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  Re: [PATCH] Input: synaptics-rmi4 - Report slot as inactive when  contact is a palm Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 01:40 +0100
    Re: [PATCH] Input: synaptics-rmi4 - Report slot as inactive when  contact is a palm Andrew Duggan <aduggan@synaptics.com> - 2017-03-17 02:00 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] Input: synaptics-rmi4 - Report slot as inactive when  contact is a palm Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 22:10 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] Input: synaptics-rmi4 - Report slot as inactive when  contact is a palm Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@who-t.net> - 2017-03-20 06:10 +0100
    Re: [PATCH] Input: synaptics-rmi4 - Report slot as inactive when  contact is a palm Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@who-t.net> - 2017-03-17 02:10 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] Input: synaptics-rmi4 - Report slot as inactive when  contact is a palm Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 21:50 +0100

#1602942 — Re: [PATCH] Input: synaptics-rmi4 - Report slot as inactive when contact is a palm

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 04:56:31PM -0700, Andrew Duggan wrote:
> When the firmware identifies a contact as a palm the driver sets the tool
> type to MT_TOOL_PALM, but sets the slot state as active. Reporting the
> palm as active results in userspace input libraries considering the palm
> as a valid contact. Touchpads which previously were using hid-multitouch
> are now not suppressing palms when switching to the RMI4 driver. This
> change fixes palm rejection when using the RMI4 driver.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Andrew Duggan <aduggan@synaptics.com>
> Tested-by: Cameron Gutman <aicommander@gmail.com>
> ---
>  drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c | 3 ++-
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> 
> diff --git a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> index 8bb866c..8d1f295 100644
> --- a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> +++ b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> @@ -80,7 +80,8 @@ void rmi_2d_sensor_abs_report(struct rmi_2d_sensor *sensor,
>  		input_mt_slot(input, slot);
>  
>  	input_mt_report_slot_state(input, obj->mt_tool,
> -				   obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE);
> +				   (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE)
> +				   && (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_PALM));
>  
>  	if (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE) {
>  		obj->x = sensor->tracking_pos[slot].x;

If we are relying on hardware to do palm rejection, then we should not
be reporting the rest of the events for palm either (i.e. the condition
in the if statement above should also be updated).

But I do not understand why userspace doe snot do the right thing? Yes,
the slot is active, but reported contact type is MT_TOOL_PALM, so it
knows what it deals with.

Thanks.

-- 
Dmitry

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#1602960

On 03/16/2017 05:04 PM, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 04:56:31PM -0700, Andrew Duggan wrote:
>> When the firmware identifies a contact as a palm the driver sets the tool
>> type to MT_TOOL_PALM, but sets the slot state as active. Reporting the
>> palm as active results in userspace input libraries considering the palm
>> as a valid contact. Touchpads which previously were using hid-multitouch
>> are now not suppressing palms when switching to the RMI4 driver. This
>> change fixes palm rejection when using the RMI4 driver.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Andrew Duggan <aduggan@synaptics.com>
>> Tested-by: Cameron Gutman <aicommander@gmail.com>
>> ---
>>   drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c | 3 ++-
>>   1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
>> index 8bb866c..8d1f295 100644
>> --- a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
>> +++ b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
>> @@ -80,7 +80,8 @@ void rmi_2d_sensor_abs_report(struct rmi_2d_sensor *sensor,
>>   		input_mt_slot(input, slot);
>>   
>>   	input_mt_report_slot_state(input, obj->mt_tool,
>> -				   obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE);
>> +				   (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE)
>> +				   && (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_PALM));
>>   
>>   	if (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE) {
>>   		obj->x = sensor->tracking_pos[slot].x;
> If we are relying on hardware to do palm rejection, then we should not
> be reporting the rest of the events for palm either (i.e. the condition
> in the if statement above should also be updated).
>
> But I do not understand why userspace doe snot do the right thing? Yes,
> the slot is active, but reported contact type is MT_TOOL_PALM, so it
> knows what it deals with.
>
> Thanks.
>
My intent is to notify userspace that there is a palm present. But, if 
userspace does not have code which explicitly handles the MT_TOOL_PALM 
type it won't be considered a finger. I think it is only recently that 
drivers have started reporting MT_TOOL_PALM to userspace so I'm not sure 
if libraries like libinput make use of it yet.

Starting with v4.11 some touchpads will be switching from hid-multitouch 
to the RMI4 driver and reporting palms as active results in unsuppressed 
palms. I want to avoid users from upgrading and experiencing a 
degradation in usability. In which case I can update the if statement 
and resubmit. This is basically how hid-multitouch is handling it. Maybe 
in the future we can add a parameter to enable reporting palms to userspace.

