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| Started by | Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> |
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| First post | 2016-06-26 20:50 +0200 |
| Last post | 2016-06-27 01:10 +0200 |
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Re: [PATCH 7/7] random: add backtracking protection to the CRNG Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-06-26 20:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 7/7] random: add backtracking protection to the CRNG Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2016-06-27 01:10 +0200
| From | Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-26 20:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [PATCH 7/7] random: add backtracking protection to the CRNG |
| Message-ID | <rOni1-6sk-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
On Mon 2016-06-13 11:48:39, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> Signed-off-by: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
> ---
> drivers/char/random.c | 54 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----
> 1 file changed, 49 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/drivers/char/random.c b/drivers/char/random.c
> index d640865..963a6a9 100644
> --- a/drivers/char/random.c
> +++ b/drivers/char/random.c
> @@ -436,7 +436,8 @@ static int crng_init = 0;
> #define crng_ready() (likely(crng_init > 0))
> static void _extract_crng(struct crng_state *crng,
> __u8 out[CHACHA20_BLOCK_SIZE]);
> -static void extract_crng(__u8 out[CHACHA20_BLOCK_SIZE]);
> +static void _crng_backtrack_protect(struct crng_state *crng,
> + __u8 tmp[CHACHA20_BLOCK_SIZE], int used);
> static void process_random_ready_list(void);
You can do u8 and u32 in the code, we know we are in kernel.
> +/*
> + * Use the leftover bytes from the CRNG block output (if there is
> + * enough) to mutate the CRNG key to provide backtracking protection.
> + */
> +static void _crng_backtrack_protect(struct crng_state *crng,
> + __u8 tmp[CHACHA20_BLOCK_SIZE], int used)
> +{
> + unsigned long flags;
> + __u32 *s, *d;
> + int i;
> +
> + used = round_up(used, sizeof(__u32));
> + if (used + CHACHA20_KEY_SIZE > CHACHA20_BLOCK_SIZE) {
> + extract_crng(tmp);
> + used = 0;
> + }
> + spin_lock_irqsave(&crng->lock, flags);
> + s = (__u32 *) &tmp[used];
> + d = &crng->state[4];
> + for (i=0; i < 8; i++)
> + *d++ ^= *s++;
> + spin_unlock_irqrestore(&crng->lock, flags);
> +}
You are basically trying to turn CRNG into one way hash function here,
right? Do you have any explanation that it has the required
properties?
Thanks,
Pavel
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| From | Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-06-27 01:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rOrlD-Ek-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #1431553 |
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 08:47:53PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: > > You are basically trying to turn CRNG into one way hash function here, > right? Do you have any explanation that it has the required > properties? Well, not really. A CRNG has the property that if you generate a series of outputs: O_N-1, O_N, O_N+1, etc., knowledge of O_N does not give you any special knowledge with respect to O_N+1 or O_N-1. The anti-backtracking protection means that when we generate O_N, we use O_N+1 to mutate the state used for the CRNG; specifically, we are XOR'ing O_N+1 into the state. Now let's suppose that state gets exposed. Even if you know O_N, that's not going to let you know O_N+1, so knowledge of the exposed state post XOR with O_N+1 isn't going to help you get back the original state. More generally, if we assume ChaCha20 is secure, that means that you can't derive the key even if you have known plaintext. The output of the CRNG is basically the keystream --- what you have after you XOR the ciphertext with the plaintext. If ChaCha20 is secure, knowledge of large portions of the keystream should not help you determine the key, which means is why knowledge of O_N-1, O_N, won't help you derive either (a) the state of CRNG, aka the ChaCha20 key, or (b) O_N+1. Cheers, - Ted
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