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| Started by | jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) |
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| First post | 2015-11-10 02:00 +0000 |
| Last post | 2015-11-27 22:33 -0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 292 — 57 participants |
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Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-10 02:00 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Catherine Jefferson <spamtrap@spambouncer.org> - 2015-11-09 18:59 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-09 22:24 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-09 21:23 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-10 05:30 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-09 23:17 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-10 09:35 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-10 16:35 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 11:52 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 12:39 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 11:54 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-10 01:38 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-09 22:16 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-09 22:38 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-10 03:52 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-10 05:33 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-10 17:34 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-09 20:31 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-10 09:38 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-10 16:37 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-10 12:44 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-10 12:28 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-10 14:39 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-11-10 12:28 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-10 23:35 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 00:09 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 21:46 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 06:00 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2015-11-17 04:22 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 12:31 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2015-11-17 13:03 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-18 13:11 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-18 15:35 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-19 15:00 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 15:06 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-19 21:46 -0600
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-11-10 11:41 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-10 23:32 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-10 10:43 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-11 07:49 -0600
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-11 06:55 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 15:59 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-11 13:16 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 17:44 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-13 03:52 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-13 13:21 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 15:31 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-11 13:33 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-09 21:27 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-09 21:30 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-11-09 22:51 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-10 01:35 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-10 15:57 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-10 08:19 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-10 12:38 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 21:50 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 03:07 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2015-11-10 08:41 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-10 14:26 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-10 06:37 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-10 17:40 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> - 2015-11-10 17:45 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF PeterM <petermeilinger@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 18:00 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-13 15:58 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-11 06:54 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 10:37 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-12 18:23 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 11:15 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-10 16:44 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-10 19:59 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-11-10 14:43 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2015-11-10 22:08 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 06:16 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-12 18:25 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-12 21:26 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-13 15:59 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-11-10 23:20 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-11-10 18:11 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2015-11-10 21:59 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-11 07:52 -0600
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 05:53 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-11-11 15:41 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 08:15 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-11 16:49 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 19:34 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 09:33 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-12 09:51 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-12 23:46 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-12 18:32 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> - 2015-11-27 21:58 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-28 09:31 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-11 10:52 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 19:38 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-11 11:52 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 17:47 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-11 15:15 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-12 11:14 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-12 16:55 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-11-12 09:18 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-12 09:40 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-12 17:49 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-12 12:37 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Erik Trulsson <erikt@Update.UU.SE> - 2015-11-16 13:40 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:46 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-12 17:32 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-12 17:54 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-11 13:25 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 07:24 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-12 09:02 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-12 17:51 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-12 17:46 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 05:01 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-11 17:36 -0600
