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| Started by | Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> |
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| First post | 2016-05-31 17:14 -0500 |
| Last post | 2016-06-01 12:38 -0700 |
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_The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-05-31 17:14 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2016-05-31 16:41 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-05-31 19:25 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2016-05-31 20:05 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2016-06-01 18:32 +1200
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-01 11:52 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 06:54 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-01 11:47 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-06-01 02:16 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-06-01 04:36 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-06-01 08:31 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-01 09:14 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 07:01 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-01 11:50 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 10:12 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 17:23 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 15:04 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 15:17 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-06-01 16:01 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-06-02 02:20 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-06-02 02:16 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 15:13 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-06-02 02:26 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 13:11 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-06-02 21:33 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> - 2016-06-01 09:49 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 07:28 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-06-01 14:48 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 09:21 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-01 12:02 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 10:18 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-01 12:32 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:37 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-06-01 12:47 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-01 15:21 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 14:33 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 13:45 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-02 13:13 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-02 11:34 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 13:14 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-02 22:44 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-06-02 16:42 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 19:11 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-06-02 19:54 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-03 07:03 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-03 12:59 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2016-06-06 01:06 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-06-06 21:54 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-06-06 20:43 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-03 12:57 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 11:02 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 11:49 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-03 15:45 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 14:49 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2016-06-04 00:41 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-06-04 09:00 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 18:41 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-04 01:23 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-03 01:14 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 19:01 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-03 03:40 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 20:51 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-06-03 02:42 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 06:47 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-03 10:50 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 08:39 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-03 12:21 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 10:58 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-06-04 00:31 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-06-06 21:58 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 20:04 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-06-07 07:28 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 08:57 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-06-07 10:39 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 18:07 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2016-06-05 15:58 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 19:32 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-06-03 09:26 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-03 12:45 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 10:02 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-06-03 13:08 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 11:01 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-06-03 13:08 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-06-03 18:09 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-03 23:51 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-06-04 04:13 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-04 08:18 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 10:59 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-03 19:33 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-03 13:05 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 11:46 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-06-03 13:33 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-03 16:10 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-04 13:19 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-05 19:44 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 17:10 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-06-01 13:50 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 15:31 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 14:49 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-06-02 02:32 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-02 11:36 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 10:44 -0600
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-02 11:53 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-06-02 10:36 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 09:53 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-02 12:43 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 17:14 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-01 16:48 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:18 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-01 22:13 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-06-01 21:38 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-06-01 22:25 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 22:47 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 22:57 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-02 11:42 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 14:50 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-06-01 13:48 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-01 16:07 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-06-01 15:53 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-01 19:12 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:01 -0500
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-02 13:20 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 08:10 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 14:47 -0700
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-02 06:44 -0400
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-06-02 14:02 +0100
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-02 13:23 +0000
Re: _The Borrowed World: A Novel of Post-Apocalyptic Collapse_ (Volume 1) by Franklin Horton Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-06-01 12:38 -0700
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-02 19:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA61BC1907BD21taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #441150 |
Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20160602b@crcomp.net:
> Explosive thoughts fill my mind anywhere within a ten mile
> radius of a plant.
That apparently says more about your mind that the explosive
potential of refineries.
Refineries catch fire. Not often, but regularly.
And they don't explode. Decades of engineering has gone into making
it as unlikely as possible for them to explode, and engineers are
pretty good at that sort of thing.
