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  Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-10 02:00 +0000
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Catherine Jefferson <spamtrap@spambouncer.org> - 2015-11-09 18:59 -0800
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-09 22:24 -0500
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-09 21:23 -0800
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-10 05:30 +0000
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-09 23:17 -0700
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-10 09:35 -0500
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-10 16:35 +0000
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 11:52 -0500
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 12:39 -0500
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 11:54 -0500
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-10 01:38 -0700
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-09 22:16 -0500
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-09 22:38 -0500
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-10 03:52 +0000
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-10 05:33 +0000
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-10 17:34 -0500
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-09 20:31 -0700
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-10 09:38 -0500
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-10 16:37 +0000
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-10 12:44 -0500
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-10 12:28 -0700
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-10 14:39 -0500
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-11-10 12:28 -0800
                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-10 23:35 -0500
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 00:09 -0500
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 21:46 -0800
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 06:00 +0000
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2015-11-17 04:22 -0800
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 12:31 -0800
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2015-11-17 13:03 -0800
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-18 13:11 -0800
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-18 15:35 -0700
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-19 15:00 -0500
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 15:06 -0800
                              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-19 21:46 -0600
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-11-10 11:41 -0800
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-10 23:32 -0500
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-10 10:43 -0800
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-11 07:49 -0600
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-11 06:55 -0800
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 15:59 -0500
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-11 13:16 -0800
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 17:44 -0500
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-13 03:52 -0800
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-13 13:21 -0500
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 15:31 +0000
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-11 13:33 -0500
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-09 21:27 -0800
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-09 21:30 -0800
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-11-09 22:51 -0800
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-10 01:35 -0700
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-10 15:57 +0000
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-10 08:19 -0800
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-10 12:38 -0700
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 21:50 -0800
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 03:07 -0500
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2015-11-10 08:41 +0000
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-10 14:26 +0000
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-10 06:37 -0800
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-10 17:40 -0500
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> - 2015-11-10 17:45 -0800
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF PeterM <petermeilinger@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 18:00 -0800
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-13 15:58 +0000
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-11 06:54 -0800
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 10:37 -0800
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-12 18:23 +0000
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 11:15 -0500
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-10 16:44 +0000
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-10 19:59 +0000
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-11-10 14:43 -0800
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2015-11-10 22:08 -0800
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 06:16 +0000
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-12 18:25 +0000
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-12 21:26 +0000
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-13 15:59 +0000
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-11-10 23:20 +0000
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-11-10 18:11 -0800
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2015-11-10 21:59 -0800
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-11 07:52 -0600
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 05:53 +0000
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-11-11 15:41 +0000
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 08:15 -0800
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-11 16:49 +0000
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 19:34 +0000
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 09:33 -0800
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-12 09:51 -0800
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-12 23:46 -0500
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-12 18:32 +0000
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> - 2015-11-27 21:58 -0800
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-28 09:31 -0800
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-11 10:52 -0800
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 19:38 +0000
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-11 11:52 -0800
                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 17:47 -0500
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-11 15:15 -0800
                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-12 11:14 -0500
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-12 16:55 +0000
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-11-12 09:18 -0800
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-12 09:40 -0800
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-12 17:49 +0000
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-12 12:37 -0700
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Erik Trulsson <erikt@Update.UU.SE> - 2015-11-16 13:40 +0000
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:46 -0700
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-12 17:32 -0800
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-12 17:54 -0800
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-11 13:25 -0800
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 07:24 -0800
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-12 09:02 -0800
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-12 17:51 +0000
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-12 17:46 -0800
                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 05:01 -0500
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-11 17:36 -0600
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-10 08:22 -0800
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-10 19:59 +0000
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-11-13 13:44 +0000
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 10:25 -0800
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-14 06:25 -0800
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Stephen Allcroft <stephenallcroft@lycos.co.uk> - 2015-11-21 07:30 -0800
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-11-22 12:53 -0800
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net> - 2015-11-10 16:36 +0000
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF banjo@dontspam.silent.com - 2015-11-10 17:33 +0000
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-12 14:44 +0000
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Tim McCaffrey <timcaffrey@aol.com> - 2015-11-10 10:25 -0800
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-10 17:49 -0500
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-11 01:01 -0500
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 19:02 -0500
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2015-11-10 21:15 +0000
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-10 21:36 +0000
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-10 21:40 +0000
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-10 16:33 -0800
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> - 2015-11-10 17:51 -0800
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 13:43 -0800
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-13 16:03 +0000
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-11-16 14:57 +0000
                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-11-16 09:25 -0800
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-16 12:51 -0500
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-16 14:51 -0500
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-16 21:09 +0000
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-17 08:41 -0500
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 12:19 -0800
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-16 15:57 -0500
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 20:59 -0800
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-17 08:47 -0500
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 12:43 -0800
                              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-11-18 11:38 +0000
                                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-18 06:55 -0500
                                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 12:18 -0800
                                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-11-20 17:57 +0000
                                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 11:59 -0800
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2015-11-16 22:15 -0800
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 12:29 -0800
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-16 15:36 -0500
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 12:42 -0800
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-16 21:13 +0000
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-11-16 13:54 -0800
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net> - 2015-11-16 23:28 +0000
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2015-11-16 22:00 -0800
