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| Started by | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-11-27 15:58 -0600 |
| Last post | 2017-11-30 21:30 -0600 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 192 — 29 participants |
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"After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-27 15:58 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2017-11-28 16:32 +1300
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-11-27 23:16 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming �Apocalypse�" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2017-11-28 19:32 +1300
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-11-27 23:59 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-11-28 05:35 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-01 05:37 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-01 05:41 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-01 15:56 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-21 21:08 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-22 16:17 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-12-01 16:25 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-01 16:54 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-01 09:55 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-01 13:40 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-01 14:29 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2017-12-02 14:05 +1100
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-01 19:51 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-12-04 14:30 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-02 13:18 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2017-12-02 14:31 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-02 15:28 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-03 00:10 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-02 17:51 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-02 16:14 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 00:44 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 00:55 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-02 22:54 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-02 22:52 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 13:13 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-02 22:51 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-01 15:28 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-02 00:23 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 14:07 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 00:59 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 01:08 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-03 07:29 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-03 08:06 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-12-03 15:18 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 13:41 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-12-03 15:20 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 15:29 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-12-03 06:40 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-03 12:27 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-05 06:03 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 08:34 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-05 16:47 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 10:41 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:42 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-05 11:09 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-05 11:22 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:45 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 14:54 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 13:55 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 17:59 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 15:46 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-05 17:58 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 16:36 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 00:13 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 02:20 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 02:42 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-05 23:53 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 04:54 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 06:06 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-06 07:26 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-12-06 16:00 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-06 09:31 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 09:55 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 03:37 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 05:47 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 06:24 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 10:35 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 16:24 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 14:26 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 16:41 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 14:53 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 17:27 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-12-07 16:09 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 16:55 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-12-07 19:23 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 21:04 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-08 02:48 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 16:07 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-12-08 23:25 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-08 19:19 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-08 17:25 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 09:38 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 16:15 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 14:25 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-08 15:27 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 15:41 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 18:46 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-08 15:45 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Tom Kratman <tomkratman@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 09:25 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 09:46 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-07 15:38 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 08:38 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-06 13:54 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 16:58 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 15:40 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 15:36 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-06 14:31 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 15:42 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-06 22:13 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 09:01 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-07 11:23 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 11:27 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-07 11:24 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 11:28 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-07 11:32 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 12:47 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 08:34 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 00:10 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2017-12-05 21:23 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-05 22:00 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 21:33 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-06 22:15 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 08:59 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-12-07 10:06 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 13:29 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-12-07 10:47 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 10:51 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 14:10 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 20:14 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 10:50 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 22:48 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 02:44 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 03:40 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 09:02 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 13:33 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 16:47 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Siberian Sheep Shipper <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 14:14 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 18:01 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-07 14:15 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-08 02:44 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Napenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 08:36 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-08 10:41 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2017-12-08 22:16 +0200
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 12:31 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-08 16:47 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-08 23:57 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 16:12 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Siberian Sheep Shipper <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 14:13 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 17:57 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-12-11 05:19 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-11 07:59 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 21:20 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 21:17 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 22:52 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-12-12 08:45 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2017-12-31 22:13 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-01-01 18:25 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-01-02 06:48 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-01-02 13:20 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2018-01-03 02:40 +0000
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Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 11:05 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 11:16 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-05 23:28 -0800
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Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 03:09 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-06 01:43 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 08:35 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 08:34 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:44 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:40 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 13:01 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2017-12-06 13:24 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-06 23:56 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-12-06 16:40 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:42 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-05 11:25 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:46 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2017-11-28 05:54 -0800
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Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2017-11-29 15:07 -0700
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Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 21:27 -0600
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Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 17:58 -0600
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-02 14:31 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <ovv638$1rho$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #481448 |
On 2017-12-02 2:18 PM, William Hyde wrote: > On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:29:26 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: >> I am curious as to your thoughts on the retreating glaciers >> uncovering remains of old ruins going back hundreds, if not >> thousands, of years, suggesting that glaciers have retreated >> before, possibly more than once, long before the industrial age. > > There is no doubt, of course, that the climate does fluctuate without human interference, the little ice age being the most recent example. And as copper mining in Europe goes back, IIRC to at least 6600 BP there have been several such glacial advances in this time. > My thought is immediate skepticism. How the hell could could remains of building survive having glaciers flow over them?