Get over it. Dumbass.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2016-06-03 03:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160602d@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #441151 |
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: > Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20160602b@crcomp.net: > >> Explosive thoughts fill my mind anywhere within a ten mile >> radius of a plant. > > That apparently says more about your mind that the explosive > potential of refineries. > > Refineries catch fire. Not often, but regularly. > > And they don't explode. Decades of engineering has gone into making > it as unlikely as possible for them to explode, and engineers are > pretty good at that sort of thing. > > Get over it. Dumbass. As luck would have it, tonight's service call included a long talk with a mechanical engineer who has decades of experience with tank farms and refineries. He's an inventor. It turns out that my own explosive thoughts about that one particular plant is right on the money. It's different. That particular plant has a big devil in the details. Fortunately, the vast majority of plants have only a little devil in the details. (I won't disclose details of the devil in a public forum.) He said that my own inexperience with refineries makes them appear overly dangerous to me. In the same manner that some people are over apprehensive about electricity. Then we talked about this thread. He said that the industry considered all possible science fiction scenarios to make plants almost explosion proof and mostly flame proof. He echoed the consensus of this thread. He said that after the Bhopal disaster the industry made everything triple, and in some cases, quadruple redundant. Every possible scenario is covered. When something new and unexpected happens the redundancy is retrofitted into existing plants. Unfortunately, there's still a little devil in the details at all refineries. I repeatedly had him clarify the devil. (I won't disclose the details of the devil in a public forum.) Perhaps Horton also chose not to disclose the details of the devil in _The Borrowed World_. So he cooked up a unlikely scenario instead. It turns out that my original closing wish is right on the money. May your consensus protect you. -- Don Kuenz KB7RPU
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-02 20:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA61BD42A5A6C7taustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #441158 |
Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20160602d@crcomp.net:
>
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote in
>> news:20160602b@crcomp.net:
>>
>>> Explosive thoughts fill my mind anywhere within a ten mile
>>> radius of a plant.
>>
>> That apparently says more about your mind that the explosive
>> potential of refineries.
>>
>> Refineries catch fire. Not often, but regularly.
>>
>> And they don't explode. Decades of engineering has gone into
>> making it as unlikely as possible for them to explode, and
>> engineers are pretty good at that sort of thing.
>>
>> Get over it. Dumbass.
>
> As luck would have it, tonight's service call included a long
> talk with a mechanical engineer who has decades of experience
> with tank farms and refineries. He's an inventor.
>
> It turns out that my own explosive thoughts about that one
> particular plant is right on the money. It's different. That
> particular plant has a big devil in the details. Fortunately,
> the vast majority of plants have only a little devil in the
> details. (I won't disclose details of the devil in a public
> forum.)
>
> He said that my own inexperience with refineries makes them
> appear overly dangerous to me. In the same manner that some
> people are over apprehensive about electricity.
>
> Then we talked about this thread. He said that the industry
> considered all possible science fiction scenarios to make plants
> almost explosion proof and mostly flame proof.
>
> He echoed the consensus of this thread. He said that after the
> Bhopal disaster the industry made everything triple, and in some
> cases, quadruple redundant.
>
> Every possible scenario is covered. When something new and
> unexpected happens the redundancy is retrofitted into existing
> plants.
Frankly, I don't believe you. You're so committed to childishly
refusing to admit you said something stupid, and bought a stupid
scenario in a badly written book, that, so far as I can tell,
you're making shit up at this point.
Claiming anonymous support just makes you look stupid. Er.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-03 02:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2ecf4dfa-53ca-4355-aeaf-03b2febadf60@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #441151 |
On Friday, 3 June 2016 03:01:42 UTC+1, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: > Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20160602b@crcomp.net: > > > Explosive thoughts fill my mind anywhere within a ten mile > > radius of a plant. > > That apparently says more about your mind that the explosive > potential of refineries. > > Refineries catch fire. Not often, but regularly. > > And they don't explode. Decades of engineering has gone into making > it as unlikely as possible for them to explode, and engineers are > pretty good at that sort of thing. Sure. Just look at how safe nuclear plants are. They're famous for it. A bunch of movies are made about it. And, then again, safety engineering costs money, and if there hasn't been a national disaster lately, saving money becomes a greater priority.
