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  Playing with virtually mapped stacks (with guard pages!) Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-06-15 08:10 +0200
    Re: Playing with virtually mapped stacks (with guard pages!) Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2016-06-15 19:10 +0200
      Re: Playing with virtually mapped stacks (with guard pages!) Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-06-15 19:30 +0200
        Re: Playing with virtually mapped stacks (with guard pages!) Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2016-06-15 19:50 +0200

#1422619 — Playing with virtually mapped stacks (with guard pages!)

Hi all-

If you want to play with virtually mapped stacks, I have it more or
less working on x86 in a branch here:

https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/luto/linux.git/log/?h=x86/vmap_stack

The core bit (virtually map the stack and fix the accounting) is just
a config option, but it needs the arch to opt-in.  I suspect that
every arch will have its own set of silly issues to address to make it
work well.  For x86, the silly issues are getting the OOPS to work
right and handling some vmalloc_fault oddities to avoid panicing at
random.

--Andy

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#1423242

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> If you want to play with virtually mapped stacks, I have it more or
> less working on x86 in a branch here:
>
> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/luto/linux.git/log/?h=x86/vmap_stack
>
> The core bit (virtually map the stack and fix the accounting) is just
> a config option, but it needs the arch to opt-in.  I suspect that
> every arch will have its own set of silly issues to address to make it
> work well.  For x86, the silly issues are getting the OOPS to work
> right and handling some vmalloc_fault oddities to avoid panicing at
> random.

Awesome! Some notes/questions:

- there are a number of typos in commit messages and comments, just FYI

- where is the guard page added? I don't see anything leaving a hole at the end?

- where is thread_info? I understand there to be two benefits from
vmalloc stack: 1) thread_info can live elsewhere, 2) guard page can
exist easily

- this seems like it should Oops not warn:
WARN_ON_ONCE(vm->nr_pages != THREAD_SIZE / PAGE_SIZE);
that being wrong seems like a very bad state to continue from

- bikeshed: I think the CONFIG should live in arch/Kconfig (with a
description of what an arch needs to support for it) and be called
HAVE_ARCH_VMAP_STACK so that archs can select it instead of having
multiple definitions of CONFIG_VMAP_STACK in each arch.

Thanks for digging into this!

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Chrome OS & Brillo Security

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#1423253

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>> Hi all-
>>
>> If you want to play with virtually mapped stacks, I have it more or
>> less working on x86 in a branch here:
>>
>> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/luto/linux.git/log/?h=x86/vmap_stack
>>
>> The core bit (virtually map the stack and fix the accounting) is just
>> a config option, but it needs the arch to opt-in.  I suspect that
>> every arch will have its own set of silly issues to address to make it
>> work well.  For x86, the silly issues are getting the OOPS to work
>> right and handling some vmalloc_fault oddities to avoid panicing at
>> random.
>
> Awesome! Some notes/questions:
>
> - there are a number of typos in commit messages and comments, just FYI

Not surprising.  I'll try to find and fix them.

>
> - where is the guard page added? I don't see anything leaving a hole at the end?

Magic!  The vmap code does this for us.

>
> - where is thread_info? I understand there to be two benefits from
> vmalloc stack: 1) thread_info can live elsewhere, 2) guard page can
> exist easily

I think that thread_info is a separate issue except insofar as it's
needed for full exploit protection.  Moving / eliminating it has
nothing to do with where the stack lives AFAIK.  I'll get to it.

I suspect that the hardest part will be eliminating the (mostly
pointless) thread_info::task field.

>
> - this seems like it should Oops not warn:
> WARN_ON_ONCE(vm->nr_pages != THREAD_SIZE / PAGE_SIZE);
> that being wrong seems like a very bad state to continue from

I'll change that.

>
> - bikeshed: I think the CONFIG should live in arch/Kconfig (with a
> description of what an arch needs to support for it) and be called
> HAVE_ARCH_VMAP_STACK so that archs can select it instead of having
> multiple definitions of CONFIG_VMAP_STACK in each arch.

I'll change that, too.

>
> Thanks for digging into this!
>
> -Kees
>
> --
> Kees Cook
> Chrome OS & Brillo Security



-- 
Andy Lutomirski
AMA Capital Management, LLC

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#1423266

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all-
>>>
>>> If you want to play with virtually mapped stacks, I have it more or
>>> less working on x86 in a branch here:
>>>
>>> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/luto/linux.git/log/?h=x86/vmap_stack
>>>
>>> The core bit (virtually map the stack and fix the accounting) is just
>>> a config option, but it needs the arch to opt-in.  I suspect that
>>> every arch will have its own set of silly issues to address to make it
>>> work well.  For x86, the silly issues are getting the OOPS to work
>>> right and handling some vmalloc_fault oddities to avoid panicing at
>>> random.
>>
>> Awesome! Some notes/questions:
>>
>> - there are a number of typos in commit messages and comments, just FYI
>
> Not surprising.  I'll try to find and fix them.

x86/cpa: In populate_pgd, don't set the pgd entry until it's
populated: "anyther CPU propages"

x86/cpa: Warn if kernel_unmap_pages_in_pgd is used inappropriately:
"kenrnel entries"

There was another repeated word, but I can't find it now. :P

>>
>> - where is the guard page added? I don't see anything leaving a hole at the end?
>
> Magic!  The vmap code does this for us.

Heh, can you point me to where? Does it have guards at both ends?

>> - where is thread_info? I understand there to be two benefits from
>> vmalloc stack: 1) thread_info can live elsewhere, 2) guard page can
>> exist easily
>
> I think that thread_info is a separate issue except insofar as it's
> needed for full exploit protection.  Moving / eliminating it has
> nothing to do with where the stack lives AFAIK.  I'll get to it.

Okay, cool.

> I suspect that the hardest part will be eliminating the (mostly
> pointless) thread_info::task field.

IIUC, grsecurity puts a thread_info pointer in the percpu area, if
that's any help.

>> - this seems like it should Oops not warn:
>> WARN_ON_ONCE(vm->nr_pages != THREAD_SIZE / PAGE_SIZE);
>> that being wrong seems like a very bad state to continue from
>
> I'll change that.
>
>>
>> - bikeshed: I think the CONFIG should live in arch/Kconfig (with a
>> description of what an arch needs to support for it) and be called
>> HAVE_ARCH_VMAP_STACK so that archs can select it instead of having
>> multiple definitions of CONFIG_VMAP_STACK in each arch.
>
> I'll change that, too.

Awesome! :)

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Chrome OS & Brillo Security

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