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2017-12-02 15:28 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <ovvcvc$as2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #481449 |
On 12/2/2017 1:31 PM, David Johnston wrote: > On 2017-12-02 2:18 PM, William Hyde wrote: >> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:29:26 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella >> Carrying Sissy wrote: > >>> I am curious as to your thoughts on the retreating glaciers >>> uncovering remains of old ruins going back hundreds, if not >>> thousands, of years, suggesting that glaciers have retreated >>> before, possibly more than once, long before the industrial age. >> >> There is no doubt, of course, that the climate does fluctuate without >> human interference, the little ice age being the most recent example. >> And as copper mining in Europe goes back, IIRC to at least 6600 BP >> there have been several such glacial advances in this time. >> > > My thought is immediate skepticism. How the hell could could remains of > building survive having glaciers flow over them? They couldn't. -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2017-12-03 00:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <20171202d@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #481450 |
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 12/2/2017 1:31 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 2017-12-02 2:18 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:29:26 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella
>>> Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>
>>>> I am curious as to your thoughts on the retreating glaciers
>>>> uncovering remains of old ruins going back hundreds, if not
>>>> thousands, of years, suggesting that glaciers have retreated
>>>> before, possibly more than once, long before the industrial age.
>>>
>>> There is no doubt, of course, that the climate does fluctuate without
>>> human interference, the little ice age being the most recent example.
>>> And as copper mining in Europe goes back, IIRC to at least 6600 BP
>>> there have been several such glacial advances in this time.
>>> All of this is fascinating, but I like real sources, and I'm afraid
>>> that an interview with Professor Bryson isn't one.
Do you feel that way about all AGW dissenters? If not, please name
the dissenters that you consider real sources.
>>>
>>
>> My thought is immediate skepticism.\xc2\xa0 How the hell could could remains of
>> building survive having glaciers flow over them?
>
> They couldn't.
>
The old ruins (tools) were found deep underground at the face of a
silver mine.
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2017-12-02 17:51 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <ovvlbf$ovt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #481454 |
On 12/2/2017 4:10 PM, D B Davis wrote: > Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >> On 12/2/2017 1:31 PM, David Johnston wrote: >>> On 2017-12-02 2:18 PM, William Hyde wrote: >>>> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:29:26 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella >>>> Carrying Sissy wrote: >>> >>>>> I am curious as to your thoughts on the retreating glaciers >>>>> uncovering remains of old ruins going back hundreds, if not >>>>> thousands, of years, suggesting that glaciers have retreated >>>>> before, possibly more than once, long before the industrial age. >>>> >>>> There is no doubt, of course, that the climate does fluctuate without >>>> human interference, the little ice age being the most recent example. >>>> And as copper mining in Europe goes back, IIRC to at least 6600 BP >>>> there have been several such glacial advances in this time. > >>>> All of this is fascinating, but I like real sources, and I'm afraid >>>> that an interview with Professor Bryson isn't one. > > Do you feel that way about all AGW dissenters? If not, please name > the dissenters that you consider real sources. > >>>> >>> >>> My thought is immediate skepticism.\xc2\xa0 How the hell could could remains of >>> building survive having glaciers flow over them? >> >> They couldn't. >> > > The old ruins (tools) were found deep underground at the face of a > silver mine. > That I have no problem with. Tools and other relatively small objects can end up IN the glacier and be carried along with it or, as you say, if they are underground so never have contact with the glacier. -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-02 16:14 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <3e8061d2-61d8-490d-8cca-da432ae12b24@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #481450 |
On Saturday, 2 December 2017 23:28:48 UTC, Dimensional Traveler wrote: > On 12/2/2017 1:31 PM, David Johnston wrote: > > On 2017-12-02 2:18 PM, William Hyde wrote: > >> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:29:26 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella > >> Carrying Sissy wrote: > > > >>> I am curious as to your thoughts on the retreating glaciers > >>> uncovering remains of old ruins going back hundreds, if not > >>> thousands, of years, suggesting that glaciers have retreated > >>> before, possibly more than once, long before the industrial age. > >> > >> There is no doubt, of course, that the climate does fluctuate without > >> human interference, the little ice age being the most recent example. > >> And as copper mining in Europe goes back, IIRC to at least 6600 BP > >> there have been several such glacial advances in this time. > >> > > > > My thought is immediate skepticism. How the hell could could remains of > > building survive having glaciers flow over them? > > They couldn't. How far do glaciers grow and shrink annually? Proper ones scrub down to bedrock IIRC. Mountain climbers get frozen into them and pop out at the bottom after a hundred years or so. You can dig tunnels in them. So you could build artificial caves inside a glacier, charge admission, which mean putting a ticket office and turnstile in there. That might leave signs visible in the days of the newer flood.