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2015-11-17 21:53 -0800
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-11-20 18:50 +0000
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 12:05 -0800
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-20 23:07 +0000
                              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 21:34 -0800
                                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-21 06:18 +0000
                                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 14:35 -0800
                                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 00:34 +0000
                                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 19:41 -0800
                                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 03:58 +0000
                                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-21 20:55 -0800
                                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:28 -0800
                                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-23 16:35 -0800
                                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-24 03:50 +0000
                                              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-24 04:16 -0800
                                                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-11-24 12:55 +0000
                                                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 06:35 -0800
                                                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-24 06:57 -0800
                                                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-24 11:44 -0500
                                                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-24 11:43 -0500
                                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2015-11-22 13:51 +1300
                                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 01:36 +0000
                                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-21 19:27 -0800
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-16 23:27 -0700
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 19:12 -0500
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-17 01:55 +0000
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-16 21:18 -0500
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 22:45 -0500
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-17 05:58 +0000
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-16 23:23 -0700
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 05:57 +0000
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2015-11-10 21:35 +0000
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-10 23:58 +0000
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-10 23:58 -0500
        Rolling Roads Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-11 01:24 -0700
          Re: Rolling Roads David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-11 01:34 -0700
            Re: Rolling Roads Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-11 07:09 -0800
              Re: Rolling Roads "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 18:40 -0500
                Re: Rolling Roads David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-11 18:28 -0700
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-11 03:40 -0800
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-11 14:20 +0000
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-11 09:31 -0500
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-11 15:56 +0000
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-12 11:17 -0500
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-11 07:11 -0800
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> - 2015-11-10 17:42 -0800
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF synthius2002@yahoo.com - 2015-11-10 20:23 -0800
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-11-11 06:46 +0000
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 03:13 -0500
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-11 09:23 -0500
        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 15:40 +0000
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-12 18:40 +0000
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2015-11-12 21:11 +0000
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-12 23:55 -0500
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-12 22:02 -0700
                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-13 14:59 +0000
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-13 08:17 -0800
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-13 17:01 +0000
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF John Savard <quadibloc@barney-mail.invalid> - 2015-11-13 16:27 +0000
                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-13 14:14 -0500
          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-11-13 21:45 -0700
            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-14 06:08 +0000
              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-11-16 18:18 -0700
                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-17 01:56 +0000
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-11-18 19:55 +0000
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-18 20:55 +0000
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Michael Ikeda <mmikeda@erols.com> - 2015-11-18 23:48 +0000
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-18 20:23 -0500
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2015-11-19 01:35 +0000
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-19 03:28 +0000
                              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2015-11-19 14:45 +0000
                                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-19 10:01 -0500
                                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 07:19 -0800
                                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-19 15:54 +0000
                                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-19 16:56 +0000
                                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-19 10:55 -0500
                                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-19 18:34 +0000
                                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 10:50 -0800
                                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-19 19:21 +0000
                                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-20 05:11 -0800
                                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-20 15:00 +0000
                                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-19 14:08 -0500
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-19 03:21 +0000
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-11-22 15:34 +0000
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 16:25 +0000
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-11-22 17:32 +0000
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 18:03 +0000
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-22 13:21 -0500
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 21:33 +0000
                              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-22 19:25 -0500
                                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-23 01:15 +0000
                                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-23 14:31 -0800
                                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-24 00:05 +0000
                                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-11-24 02:24 -0600
                                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-24 04:39 -0800
                                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-24 07:51 -0500
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-22 10:41 -0800
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-11-22 21:16 +0000
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-19 15:03 -0500
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-19 15:22 -0500
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-19 15:32 -0500
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-11-19 20:56 +0000
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-19 16:19 -0500
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 13:14 -0800
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-19 16:22 -0500
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 13:49 -0800
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-19 14:28 -0700
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-19 16:30 -0500
                              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-19 14:31 -0700
                                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-11-19 21:37 +0000
                                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-19 16:50 -0500
                                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 13:53 -0800
                                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-11-19 21:56 +0000
                                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-19 18:17 -0500
                                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-19 18:43 -0800
                                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 22:24 -0600
                                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 22:31 -0600
                              Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-19 14:38 -0700
                                Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 13:59 -0800
                            Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 13:51 -0800
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-19 21:46 +0000
                  Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-11-19 03:55 +0000
                    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-19 05:36 +0000
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-11-19 06:53 +0000
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Chrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 02:37 -0700
                          Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-20 11:36 +0000
                        Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-20 03:08 -0800
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-19 05:05 -0800
                      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-11-19 08:16 -0700
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF mzenier@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier) - 2015-11-11 19:09 +0000
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2015-11-14 10:42 +0000
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 21:59 -0800
    Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> - 2015-11-27 22:30 -0800
      Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> - 2015-11-27 22:33 -0800