Andrew

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#1603622

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 05:52:07PM -0700, Andrew Duggan wrote:
> On 03/16/2017 05:04 PM, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> >On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 04:56:31PM -0700, Andrew Duggan wrote:
> >>When the firmware identifies a contact as a palm the driver sets the tool
> >>type to MT_TOOL_PALM, but sets the slot state as active. Reporting the
> >>palm as active results in userspace input libraries considering the palm
> >>as a valid contact. Touchpads which previously were using hid-multitouch
> >>are now not suppressing palms when switching to the RMI4 driver. This
> >>change fixes palm rejection when using the RMI4 driver.
> >>
> >>Signed-off-by: Andrew Duggan <aduggan@synaptics.com>
> >>Tested-by: Cameron Gutman <aicommander@gmail.com>
> >>---
> >>  drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c | 3 ++-
> >>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >>
> >>diff --git a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> >>index 8bb866c..8d1f295 100644
> >>--- a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> >>+++ b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> >>@@ -80,7 +80,8 @@ void rmi_2d_sensor_abs_report(struct rmi_2d_sensor *sensor,
> >>  		input_mt_slot(input, slot);
> >>  	input_mt_report_slot_state(input, obj->mt_tool,
> >>-				   obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE);
> >>+				   (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE)
> >>+				   && (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_PALM));
> >>  	if (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE) {
> >>  		obj->x = sensor->tracking_pos[slot].x;
> >If we are relying on hardware to do palm rejection, then we should not
> >be reporting the rest of the events for palm either (i.e. the condition
> >in the if statement above should also be updated).
> >
> >But I do not understand why userspace doe snot do the right thing? Yes,
> >the slot is active, but reported contact type is MT_TOOL_PALM, so it
> >knows what it deals with.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> My intent is to notify userspace that there is a palm present.

It is not going to work though. Here is input_mt_report_slot_state:

void input_mt_report_slot_state(struct input_dev *dev,
				unsigned int tool_type, bool active)
{
	struct input_mt *mt = dev->mt;
	struct input_mt_slot *slot;
	int id;

	if (!mt)
		return;

	slot = &mt->slots[mt->slot];
	slot->frame = mt->frame;

	if (!active) {
		input_event(dev, EV_ABS, ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID, -1);
		return;
	}

	id = input_mt_get_value(slot, ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID);
	if (id < 0 || input_mt_get_value(slot, ABS_MT_TOOL_TYPE) != tool_type)
		id = input_mt_new_trkid(mt);

	input_event(dev, EV_ABS, ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID, id);
	input_event(dev, EV_ABS, ABS_MT_TOOL_TYPE, tool_type);
}

As you can see, if contact is inactive, then we do not send tool type to
the userspace, but simply say that the slot is no longer valid. So by
doing what your patch is doing you completely suppress the contact.


> But,
> if userspace does not have code which explicitly handles the
> MT_TOOL_PALM type it won't be considered a finger. I think it is
> only recently that drivers have started reporting MT_TOOL_PALM to
> userspace so I'm not sure if libraries like libinput make use of it
> yet.

They either will use it, or they will treat it as a [hopefully] large
finger and [hopefully] they will have some rejection for large contacts
anyway, even if they are not classified by hardware as "palm".

> 
> Starting with v4.11 some touchpads will be switching from
> hid-multitouch to the RMI4 driver and reporting palms as active
> results in unsuppressed palms. I want to avoid users from upgrading
> and experiencing a degradation in usability. In which case I can
> update the if statement and resubmit. This is basically how
> hid-multitouch is handling it. Maybe in the future we can add a
> parameter to enable reporting palms to userspace.

Ughh, parameters are something that tends to stay disabled... Too bad
that hid-rmi4 hid this data. Is it really ugly if we simply let
userspace clients catch up to the kernel?  As I mentioned in another
email, we have another driver generating MT_TOOL_PALM.

Thanks.

-- 
Dmitry

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#1604175

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 05:52:07PM -0700, Andrew Duggan wrote:
> On 03/16/2017 05:04 PM, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 04:56:31PM -0700, Andrew Duggan wrote:
> > > When the firmware identifies a contact as a palm the driver sets the tool
> > > type to MT_TOOL_PALM, but sets the slot state as active. Reporting the
> > > palm as active results in userspace input libraries considering the palm
> > > as a valid contact. Touchpads which previously were using hid-multitouch
> > > are now not suppressing palms when switching to the RMI4 driver. This
> > > change fixes palm rejection when using the RMI4 driver.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Andrew Duggan <aduggan@synaptics.com>
> > > Tested-by: Cameron Gutman <aicommander@gmail.com>
> > > ---
> > >   drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c | 3 ++-
> > >   1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> > > index 8bb866c..8d1f295 100644
> > > --- a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> > > +++ b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> > > @@ -80,7 +80,8 @@ void rmi_2d_sensor_abs_report(struct rmi_2d_sensor *sensor,
> > >   		input_mt_slot(input, slot);
> > >   	input_mt_report_slot_state(input, obj->mt_tool,
> > > -				   obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE);
> > > +				   (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE)
> > > +				   && (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_PALM));
> > >   	if (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE) {
> > >   		obj->x = sensor->tracking_pos[slot].x;
> > If we are relying on hardware to do palm rejection, then we should not
> > be reporting the rest of the events for palm either (i.e. the condition
> > in the if statement above should also be updated).
> > 
> > But I do not understand why userspace doe snot do the right thing? Yes,
> > the slot is active, but reported contact type is MT_TOOL_PALM, so it
> > knows what it deals with.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> My intent is to notify userspace that there is a palm present. But, if
> userspace does not have code which explicitly handles the MT_TOOL_PALM type
> it won't be considered a finger. I think it is only recently that drivers
> have started reporting MT_TOOL_PALM to userspace so I'm not sure if
> libraries like libinput make use of it yet.
> 
> Starting with v4.11 some touchpads will be switching from hid-multitouch to
> the RMI4 driver and reporting palms as active results in unsuppressed palms.
> I want to avoid users from upgrading and experiencing a degradation in
> usability. In which case I can update the if statement and resubmit. This is
> basically how hid-multitouch is handling it. Maybe in the future we can add
> a parameter to enable reporting palms to userspace.