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-03 00:44 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <6l372dhd3ee9h77f42mbd4b32skge1ij4b@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #481455 |
On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 16:14:25 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >On Saturday, 2 December 2017 23:28:48 UTC, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >> On 12/2/2017 1:31 PM, David Johnston wrote: >> > On 2017-12-02 2:18 PM, William Hyde wrote: >> >> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:29:26 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella >> >> Carrying Sissy wrote: >> > >> >>> I am curious as to your thoughts on the retreating glaciers >> >>> uncovering remains of old ruins going back hundreds, if not >> >>> thousands, of years, suggesting that glaciers have retreated >> >>> before, possibly more than once, long before the industrial age. >> >> >> >> There is no doubt, of course, that the climate does fluctuate without >> >> human interference, the little ice age being the most recent example. >> >> And as copper mining in Europe goes back, IIRC to at least 6600 BP >> >> there have been several such glacial advances in this time. >> >> >> > >> > My thought is immediate skepticism. How the hell could could remains of >> > building survive having glaciers flow over them? >> >> They couldn't. > >How far do glaciers grow and shrink annually? That's hugely variable. You might want to check out the history of Glacier Bay in Alaska for an example of a fast-moving (in both directions) one. >Proper ones scrub down to bedrock IIRC. Often, but not invariably. Again, check out Glacier Bay, which scrubbed the Tlingit community away but did NOT go clear to bedrock -- it left a thin film of soil and debris where villages had been. >Mountain climbers get frozen into them and pop out at the bottom >after a hundred years or so. > >You can dig tunnels in them. So you could build artificial >caves inside a glacier, charge admission, which mean putting >a ticket office and turnstile in there. That might leave >signs visible in the days of the newer flood. -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com My latest novel is Tom Derringer in the Tunnels of Terror. See http://www.watt-evans.com/TomDerringerintheTunnelsofTerror.shtml
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-03 00:55 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <3c472dl529a67jk3i2iivohqukg1tu7rh2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #481459 |
On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 00:44:21 -0500, Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 16:14:25 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie ><rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > >>On Saturday, 2 December 2017 23:28:48 UTC, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >>> On 12/2/2017 1:31 PM, David Johnston wrote: >>> > On 2017-12-02 2:18 PM, William Hyde wrote: >>> >> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:29:26 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella >>> >> Carrying Sissy wrote: >>> > >>> >>> I am curious as to your thoughts on the retreating glaciers >>> >>> uncovering remains of old ruins going back hundreds, if not >>> >>> thousands, of years, suggesting that glaciers have retreated >>> >>> before, possibly more than once, long before the industrial age. >>> >> >>> >> There is no doubt, of course, that the climate does fluctuate without >>> >> human interference, the little ice age being the most recent example. >>> >> And as copper mining in Europe goes back, IIRC to at least 6600 BP >>> >> there have been several such glacial advances in this time. >>> >> >>> > >>> > My thought is immediate skepticism. How the hell could could remains of >>> > building survive having glaciers flow over them? >>> >>> They couldn't. >> >>How far do glaciers grow and shrink annually? > >That's hugely variable. You might want to check out the history of >Glacier Bay in Alaska for an example of a fast-moving (in both >directions) one. > >>Proper ones scrub down to bedrock IIRC. > >Often, but not invariably. Again, check out Glacier Bay, which >scrubbed the Tlingit community away but did NOT go clear to bedrock -- >it left a thin film of soil and debris where villages had been. And now it's turning out that glaciers can entomb objects as large as upright trees in such a manner that they are not destroyed by the passage of the glacier. <https://www.livescience.com/39819-ancient-forest-thaws.html> >>Mountain climbers get frozen into them and pop out at the bottom >>after a hundred years or so. >> >>You can dig tunnels in them. So you could build artificial >>caves inside a glacier, charge admission, which mean putting >>a ticket office and turnstile in there. That might leave >>signs visible in the days of the newer flood.
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-02 22:54 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <XnsA83FE918D758Ftaustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #481455 |
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in
news:3e8061d2-61d8-490d-8cca-da432ae12b24@googlegroups.com:
> You can dig tunnels in them. So you could build artificial
> caves inside a glacier, charge admission,
Yes. You can.
https://intotheglacier.is/
> which mean putting
> a ticket office and turnstile in there.