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#425962

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 20:00:12 in article <n1rj3c$opv$1@reader1.panix.com> James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
> Next year I will be running a humane experiment in which young volunteers
> largely unfamiliar with classic prose SF read and review short works of
> classic SF. I am interested in (but not bound by) suggestions.
> 
> The parameters that come to mind are novella or shorter, and pre-1980.
> 
> The current plan is two pre-golden age stories (which I have already picked),
> then five stories each from the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s and the 1970s. 
> So I guess suggestions should include the year the story was first published.

"The Colour Out of Space" (1927) H. P. Lovecraft

"And He Built a Crooked House" (1941) by Robert A. Heinlein

-- 
F. Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net>

      ur sag9-ga ur-tur-še3 ba-an-kur9
"A dog that is played with turns into a puppy." (Sumerian proverb)

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#425967

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 02:00:12 +0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:

>Next year I will be running a humane experiment in which young volunteers
>largely unfamiliar with classic prose SF read and review short works of
>classic SF. I am interested in (but not bound by) suggestions.
>
>The parameters that come to mind are novella or shorter, and pre-1980.
>
>The current plan is two pre-golden age stories (which I have already picked),
>then five stories each from the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s and the 1970s. 
>So I guess suggestions should include the year the story was first published.

James H Schmitz - Watch The Sky (short story)
From: Analog, August 1962

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24558/24558-h/24558-h.htm

It is on Gutenberg in its original (pre-Baen) form with some nice
illustrations by Hortens so you not only get a good story you also get
a good idea of why Analog, Amazing, FSF, etc were so popular.

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#426170

banjo@dontspam.silent.com wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 02:00:12 +0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
> Nicoll) wrote:
>
>>Next year I will be running a humane experiment in which young volunteers
>>largely unfamiliar with classic prose SF read and review short works of
>>classic SF. I am interested in (but not bound by) suggestions.
>>
>>The parameters that come to mind are novella or shorter, and pre-1980.
>>
>>The current plan is two pre-golden age stories (which I have already picked),
>>then five stories each from the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s and the 1970s.
>>So I guess suggestions should include the year the story was first published.
>
> James H Schmitz - Watch The Sky (short story)
> From: Analog, August 1962
>
> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24558/24558-h/24558-h.htm
>
> It is on Gutenberg in its original (pre-Baen) form with some nice
> illustrations by Hortens so you not only get a good story you also get
> a good idea of why Analog, Amazing, FSF, etc were so popular.

Thank you. What a great little story.

These days they actually get away with using "Too Big Too Fail" (TBTF)
to refer to the designated winners of government largesse. In the story
the government only becomes suspictious when masterminds who are not
part of the TBTF win. Yeah. That just about sums it up. Thank you again.

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 `-'                              And returned on the previous night.

