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  Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board  Elections and Nomination process Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2015-10-22 23:10 +0200
    Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process Neil Brown <nfbrown@novell.com> - 2015-10-23 03:20 +0200
    Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process Neil Brown <neilb@suse.com> - 2015-10-23 04:10 +0200
      Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation  Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> - 2015-10-23 07:00 +0200
      Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process Neil Brown <neilb@suse.com> - 2015-10-23 08:00 +0200
    Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board  Elections and Nomination process Grant Likely <glikely@secretlab.ca> - 2015-10-24 12:30 +0200
      Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-10-24 17:20 +0200
      Re: [Tech-board] [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical  Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com> - 2015-10-24 18:10 +0200
      Re: [Tech-board] [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical  Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net> - 2015-10-25 04:50 +0100
        Re: [Tech-board] [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical  Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process Grant Likely <glikely@secretlab.ca> - 2015-10-25 08:40 +0100

#1254175 — Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process

On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 11:06:47AM +0100, Grant Likely wrote:
> [Resending because I messed up the first one]
> 
> The elections for five of the ten members of the Linux Foundation
> Technical Advisory Board (TAB) are held every year[1]. This year the
> election will be at the 2015 Kernel Summit in Seoul, South Korea
> (probably on the Monday, 26 October) and will be open to all attendees
> of both Kernel Summit and Korea Linux Forum.
> 
> Anyone is eligible to stand for election, simply send your nomination to:
> 
> Tech-board-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
> 
> We currently have 3 nominees for five places:
> Thomas Gleixner
> Greg Kroah-Hartman
> Stephen Hemminger
> 
> The deadline for receiving nominations is up until the beginning of
> the event where the election is held. Although, please remember if
> you're not going to be present that things go wrong with both networks
> and mailing lists, so get your nomination in early).
> 
> Grant Likely, TAB Chair
> 
> [1] TAB members sit for a term of 2 years, and half of the board is up
> for election every year. Five of the seats are up for election now.
> The other five are half way through their term and will be up for
> election next year. The history of the TAB elections can be found
> here:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jGLQtul0taSRq_opYzJFALI7_34cS4RMS1_YQoTNCKA/edit#gid=0

Is there a good description of what is expected of a TAB member? How much time
is involved? What makes a great TAB member?

I've found: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/advisory-councils/tab

I've read the charter and scanned some of the minutes, but I'd still like to
hear from some of the "incumbants". Specifically, what makes you successful as a
member of the TAB?

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#1254270 — Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process

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Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> writes:

>
> Is there a good description of what is expected of a TAB member? How much time
> is involved? What makes a great TAB member?
>
> I've found: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/advisory-councils/tab
>
> I've read the charter and scanned some of the minutes, but I'd still like to
> hear from some of the "incumbants". Specifically, what makes you successful as a
> member of the TAB?

Also on the topic of the TAB and elections, I cannot figure out what:

  "Only one vote per candidate will be counted."

means in:

Voting:
-------
Each person present at the time of the election shall be handed a printed
ballot.  Voters may vote for as many candidates as they wish. Only one
vote per candidate will be counted. A space will be provided where
they can fill out the ballot in private and place it into a box to be
counted in private.


in
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/technical-advisory-board-tab/minutes-july-2015-tab-meeting

Is it "Only one vote per candidate per voter will be counted"?

NeilBrown

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#1254293 — Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process

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Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> writes:

>
> Is there a good description of what is expected of a TAB member? How much time
> is involved? What makes a great TAB member?
>
> I've found: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/advisory-councils/tab
>
> I've read the charter and scanned some of the minutes, but I'd still like to
> hear from some of the "incumbants". Specifically, what makes you successful as a
> member of the TAB?

Also on the topic of the TAB and elections, I cannot figure out what:

  "Only one vote per candidate will be counted."

means in:

Voting:
-------
Each person present at the time of the election shall be handed a printed
ballot.  Voters may vote for as many candidates as they wish. Only one
vote per candidate will be counted. A space will be provided where
they can fill out the ballot in private and place it into a box to be
counted in private.


in
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/technical-advisory-board-tab/minutes-july-2015-tab-meeting

Is it "Only one vote per candidate per voter will be counted"?

NeilBrown

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#1254331 — Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 08:00:20PM -0700, Kristen Accardi wrote:
> On Oct 22, 2015 7:04 PM, "Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.com> wrote:
> >
> > Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> writes:
> >
> > >
> > > Is there a good description of what is expected of a TAB member? How
> much time
> > > is involved? What makes a great TAB member?
> > >
> > > I've found:
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/advisory-councils/tab
> > >
> > > I've read the charter and scanned some of the minutes, but I'd still
> like to
> > > hear from some of the "incumbants". Specifically, what makes you
> successful as a
> > > member of the TAB?
> >
> > Also on the topic of the TAB and elections, I cannot figure out what:
> >
> >   "Only one vote per candidate will be counted."
> >
> > means in:
> >
> > Voting:
> > -------
> > Each person present at the time of the election shall be handed a printed
> > ballot.  Voters may vote for as many candidates as they wish. Only one
> > vote per candidate will be counted. A space will be provided where
> > they can fill out the ballot in private and place it into a box to be
> > counted in private.
> >
> >
> > in
> >
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/technical-advisory-board-tab/minutes-july-2015-tab-meeting
> >
> > Is it "Only one vote per candidate per voter will be counted"?
> 
> Sorry this was a bit confusing.  Basically, it means you can vote for as
> many candidates as you like, but if you can't vote multiple times for the
> same candidate on your ballot.

