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  Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-29 16:56 +0100
    Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 16:48 +0000
    Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 19:33 -0400
      Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-09-04 00:08 +0100

#42035 — Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ?

"Dorothy J Heydt"  wrote

> Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote:

>> But the problem is finding an e-platform that will support three
>different sets of fonts (roman and italic for each).  Do you know
>of any?
>
>Well the first step is to generate a proof of concept as a RTF or DOC file
>using three fonts

>Is there one or two chapters in TIL that use three that you can call out ?

>> The best example would be right at the end of Chapter Last, where
the fonts are switching about in mid-sentence.  I can make up an
RTF file of a couple sample paragraph if you like.  What should I
do with them then?

>>This can then be converted to say ePUB and checked

> Except I haven't the foggiest how to do that.  Maybe Meg or Seanan do.

It occurs to me that using colour rather than font would be a good start 
though of course only a computer or tablet (or phone) screen would show it.

So assign each text type a different style
define three styles a different text colour black, red, green say
And assign each text type a different style

Call up
http://convertfiles.com/
and ask it to convert to ePub

There is a free Firefox add-on EPUBReader which you can then use to see 
what's what
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/user/epubreader/?src=api

If this works you could have the styles specify different fonts too and 
certainly the scan and mark up stage would be lots easier to debug if you 
had the result in colours.

>>> (Kindle is definitely out, since they allow the *reader* to
>choose different fonts, but they would all be the same font per
>reader.  I figured that out even before Graydon Saunders, whom I
>have never met but whom, based on his work, I place not far from
>the left hand of God, told me that his ancestors would all rise
>up and haunt him if he published with Kindle, or words to that effect.)

> >Even this violation of the laws of creation may be possible since Kindle 
> >now
>has a (embedded) Publisher's font option which a small pub who provides
>Kindle compatible ebooks may be able to access.

> Well, if you can find out more about this feature, do please let
me know.

This is really very much in the "ring a friendly geek" area, but this expert 
says

The fonts render as expected in major reading systems such as NOOK, iBooks, 
Adobe Digital Editions, and even Amazon’s Kindle Fire (after conversion to 
KF8 via KindleGen).[7]

He also mentions that if the fonts you choose are not embedded the ePub will 
work on a computer that has those fonts but a tablet or ereader without them 
will be forced to substitute which won't turn out well. Hence all the 
palaver.

http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing

also
http://pandoc.org/epub.html


-- -- 
Mike D 

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#42036

In article <d4e30tFtb03U1@mid.individual.net>,
Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote:
>
>"Dorothy J Heydt"  wrote
>
>> Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote:
>
>>> But the problem is finding an e-platform that will support three
>>different sets of fonts (roman and italic for each).  Do you know
>>of any?
>>
>>Well the first step is to generate a proof of concept as a RTF or DOC file
>>using three fonts
>
>>Is there one or two chapters in TIL that use three that you can call out ?
>
>>> The best example would be right at the end of Chapter Last, where
>the fonts are switching about in mid-sentence.  I can make up an
>RTF file of a couple sample paragraph if you like.  What should I
>do with them then?

I have now made a file to those specs.  I got a message when I
tried to save it in .rtf, to the effect of "some of this
formatting may not work in .rtf, are you sure you don't want to
save it in .odt?"  But I saved it in .rtf and it seems to look
all right.

My husband points out that in the end it's not a question of what
fonts I can find in OpenOffice, but of what fonts the e-platform
has.  But that's a couple problems down the road.
>
>>>This can then be converted to say ePUB and checked
>
>> Except I haven't the foggiest how to do that.  Maybe Meg or Seanan do.
>
>It occurs to me that using colour rather than font would be a good start 
>though of course only a computer or tablet (or phone) screen would show it.
>
>So assign each text type a different style
>define three styles a different text colour black, red, green say
>And assign each text type a different style

Oh, please, no.  When I was writing _TIL_ my son suggested --
tongue in cheek, I *think* -- that I format it in different
colors.  I said No in a very loud voice.  Wossname's _The
Neverending Story_ was printed in two colors in hardback and it
looked awful.  Never mind that I have NO clue how to format in
colors.
>
>Call up
>http://convertfiles.com/
>and ask it to convert to ePub
>
>There is a free Firefox add-on EPUBReader which you can then use to see 
>what's what
>https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/user/epubreader/?src=api

