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| Started by | "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> |
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| First post | 2016-11-14 17:50 +0100 |
| Last post | 2016-11-14 19:40 +0100 |
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[PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/2] Documenmtation update for 4.10 "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-11-14 17:50 +0100
[PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/2] documentation: Present updated RCU guarantee "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-11-14 17:50 +0100
Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/2] documentation: Present updated RCU guarantee Pranith Kumar <bobby.prani@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 18:00 +0100
Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/2] documentation: Present updated RCU guarantee "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-11-14 19:40 +0100
| From | "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-14 17:50 +0100 |
| Subject | [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/2] Documenmtation update for 4.10 |
| Message-ID | <sDsCd-12v-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
Hello! This series provides a couple of documentation updates: 1. Provide an updated description of RCU's grace-period guarantee based on recent memory-model work. This does not change the way that RCU behaves, but rather presents a more accurate view of how it works. The difference is subtle, so most people won't need to care. 2. Fix a "deference" -> "dereference" typo, courtesy of Pranith Kumar. Thanx, Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Design/Requirements/Requirements.html | 25 ++++++++++++++++++++++++- whatisRCU.txt | 2 +- 2 files changed, 25 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
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| From | "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-11-14 17:50 +0100 |
| Subject | [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/2] documentation: Present updated RCU guarantee |
| Message-ID | <sDsCe-12v-45@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #1521845 |
Recent memory-model work deduces the relationships of RCU read-side critical sections and grace periods based on the relationships of accesses within a critical section and accesses preceding and following the grace period. This commit therefore adds this viewpoint. Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> --- .../RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html | 25 +++++++++++++++++++++- 1 file changed, 24 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html b/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html index a4d3838130e4..81b40cb83435 100644 --- a/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html +++ b/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html @@ -547,7 +547,7 @@ The <tt>rcu_access_pointer()</tt> on line 6 is similar to It could reuse a value formerly fetched from this same pointer. It could also fetch the pointer from <tt>gp</tt> in a byte-at-a-time manner, resulting in <i>load tearing</i>, in turn resulting a bytewise - mash-up of two distince pointer values. + mash-up of two distinct pointer values. It might even use value-speculation optimizations, where it makes a wrong guess, but by the time it gets around to checking the value, an update has changed the pointer to match the wrong guess. @@ -659,6 +659,29 @@ systems with more than one CPU: In other words, a given instance of <tt>synchronize_rcu()</tt> can avoid waiting on a given RCU read-side critical section only if it can prove that <tt>synchronize_rcu()</tt> started first. + + <p> + A related question is “When <tt>rcu_read_lock()</tt> + doesn't generate any code, why does it matter how it relates + to a grace period?” + The answer if that it is not the relationship of + <tt>rcu_read_lock()</tt> itself that is important, but rather + the relationship of the code within the enclosed RCU read-side + critical section to the code preceding and following the + grace period. + If we take this viewpoint, then a given RCU read-side critical + section begins before a given grace period when some access + preceding the grace period observes the effect of some access + within the critical section, in which case none of the accesses + within the critical section may observe the effects of any + access following the grace period. + + <p> + As of late 2016, mathematical models of RCU take this + viewpoint, for example, see slides 62 and 63 + of the + <a href="http://www2.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/scalability/paper/LinuxMM.2016.10.04c.LCE.pdf">2016 LinuxCon EU</a> + presentation. </font></td></tr> <tr><td> </td></tr> </table> -- 2.5.2
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| From | Pranith Kumar <bobby.prani@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-14 18:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/2] documentation: Present updated RCU guarantee |
| Message-ID | <sDsLV-16h-45@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #1521849 |