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#425971

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:00:14 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> Next year I will be running a humane experiment in which young volunteers
> largely unfamiliar with classic prose SF read and review short works of
> classic SF. I am interested in (but not bound by) suggestions.
> 
> The parameters that come to mind are novella or shorter, and pre-1980.
> 
> The current plan is two pre-golden age stories (which I have already picked),
> then five stories each from the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s and the 1970s. 
> So I guess suggestions should include the year the story was first published.
> 
> 

Hey, nobody mentioned Andre Norton or Clifford D. Simak.

I get a kick out of re-reading these authors because their stories
were almost immune to technological advances (so far).  The usual
exceptions are computers and cell phones (seems like nobody
was willing to follow the expontential curve).

Andre Norton: The Sargasso of Space
Clifford Simak: Way Station
(of course, lots more examples....)

              - Tim

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#426008

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:25:11 -0800 (PST), Tim McCaffrey
<timcaffrey@aol.com> wrote
in<news:2f630066-fbfc-4aa9-81fe-37bfbbc3818e@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> Hey, nobody mentioned Andre Norton or Clifford D. Simak.

The problem is that their novels are more memorable than
their shorter works.  _Way Station_ is wonderful, but it’s
too long.  The 1969 novella ‘Toys of Tamisan’ is a
possibility for Norton.

[...]

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#426043

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:49:21 -0500, "Brian M. Scott"
<b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:25:11 -0800 (PST), Tim McCaffrey
><timcaffrey@aol.com> wrote
>in<news:2f630066-fbfc-4aa9-81fe-37bfbbc3818e@googlegroups.com>
>in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>[...]
>
>> Hey, nobody mentioned Andre Norton or Clifford D. Simak.
>
>The problem is that their novels are more memorable than
>their shorter works.  _Way Station_ is wonderful, but it’s
>too long.  The 1969 novella ‘Toys of Tamisan’ is a
>possibility for Norton.
>
>[...]

Someone suggested "Desertion" for Simak, and that works for me.





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#426013

In article <2f630066-fbfc-4aa9-81fe-37bfbbc3818e@googlegroups.com>, 
timcaffrey@aol.com says...
> 
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:00:14 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Next year I will be running a humane experiment in which young volunteers
> > largely unfamiliar with classic prose SF read and review short works of
> > classic SF. I am interested in (but not bound by) suggestions.
> > 
> > The parameters that come to mind are novella or shorter, and pre-1980.
> > 
> > The current plan is two pre-golden age stories (which I have already picked),
> > then five stories each from the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s and the 1970s. 
> > So I guess suggestions should include the year the story was first published.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Hey, nobody mentioned Andre Norton or Clifford D. Simak.
> 
> I get a kick out of re-reading these authors because their stories
> were almost immune to technological advances (so far).  The usual
> exceptions are computers and cell phones (seems like nobody
> was willing to follow the expontential curve).

Bear in mind that when Norton was writing some of those stories the 
transistor was new, the inteegrated circuit was in the future, and 
microprocessors with today's performance were almost unimaginable (I 
remember even in the '80s people who owned micros thought that they 
would never match the performance of a '60s mainframe, let alone hammer 
a Cray XMP into the dust with 3 cores tied behind their backs.

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#425998

On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote:
> Next year I will be running a humane experiment in which young volunteers
> largely unfamiliar with classic prose SF read and review short works of
> classic SF. I am interested in (but not bound by) suggestions.
>
> The parameters that come to mind are novella or shorter, and pre-1980.
>
> The current plan is two pre-golden age stories (which I have already picked),
> then five stories each from the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s and the 1970s.
> So I guess suggestions should include the year the story was first published.
>
>
Here are short story collections that I enjoyed -


James White's Hospital stories - the front matter of "Major Operation" 
credits a variety of stories c. 1970.

James H. Schmitz's Telzey Amberdon stories - "The Universe Against Her" 
is (c) 1964. It's sold as a novel but looks like a fix-up to me. I would 
say that the first story ends at page 52.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Thousand_Light-Years_from_Home is 1973 
- I especially like "Birth of a Salesman" and "Mamma came home"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer%27s_Slammers (1979) just squeezes 
under the bar

It strikes me that some earlier books are almost thin enough to be 
novella's in today's money. A randomly chosen "Hooded Swan" story, by 
Stableford, is "Rhapsody in Black" - 1973, 125 pages.