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-10 08:22 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-10 19:59 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-11-13 13:44 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 10:25 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-14 06:25 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Stephen Allcroft <stephenallcroft@lycos.co.uk> - 2015-11-21 07:30 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-11-22 12:53 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net> - 2015-11-10 16:36 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF banjo@dontspam.silent.com - 2015-11-10 17:33 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-12 14:44 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Tim McCaffrey <timcaffrey@aol.com> - 2015-11-10 10:25 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-10 17:49 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-11 01:01 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 19:02 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2015-11-10 21:15 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-10 21:36 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-10 21:40 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-10 16:33 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> - 2015-11-10 17:51 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 13:43 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-13 16:03 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-11-16 14:57 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-11-16 09:25 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-16 12:51 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-16 14:51 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-16 21:09 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-17 08:41 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 12:19 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-16 15:57 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 20:59 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-17 08:47 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 12:43 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-11-18 11:38 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-18 06:55 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 12:18 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-11-20 17:57 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 11:59 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2015-11-16 22:15 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 12:29 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-16 15:36 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 12:42 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-16 21:13 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-11-16 13:54 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net> - 2015-11-16 23:28 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2015-11-16 22:00 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2015-11-17 21:53 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-11-20 18:50 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 12:05 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-20 23:07 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 21:34 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-21 06:18 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 14:35 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 00:34 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 19:41 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 03:58 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-21 20:55 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:28 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-23 16:35 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-24 03:50 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-24 04:16 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-11-24 12:55 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 06:35 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-24 06:57 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-24 11:44 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-24 11:43 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2015-11-22 13:51 +1300
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 01:36 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-21 19:27 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-16 23:27 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 19:12 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-17 01:55 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-16 21:18 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 22:45 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-17 05:58 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-16 23:23 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 05:57 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2015-11-10 21:35 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-10 23:58 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-10 23:58 -0500
Rolling Roads Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-11 01:24 -0700
Re: Rolling Roads David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-11 01:34 -0700
Re: Rolling Roads Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-11 07:09 -0800
Re: Rolling Roads "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 18:40 -0500
Re: Rolling Roads David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-11 18:28 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-11 03:40 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-11 14:20 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-11 09:31 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-11 15:56 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-12 11:17 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-11 07:11 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> - 2015-11-10 17:42 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF synthius2002@yahoo.com - 2015-11-10 20:23 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-11-11 06:46 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-11 03:13 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-11 09:23 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-11 15:40 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-11-12 18:40 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2015-11-12 21:11 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-12 23:55 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-12 22:02 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-13 14:59 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-13 08:17 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-11-13 17:01 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF John Savard <quadibloc@barney-mail.invalid> - 2015-11-13 16:27 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-13 14:14 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-11-13 21:45 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-14 06:08 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-11-16 18:18 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-17 01:56 