Hi Paul, On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote: > Recent memory-model work deduces the relationships of RCU read-side > critical sections and grace periods based on the relationships of > accesses within a critical section and accesses preceding and following > the grace period. This commit therefore adds this viewpoint. > > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> > --- > .../RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html | 25 +++++++++++++++++++++- > 1 file changed, 24 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) > > diff --git a/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html b/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html > index a4d3838130e4..81b40cb83435 100644 > --- a/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html > +++ b/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html > @@ -547,7 +547,7 @@ The <tt>rcu_access_pointer()</tt> on line 6 is similar to > It could reuse a value formerly fetched from this same pointer. > It could also fetch the pointer from <tt>gp</tt> in a byte-at-a-time > manner, resulting in <i>load tearing</i>, in turn resulting a bytewise > - mash-up of two distince pointer values. > + mash-up of two distinct pointer values. > It might even use value-speculation optimizations, where it makes > a wrong guess, but by the time it gets around to checking the > value, an update has changed the pointer to match the wrong guess. > @@ -659,6 +659,29 @@ systems with more than one CPU: > In other words, a given instance of <tt>synchronize_rcu()</tt> > can avoid waiting on a given RCU read-side critical section only > if it can prove that <tt>synchronize_rcu()</tt> started first. > + > + <p> > + A related question is “When <tt>rcu_read_lock()</tt> > + doesn't generate any code, why does it matter how it relates > + to a grace period?” > + The answer if that it is not the relationship of s/if/is? > + <tt>rcu_read_lock()</tt> itself that is important, but rather > + the relationship of the code within the enclosed RCU read-side > + critical section to the code preceding and following the > + grace period. > + If we take this viewpoint, then a given RCU read-side critical > + section begins before a given grace period when some access > + preceding the grace period observes the effect of some access > + within the critical section, in which case none of the accesses > + within the critical section may observe the effects of any > + access following the grace period. > + > + <p> > + As of late 2016, mathematical models of RCU take this > + viewpoint, for example, see slides 62 and 63 > + of the > + <a href="http://www2.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/scalability/paper/LinuxMM.2016.10.04c.LCE.pdf">2016 LinuxCon EU</a> > + presentation. > </font></td></tr> > <tr><td> </td></tr> > </table> > -- > 2.5.2 > -- Pranith
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| From | "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-14 19:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/2] documentation: Present updated RCU guarantee |
| Message-ID | <sDukH-2cH-67@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #1521868 |
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:57:46AM -0500, Pranith Kumar wrote: > Hi Paul, > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Paul E. McKenney > <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote: > > Recent memory-model work deduces the relationships of RCU read-side > > critical sections and grace periods based on the relationships of > > accesses within a critical section and accesses preceding and following > > the grace period. This commit therefore adds this viewpoint. > > > > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> > > --- > > .../RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html | 25 +++++++++++++++++++++- > > 1 file changed, 24 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html b/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html > > index a4d3838130e4..81b40cb83435 100644 > > --- a/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html > > +++ b/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html > > @@ -547,7 +547,7 @@ The <tt>rcu_access_pointer()</tt> on line 6 is similar to > > It could reuse a value formerly fetched from this same pointer. > > It could also fetch the pointer from <tt>gp</tt> in a byte-at-a-time > > manner, resulting in <i>load tearing</i>, in turn resulting a bytewise > > - mash-up of two distince pointer values. > > + mash-up of two distinct pointer values. > > It might even use value-speculation optimizations, where it makes > > a wrong guess, but by the time it gets around to checking the > > value, an update has changed the pointer to match the wrong guess. > > @@ -659,6 +659,29 @@ systems with more than one CPU: > > In other words, a given instance of <tt>synchronize_rcu()</tt> > > can avoid waiting on a given RCU read-side critical section only > > if it can prove that <tt>synchronize_rcu()</tt> started first. > > + > > + <p> > > + A related question is “When <tt>rcu_read_lock()</tt> > > + doesn't generate any code, why does it matter how it relates > > + to a grace period?” > > + The answer if that it is not the relationship of > > s/if/is? Good catch, fixed! Thanx, Paul > > + <tt>rcu_read_lock()</tt> itself that is important, but rather > > + the relationship of the code within the enclosed RCU read-side > > + critical section to the code preceding and following the > > + grace period. > > + If we take this viewpoint, then a given RCU read-side critical > > + section begins before a given grace period when some access > > + preceding the grace period observes the effect of some access > > + within the critical section, in which case none of the accesses > > + within the critical section may observe the effects of any > > + access following the grace period. > > + > > + <p> > > + As of late 2016, mathematical models of RCU take this > > + viewpoint, for example, see slides 62 and 63 > > + of the > > + <a href="http://www2.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/scalability/paper/LinuxMM.2016.10.04c.LCE.pdf">2016 LinuxCon EU</a> > > + presentation. > > </font></td></tr> > > <tr><td> </td></tr> > > </table> > > -- > > 2.5.2 > > > > > > -- > Pranith >
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