They take credit cards online.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-02 22:52 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <XnsA83FE8B21E36Dtaustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #481449 |
David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ovv638$1rho$1@gioia.aioe.org:
> On 2017-12-02 2:18 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:29:26 PM UTC-5, Gutless
>> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>
>>> I am curious as to your thoughts on the retreating glaciers
>>> uncovering remains of old ruins going back hundreds, if not
>>> thousands, of years, suggesting that glaciers have retreated
>>> before, possibly more than once, long before the industrial
>>> age.
>>
>> There is no doubt, of course, that the climate does fluctuate
>> without human interference, the little ice age being the most
>> recent example. And as copper mining in Europe goes back, IIRC
>> to at least 6600 BP there have been several such glacial
>> advances in this time.
>>
>
> My thought is immediate skepticism. How the hell could could
> remains of building survive having glaciers flow over them?
The article doesn't say buildings, nor does it give enough detail to
track down any details.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-03 13:13 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <79915cfe-7a24-46ae-b767-3972e856ba9a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #481449 |
On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 4:31:29 PM UTC-5, David Johnston wrote: > On 2017-12-02 2:18 PM, William Hyde wrote: > > On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:29:26 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: > > >> I am curious as to your thoughts on the retreating glaciers > >> uncovering remains of old ruins going back hundreds, if not > >> thousands, of years, suggesting that glaciers have retreated > >> before, possibly more than once, long before the industrial age. > > > > There is no doubt, of course, that the climate does fluctuate without human interference, the little ice age being the most recent example. And as copper mining in Europe goes back, IIRC to at least 6600 BP there have been several such glacial advances in this time. > > > > My thought is immediate skepticism. How the hell could could remains of > building survive having glaciers flow over them? Well, in the case I am thinking of we only have the deep workings of the mine. Any surface structures are long gone. Mind you, I don't know if this mine was ever covered in ice. But the claim is that others were, and while I don't know that for a fact, I don't find it implausible. If the climate cools sharply, snow will cover the ground and form ice long before ice will actually flow over the site. The land surface will still be affected by the flow, but perhaps to a lesser degree. The activity at the base of a glacier or ice sheet can be of various types depending on the local temperature (thick ice sheets have liquid at the base), slope and nature of the ground, and so on. William Hyde
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-12-02 22:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <XnsA83FE889F14E0taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #481448 |
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
news:e4bb1712-95af-4acb-98c0-15f7cff964f1@googlegroups.com:
> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:29:26 PM UTC-5, Gutless
> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:83bb1f5d-6386-44c1-bd84-7ba4d6a68301@googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 11:54:04 AM UTC-5, D B Davis
>> > wrote:
>> >> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> >> > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>> >> >>On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 10:35:07 PM UTC-7, D B
>> >> >>Davis wrote:
>> >> >>> Mass media first
>> >> >>> promoted a global warming apocalypse at least 143 years
>> >> >>> ago.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>That would have been in 1874.
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, 1896 anyway
>> >> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" -
>> >> Richard Feynman
>> >>
>> >> Almost 40 years ago, Bryson
>> >
>> > First, show a little respect. This is Reid Bryson, professor
>> > of meteorology and old-school climatologist at U of
>> > Wisconsin.
>> >
>> > Seriously, it's not Bill Bryson.
>> >
>> > stood before the American Association
>> >> for the Advancement of Science and presented a paper
>> >> saying human activity could alter climate.
>> >
>> >> "I was laughed off the platform for saying that," he
>> >> told Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News.
>> >
>> > This would be about 1968. As Manabe had already (1965)
>> > published the first modern estimates of global warming due to
>> > a doubling of CO2 I don't think he was laughed at for that.
>> > As Manabe recalled it:
>> >
>> > "In the early 1960's, we developed a radiative-convective
>> > model of the atmosphere, and explored the role of greenhouse
>> > gases such as water vapor, carbon dioxide and ozone in
>> > maintaining and changing the thermal structure of the
>> > atmosphere. This was the beginning of the long-term research
>> > on global warming..."
>> >
>> > Bryson, with many achievements to his credit, did have a
>> > tendency to spout "facts" which were a bit dubious, as seen
>> > below. A few of those before the wrong audience, and yes, he
>> > might be laughed at.
>> >
>> >
>> >> In the 1960s, Bryson's idea was widely considered a
>> >> radical proposition.
>> >
>> > The facts show otherwise.
>> >
>> > But nowadays things have turned almost in the
>> >> opposite direction: Hardly a day passes without some
>> >> authority figure claiming that whatever the climate
>> >> happens to be doing, human activity must be part of the
>> >> explanation. And once again, Bryson is challenging the
>> >> conventional wisdom. ...