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-11-18 19:55 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-18 20:55 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Michael Ikeda <mmikeda@erols.com> - 2015-11-18 23:48 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-18 20:23 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2015-11-19 01:35 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-19 03:28 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2015-11-19 14:45 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-19 10:01 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 07:19 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-19 15:54 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-19 16:56 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-19 10:55 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-19 18:34 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 10:50 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-19 19:21 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-20 05:11 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-20 15:00 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-19 14:08 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-19 03:21 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-11-22 15:34 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 16:25 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-11-22 17:32 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 18:03 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-22 13:21 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-22 21:33 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-22 19:25 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-23 01:15 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-23 14:31 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-24 00:05 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-11-24 02:24 -0600
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-24 04:39 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-24 07:51 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-22 10:41 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-11-22 21:16 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-19 15:03 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-19 15:22 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-19 15:32 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-11-19 20:56 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-19 16:19 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 13:14 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-19 16:22 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 13:49 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-19 14:28 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-19 16:30 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-19 14:31 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-11-19 21:37 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-11-19 16:50 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 13:53 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-11-19 21:56 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-11-19 18:17 -0500
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-19 18:43 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 22:24 -0600
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 22:31 -0600
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-19 14:38 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 13:59 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-19 13:51 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-19 21:46 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-11-19 03:55 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-19 05:36 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-11-19 06:53 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Chrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 02:37 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-11-20 11:36 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-20 03:08 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-19 05:05 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-11-19 08:16 -0700
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF mzenier@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier) - 2015-11-11 19:09 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2015-11-14 10:42 +0000
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 21:59 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> - 2015-11-27 22:30 -0800
Re: Do My Homework! Young People Read Old SF JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> - 2015-11-27 22:33 -0800
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-11-21 19:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2466bcce-c1e5-4d83-86b2-3ae31804b2c6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #427435 |
On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 6:45:04 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > Before and after World War II, actually. > But I think the main difference was that several years had passed > in Steinbeck's life as well as in the outside world, and he had > become a mellow middle-ager rather than an angsty one. All I know of "Cannery Row" was that somebody made it into a movie. However, while Steinbeck's personal life could certainly have influenced *what he chose to write about*, that people enduring the Great Depression would be... less than content with the world about them, while people living in the postwar boom years from 1948 up to about 1968 would be bright and sunny... does not seem to me to reflect an author who was letting his inner feelings get in the way of an accurate depiction of reality. Not having to worry about where one's next meal is coming from does wonders for one's disposition. I would like to make it clear, though, I am commenting on how what you wrote looks to me on the surface; I know you are an intelligent person, and this impression I have gained is of this particular post is no doubt merely due to a slip, perhaps on my part. John Savard
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2015-11-16 23:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <davvn1FsjdiU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #426762 |
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >On 11/16/15 12:25 PM, Don Bruder wrote: >>>>>>> Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet? "Frost & Fire" was always my >>>>>>> favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous. >>>>>> Anything from the Martian Chronicles or the Illustrated Man. >>>>>> Specifically, The Veldt - 1950. >> To my knowledge (and of course, subject to the "It came up in >> conversation at some point" limitation - I've never actively gone >> digging to find out) I've never met anyone my own age who WASN'T >> assigned The Veldt at least once in their school career. > > I don't even know "The Veldt" (googles) Ah. Never finished that one. >But it was never assigned to me. What's your age cohort? I'm 53. There >wasn't a single SF-anything I can recall being assigned to me (aside >from Shakespeare's "The Tempest" or similar) in my entire school career. >At least until I took a college course ON SF. We never had anything by Bradbury. We had "What fun they had" by Asimov somewhere about Grade 6. We did The Chrysalids for Grade 10. The Grade 11 curriculum required one of four dystopias (This Perfect Day, 1984, Brave New World, and one that I forget - perhaps Make Room, Make Room?) -- we did Brave New World. We were assigned Brave New World again for college English 121. I'm 58, and was educated in small-town BC, Canada. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-16 19:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.30b43ae01f15e270989c5a@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #426761 |
