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| Started by | Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> |
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| First post | 2026-06-28 21:54 -0400 |
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free buses Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2026-06-28 21:54 -0400
Re: fare checking, not free buses John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-29 01:59 +0000
Re: fare checking, not free buses hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-06-29 14:57 +0100
Re: fare checking, not free buses John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-29 16:52 +0000
Re: fare checking, not free buses hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-06-29 19:56 +0100
| From | Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> |
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| Date | 2026-06-28 21:54 -0400 |
| Subject | free buses |
| Message-ID | <111sj84$559$1@reader1.panix.com> |
Fare evasion: MTA honcho says pilot of ‘European’ enforcement model still focused on Select Bus Service Ethan Stark-Miller 4–5 minutes A top MTA official said on Wednesday that the agency has shifted in its approach to piloting a new “European model” for enforcing against bus fare evasion — now testing devices to validate electronic payments mostly on select bus service (SBS) rather than local bus routes. The official, New York City Transit President Demetrius Crichlow, made the revelation during a news conference following this month’s MTA board meeting. Crichlow’s remarks came after his April announcement that the agency’s bus fare enforcement squads, known as Evasion And Graffiti Lawlessness Eradication (EAGLE) Teams, had begun using handheld technology to check if riders paid for their trips via the OMNY tap-and-pay system on local buses. Fare enforcement agents can use the “Onboard Validation Devices,” which resemble smartphones, to scan riders’ OMNY cards, credit/debit cards, or phones to verify if they paid. They then use seperate devices to issue summonses to those found to have dodged the fare. But on Wednesday, Crichlow said the agency is now mainly testing the practice on SBS routes, which act as the city’s form of bus rapid transit, for two reasons. He said it is still being piloted on some local buses, which account for most of the system, as well. “We are transitioning or ramping up a lot of the service on the [SBS] lines,” Crichlow said. “We’ve been focusing a lot of efforts there for a couple of different reasons. One, people kind of expect to get checked on the [SBS] lines. But also, it allows us to train our folks on a new technology. And it allows us to be able to ramp things up before we go back to a more heavy presence on the local lines.” The agency had originally piloted its electronic proof of payment on SBS routes, before Crichlow announced it would expand to local lines in April. MTA and NYPD officers patrol buses to stop fare evasion. MTA and NYPD officers patrol buses to stop fare evasion.Photo by Dean Moses MTA Chair and CEO Janno Lieber, during the same press event, said the pilot currently faces a couple of limitations: the availability of the technology and whether they have enough EAGLE Team personnel. “We’re still in the pilot stage because we don’t have an unlimited number of handheld devices and people,” Lieber said. The transit boss began speaking about the enforcement model, a reference to how many cities in Europe enforce against fare evasion on buses, late last year. The MTA’s embrace of the new model to combat rampant fare evasion on its buses was made possible by its nearly complete transition from the MetroCard to OMNY. The agency ceased selling MetroCards at the end of last year, and while it still accepts them, along with coin payments on buses, it plans to completely shift to tap-and-pay soon. “The ultimate test will be when we turn off MetroCard once and for all and coin on bus, and then you can really have confidence that everybody who got on the bus ought to have been paid in a way that can be validated through the handheld device,” Lieber said. Last month, Crichlow said the MTA is also looking at testing the fare enforcement method both while buses are stopped, as EAGLE teams have traditionally operated, and while they are moving. The MTA says that fare evasion is a particularly persistent problem on its buses, as riders wishing not to pay can simply walk past the driver without tapping or boarding through the back doors while other riders are getting off. The agency lost $568 million in unpaid bus fares last year, according to a September report from the Citizens Budget Commission watchdog group. Similarly, a December MTA report on fare evasion found the agency lost $315 million in bus payments in 2022. Editor’s note: An earlier version of this story, based on Crichlow’s remarks at the MTA Board meeting on Wednesday, indicated that the enforcement effort would concentrate on express buses. However, after this story went live, the MTA informed us on Thursday that Crichlow misspoke, and meant to state that the enforcement effort would be focused on Select Bus Services. This story and the featured image have been edited to reflect the correct information that the MTA provided.