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| From | Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-03 06:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <80f8df80-bf6b-424d-a662-c02971b3be6e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #441167 |
On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 5:42:06 AM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote: > On Friday, 3 June 2016 03:01:42 UTC+1, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: > > Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20160602b@crcomp.net: > > > > > Explosive thoughts fill my mind anywhere within a ten mile > > > radius of a plant. > > > > That apparently says more about your mind that the explosive > > potential of refineries. > > > > Refineries catch fire. Not often, but regularly. > > > > And they don't explode. Decades of engineering has gone into making > > it as unlikely as possible for them to explode, and engineers are > > pretty good at that sort of thing. > > Sure. Just look at how safe nuclear plants are. > They're famous for it. I realize you're trying to be ironic, but the fact is, you are non-ironically correct, when comparing nukes to coal. The fossil fuel extraction and power industries are far, far more dangerous. http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/whats-the-deadliest-power-source There's a chart halfway down the page Deaths/TWhr by source Coal, China 90 Coal, World 60 Coal, US 15 Oil 35 Natural Gas 4 Nuclear <1 Solar <1 Wind <1 That data doesn't count the thousands of deaths from coal industry pollution, from fly ash and mercury. Nukes, and renewables, are by far the safest sources of electrical power. But thousands of miners dying of black lung don't make the news. An old-style, no-one-would-build-it-like-that-now Nuke leaking radiation does. pt
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| From | "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-03 10:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nis5fj$i55$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #441167 |
On 6/3/16 5:42 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Friday, 3 June 2016 03:01:42 UTC+1, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20160602b@crcomp.net:
>>
>>> Explosive thoughts fill my mind anywhere within a ten mile
>>> radius of a plant.
>>
>> That apparently says more about your mind that the explosive
>> potential of refineries.
>>
>> Refineries catch fire. Not often, but regularly.
>>
>> And they don't explode. Decades of engineering has gone into making
>> it as unlikely as possible for them to explode, and engineers are
>> pretty good at that sort of thing.
>
> Sure. Just look at how safe nuclear plants are.
> They're famous for it. A bunch of movies are made
> about it.
They are incredibly safe, actually. How many people have died due to
nuclear power plant accidents? Now how many have died due to accidents
at coal plants (still their major competitor)? How many died in building
hydropower dams? How many could die if the dam failed?
Nuclear power has an absolutely stellar record of safety. Perfect? No,
nothing in the universe is perfect. But better than any of its
reasonable competitors, yes.
People also make movies about shark attacks. How many shark attacks are
there in a year? How many opportunities do sharks HAVE to attack people
per year? So you're vastly more at risk driving to work than you are
going swimming, yet they make a lot more movies about killer sharks than
about people crashing their cars on the way to work.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-03 08:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA61C580BD4ABFtaustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #441171 |
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
news:nis5fj$i55$1@dont-email.me:
> People also make movies about shark attacks. How many shark
> attacks are
> there in a year?
Actually, shark attacks are up sharply this year. There have been
multiple beach closings here in southern California this year due to
shark attacks.
Apparently, if you make a species protected, and keep people from
killing them, their population goes up. Who knew?
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-03 12:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nisar8$5k6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #441175 |
On 6/3/16 11:39 AM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
> news:nis5fj$i55$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> People also make movies about shark attacks. How many shark
>> attacks are
>> there in a year?
>
> Actually, shark attacks are up sharply this year. There have been
> multiple beach closings here in southern California this year due to
> shark attacks.
>
> Apparently, if you make a species protected, and keep people from
> killing them, their population goes up. Who knew?
>
Sharply up from average years, but in no way anything to worry about
for any ordinary beachgoer. Worldwide, last year there were a record 98
unprovoked shark attacks, of which about 1/4 were fatal.
Compare that to lightning strikes, which kill THOUSANDS of people
worldwide, and in the US alone, lightning strikes around 500 people a
year, and kills 50 of them.
And most of us don't really worry about lightning strikes much.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-03 10:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA61C6F9F2E9ADtaustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #441177 |
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
news:nisar8$5k6$1@dont-email.me:
> On 6/3/16 11:39 AM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
>> news:nis5fj$i55$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> People also make movies about shark attacks. How many
>>> shark attacks are
>>> there in a year?
>>
>> Actually, shark attacks are up sharply this year. There have
>> been multiple beach closings here in southern California this
>> year due to shark attacks.
>>
>> Apparently, if you make a species protected, and keep people
>> from killing them, their population goes up. Who knew?
>>
>
>
> Sharply up from average years, but in no way anything to
> worry about
> for any ordinary beachgoer. Worldwide, last year there were a
> record 98 unprovoked shark attacks, of which about 1/4 were
> fatal.
>
> Compare that to lightning strikes, which kill THOUSANDS of
> people
> worldwide, and in the US alone, lightning strikes around 500
> people a year, and kills 50 of them.
Yeah, but mostly, they're golfers, so who cares?
>
> And most of us don't really worry about lightning strikes
> much.