In article <n2d3dq$90j$1@dont-email.me>, dakidd@sonic.net says... > > In article <n2cqsn$d2l$1@dont-email.me>, > nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) wrote: > > > James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote: > > > In article <7c9c6be2-be63-4b9c-bd1b-4beb42b349d7@googlegroups.com>, > > > artyw2@yahoo.com <artyw2@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:52:09 PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote: > > >>> On 11/10/15 1:36 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: > > >>> > In article <n1tmkn$318$1@dont-email.me>, > > >>> > A.G.McDowell <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> wrote: > > >>> >> On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > I've been in and out of this thread. > > >>> > > > >>> > Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet? "Frost & Fire" was always my > > >>> > favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous. > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> Anything from the Martian Chronicles or the Illustrated Man. > > >>> Specifically, The Veldt - 1950. > > >> > > >>"All Summer in a Day" is one that stuck with me from my youth. > > > > > > > > > Judging by the number of radio adaptations I have run into, the Veldt was > > > very very popular in the 1950s. Ditto with There Will Come SOft Rains. > > > > Still popular in some sense - both of my kids were assigned to read > > The Veldt in middle school (by different teachers) as were my wife > > and I (in different schools). This may be a cyclical/generational > > effect driven by the teachers, of course. > > > > Tony, who was also assigned There Will Come Soft Rains, but > > my wife and kids were not > > To my knowledge (and of course, subject to the "It came up in > conversation at some point" limitation - I've never actively gone > digging to find out) I've never met anyone my own age who WASN'T > assigned The Veldt at least once in their school career. > > The first such assignment for me was 6th grade english, with a reprise > in 8th grade American Lit., and again in 10th grade english, when we > went through a boxed Fantasy and Fiction unit in the second semester. > > And I when I say "boxed", I mean it quite literally - the entire unit > came as one large-ish box stenciled "Class-in-a-box - Fiction" > containing two smaller boxes - one with about 40 copies of a > not-quite-paperback, not-quite-textbook volume containing Bradbury's > "The Veldt" and McCaffrey's "Weyr Search", along with 4-5 other stories > I (mercifully, I suspect) can't remember anymore - and another filled > with stacks of pre-dittoed worksheets and multiple-guess tests for each > story, some posters, and a "canned" lesson plan/discussion guide for the > teacher) I'm 62 and we got "Stranger in a Strange Land" in high school. I also remember "Report on the Barnhouse Effect" earlier on. I have a vague recollection that there were a couple of others.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 01:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nxxrzp.K9M@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #426808 |
In article <MPG.30b43ae01f15e270989c5a@news.eternal-september.org>, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >I'm 62 and we got "Stranger in a Strange Land" in high school. I also >remember "Report on the Barnhouse Effect" earlier on. I have a vague >recollection that there were a couple of others. Good heavens. I'm eleven years older than you and _Stranger_ had not been written when I was in high school. And my (already-discussed) junior-year teacher would not have assigned it anyway. He wanted us to read Ralph Waldo Emerson and Willa Cather. But I had my revenge; see upthread. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2015-11-16 21:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jxqfmm5ywwg0$.1hx1hpv1o66j7.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #426827 |
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 01:55:01 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:nxxrzp.K9M@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > In article <MPG.30b43ae01f15e270989c5a@news.eternal-september.org>, > J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'm 62 and we got "Stranger in a Strange Land" in high >> school. I also remember "Report on the Barnhouse >> Effect" earlier on. I have a vague recollection that >> there were a couple of others. > Good heavens. I'm eleven years older than you and > _Stranger_ had not been written when I was in high > school. I was in junior high, between seventh and eighth grades, when it originally came out, but I didn’t actually come across it until my freshman year in college when the Avon paperback came out. [...] Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-16 22:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.30b46cb1aab1e993989c60@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #426827 |
In article <nxxrzp.K9M@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says... > > In article <MPG.30b43ae01f15e270989c5a@news.eternal-september.org>, > J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >I'm 62 and we got "Stranger in a Strange Land" in high school. I also > >remember "Report on the Barnhouse Effect" earlier on. I have a vague > >recollection that there were a couple of others. > > Good heavens. I'm eleven years older than you and _Stranger_ had > not been written when I was in high school. > > And my (already-discussed) junior-year teacher would not have > assigned it anyway. He wanted us to read Ralph Waldo Emerson and > Willa Cather. > > But I had my revenge; see upthread. Yeah, I saw that. The English teacher who had us read Stranger was also the one who had us memorize an exceprt from Canterbury Tales in what he believed (whether correctly or not I have no idea) was accurately spoken Middle English. He was something of a character--he walked around with a limp-wristed hand held in the air and a bit of a lisp--people who had never met his wife (tall, gorgeous, PhD) thought he was gay. He made the local news when he disarmed a drug-addled football player twice his size who had a knife--seems in a former life he had been a Marine in WWII.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 05:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nxy3A6.160q@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #426846 |