I'll run these past my daughter.  She uses Firefox; I don't.
>
>If this works you could have the styles specify different fonts too and 
>certainly the scan and mark up stage would be lots easier to debug if you 
>had the result in colours.
>
>>>> (Kindle is definitely out, since they allow the *reader* to
>>choose different fonts, but they would all be the same font per
>>reader.  I figured that out even before Graydon Saunders, whom I
>>have never met but whom, based on his work, I place not far from
>>the left hand of God, told me that his ancestors would all rise
>>up and haunt him if he published with Kindle, or words to that effect.)
>
>> >Even this violation of the laws of creation may be possible since Kindle 
>> >now
>>has a (embedded) Publisher's font option which a small pub who provides
>>Kindle compatible ebooks may be able to access.
>
>> Well, if you can find out more about this feature, do please let
>me know.
>
>This is really very much in the "ring a friendly geek" area, but this expert 
>says
>
>The fonts render as expected in major reading systems such as NOOK, iBooks, 
>Adobe Digital Editions, and even Amazon’s Kindle Fire (after conversion to 
>KF8 via KindleGen).[7]
>
>He also mentions that if the fonts you choose are not embedded the ePub will 
>work on a computer that has those fonts but a tablet or ereader without them 
>will be forced to substitute which won't turn out well. Hence all the 
>palaver.
>
>http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing
>
>also
>http://pandoc.org/epub.html

Thanks, Mike; I'll see if Meg can make sense of this; and if not,
maybe Seanan can.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#42052

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
> "Dorothy J Heydt"  wrote
>
>> Michael R N Dolbear <m.dolbear@physics.org> wrote:
>
>>> But the problem is finding an e-platform that will support three
>>different sets of fonts (roman and italic for each).  Do you know
>>of any?
>>
>>Well the first step is to generate a proof of concept as a RTF or DOC file
>>using three fonts
>
>>Is there one or two chapters in TIL that use three that you can call out ?
>
>>> The best example would be right at the end of Chapter Last, where
> the fonts are switching about in mid-sentence.  I can make up an
> RTF file of a couple sample paragraph if you like.  What should I
> do with them then?
>
>>>This can then be converted to say ePUB and checked
>
>> Except I haven't the foggiest how to do that.  Maybe Meg or Seanan do.
>
> It occurs to me that using colour rather than font would be a good start 
> though of course only a computer or tablet (or phone) screen would show it.
>
> So assign each text type a different style
> define three styles a different text colour black, red, green say
> And assign each text type a different style
>
> Call up
> http://convertfiles.com/
> and ask it to convert to ePub
>
> There is a free Firefox add-on EPUBReader which you can then use to see 
> what's what
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/user/epubreader/?src=api
>
> If this works you could have the styles specify different fonts too and 
> certainly the scan and mark up stage would be lots easier to debug if you had 
> the result in colours.
>
>>>> (Kindle is definitely out, since they allow the *reader* to
>>choose different fonts, but they would all be the same font per
>>reader.  I figured that out even before Graydon Saunders, whom I
>>have never met but whom, based on his work, I place not far from
>>the left hand of God, told me that his ancestors would all rise
>>up and haunt him if he published with Kindle, or words to that effect.)
>
>> >Even this violation of the laws of creation may be possible since Kindle 
>> now
>>has a (embedded) Publisher's font option which a small pub who provides
>>Kindle compatible ebooks may be able to access.
>
>> Well, if you can find out more about this feature, do please let
> me know.
>
> This is really very much in the "ring a friendly geek" area, but this expert 
> says
>
> The fonts render as expected in major reading systems such as NOOK, iBooks, 
> Adobe Digital Editions, and even Amazon’s Kindle Fire (after conversion to 
> KF8 via KindleGen).[7]
>
> He also mentions that if the fonts you choose are not embedded the ePub will 
> work on a computer that has those fonts but a tablet or ereader without them 
> will be forced to substitute which won't turn out well. Hence all the 
> palaver.
>
> http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing
>
> also
> http://pandoc.org/epub.html
>
>
I put small caps font into a MS Word doc, and then converted it to epub 
with AVS Document Converter.  The small caps came out as regular font.

Does this happen with every converter?

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#42054

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 19:33:17 -0400, William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I put small caps font into a MS Word doc, and then converted it to epub 
>with AVS Document Converter.  The small caps came out as regular font.
>
>Does this happen with every converter?

Small caps are terribly under-supported in general, you can't rely on
them appearing correctly anywhere outside of a Word doc. Very
disappointing.

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity.
                                                -- Dorothy Parker

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