>
When lightning "strikes" a house, it's normally striking the ground
nearby. Occasionally, it's a direct hit. That happened to a friend
of my Mom's when I was a kid, who lived on top of a hill. Direct
strike on the lightning rod. The #8 solid copper wire (or maybe
bigger) exploded into pieces about four inches long that were still
glowing red hot an hour later when the firemen arrived (it was
quite a ways out in the country). The lightning rod was grounded to
the plubming - standard procedure - so it went through the
dishwasher into the house electrical system, and blew every outlet
in the house several inches out of the walls. The rim of the cast
iron sink was peeled away. The only appliance that survived was the
TV, which was unplugged (in case lightning hit the antenna, to
protect the rest of the electrical system. The fire, fortunately,
was small.
We don't worry much about lightning strikes, because they're rare,
but be very afraid of what happens when they do occur.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-04 00:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <grl4lbt5eqmqh8hs4b4vtlo5i44ahjm9f1@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #441190 |
On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 10:58:22 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: >When lightning "strikes" a house, it's normally striking the ground >nearby. Occasionally, it's a direct hit. When lightning hit our house on September 4, 1980, it hit the connection between the house and the incoming power line. Several upstairs outlets exploded and set half the upper floor on fire, but the fuses for the rest of the house blew without doing any damage. When lightning hit our rebuilt house on September 4, 1981, it struck the rooftop TV antenna that was no longer connected to anything, since we had cable by then; the wire leading from the antenna was coiled on top of a heating vent, so the bolt grounded out through the heating system, charring a few spots but not setting anything on fire. Didn't even blow the fuse on the furnace, so far as I recall. Scared the shit out of me, blinded me for a second or two (I was in the room where the heating vent was), but did no real damage. Since then, I try not to buy houses that close (one block) to the highest point in town. Though our present one is only a few yards from the highest point on a ridge; fortunately, there are higher ridges nearby and several trees in our yard taller than the house. -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-06 21:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <P4adnS_W9v3wpcvKnZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #441190 |
On 2016-06-03, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: > When lightning "strikes" a house, it's normally striking the ground > nearby. Occasionally, it's a direct hit. That happened to a friend > of my Mom's when I was a kid, who lived on top of a hill. Direct > strike on the lightning rod. The #8 solid copper wire (or maybe > bigger) exploded into pieces about four inches long that were still > glowing red hot an hour later when the firemen arrived (it was > quite a ways out in the country). The lightning rod was grounded to > the plubming - standard procedure - so it went through the > dishwasher into the house electrical system, and blew every outlet > in the house several inches out of the walls. The rim of the cast > iron sink was peeled away. The only appliance that survived was the > TV, which was unplugged (in case lightning hit the antenna, to > protect the rest of the electrical system. The fire, fortunately, > was small. ObSF: the reason WHY the main character in The Vortex Blasters (by Doc Smith) became obsessed with extinguishing the vortices. > We don't worry much about lightning strikes, because they're rare, > but be very afraid of what happens when they do occur. Yep. Gotta multiply the danger by the actual risk probability. Lots of folks can't reliably calculate either one, let alone get near the right answer. Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd/ -net.legends/Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-06 20:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA61FCC26F1F22taustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #441349 |
David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:P4adnS_W9v3wpcvKnZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@earthlink.com:
> Yep. Gotta multiply the danger by the actual risk probability.
> Lots of folks can't reliably calculate either one, let alone get
> near the right answer.
>
Lots of people have a hard time remembering to put on pants when they
go out for fast food.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-07 07:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <908dbe9a-b61e-4975-b7cd-62da6099f5eb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #441351 |
On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 11:04:09 PM UTC-4, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: > David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in > news:P4adnS_W9v3wpcvKnZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@earthlink.com: > > > Yep. Gotta multiply the danger by the actual risk probability. > > Lots of folks can't reliably calculate either one, let alone get > > near the right answer. > > > Lots of people have a hard time remembering to put on pants when they > go out for fast food. Not a big problem if they use the drive-through. Unless they are also forgetful about undergarments. Kevin R
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-07 08:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6205B1E7A7C8taustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #441375 |
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote in
news:908dbe9a-b61e-4975-b7cd-62da6099f5eb@googlegroups.com:
> On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 11:04:09 PM UTC-4, Gutless Umbrella
> Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:P4adnS_W9v3wpcvKnZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>
>> > Yep. Gotta multiply the danger by the actual risk
>> > probability. Lots of folks can't reliably calculate either
>> > one, let alone get near the right answer.