>> >>
>> >> Q: Could you rank the things that have the most
>> >> significant impact
>> >> and where would you put carbon dioxide on the list?
>> >>
>> >> A: Well let me give you one fact first. In the first 30
>> >> feet of
>> >> the atmosphere, on the average, outward radiation
>> >> from the Earth, which is what CO2 is supposed to
>> >> affect, how much [of the reflected energy] is
>> >> absorbed by water vapor? In the first 30 feet, 80
>> >> percent, okay?
>> >>
>> >> Q: Eighty percent of the heat radiated back from the
>> >> surface is
>> >> absorbed in the first 30 feet by water vapor...
>> >
>> > And here we have the first "fact". A highly prized quote,
>> > it's all over the internet. It' also quite irrelevant. (I
>> > also suspect it's just plain wrong, but as nobody ever gives
>> > a source for it it's hard to check).
>> >
>> > As I've explained before, saturation simply does not matter.
>> > The mean free path of the photon does. Shorten that, and the
>> > insulating effect increases.
>> >
>> > And as Gilbert Plass showed in the 1950s (without being
>> > laughed off any podium) the upper atmosphere, whence our IR
>> > escapes to space, is very far from saturated, and increasing
>> > CO2 there can warm the planet, even without the water-vapor
>> > feedback effect.
>> >
>> > (For the technically able: how big a problem is IR absorption
>> > for infrared cameras? If 80% of the signal was absorbed -
>> > and re-emitted - within 30 feet I'd expect problems, but I've
>> > no idea how far these things can see in the lower
>> > atmosphere.)
>> >
>> >> A: And how much is absorbed by carbon dioxide? Eight
>> >> hundredths
>> >> of one percent. One one-thousandth as important as
>> >> water vapor.
>> >
>> > Our second "fact". Again, not true or relevant, again
>> > because the atmosphere is not well characterized by its
>> > bottom 30 feet.
>> >
>> >> You can go outside and spit and have the same effect
>> >> as doubling carbon dioxide.
>> >
>> > Third "fact", also untrue. And shows a strange, for a
>> > meteorologist, ignorance of the different physical properties
>> > of CO2 and H2O. The latter undergoes a number of phase
>> > transitions in the atmosphere, and excess is removed quickly,
>> > while CO2 is removed by a far slower process, with much of it
>> > hanging around for centuries. CO2 accumulates in the
>> > atmosphere, H2O does not.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> This begs questions
>> >
>> > First, that's not what question-begging means. The previously
>> > high standards of the Wisconsin Cooperative Energy News seem
>> > to be slipping.
>> >
>> > about the widely publicized mathematical
>> >> models researchers run through supercomputers
>> >
>> > Well, first we create them. And what we put into them is
>> > also well known, available for criticism by the community.
>> > The passage of IR through the atmosphere is calculated via
>> > equations that have been known for over a century. The same
>> > equations used everywhere in our wireless world. Maybe
>> > that's why you get those dropped calls? The Global Warming
>> > Conspiracy has the telephone companies using it's Fake
>> > Equations!
>> >
>> > to generate climate
>> >> scenarios 50 or 100 years in the future. Bryson says the
>> >> data fed into the computers overemphasizes carbon
>> >> dioxide
>> >
>> > Let's be kind and say that it was the reporter's incompetence
>> > here, not Bryson's.
>> >
>> > and accounts
>> >> poorly for the effects of clouds - water vapor. Asked to
>> >> evaluate the models' long-range predictive ability, he
>> >> answers with another question: "Do you believe a
>> >> five-day forecast?"
>> >
>> > Actually, seven day forecasts around here are now pretty
>> > good.
>> >
>> > But Bryson, weirdly, fails to note the difference between
>> > climate and weather. The latter is chaotic, the former not.
>> > The accuracy or otherwise of longer range weather forecasting
>> > has nothing to do with the accuracy of climate models.
>> >
>> > I attended one of Bryson's seminars long ago. It was quite
>> > reasonable (though I doubt one of the facts he used,
>> > especially now). This exploitative interview with a very old
>> > Bryson did him no favours.
>> >
>> I am curious as to your thoughts on the retreating glaciers
>> uncovering remains of old ruins going back hundreds, if not
>> thousands, of years, suggesting that glaciers have retreated
>> before, possibly more than once, long before the industrial
>> age.
>
> There is no doubt, of course, that the climate does fluctuate
> without human interference, the little ice age being the most
> recent example. And as copper mining in Europe goes back, IIRC
> to at least 6600 BP there have been several such glacial
> advances in this time.
