> > Bryson ad hominem. If you don't like Bryson, please name a distinguished
> > AGW dissenter that's acceptable to you.
> 
> You also asked me this question in another post. I forgot to reply, so:
> 
> As I've indicated above, the comments Bryson makes in this article are either incorrect or deeply misleading.  They are not acceptable.  He on the other hand was a distinguished scientist with a large body of good work to his credit.
> 
> Richard Lindzen is, if anything, an even more respected scientist who is a skeptic. But you won't find him making comments as in the above story. Instead he proposed that there are negative feedbacks in the atmosphere-ocean system which are strong enough to almost negate CO2-induced warming. His MIT web page in the 1990s promised a climate model which, it was asserted, would be better than current models and less sensitive to CO2 (how they knew this in advance I cannot say).
> 
> None of this panned out and the world has continued to warm - well past the maximum he predicted for a CO2 doubling, though CO2 has far from doubled.  For him to be right, 90% of the warming we've experienced has to be from non-greenhouse causes.  Which is hard to believe in that the warming matches the fingerprint of CO2 warming and not, e.g. solar (not that Lindzen made or would ever make that claim.).
> 
> Lindzen continues to write papers and editorials, both on the topic of AGW and on his other climate related research interests.
> 
> Two distinguished scientists.  One a member of the National Academy of Sciences.  Both far more accomplished than I. Both "acceptable" in any sense of the word.  Both wrong.
> 
> Even the great can be wrong.

Indeed. Fred Hoyle, one of the giants of 20th century cosmology and, some argue, desperately unlucky not to win a Nobel prize for his work on stellar nucleosynthesis(*), went to his grave defending the steady state model of the universe in the face of all evidence. How much of this was down to pure stubbornness I can't say, but I suspect a fair bit.

ObSF: Fred Hoyle.

(*) My spell checker wants to change this word to "photosynthesis" and I find the concept amusing.

-Moriarty

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#481673 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromD B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
Date2017-12-06 23:56 +0000
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<20171206a@crcomp.net>
In reply to#481653
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5, D B Davis wrote:
>> David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > On 2017-12-03, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> hamish.laws@gmail.com wrote in
>> >>> Unless you can point to actual evidence supporting his figures
>> >>> and explain why literally every other climate scientist would be
>> >>> ignoring it it seems much more likely that an 87 year old isn't
>> >>> all that together than that he's right and everybody else is wrong...
>> >>
>> >> That sounds suspiciously like "I don't like what he says, so I'm
>> >> going to attack him on a personal level."
>> >
>> > Well, no, it actually sounds more like a particularly on-topic Arthur C.
>> > Clarke quote.
>> >
>> > Dave, you know the one, elderly but distinguished, not certain Bryson is
>> > 'distinguished' tho
>>
>>     And so it goes. Yet another rasw AGW enthusiast offers yet another
>> Bryson ad hominem. If you don't like Bryson, please name a distinguished
>> AGW dissenter that's acceptable to you.
>
> You also asked me this question in another post. I forgot to reply, so:
>
> As I've indicated above, the comments Bryson makes in this article are either
> incorrect or deeply misleading.  They are not acceptable.  He on the other
> hand was a distinguished scientist with a large body of good work to his credit.
>
> Richard Lindzen is, if anything, an even more respected scientist who is a
> skeptic. But you won't find him making comments as in the above story. Instead
> he proposed that there are negative feedbacks in the atmosphere-ocean system
> which are strong enough to almost negate CO2-induced warming. His MIT web page
> in the 1990s promised a climate model which, it was asserted, would be better
> than current models and less sensitive to CO2 (how they knew this in advance I
> cannot say). 
>
> None of this panned out and the world has continued to warm - well past the
> maximum he predicted for a CO2 doubling, though CO2 has far from doubled.  For
> him to be right, 90% of the warming we've experienced has to be from non-greenhouse
> causes.  Which is hard to believe in that the warming matches the fingerprint
> of CO2 warming and not, e.g. solar (not that Lindzen made or would ever make
> that claim.).
>
> Lindzen continues to write papers and editorials, both on the topic of AGW
> and on his other climate related research interests.
>
> Two distinguished scientists.  One a member of the National Academy of Sciences.
> Both far more accomplished than I. Both "acceptable" in any sense of the word.
> Both wrong.
>
> Even the great can be wrong.
>

    Agreed, even the great can be wrong. Despite all of his mathematical
aptitude, Issac Newton lost his fortune in the South Sea Company.
    _The Cambridge Companion to Science Fiction_ (James and Mendlesohn)
shares my belief that skepticism and theoretical dissent are essential
for the advancement of science. Matter of fact, skepticism and
theoretical dissent are essential to just about every human endeavor.
Yes-men are useless.
    It's good of you to keep your explanation simple and use laymen's
terms. A lot of AGW's "shop talk" goes right over my head. 

