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Re: [RFC 0/8] Provide the EL1 physical timer to the VM

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  Re: [RFC 0/8] Provide the EL1 physical timer to the VM Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com> - 2017-01-17 18:10 +0100
    Re: [RFC 0/8] Provide the EL1 physical timer to the VM Jintack Lim <jintack@cs.columbia.edu> - 2017-01-17 18:50 +0100

#1560823 — Re: [RFC 0/8] Provide the EL1 physical timer to the VM

On 26/12/16 17:11, Jintack Lim wrote:
> The ARM architecture defines the EL1 physical timer and the virtual
> timer, and it is reasonable for an OS to expect to be able to access
> both.  However, the current KVM implementation does not provide the EL1
> physical timer to VMs but terminates VMs on access to the timer.
> 
> On VHE systems, this would be as simple as allowing full access to the
> EL1 physical timer to VMs because the KVM host does not use the EL1
> physical timer.  However, on non-VHE systems, the KVM host already uses
> the EL1 physical timer which prevents us from granting full access of
> the EL1 physical timer to VMs.
> 
> This patchset enables VMs to use the EL1 physical timer through
> trap-and-emulate.  The KVM host emulates each EL1 physical timer
> register access and sets up the background timer accordingly.  When the
> background timer expires, the KVM host injects EL1 physical timer
> interrupts to the VM.  Alternatively, it's also possible to allow VMs to
> access the EL1 physical timer without trapping.  However, this requires
> somehow using the EL2 physical timer for the Linux host while running
> the VM instead of the EL1 physical timer.  Right now I just implemented
> trap-and-emulate because this was straightforward to do, and I leave it
> to future work to determine if transferring the EL1 physical timer state
> to the EL2 timer provides any performance benefit.
> 
> This feature will be useful for any OS that wishes to access the EL1
> physical timer. Nested virtualization is one of those use cases. A
> nested hypervisor running inside a VM would think it has full access to
> the hardware and naturally tries to use the EL1 physical timer as Linux
> would do. Other nested hypervisors may try to use the EL2 physical timer
> as Xen would do, but supporting the EL2 physical timer to the VM is out
> of scope of this patchset. This patchset will make it easy to add the
> EL2 timer support in the future, though.
> 
> Note, Linux VMs booting in EL1 will be unaffected by this patch set and
> will continue to use only the virtual timer and this patch set will
> therefore not introduce any performance degredation as a result of
> trap-and-emulate.

Hi Jintack,

Any chance you could address Christoffer's comments and respin this
series? This looks like a good enhancement to our emulation, and
definitely a requirement for the nested work, so I'm obviously keen on it.

Thanks,

	M.
-- 
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...

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#1560869

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com> wrote:
> On 26/12/16 17:11, Jintack Lim wrote:
>> The ARM architecture defines the EL1 physical timer and the virtual
>> timer, and it is reasonable for an OS to expect to be able to access
>> both.  However, the current KVM implementation does not provide the EL1
>> physical timer to VMs but terminates VMs on access to the timer.
>>
>> On VHE systems, this would be as simple as allowing full access to the
>> EL1 physical timer to VMs because the KVM host does not use the EL1
>> physical timer.  However, on non-VHE systems, the KVM host already uses
>> the EL1 physical timer which prevents us from granting full access of
>> the EL1 physical timer to VMs.
>>
>> This patchset enables VMs to use the EL1 physical timer through
>> trap-and-emulate.  The KVM host emulates each EL1 physical timer
>> register access and sets up the background timer accordingly.  When the
>> background timer expires, the KVM host injects EL1 physical timer
>> interrupts to the VM.  Alternatively, it's also possible to allow VMs to
>> access the EL1 physical timer without trapping.  However, this requires
>> somehow using the EL2 physical timer for the Linux host while running
>> the VM instead of the EL1 physical timer.  Right now I just implemented
>> trap-and-emulate because this was straightforward to do, and I leave it
>> to future work to determine if transferring the EL1 physical timer state
>> to the EL2 timer provides any performance benefit.
>>
>> This feature will be useful for any OS that wishes to access the EL1
>> physical timer. Nested virtualization is one of those use cases. A
>> nested hypervisor running inside a VM would think it has full access to
>> the hardware and naturally tries to use the EL1 physical timer as Linux
>> would do. Other nested hypervisors may try to use the EL2 physical timer
>> as Xen would do, but supporting the EL2 physical timer to the VM is out
>> of scope of this patchset. This patchset will make it easy to add the
>> EL2 timer support in the future, though.
>>
>> Note, Linux VMs booting in EL1 will be unaffected by this patch set and
>> will continue to use only the virtual timer and this patch set will
>> therefore not introduce any performance degredation as a result of
>> trap-and-emulate.
>
> Hi Jintack,
>
> Any chance you could address Christoffer's comments and respin this
> series? This looks like a good enhancement to our emulation, and
> definitely a requirement for the nested work, so I'm obviously keen on it.

Hi Marc,

Yes, I plan to respin this patch series this week.

Thanks,
Jintack

>
> Thanks,
>
>         M.
> --
> Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...
>

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