>> >
>> Lots of people have a hard time remembering to put on pants
>> when they go out for fast food.
>
> Not a big problem if they use the drive-through.
>
> Unless they are also forgetful about undergarments.
>
Heh.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-07 10:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <bqydnbyLI8dZd8vKnZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #441351 |
On 2016-06-07, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: > David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in >> Yep. Gotta multiply the danger by the actual risk probability. >> Lots of folks can't reliably calculate either one, let alone get >> near the right answer. > > Lots of people have a hard time remembering to put on pants when they > go out for fast food. ... I don't think Pizza Hut is actually 'fast food'. But thank you anyway for reminding me! Dave, so much to do, so little concern for peer pressure -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd/ -net.legends/Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-07 18:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA620B84C8FC9taustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #441380 |
David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:bqydnbyLI8dZd8vKnZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@earthlink.com:
> On 2016-06-07, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>> Yep. Gotta multiply the danger by the actual risk probability.
>>> Lots of folks can't reliably calculate either one, let alone
>>> get near the right answer.
>>
>> Lots of people have a hard time remembering to put on pants
>> when they go out for fast food.
>
> ... I don't think Pizza Hut is actually 'fast food'. But thank
> you anyway for reminding me!
Do you disagree with the "fast" part or the "food" part?
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-05 15:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <efc62126-ab5b-4bc7-81f6-7265eeb6db88@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #441175 |
On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 1:39:21 AM UTC+10, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in > news:nis5fj$i55$1@dont-email.me: > > > People also make movies about shark attacks. How many shark > > attacks are > > there in a year? > > Actually, shark attacks are up sharply this year. There have been > multiple beach closings here in southern California this year due to > shark attacks. > > Apparently, if you make a species protected, and keep people from > killing them, their population goes up. Who knew? We (Australia) have seen an increase in shark attacks too. Interestingly, every time someone's taken there's an outcry to protect the shark from kneejerk politicians ordering it killed. 50 years ago a shark attack would have seen a free-for-all wholesale killing of them. And on a personal note: my wife and I were stand up paddleboarding off Waikiki beach last year when a surfer remarked "We're lucky today, we've got the whole beach to ourselves as everyone's scared to come in after the recent shark attacks." We shrugged and stayed out. The SUP-ing was just too good. -Moriarty
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-05 19:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA61EC6D47D398taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #441299 |
Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote in
news:efc62126-ab5b-4bc7-81f6-7265eeb6db88@googlegroups.com:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 1:39:21 AM UTC+10, Gutless Umbrella
> Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
>> news:nis5fj$i55$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>> > People also make movies about shark attacks. How many
>> > shark attacks are
>> > there in a year?
>>
>> Actually, shark attacks are up sharply this year. There have
>> been multiple beach closings here in southern California this
>> year due to shark attacks.
>>
>> Apparently, if you make a species protected, and keep people
>> from killing them, their population goes up. Who knew?
>
> We (Australia) have seen an increase in shark attacks too.
> Interestingly, every time someone's taken there's an outcry to
> protect the shark from kneejerk politicians ordering it killed.
> 50 years ago a shark attack would have seen a free-for-all
> wholesale killing of them.