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#426000

In article <n1tmkn$318$1@dont-email.me>,
A.G.McDowell <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Next year I will be running a humane experiment in which young volunteers
>> largely unfamiliar with classic prose SF read and review short works of
>> classic SF. I am interested in (but not bound by) suggestions.
>>
>> The parameters that come to mind are novella or shorter, and pre-1980.
>>
>> The current plan is two pre-golden age stories (which I have already picked),
>> then five stories each from the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s and the 1970s.
>> So I guess suggestions should include the year the story was first published.
>>
>>
>Here are short story collections that I enjoyed -
>
>
>James White's Hospital stories - the front matter of "Major Operation" 
>credits a variety of stories c. 1970.
>
>James H. Schmitz's Telzey Amberdon stories - "The Universe Against Her" 
>is (c) 1964. It's sold as a novel but looks like a fix-up to me. I would 
>say that the first story ends at page 52.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Thousand_Light-Years_from_Home is 1973 
>- I especially like "Birth of a Salesman" and "Mamma came home"
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer%27s_Slammers (1979) just squeezes 
>under the bar
>
>It strikes me that some earlier books are almost thin enough to be 
>novella's in today's money. A randomly chosen "Hooded Swan" story, by 
>Stableford, is "Rhapsody in Black" - 1973, 125 pages.

I've been in and out of this thread.

Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet?  "Frost & Fire" was always my
favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous.
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#426001

In article <daf6boFjvniU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>In article <n1tmkn$318$1@dont-email.me>,
>A.G.McDowell <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Next year I will be running a humane experiment in which young volunteers
>>> largely unfamiliar with classic prose SF read and review short works of
>>> classic SF. I am interested in (but not bound by) suggestions.
>>>
>>> The parameters that come to mind are novella or shorter, and pre-1980.
>>>
>>> The current plan is two pre-golden age stories (which I have already picked),
>>> then five stories each from the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s and the 1970s.
>>> So I guess suggestions should include the year the story was first published.
>>>
>>>
>>Here are short story collections that I enjoyed -
>>
>>
>>James White's Hospital stories - the front matter of "Major Operation" 
>>credits a variety of stories c. 1970.
>>
>>James H. Schmitz's Telzey Amberdon stories - "The Universe Against Her" 
>>is (c) 1964. It's sold as a novel but looks like a fix-up to me. I would 
>>say that the first story ends at page 52.
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Thousand_Light-Years_from_Home is 1973 
>>- I especially like "Birth of a Salesman" and "Mamma came home"
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer%27s_Slammers (1979) just squeezes 
>>under the bar
>>
>>It strikes me that some earlier books are almost thin enough to be 
>>novella's in today's money. A randomly chosen "Hooded Swan" story, by 
>>Stableford, is "Rhapsody in Black" - 1973, 125 pages.
>
>I've been in and out of this thread.
>
>Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet?  "Frost & Fire" was always my
>favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous.
>-- 
>------

Oh,and are we using the RASFW definition of SF?  If so, throw in
Leiber's "Lean Times in Lankhmar": The Jug! The Jug!
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#426015

On 11/10/15 1:40 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

> Oh,and are we using the RASFW definition of SF?

I'm outta here.

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#426018

On 11/10/15 1:36 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <n1tmkn$318$1@dont-email.me>,
> A.G.McDowell <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote:

>
> I've been in and out of this thread.
>
> Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet?  "Frost & Fire" was always my
> favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous.
>

Anything from the Martian Chronicles or the Illustrated Man. 
Specifically, The Veldt - 1950.
-- 
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire

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#426245

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:52:09 PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote:
> On 11/10/15 1:36 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> > In article <n1tmkn$318$1@dont-email.me>,
> > A.G.McDowell <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote:
> 
> >
> > I've been in and out of this thread.
> >
> > Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet?  "Frost & Fire" was always my
> > favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous.
> >
> 
> Anything from the Martian Chronicles or the Illustrated Man. 
> Specifically, The Veldt - 1950.

"All Summer in a Day" is one that stuck with me from my youth. 