In article <MPG.30b46cb1aab1e993989c60@news.eternal-september.org>, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >In article <nxxrzp.K9M@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says... >> >> In article <MPG.30b43ae01f15e270989c5a@news.eternal-september.org>, >> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >I'm 62 and we got "Stranger in a Strange Land" in high school. I also >> >remember "Report on the Barnhouse Effect" earlier on. I have a vague >> >recollection that there were a couple of others. >> >> Good heavens. I'm eleven years older than you and _Stranger_ had >> not been written when I was in high school. >> >> And my (already-discussed) junior-year teacher would not have >> assigned it anyway. He wanted us to read Ralph Waldo Emerson and >> Willa Cather. >> >> But I had my revenge; see upthread. > >Yeah, I saw that. > >The English teacher who had us read Stranger was also the one who had us >memorize an exceprt from Canterbury Tales in what he believed (whether >correctly or not I have no idea) was accurately spoken Middle English. >He was something of a character--he walked around with a limp-wristed >hand held in the air and a bit of a lisp--people who had never met his >wife (tall, gorgeous, PhD) thought he was gay. He made the local news >when he disarmed a drug-addled football player twice his size who had a >knife--seems in a former life he had been a Marine in WWII. Book, cover, can't tell. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2015-11-16 23:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <davvflFsjdiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #426761 |
Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote: > nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) wrote: > >> James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote: >> >>On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:52:09 PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote: >> >>> On 11/10/15 1:36 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >> >>> > Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet? "Frost & Fire" was always my >> >>> > favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous. >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> Anything from the Martian Chronicles or the Illustrated Man. >> >>> Specifically, The Veldt - 1950. >> > >> > >> > Judging by the number of radio adaptations I have run into, the Veldt was >> > very very popular in the 1950s. Ditto with There Will Come SOft Rains. >> >> Still popular in some sense - both of my kids were assigned to read >> The Veldt in middle school (by different teachers) as were my wife >> and I (in different schools). This may be a cyclical/generational >> effect driven by the teachers, of course. > >To my knowledge (and of course, subject to the "It came up in >conversation at some point" limitation - I've never actively gone >digging to find out) I've never met anyone my own age who WASN'T >assigned The Veldt at least once in their school career. I'm not directly familiar with "The Veldt" -- I went through all of Bradbury during my "read everything vaguely SF" period, but it didn't stick. I was never assigned anything by Bradbury in school. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 05:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nxMz7o.14A7@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #426000 |
In article <daf6boFjvniU1@mid.individual.net>, Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >In article <n1tmkn$318$1@dont-email.me>, >A.G.McDowell <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> wrote: >>On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote: >>> Next year I will be running a humane experiment in which young volunteers >>> largely unfamiliar with classic prose SF read and review short works of >>> classic SF. I am interested in (but not bound by) suggestions. >>> >>> The parameters that come to mind are novella or shorter, and pre-1980. >>> >>> The current plan is two pre-golden age stories (which I have already picked), >>> then five stories each from the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s and the 1970s. >>> So I guess suggestions should include the year the story was first published. >>> >>> >>Here are short story collections that I enjoyed - >> >> >>James White's Hospital stories - the front matter of "Major Operation" >>credits a variety of stories c. 1970. >> >>James H. Schmitz's Telzey Amberdon stories - "The Universe Against Her" >>is (c) 1964. It's sold as a novel but looks like a fix-up to me. I would >>say that the first story ends at page 52. >> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Thousand_Light-Years_from_Home is 1973 >>- I especially like "Birth of a Salesman" and "Mamma came home" >> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer%27s_Slammers (1979) just squeezes >>under the bar >> >>It strikes me that some earlier books are almost thin enough to be >>novella's in today's money. A randomly chosen "Hooded Swan" story, by >>Stableford, is "Rhapsody in Black" - 1973, 125 pages. > >I've been in and out of this thread. > >Has anybody thrown in any Bradbury yet? "Frost & Fire" was always my >favorite, though of course "A Sound of Thunder" is the most famous. "There Will Come Soft Rains," to indicate to the new/young readers what we were all worried about in the 1950s. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-11-10 21:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n1tnqm$7vd$1@dont-email.me> |
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On 10/11/2015 02:00, James Nicoll wrote: > Next year I will be running a humane experiment in which young volunteers > largely unfamiliar with classic prose SF read and review short works of > classic SF. I am interested in (but not bound by) suggestions. > > The parameters that come to mind are novella or shorter, and pre-1980. > > The current plan is two pre-golden age stories (which I have already picked), > then five stories each from the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s and the 1970s. > So I guess suggestions should include the year the story was first published. > > If this really is going to be an experiment, can I recommend a book such as "Real World Research" by Robson? This contains useful warnings about ethical checklists and data analysis in the context of social science research. For the latter I like this quote by Fisher - "to consult the statistician after an experiment is finished is often merely to ask him to conduct a post mortem examination. He can perhaps say what the experiment died of."
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| From | Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-10 23:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20151110c@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #425912 |
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
> Next year I will be running a humane experiment in which young volunteers
> largely unfamiliar with classic prose SF read and review short works of
> classic SF. I am interested in (but not bound by) suggestions.
>
> The parameters that come to mind are novella or shorter, and pre-1980.
>
> The current plan is two pre-golden age stories (which I have already picked),
> then five stories each from the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s and the 1970s.
> So I guess suggestions should include the year the story was first published.
More of my favorites:
"The Roads Must Roll" (1940) Robert A. Heinlein
"Liar!" (1941) Isaac Asimov
"Asylum" (1942) A. E. van Vogt
"The Wedge" (1944) Isaac Asimov
"Vintage Season" (1946) Henry Kuttner and Catherine L. Moore
"Hobbyist" (1947) Erik Frank Russell
"The Veldt" (1950) Ray Bradbury
"The City" (1950) Ray Bradbury
"And the Light Is Risen" (1956) Walter M Miller
"12:01 P.M." (1973) Richard A. Lupoff
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,-. There was a young lady named Bright
\_/ Whose speed was far faster than light;
{|||)< Don Kuenz KB7RPU She set out one day
/ \ In a relative way
`-' And returned on the previous night.