There were protess over killing the gorilla that mauled a kid who got
into the cage. People are stupid assholes.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-03 09:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <79d69b96-80f0-4cb4-acb9-32a1e79c0161@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #441171 |
On Friday, 3 June 2016 15:50:29 UTC+1, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote: > On 6/3/16 5:42 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote: > > On Friday, 3 June 2016 03:01:42 UTC+1, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: > >> Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20160602b@crcomp.net: > >> > >>> Explosive thoughts fill my mind anywhere within a ten mile > >>> radius of a plant. > >> > >> That apparently says more about your mind that the explosive > >> potential of refineries. > >> > >> Refineries catch fire. Not often, but regularly. > >> > >> And they don't explode. Decades of engineering has gone into making > >> it as unlikely as possible for them to explode, and engineers are > >> pretty good at that sort of thing. > > > > Sure. Just look at how safe nuclear plants are. > > They're famous for it. A bunch of movies are made > > about it. > > They are incredibly safe, actually. How many people have died due to > nuclear power plant accidents? Now how many have died due to accidents > at coal plants (still their major competitor)? How many died in building > hydropower dams? How many could die if the dam failed? > > > Nuclear power has an absolutely stellar record of safety. Perfect? No, > nothing in the universe is perfect. But better than any of its > reasonable competitors, yes. Perhaps I am unfair, but I detected complacency about engineers /and private industry/ (or public) being able to build things that don't ggggggggo worng, in both unprecedented and precedented ways. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge_%281940%29> for instance describes the clever idea to build the thing much cheaper than with "conventional" design. Just imagine, we might have never heard about that bridge, or not much. > People also make movies about shark attacks. How many shark attacks are > there in a year? How many opportunities do sharks HAVE to attack people > per year? So you're vastly more at risk driving to work than you are > going swimming, yet they make a lot more movies about killer sharks than > about people crashing their cars on the way to work. If we all swam to work then there'd probably be many more shark attacks. ObSF _Waterworld_. And for that matter, I suspect that in movies overall there are more car accidents than there are shark attacks.
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| From | "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-03 12:45 -0400 |
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On 6/3/16 12:26 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Friday, 3 June 2016 15:50:29 UTC+1, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> On 6/3/16 5:42 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>> On Friday, 3 June 2016 03:01:42 UTC+1, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>>> Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20160602b@crcomp.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Explosive thoughts fill my mind anywhere within a ten mile
>>>>> radius of a plant.
>>>>
>>>> That apparently says more about your mind that the explosive
>>>> potential of refineries.
>>>>
>>>> Refineries catch fire. Not often, but regularly.
>>>>
>>>> And they don't explode. Decades of engineering has gone into making
>>>> it as unlikely as possible for them to explode, and engineers are
>>>> pretty good at that sort of thing.
>>>
>>> Sure. Just look at how safe nuclear plants are.
>>> They're famous for it. A bunch of movies are made
>>> about it.
>>
>> They are incredibly safe, actually. How many people have died due to
>> nuclear power plant accidents? Now how many have died due to accidents
>> at coal plants (still their major competitor)? How many died in building
>> hydropower dams? How many could die if the dam failed?
>>
>>
>> Nuclear power has an absolutely stellar record of safety. Perfect? No,
>> nothing in the universe is perfect. But better than any of its
>> reasonable competitors, yes.
>
> Perhaps I am unfair, but I detected complacency
> about engineers /and private industry/ (or public)
> being able to build things that don't ggggggggo worng,
> in both unprecedented and precedented ways.
No one can build things that don't go wrong. The question is whether
they go wrong often enough for you to worry about. Nukes generally
don't, partly because people are so paranoid about them that they're
held to standards NO OTHER INDUSTRY is, or ever has been.
>> People also make movies about shark attacks. How many shark attacks are
>> there in a year? How many opportunities do sharks HAVE to attack people
>> per year? So you're vastly more at risk driving to work than you are
>> going swimming, yet they make a lot more movies about killer sharks than
>> about people crashing their cars on the way to work.
>
> If we all swam to work then there'd probably be many
> more shark attacks. ObSF _Waterworld_.
But still not enough to worry about, because sharks actually don't like
eating us. Worldwide death toll last year from sharks: about 25.
Worldwide death toll from lightning strikes: somewhere between 6,000 and
24,000, depending on what sources you ask. Traffic fatalities last year,
worldwide: about 1.25 million.
Yet we generally aren't trembling with fear when we get in our cars,
buses, or whatever, despite the fact that it is hundreds of times more
likely we'll die that way than by lightning, and fifty thousand times
more likely we'll die that way then by shark attack.
>
> And for that matter, I suspect that in movies overall
> there are more car accidents than there are shark attacks.
>
Probably, but they aren't usually the center of the movie. I can't
think of a movie titled "Car Accident" but there's multiple movies
called "Shark Attack" or a variant thereof.
--
Sea Wasp
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