>
> Many reconstructions of this advance/retreat history will be
> found via google. Mostly on skeptical sites, which feel this
> aids their case, but the source is often reliable and usually
> cited.
>
> Plant matter uncovered by retreating glaciers is routinely
> dated. Some years ago a date of 5500 BP was found by Lonnie
> Thompson for Quelccaya in the Andes. He's found six thousand
> year old ice melting in Tibet. There are reports 4000 year old
> wood being found in the Swiss alps, recently uncovered by
> glacial melting, which seems reasonable to me.
>
> The world cooled - but not uniformly in time or space - from
> the Holocene Maximum about six thousand years ago. We'd expect
> glaciers to have expanded, covering high altitude valleys which
> were previously ice free - or even inhabited.
>
> There was a lesser warm period in Roman times, even warmer than
> in the Medieval Climate Optimum (probably, anyway). As the
> Romans were usually desperate for precious metals, I've no doubt
> their alpine mines went as close to the glaciers as possible, so
> that when the world cooled, they'd have rapidly been covered
> with ice and remained so to the present day. Or uncovered and
> re-glaciated in Medieval/LIA times.
>
> One of the controversies surrounding the establishment of an ice
> age chronology involved advances and retreats in the Swiss Alps.
> The evidence of the great glacial advances going back millions
> of years is mixed up with smaller, more recent advances and
> retreats. Evidence of a recent advance was confused with the ice
> age cycle proper, until further work discovered Roman tools in
> the "ice age" sediments.
>
> Whereupon the Great Global Warming Conspiracy hushed the whole
> thing up. I'm letting you in on it now because my November
> cheque did not arrive.
>
> All of this is fascinating, but I like real sources, and I'm
> afraid that an interview with Professor Bryson isn't one.
>
Sadly, *nothing* in the press - on any side of the issue - is any
more credible.
And the people who should be act like cult leaders, pretty much all
the time.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-12-01 15:28 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <3cb7308a-59fc-4674-b049-7d7a39843434@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #481410 |
Infra-red cameras are a red herring. They take pictures with short-wave infrared light. It's long-wave infrared the differential absorption of which leads to the greenhouse effect.
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-12-02 00:23 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <guKdnUQgGbtC27_HnZ2dnUU7-KWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #481413 |
On 2017-12-01, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > Infra-red cameras are a red herring. ... an infrared herring, surely? Dave, sometimes one just has to take a shot of the fish in the barrel -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-03 14:07 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <a606130a-ad72-4596-a430-578ce4563b4e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #481413 |
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 6:28:44 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote: > Infra-red cameras are a red herring. > > They take pictures with short-wave infrared light. Apparently they use three ranges, and the longer range is in the atmospheric window. My source comments that this allows for greater detail than mid range, which use wavelengths at 3-5 microns. For much of that range absorption is strong. I'm still not clear on their range. In any event, it's indeed irrelevant to Bryson's claim. William Hyde
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| From | Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-03 00:59 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <5f7cdb41-3e79-42dc-a4cc-197fc667ba78@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #481404 |
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 8:54:04 AM UTC-8, D B Davis wrote: > Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes: > >>On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 10:35:07 PM UTC-7, D B Davis wrote: > >>> Mass media first > >>> promoted a global warming apocalypse at least 143 years ago. > >> > >>That would have been in 1874. > > > > Well, 1896 anyway <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius> > > > > "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" - Richard Feynman > > Almost 40 years ago, Bryson stood before the American Association > for the Advancement of Science and presented a paper saying human > activity could alter climate. > > "I was laughed off the platform for saying that," he told > Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News. > > In the 1960s, Bryson's idea was widely considered a radical > proposition. But nowadays things have turned almost in the > opposite direction: Hardly a day passes without some authority > figure claiming that whatever the climate happens to be doing, > human activity must be part of the explanation. And once again, > Bryson is challenging the conventional wisdom. ... > > Q: Could you rank the things that have the most significant impact > and where would you put carbon dioxide on the list? > > A: Well let me give you one fact first. In the first 30 feet of > the atmosphere, on the average, outward radiation from the > Earth, which is what CO2 is supposed to affect, how much [of > the reflected energy] is absorbed by water vapor? In the first > 30 feet, 80 percent, okay? No, not OK. I’m going to need to see some justification for this claim. If 30 feet of air absorb 80% of IR, then 300 feet absorb 99.9999% of IR. ...and yet, the sun feels warm. I call shenanigans on Reid Bryson As to his qualities as a prognosticator, I call your attention to his bullshit predictions from 1976: https://www.motherearthnews.com/nature-and-environment/reid-bryson-zmaz76mazraw Pt