What you do speaks so loud that I can not hear what you say.-JFK/Emerson
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-11-10 23:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n1uhsu$jc4$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #426012 |
In article <20151110c@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> said: > More of my favorites: > > "The Roads Must Roll" (1940) Robert A. Heinlein I have to say, I think that viewed from today -- or even ~1970, which is when I think I first read "Roads" -- the "the roads move, rather than staying still while vehicles move on them" concept is just too... dumb. I can't even see how Heinlein got away with it in pre-Interstate Highway System 1940, really. (I could live with Asimov's moving sidewalks in THE CAVES OF STEEL, because they were people-movers that operated at much lower speeds. I still didn't think them _likely_, even in a civilization that could trivially build and maintain them, but at least they weren't suspension-of-eyeroll killers.) -- wds
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 01:24 -0700 |
| Subject | Rolling Roads |
| Message-ID | <dagcbiFsgd3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #426031 |
wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote: >Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> said: >> "The Roads Must Roll" (1940) Robert A. Heinlein > >I have to say, I think that viewed from today -- or even ~1970, >which is when I think I first read "Roads" -- the "the roads move, >rather than staying still while vehicles move on them" concept is >just too... dumb. I can't even see how Heinlein got away with it in >pre-Interstate Highway System 1940, really. > >(I could live with Asimov's moving sidewalks in THE CAVES OF STEEL, >because they were people-movers that operated at much lower speeds. >I still didn't think them _likely_, even in a civilization that >could trivially build and maintain them, but at least they weren't >suspension-of-eyeroll killers.) The Asimov roads were not just "sidewalks". They, too, had high-speed lanes. Think of how big our New York is, and give it another thousand years of growth. You need more than a slidewalk to get from point to point in it. I seem to remember that the top lanes went at 60 MPH. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | David Johnston <David@block.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 01:34 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Rolling Roads |
| Message-ID | <n1uueu$mvp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #426056 |
On 11/11/2015 1:24 AM, Greg Goss wrote: > wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote: >> Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> said: > >>> "The Roads Must Roll" (1940) Robert A. Heinlein >> >> I have to say, I think that viewed from today -- or even ~1970, >> which is when I think I first read "Roads" -- the "the roads move, >> rather than staying still while vehicles move on them" concept is >> just too... dumb. I can't even see how Heinlein got away with it in >> pre-Interstate Highway System 1940, really. >> >> (I could live with Asimov's moving sidewalks in THE CAVES OF STEEL, >> because they were people-movers that operated at much lower speeds. >> I still didn't think them _likely_, even in a civilization that >> could trivially build and maintain them, but at least they weren't >> suspension-of-eyeroll killers.) > > The Asimov roads were not just "sidewalks". They, too, had high-speed > lanes. Think of how big our New York is, and give it another thousand > years of growth. You need more than a slidewalk to get from point to > point in it. I seem to remember that the top lanes went at 60 MPH. > But at least they weren't in the wild outdoors with dirt everything to get into the works. But really The Roads Must Roll as I recall is a not particularly interesting story about railroad strikes with the stakes boosted by it somehow having become the only means of intercity commerce.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 07:09 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Rolling Roads |
| Message-ID | <75787325-57b4-41ff-92c0-2082283a0061@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #426057 |
On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 1:34:49 AM UTC-7, David Johnston wrote: > But really The Roads Must Roll as I recall is a not > particularly interesting story about railroad strikes with the stakes > boosted by it somehow having become the only means of intercity commerce. Well, no; it's rather worse than that. Basically, the story was about how, under some circumstances, it would be legitimate for the United States to revert to indentured labor. The people who at one point became workers in keeping the roads rolling, when other opportunities were not available, were forbidden by law from resigning to find other, better and safer jobs, because their work was seen as so vital. And so had the story been moral, the strikers would have won; since they lost, it was profoundly immoral; it taught its readers that it was right to create and exploit an underclass, rather than paying fair market prices for any labor you want done, however essential it may be. John Savard
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 18:40 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Rolling Roads |
| Message-ID | <MPG.30ad9be3f6e1944989c41@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #426075 |
In article <75787325-57b4-41ff-92c0-2082283a0061@googlegroups.com>, jsavard@ecn.ab.ca says... > > On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 1:34:49 AM UTC-7, David Johnston wrote: > > But really The Roads Must Roll as I recall is a not > > particularly interesting story about railroad strikes with the stakes > > boosted by it somehow having become the only means of intercity commerce. > > Well, no; it's rather worse than that. > > Basically, the story was about how, under some circumstances, it would be > legitimate for the United States to revert to indentured labor. The people who > at one point became workers in keeping the roads rolling, when other > opportunities were not available, were forbidden by law from resigning to find > other, better and safer jobs, because their work was seen as so vital. > > And so had the story been moral, the strikers would have won; since they lost, > it was profoundly immoral; it taught its readers that it was right to create > and exploit an underclass, rather than paying fair market prices for any labor > you want done, however essential it may be. Just a note but there were no railroads in "The Roads Must Roll". > > John Savard
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| From | David Johnston <David@block.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 18:28 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Rolling Roads |
| Message-ID | <n20pr3$ucv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #426126 |
On 11/11/2015 4:40 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > In article <75787325-57b4-41ff-92c0-2082283a0061@googlegroups.com>, > jsavard@ecn.ab.ca says... >> >> On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 1:34:49 AM UTC-7, David Johnston wrote: >>> But really The Roads Must Roll as I recall is a not >>> particularly interesting story about railroad strikes with the stakes >>> boosted by it somehow having become the only means of intercity commerce. >> >> Well, no; it's rather worse than that. >> >> Basically, the story was about how, under some circumstances, it would be >> legitimate for the United States to revert to indentured labor. The people who >> at one point became workers in keeping the roads rolling, when other >> opportunities were not available, were forbidden by law from resigning to find >> other, better and safer jobs, because their work was seen as so vital. >> >> And so had the story been moral, the strikers would have won; since they lost, >> it was profoundly immoral; it taught its readers that it was right to create >> and exploit an underclass, rather than paying fair market prices for any labor >> you want done, however essential it may be. > > Just a note but there were no railroads in "The Roads Must Roll". Sure there were. They were just dressed up as something science fictiony.