Thank you,

--
Don

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#481679 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

Fromhamish.laws@gmail.com
Date2017-12-06 16:40 -0800
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<3929bc20-0e2f-41a8-9b89-05c007048374@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#481673
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 10:56:08 AM UTC+11, D B Davis wrote:
> 
>     Agreed, even the great can be wrong. Despite all of his mathematical
> aptitude, Issac Newton lost his fortune in the South Sea Company.

That's a classic case of somebody being good at one thing not necessarily meaning they're good at other things.

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#481582 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromWilliam Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
Date2017-12-05 11:42 -0800
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<4d09bc79-9b9a-4da4-96d0-69064bc9e943@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#481552
On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 7:04:09 AM UTC-5, David DeLaney wrote:
> On 2017-12-03, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
> > hamish.laws@gmail.com wrote in
> >> Unless you can point to actual evidence supporting his figures
> >> and explain why literally every other climate scientist would be
> >> ignoring it it seems much more likely that an 87 year old isn't
> >> all that together than that he's right and everybody else is wrong... 
> >
> > That sounds suspiciously like "I don't like what he says, so I'm 
> > going to attack him on a personal level."
> 
> Well, no, it actually sounds more like a particularly on-topic Arthur C.
> Clarke quote.
> 
> Dave, you know the one, elderly but distinguished, not certain Bryson is
>  'distinguished' tho

I would say that he was.  He wrote or co-wrote five books and 230 articles.  I can't be sure that all of the latter were peer-reviewed, but scanning the (truncated) list I can see that some at least were in Science.

I didn't know the NASA/GSFC crowd well at the time, but my impression from his 1986 talk was that he was regarded as a serious and accomplished researcher, if a bit eccentric.  Certainly there was no such disturbance as when William Gray came to talk about nuclear winter.

William Hyde

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#481579 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2017-12-05 11:25 -0800
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<98d857ed-67c5-491f-8243-07a05aac19f7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#481482
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 1:27:16 PM UTC-7, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> hamish.laws@gmail.com wrote in
> news:2fb51905-a817-42f7-9f15-7b12dac57d31@googlegroups.com: 

> > Unless you can point to actual evidence supporting his figures
> > and explain why literally every other climate scientist would be
> > ignoring it it seems much more likely that an 87 year old isn't
> > all that together than that he's right and everybody else is
> > wrong... 

> That sounds suspiciously like "I don't like what he says, so I'm 
> going to attack him on a personal level."

Someone claims the Apollo moon landing was a hoax. I don't know anything about 
him on a personal level - but given all the geologists who studied the lunar 
samples, all the people involved in the Apollo project, I think it's likelier 
that he is either lying or nuts than that he is right.

That is an _ad hominem_ attack? If so, you must be using a definition of that 
with which I am not familiar.

John Savard

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#481585 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"

FromGutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2017-12-05 11:46 -0700
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse"
Message-ID<XnsA84277D702940taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#481579
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:98d857ed-67c5-491f-8243-07a05aac19f7@googlegroups.com: 

> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 1:27:16 PM UTC-7, Gutless
> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: 
>> hamish.laws@gmail.com wrote in
>> news:2fb51905-a817-42f7-9f15-7b12dac57d31@googlegroups.com: 
> 
>> > Unless you can point to actual evidence supporting his
>> > figures and explain why literally every other climate
>> > scientist would be ignoring it it seems much more likely that
>> > an 87 year old isn't all that together than that he's right
>> > and everybody else is wrong... 
> 
>> That sounds suspiciously like "I don't like what he says, so
>> I'm going to attack him on a personal level."
> 
> Someone claims the Apollo moon landing was a hoax. I don't know
> anything about him on a personal level - but given all the
> geologists who studied the lunar samples, all the people
> involved in the Apollo project, I think it's likelier that he is
> either lying or nuts than that he is right. 

The evidence to support such a claim, and the rather thorough 
debunking of that evidence, is readily available and understandable 
by the average person.

And doesn't require any namecalling at all.
> 
> That is an _ad hominem_ attack? 

Yes, it is.

> If so, you must be using a
> definition of that with which I am not familiar.
> 
There are a *lot* of words you are unfamiliar with the definition 
of.