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| From | Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-03 01:08 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <a0ae0999-4a66-4cc3-9dbf-97eaf4d56bdf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #481465 |
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:59:21 AM UTC-8, Peter Trei wrote: > On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 8:54:04 AM UTC-8, D B Davis wrote: > > Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > > > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes: > > >>On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 10:35:07 PM UTC-7, D B Davis wrote: > > >>> Mass media first > > >>> promoted a global warming apocalypse at least 143 years ago. > > >> > > >>That would have been in 1874. > > > > > > Well, 1896 anyway <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius> > > > > > > > "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" - Richard Feynman > > > > Almost 40 years ago, Bryson stood before the American Association > > for the Advancement of Science and presented a paper saying human > > activity could alter climate. > > > > "I was laughed off the platform for saying that," he told > > Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News. > > > > In the 1960s, Bryson's idea was widely considered a radical > > proposition. But nowadays things have turned almost in the > > opposite direction: Hardly a day passes without some authority > > figure claiming that whatever the climate happens to be doing, > > human activity must be part of the explanation. And once again, > > Bryson is challenging the conventional wisdom. ... > > > > Q: Could you rank the things that have the most significant impact > > and where would you put carbon dioxide on the list? > > > > A: Well let me give you one fact first. In the first 30 feet of > > the atmosphere, on the average, outward radiation from the > > Earth, which is what CO2 is supposed to affect, how much [of > > the reflected energy] is absorbed by water vapor? In the first > > 30 feet, 80 percent, okay? > > No, not OK. I’m going to need to see some justification for this claim. > If 30 feet of air absorb 80% of IR, then 300 feet absorb 99.9999% of IR. > ...and yet, the sun feels warm. > > I call shenanigans on Reid Bryson > > As to his qualities as a prognosticator, I call your attention to his bullshit > predictions from 1976: > > https://www.motherearthnews.com/nature-and-environment/reid-bryson-zmaz76mazraw > > Pt Just to clarify: if Bryson were correct, then climbing a 300 foot hill should result in a million-fold Increase in the heat of sunlight. Pt
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| From | Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-12-03 07:29 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <e6SUB.4043$tM1.166@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #481466 |
Peter Trei wrote:
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:59:21 AM UTC-8, Peter Trei wrote:
>> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 8:54:04 AM UTC-8, D B Davis wrote:
>>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>>> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 10:35:07 PM UTC-7, D B Davis wrote:
>>>>>> Mass media first
>>>>>> promoted a global warming apocalypse at least 143 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> That would have been in 1874.
>>>>
>>>> Well, 1896 anyway <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius>
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" - Richard Feynman
>>>
>>> Almost 40 years ago, Bryson stood before the American Association
>>> for the Advancement of Science and presented a paper saying human
>>> activity could alter climate.
>>>
>>> "I was laughed off the platform for saying that," he told
>>> Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News.
>>>
>>> In the 1960s, Bryson's idea was widely considered a radical
>>> proposition. But nowadays things have turned almost in the
>>> opposite direction: Hardly a day passes without some authority
>>> figure claiming that whatever the climate happens to be doing,
>>> human activity must be part of the explanation. And once again,
>>> Bryson is challenging the conventional wisdom. ...
>>>
>>> Q: Could you rank the things that have the most significant impact
>>> and where would you put carbon dioxide on the list?
>>>
>>> A: Well let me give you one fact first. In the first 30 feet of
>>> the atmosphere, on the average, outward radiation from the
>>> Earth, which is what CO2 is supposed to affect, how much [of
>>> the reflected energy] is absorbed by water vapor? In the first
>>> 30 feet, 80 percent, okay?
>>
>> No, not OK. I’m going to need to see some justification for this claim.
>> If 30 feet of air absorb 80% of IR, then 300 feet absorb 99.9999% of IR.
>> ...and yet, the sun feels warm.
>>
>> I call shenanigans on Reid Bryson
>>
>> As to his qualities as a prognosticator, I call your attention to his bullshit
>> predictions from 1976:
>>
>> https://www.motherearthnews.com/nature-and-environment/reid-bryson-zmaz76mazraw
>>
>> Pt
>
> Just to clarify: if Bryson were correct, then climbing a 300 foot hill should result in a million-fold
> Increase in the heat of sunlight.
Did he claim that the change was linear, or is it logarithmic?