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 03:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b16cc9d8-dc58-40c1-aada-11b2a24fff65@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #426031 |
On Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:58:09 UTC, William December Starr wrote: > In article <20151110c@crcomp.net>, > Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> said: > > > More of my favorites: > > > > "The Roads Must Roll" (1940) Robert A. Heinlein > > I have to say, I think that viewed from today -- or even ~1970, > which is when I think I first read "Roads" -- the "the roads move, > rather than staying still while vehicles move on them" concept is > just too... dumb. I can't even see how Heinlein got away with it in > pre-Interstate Highway System 1940, really. But we have highways on which vehicles... don't move, a lot of the time. Heinlein's solution was visionary. :-)
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| From | Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 14:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20151111a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #426031 |
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <20151110c@crcomp.net>,
> Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> said:
>
>> More of my favorites:
>>
>> "The Roads Must Roll" (1940) Robert A. Heinlein
>
> I have to say, I think that viewed from today -- or even ~1970,
> which is when I think I first read "Roads" -- the "the roads move,
> rather than staying still while vehicles move on them" concept is
> just too... dumb. I can't even see how Heinlein got away with it in
> pre-Interstate Highway System 1940, really.
>
> (I could live with Asimov's moving sidewalks in THE CAVES OF STEEL,
> because they were people-movers that operated at much lower speeds.
> I still didn't think them _likely_, even in a civilization that
> could trivially build and maintain them, but at least they weren't
> suspension-of-eyeroll killers.)
Dumb is hardly a distinguishing feature given how things roll. It's dumb
for thousands of cars to be stopped on an Interstate Highway in a metro
area during rush hour, or any hour, for that matter. It's dumb for
workers to commute each day from Los Angeles to the Central Valley to
reach affordable housing.
And that's just the traffic. There's more dumb out there than kittens on
a Missouri farm.
So, let's call Heinlein's rolling roads impractical. For all of the
reasons that rasf enumerates from time to time. :)
More of my favorites:
"The Tooth" (1952) G. Gordon Dewey
"Pard" (1972) F. Paul Wilson
--
,-. There was a young lady named Bright
\_/ Whose speed was far faster than light;
{|||)< Don Kuenz KB7RPU She set out one day
/ \ In a relative way
`-' And returned on the previous night.
What you do speaks so loud that I can not hear what you say.-JFK/Emerson
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 09:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n1vjg3$7nm$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #426068 |
In article <20151111a@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> said: > William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote: >> >>> "The Roads Must Roll" (1940) Robert A. Heinlein >> >> I have to say, I think that viewed from today -- or even ~1970, >> which is when I think I first read "Roads" -- the "the roads move, >> rather than staying still while vehicles move on them" concept is >> just too... dumb. I can't even see how Heinlein got away with it in >> pre-Interstate Highway System 1940, really. >> >> (I could live with Asimov's moving sidewalks in THE CAVES OF STEEL, >> because they were people-movers that operated at much lower speeds. >> I still didn't think them _likely_, even in a civilization that >> could trivially build and maintain them, but at least they weren't >> suspension-of-eyeroll killers.) > > Dumb is hardly a distinguishing feature given how things > roll. It's dumb for thousands of cars to be stopped on an > Interstate Highway in a metro area during rush hour, or any hour, > for that matter. It's dumb for workers to commute each day from > Los Angeles to the Central Valley to reach affordable housing. I think there's a distinction between a reasonable or at least neutral idea that doesn't work well -- especially when the full statement is 'doesn't work well anymore' -- and an idea that was dumb to begin with. -- wds
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