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 01:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: fare checking, not free buses |
| Message-ID | <111sjiu$2tbg$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #39469 |
According to Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov>: >Fare evasion: MTA honcho says pilot of ‘European’ enforcement model >still focused on Select Bus Service >Ethan Stark-Miller >4–5 minutes > >A top MTA official said on Wednesday that the agency has shifted in its >approach to piloting a new “European model” for enforcing against bus >fare evasion — now testing devices to validate electronic payments >mostly on select bus service (SBS) rather than local bus routes. ... This is how fares are checked on transit systems most places in the world. I've had fares checked on buses or trams in places including San Francisco, Geneva, Lisbon, and Seville. It works fine if they do it often enough, and it lets the driver stick to the job of driving. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 14:57 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: fare checking, not free buses |
| Message-ID | <111ttk2$ctod$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39470 |
On 29/06/2026 02:59, John Levine wrote: > According to Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov>: >> Fare evasion: MTA honcho says pilot of ‘European’ enforcement model >> still focused on Select Bus Service >> Ethan Stark-Miller >> 4–5 minutes >> >> A top MTA official said on Wednesday that the agency has shifted in its >> approach to piloting a new “European model” for enforcing against bus >> fare evasion — now testing devices to validate electronic payments >> mostly on select bus service (SBS) rather than local bus routes. ... > > This is how fares are checked on transit systems most places in the world. > > I've had fares checked on buses or trams in places including San Francisco, Geneva, > Lisbon, and Seville. It works fine if they do it often enough, and it lets the > driver stick to the job of driving. > POP
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 16:52 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: fare checking, not free buses |
| Message-ID | <111u7sv$218b$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #39471 |
According to hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk>: >On 29/06/2026 02:59, John Levine wrote: >> According to Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov>: >>> Fare evasion: MTA honcho says pilot of ‘European’ enforcement model >>> still focused on Select Bus Service >>> Ethan Stark-Miller >>> 4–5 minutes >>> >>> A top MTA official said on Wednesday that the agency has shifted in its >>> approach to piloting a new “European model” for enforcing against bus >>> fare evasion — now testing devices to validate electronic payments >>> mostly on select bus service (SBS) rather than local bus routes. ... >> >> This is how fares are checked on transit systems most places in the world. >> >> I've had fares checked on buses or trams in places including San Francisco, Geneva, >> Lisbon, Prague, and Seville. It works fine if they do it often enough, and it >> lets the driver stick to the job of driving. >> >POP For people not familiar with it, that's Proof Of Payment. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 19:56 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: fare checking, not free buses |
| Message-ID | <111uf5r$ifpr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39472 |
On 29/06/2026 17:52, John Levine wrote: > According to hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk>: >> On 29/06/2026 02:59, John Levine wrote: >>> According to Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov>: >>>> Fare evasion: MTA honcho says pilot of ‘European’ enforcement model >>>> still focused on Select Bus Service >>>> Ethan Stark-Miller >>>> 4–5 minutes >>>> >>>> A top MTA official said on Wednesday that the agency has shifted in its >>>> approach to piloting a new “European model” for enforcing against bus >>>> fare evasion — now testing devices to validate electronic payments >>>> mostly on select bus service (SBS) rather than local bus routes. ... >>> >>> This is how fares are checked on transit systems most places in the world. >>> >>> I've had fares checked on buses or trams in places including San Francisco, Geneva, >>> Lisbon, Prague, and Seville. It works fine if they do it often enough, and it >>> lets the driver stick to the job of driving. >>> >> POP > > For people not familiar with it, that's Proof Of Payment. That requires paying people, which some transport agencies might not like.
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