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-12-03 08:06 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <bc81aaf6-4ad8-4f7e-a38d-dd8c8eea4b18@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #481465 |
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 1:59:21 AM UTC-7, Peter Trei wrote: > No, not OK. I’m going to need to see some justification for this claim. > If 30 feet of air absorb 80% of IR, then 300 feet absorb 99.9999% of IR. > ...and yet, the sun feels warm. Well, _that's_ easy enough to explain. Whenever energy gets absorbed, it doesn't just disappear. It becomes heat. The question is really what kind of absorption is taking place. Is it the kind of absorption, followed by re-emission in the same direction and with the same wavelength, that happens to light in a transparent medium... or is the IR really heating up the air, with the air later emitting IR due to its own temperature? I suspect that he may have made the mistake of mixing the two up, so that his figure of how much is absorbed is not so much wrong as misleading. John Savard
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2017-12-03 15:18 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <f8jbi1F9sdeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #481473 |
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 1:59:21 AM UTC-7, Peter Trei wrote: > >> No, not OK. I’m going to need to see some justification for this claim. >> If 30 feet of air absorb 80% of IR, then 300 feet absorb 99.9999% of IR. >> ...and yet, the sun feels warm. > >Well, _that's_ easy enough to explain. > >Whenever energy gets absorbed, it doesn't just disappear. It becomes heat. > >The question is really what kind of absorption is taking place. Is it the kind >of absorption, followed by re-emission in the same direction and with the same >wavelength, that happens to light in a transparent medium... or is the IR really >heating up the air, with the air later emitting IR due to its own temperature? Absorbtion to heat would cause IR to be emitted omnidirectionally. So basking in the shade would pick up the re-radiated heat, and the sun wouldn't have the same warm feeling. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-03 13:41 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| Message-ID | <8a56bad4-d6f2-43ff-9896-60b056c7e892@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #481465 |
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 3:59:21 AM UTC-5, Peter Trei wrote: > On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 8:54:04 AM UTC-8, D B Davis wrote: > > "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" - Richard Feynman > > > > Almost 40 years ago, Bryson stood before the American Association > > for the Advancement of Science and presented a paper saying human > > activity could alter climate. > > > > "I was laughed off the platform for saying that," he told > > Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News. > > > > In the 1960s, Bryson's idea was widely considered a radical > > proposition. But nowadays things have turned almost in the > > opposite direction: Hardly a day passes without some authority > > figure claiming that whatever the climate happens to be doing, > > human activity must be part of the explanation. And once again, > > Bryson is challenging the conventional wisdom. ... > > > > Q: Could you rank the things that have the most significant impact > > and where would you put carbon dioxide on the list? > > > > A: Well let me give you one fact first. In the first 30 feet of > > the atmosphere, on the average, outward radiation from the > > Earth, which is what CO2 is supposed to affect, how much [of > > the reflected energy] is absorbed by water vapor? In the first > > 30 feet, 80 percent, okay? > > No, not OK. I’m going to need to see some justification for this claim. I agree. Unfortunately most experimental results I've been able to find focus on CO2 or vaporized cocaine (no, I'm not kidding). > If 30 feet of air absorb 80% of IR, then 300 feet absorb 99.9999% of IR. > ...and yet, the sun feels warm. Prof Bryson made a number of doubtful claims, but there's no contradiction here. The sun heats us by solar, not IR. Even for IR the above reasoning does not apply. About 12% of IR from the surface is at wavelengths not absorbed even by pressure-broadend H20 at current concentrations. So at 300 feet at least that 12% would be getting out. Which points to another way his comments are misleading. CO2 does absorb IR at those wavelengths. Thus a tiny amount of absorption of IR by CO2 has a disproportionate effect - it narrows the choke point, so to speak - and it is meaningless to compare the addition of a tiny bit more water and a tiny bit more CO2. They don't do the same thing. > I call shenanigans on Reid Bryson Well, yeah. > > As to his qualities as a prognosticator, I call your attention to his bullshit > predictions from 1976: > > https://www.motherearthnews.com/nature-and-environment/reid-bryson-zmaz76mazraw Well, he's right about particulate matter resulting in cooling. In fact we can't account for 20th century climate change without including this factor, which continues today to keep the planet cooler (IIRC about .5C cooler) than it would be. Aerosols, in fact, are rather good at suppressing tropical storms and convection in general. But by 1976 climate modellers had concluded that the CO2 effect would be larger, in part because aerosols fall out of the atmosphere, while CO2 lingers for centuries. In his 1986 talk he was still going on about how close we were to an ice age, but IIRC he was open to the idea that CO2 warming would stave that off. Perhaps his ideas filtered through to Niven and Pournelle. William Hyde
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