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#426341

In article <7c9c6be2-be63-4b9c-bd1b-4beb42b349d7@googlegroups.com>,
artyw2@yahoo.com <artyw2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:52:09 PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote:
>> On 11/10/15 1:36 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> > In article <n1tmkn$318$1@dont-email.me>,
>> > A.G.McDowell <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> > I've been in and out of this thread.
>> >
>> > Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet?  "Frost & Fire" was always my
>> > favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous.
>> >
>> 
>> Anything from the Martian Chronicles or the Illustrated Man. 
>> Specifically, The Veldt - 1950.
>
>"All Summer in a Day" is one that stuck with me from my youth. 


Judging by the number of radio adaptations I have run into, the Veldt was
very very popular in the 1950s. Ditto with There Will Come SOft Rains. 
-- 
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#426750

James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <7c9c6be2-be63-4b9c-bd1b-4beb42b349d7@googlegroups.com>,
> artyw2@yahoo.com <artyw2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:52:09 PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote:
>>> On 11/10/15 1:36 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>> > In article <n1tmkn$318$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> > A.G.McDowell <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >> On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> 
>>> >
>>> > I've been in and out of this thread.
>>> >
>>> > Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet?  "Frost & Fire" was always my
>>> > favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous.
>>> >
>>> 
>>> Anything from the Martian Chronicles or the Illustrated Man. 
>>> Specifically, The Veldt - 1950.
>>
>>"All Summer in a Day" is one that stuck with me from my youth. 
> 
> 
> Judging by the number of radio adaptations I have run into, the Veldt was
> very very popular in the 1950s. Ditto with There Will Come SOft Rains. 

Still popular in some sense - both of my kids were assigned to read 
The Veldt in middle school (by different teachers) as were my wife 
and I (in different schools). This may be a cyclical/generational 
effect driven by the teachers, of course.

Tony, who was also assigned There Will Come Soft Rains, but
      my wife and kids were not

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#426761

In article <n2cqsn$d2l$1@dont-email.me>,
 nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) wrote:

> James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
> > In article <7c9c6be2-be63-4b9c-bd1b-4beb42b349d7@googlegroups.com>,
> > artyw2@yahoo.com <artyw2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:52:09 PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote:
> >>> On 11/10/15 1:36 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> >>> > In article <n1tmkn$318$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> > A.G.McDowell <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> >> On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> >
> >>> > I've been in and out of this thread.
> >>> >
> >>> > Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet?  "Frost & Fire" was always my
> >>> > favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous.
> >>> >
> >>> 
> >>> Anything from the Martian Chronicles or the Illustrated Man. 
> >>> Specifically, The Veldt - 1950.
> >>
> >>"All Summer in a Day" is one that stuck with me from my youth. 
> > 
> > 
> > Judging by the number of radio adaptations I have run into, the Veldt was
> > very very popular in the 1950s. Ditto with There Will Come SOft Rains. 
> 
> Still popular in some sense - both of my kids were assigned to read 
> The Veldt in middle school (by different teachers) as were my wife 
> and I (in different schools). This may be a cyclical/generational 
> effect driven by the teachers, of course.
> 
> Tony, who was also assigned There Will Come Soft Rains, but
>       my wife and kids were not

To my knowledge (and of course, subject to the "It came up in 
conversation at some point" limitation - I've never actively gone 
digging to find out) I've never met anyone my own age who WASN'T 
assigned The Veldt at least once in their school career. 

The first such assignment for me was 6th grade english, with a reprise 
in 8th grade American Lit., and again in 10th grade english, when we 
went through a boxed Fantasy and Fiction unit in the second semester. 

And I when I say "boxed", I mean it quite literally - the entire unit 
came as one large-ish box stenciled "Class-in-a-box - Fiction" 
containing two smaller boxes - one with about 40 copies of a 
not-quite-paperback, not-quite-textbook volume containing Bradbury's 
"The Veldt" and McCaffrey's "Weyr Search", along with 4-5 other stories 
I (mercifully, I suspect) can't remember anymore - and another filled 
with stacks of pre-dittoed worksheets and multiple-guess tests for each 
story, some posters, and a "canned" lesson plan/discussion guide for the 
teacher)