Can you send me an evemu record of that happening please? I need to see the
exact instance, e.g. when it's set, what's set before, etc. Ideally just
attach to bug 100243, thanks.

Cheers,
   Peter

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#1602968

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 05:04:50PM -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 04:56:31PM -0700, Andrew Duggan wrote:
> > When the firmware identifies a contact as a palm the driver sets the tool
> > type to MT_TOOL_PALM, but sets the slot state as active. Reporting the
> > palm as active results in userspace input libraries considering the palm
> > as a valid contact. Touchpads which previously were using hid-multitouch
> > are now not suppressing palms when switching to the RMI4 driver. This
> > change fixes palm rejection when using the RMI4 driver.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Andrew Duggan <aduggan@synaptics.com>
> > Tested-by: Cameron Gutman <aicommander@gmail.com>
> > ---
> >  drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c | 3 ++-
> >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> > index 8bb866c..8d1f295 100644
> > --- a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> > +++ b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> > @@ -80,7 +80,8 @@ void rmi_2d_sensor_abs_report(struct rmi_2d_sensor *sensor,
> >  		input_mt_slot(input, slot);
> >  
> >  	input_mt_report_slot_state(input, obj->mt_tool,
> > -				   obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE);
> > +				   (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE)
> > +				   && (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_PALM));
> >  
> >  	if (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE) {
> >  		obj->x = sensor->tracking_pos[slot].x;
> 
> If we are relying on hardware to do palm rejection, then we should not
> be reporting the rest of the events for palm either (i.e. the condition
> in the if statement above should also be updated).
> 
> But I do not understand why userspace doe snot do the right thing? Yes,
> the slot is active, but reported contact type is MT_TOOL_PALM, so it
> knows what it deals with.

oops, filed: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100243
until RMI4 we had no drivers setting that tool type and we still don't have
rull RMI4 in the released kernels, so it was a simple oversight.

mind you, that only applies for libinput, not hedging my bets on the
synaptics driver here.

Cheers,
   Peter

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#1603615

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:58:05AM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 05:04:50PM -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 04:56:31PM -0700, Andrew Duggan wrote:
> > > When the firmware identifies a contact as a palm the driver sets the tool
> > > type to MT_TOOL_PALM, but sets the slot state as active. Reporting the
> > > palm as active results in userspace input libraries considering the palm
> > > as a valid contact. Touchpads which previously were using hid-multitouch
> > > are now not suppressing palms when switching to the RMI4 driver. This
> > > change fixes palm rejection when using the RMI4 driver.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Andrew Duggan <aduggan@synaptics.com>
> > > Tested-by: Cameron Gutman <aicommander@gmail.com>
> > > ---
> > >  drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c | 3 ++-
> > >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> > > index 8bb866c..8d1f295 100644
> > > --- a/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> > > +++ b/drivers/input/rmi4/rmi_2d_sensor.c
> > > @@ -80,7 +80,8 @@ void rmi_2d_sensor_abs_report(struct rmi_2d_sensor *sensor,
> > >  		input_mt_slot(input, slot);
> > >  
> > >  	input_mt_report_slot_state(input, obj->mt_tool,
> > > -				   obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE);
> > > +				   (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE)
> > > +				   && (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_PALM));
> > >  
> > >  	if (obj->type != RMI_2D_OBJECT_NONE) {
> > >  		obj->x = sensor->tracking_pos[slot].x;
> > 
> > If we are relying on hardware to do palm rejection, then we should not
> > be reporting the rest of the events for palm either (i.e. the condition
> > in the if statement above should also be updated).
> > 
> > But I do not understand why userspace doe snot do the right thing? Yes,
> > the slot is active, but reported contact type is MT_TOOL_PALM, so it
> > knows what it deals with.
> 
> oops, filed: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100243
> until RMI4 we had no drivers setting that tool type and we still don't have
> rull RMI4 in the released kernels, so it was a simple oversight.

Actually drivers/hid/hid-asus.c is using MT_TOOL_PALM since 4.10-rc1.

Thanks.

-- 
Dmitry

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