Act like a cult, you get treated like a cult.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#481292

FromRichard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com>
Date2017-11-28 05:54 -0800
Message-ID<8a7306d9-8812-4449-ba8f-554b68fdb03a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#481236
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 4:58:13 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming 
> ‘Apocalypse’"
>  
> http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/25/after-30-years-alarmists-are-still-predicting-a-global-warming-apocalypse/
> 
> "Of course, human civilization has not collapsed, despite decades of 
> predictions that we only have years left to avert disaster. Ten years 
> ago, the U.N. predicted we only had “as little as eight years left to 
> avoid a dangerous global average rise of 2C or more.”"
> 
> Wake me up when something real happens.
> 
> Lynn

Neither has civilization collapsed such that a cabin in Idaho with a large stash of food and firearms turns out to be a good investment.

Richard R. Hershberger

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#481299 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"

FromJuho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com>
Date2017-11-28 17:19 +0200
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"
Message-ID<MPG.3487ab03b3ae7af6989aa2@news.kolumbus.fi>
In reply to#481236
In article <ovi1pg$1kso$2@gioia.aioe.org>, lynnmcguire5@gmail.com 
says...
> 
> Wake me up when something real happens.

That is when people will wake up.

Of course, by then it will be too late to do anything about it.

-- 
Juho Julkunen

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#481346 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2017-11-29 15:23 -0600
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"
Message-ID<ovn8h3$bgk$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#481299
On 11/28/2017 9:19 AM, Juho Julkunen wrote:
> In article <ovi1pg$1kso$2@gioia.aioe.org>, lynnmcguire5@gmail.com
> says...
>>
>> Wake me up when something real happens.
> 
> That is when people will wake up.
> 
> Of course, by then it will be too late to do anything about it.

If so, we humans will do what we have always done, adapt to the new 
conditions.

Lynn

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#481351 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"

FromDavid Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>
Date2017-11-29 15:07 -0700
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"
Message-ID<ovnb3i$gr7$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#481346
On 2017-11-29 2:23 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 11/28/2017 9:19 AM, Juho Julkunen wrote:
>> In article <ovi1pg$1kso$2@gioia.aioe.org>, lynnmcguire5@gmail.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Wake me up when something real happens.
>>
>> That is when people will wake up.
>>
>> Of course, by then it will be too late to do anything about it.
> 
> If so, we humans will do what we have always done, adapt to the new 
> conditions.
> 
> Lynn
> 
> 

Those who survive, that is.

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#481355 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2017-11-29 17:44 -0600
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"
Message-ID<ovngpq$gsu$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#481351
On 11/29/2017 4:07 PM, David Johnston wrote:
> On 2017-11-29 2:23 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 11/28/2017 9:19 AM, Juho Julkunen wrote:
>>> In article <ovi1pg$1kso$2@gioia.aioe.org>, lynnmcguire5@gmail.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Wake me up when something real happens.
>>>
>>> That is when people will wake up.
>>>
>>> Of course, by then it will be too late to do anything about it.
>>
>> If so, we humans will do what we have always done, adapt to the new 
>> conditions.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>>
> 
> Those who survive, that is.

Yup.  I am a very old 57 (severe heart issues) so I doubt that I will 
survive any truly eventful change.

Lynn

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#481380 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"

Fromhamish.laws@gmail.com
Date2017-11-30 16:37 -0800
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"
Message-ID<d388c1f3-565c-429d-ac04-ace7aeafc4d1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#481346
On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 8:23:53 AM UTC+11, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 11/28/2017 9:19 AM, Juho Julkunen wrote:
> > In article <ovi1pg$1kso$2@gioia.aioe.org>, lynnmcguire5@gmail.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Wake me up when something real happens.
> > 
> > That is when people will wake up.
> > 
> > Of course, by then it will be too late to do anything about it.
> 
> If so, we humans will do what we have always done, adapt to the new 
> conditions.
> 
Which on all economic modelling will be far more costly than reducing greenhouse gas emissions to avoid the situation would be.

It will also have massive health costs and a huge impact on plants and animals.

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#481384 — Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"

FromGutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2017-11-30 18:39 -0700
SubjectRe: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?"
Message-ID<XnsA83DBDD5B9855taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#481380
hamish.laws@gmail.com wrote in
news:d388c1f3-565c-429d-ac04-ace7aeafc4d1@googlegroups.com: 

> On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 8:23:53 AM UTC+11, Lynn
> McGuire wrote: 
>> On 11/28/2017 9:19 AM, Juho Julkunen wrote:
>> > In article <ovi1pg$1kso$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>> > lynnmcguire5@gmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >> Wake me up when something real happens.
>> > 
>> > That is when people will wake up.
>> > 
>> > Of course, by then it will be too late to do anything about
>> > it. 
>> 
>> If so, we humans will do what we have always done, adapt to the
>> new conditions.
>> 
> Which on all economic modelling will be far more costly than
> reducing greenhouse gas emissions to avoid the situation would
> be. 

Of course, the only consistent property of economic models is that 
they're wrong.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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