-- 
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#426762

On 11/16/15 12:25 PM, Don Bruder wrote:
> In article <n2cqsn$d2l$1@dont-email.me>,
>   nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) wrote:
>
>> James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>>> In article <7c9c6be2-be63-4b9c-bd1b-4beb42b349d7@googlegroups.com>,
>>> artyw2@yahoo.com <artyw2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:52:09 PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote:
>>>>> On 11/10/15 1:36 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <n1tmkn$318$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> A.G.McDowell <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been in and out of this thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet?  "Frost & Fire" was always my
>>>>>> favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything from the Martian Chronicles or the Illustrated Man.
>>>>> Specifically, The Veldt - 1950.
>>>>
>>>> "All Summer in a Day" is one that stuck with me from my youth.
>>>
>>>
>>> Judging by the number of radio adaptations I have run into, the Veldt was
>>> very very popular in the 1950s. Ditto with There Will Come SOft Rains.
>>
>> Still popular in some sense - both of my kids were assigned to read
>> The Veldt in middle school (by different teachers) as were my wife
>> and I (in different schools). This may be a cyclical/generational
>> effect driven by the teachers, of course.
>>
>> Tony, who was also assigned There Will Come Soft Rains, but
>>        my wife and kids were not
>
> To my knowledge (and of course, subject to the "It came up in
> conversation at some point" limitation - I've never actively gone
> digging to find out) I've never met anyone my own age who WASN'T
> assigned The Veldt at least once in their school career.
>


	I don't even know "The Veldt" (googles) Ah. Never finished that one. 
But it was never assigned to me. What's your age cohort? I'm 53. There 
wasn't a single SF-anything I can recall being assigned to me (aside 
from Shakespeare's "The Tempest" or similar) in my entire school career. 
At least until I took a college course ON SF.



-- 
                      Sea Wasp
                        /^\
                        ;;;	
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com  Blog: 
http://seawasp.livejournal.com

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#426777

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:51:41 -0500, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E.
Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote
in<news:n2d4v2$r9u$1@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:

> On 11/16/15 12:25 PM, Don Bruder wrote:

[...]

>> To my knowledge (and of course, subject to the "It came
>> up in conversation at some point" limitation - I've
>> never actively gone digging to find out) I've never met
>> anyone my own age who WASN'T assigned The Veldt at
>> least once in their school career.

> I don't even know "The Veldt" (googles) Ah. Never
> finished that one. But it was never assigned to me.
> What's your age cohort? I'm 53. 

After reading the description, I don’t think that I’ve ever
encountered it.  (I never cared much for Bradbury.)  I
certainly never encountered it in school, and I’m 67.

> There wasn't a single SF-anything I can recall being
> assigned to me (aside from Shakespeare's "The Tempest"
> or similar) in my entire school career.  [...]

Same here.

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#426795

In article <1ahxj93hb6usx.d3pfzgcnp7ws.dlg@40tude.net>,
Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:51:41 -0500, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E.
>Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote
>in<news:n2d4v2$r9u$1@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>> On 11/16/15 12:25 PM, Don Bruder wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>> To my knowledge (and of course, subject to the "It came
>>> up in conversation at some point" limitation - I've
>>> never actively gone digging to find out) I've never met
>>> anyone my own age who WASN'T assigned The Veldt at
>>> least once in their school career.
>
>> I don't even know "The Veldt" (googles) Ah. Never
>> finished that one. But it was never assigned to me.
>> What's your age cohort? I'm 53. 
>
>After reading the description, I don’t think that I’ve ever
>encountered it.  (I never cared much for Bradbury.)  I
>certainly never encountered it in school, and I’m 67.
>
>> There wasn't a single SF-anything I can recall being
>> assigned to me (aside from Shakespeare's "The Tempest"
>> or similar) in my entire school career.  [...]
>
>Same here.

The only SF I ever found in any textbook (n.b. I was born in
1942) was Benet's "By the Waters of Babylon," but of course that
was all right because he was a recognized writer and poet so of
course it couldn't be SF.

I've told the tale about how my junior-year high school teacher
hated SF, and then awarded the annual school lit'ry magazine prize
to a plagiarized fantasy that hadn't even been published in one
of the Big Three, but in one of the second- or third-rankers,
whereof I happened to have a copy ...... :)

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#426874

In article <1ahxj93hb6usx.d3pfzgcnp7ws.dlg@40tude.net>,
"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> said:

[ re "The Veldt" ]

> After reading the description, I don't think that I've ever
> encountered it.  (I never cared much for Bradbury.)

   "I also promise to stock our libraries with an A-B-C
   of the overlords of the genre: Asimov! Bester! Clarke!"

   "What about Ray Bradbury?"

   "I'm familiar with his work."

-- wds

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