So, in other words, "this is approval voting, not range voting"?
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#1254352 — Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process

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Kristen Accardi <kaccardi@gmail.com> writes:

> On Oct 22, 2015 7:04 PM, "Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.com> wrote:
>>
>> Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> writes:
>>
>> >
>> > Is there a good description of what is expected of a TAB member? How
> much time
>> > is involved? What makes a great TAB member?
>> >
>> > I've found:
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/advisory-councils/tab
>> >
>> > I've read the charter and scanned some of the minutes, but I'd still
> like to
>> > hear from some of the "incumbants". Specifically, what makes you
> successful as a
>> > member of the TAB?
>>
>> Also on the topic of the TAB and elections, I cannot figure out what:
>>
>>   "Only one vote per candidate will be counted."
>>
>> means in:
>>
>> Voting:
>> -------
>> Each person present at the time of the election shall be handed a printed
>> ballot.  Voters may vote for as many candidates as they wish. Only one
>> vote per candidate will be counted. A space will be provided where
>> they can fill out the ballot in private and place it into a box to be
>> counted in private.
>>
>>
>> in
>>
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/technical-advisory-board-tab/minutes-july-2015-tab-meeting
>>
>> Is it "Only one vote per candidate per voter will be counted"?
>
> Sorry this was a bit confusing.  Basically, it means you can vote for as
> many candidates as you like, but if you can't vote multiple times for the
> same candidate on your ballot.

Thanks.  That was the only explanation I could come up with that made
any sense, but it definitely isn't obvious (to me) that that is the
meaning of the words.

Thanks,
NeilBrown

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#1255156

[Including Rafael who also asked about what being a TAB member means]

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 11:06:47AM +0100, Grant Likely wrote:
> Is there a good description of what is expected of a TAB member? How much time
> is involved? What makes a great TAB member?
>
> I've found: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/advisory-councils/tab
>
> I've read the charter and scanned some of the minutes, but I'd still like to
> hear from some of the "incumbants". Specifically, what makes you successful as a
> member of the TAB?

I've been asked several versions of the same question, and also the
annual "what does the TAB actually do?" question, so I'm going to try
and answer them all in one email:

As the name implies, the primary job of the TAB is to advise the Linux
Foundation board of directors on technical, social and political
issues regarding Linux and Open Source. Our job is to represent the
views of Linux developers and to foster constructive communication
between the Linux Foundation leadership and our community.

A natural by-product of this is that the TAB also acts in the
background to identify and resolve issues for the Linux community
before they become a problem. The TAB tends to be composed of well
respected individuals with good connections throughout our community,
and so we're in a good place to recognize who to talk to when an issue
is raised.

Finally, there are a few projects that the TAB is directly responsible
for. We make sure there is a planning committee for the Linux Plumbers
conference every year. We run a 'buddy' program to help new Linux
Foundation member companies learn how to be fine upstanding Linux
citizens. We are the response team for any issues of harassment or
abuse within the kernel community. In past years we coordinated the
response to UEFI Secure Boot to ensure that Linux would not be locked
out of the consumer PC market, and been active in helping member
companies understand and be comfortable with the licencing obligations
associated with Linux.

A good TAB member is well respected by the community, is a ready
listener, is comfortable discussing both technical and social issues,
and has a good understanding of how the Linux community works. Since
the TAB deals with a wide range of issues, the ideal TAB candidate
should be prepared to consider issues outside of their own area of
expertise. Sometime the most important characteristic of a TAB member
is recognizing when an issue is beyond their depth and go looking for
the right person to consult.

Time commitment wise, The TAB meets once a month for a conference
call, plus any additional time required to deal with TAB business.
Once a year (6 months after the TAB general election) the TAB elects
one member to serve as the chair, and the chair of the TAB is proposed
to the Linux Foundation to serve as a Linux Foundation Director which
has additional time requirements.

One last point, some issues addressed by the TAB are highly sensitive
and any member can request a topic to be kept strictly confidential.
We do this to protect the working relationship we have with industry
bodies, and to protect the companies and individuals involved. Any
prospective TAB member must be comfortable abiding by our
confidentiality rules.

I hope this answers your questions.

g.
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#1255208 — Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process

On Saturday, October 24, 2015 11:28:19 AM Grant Likely wrote:
> [Including Rafael who also asked about what being a TAB member means]
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 11:06:47AM +0100, Grant Likely wrote:
> > Is there a good description of what is expected of a TAB member? How much time
> > is involved? What makes a great TAB member?
> >
> > I've found: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/advisory-councils/tab
> >
> > I've read the charter and scanned some of the minutes, but I'd still like to
> > hear from some of the "incumbants". Specifically, what makes you successful as a
> > member of the TAB?
> 
> I've been asked several versions of the same question, and also the
> annual "what does the TAB actually do?" question, so I'm going to try
> and answer them all in one email:
> 
> As the name implies, the primary job of the TAB is to advise the Linux
> Foundation board of directors on technical, social and political
> issues regarding Linux and Open Source. Our job is to represent the
> views of Linux developers and to foster constructive communication
> between the Linux Foundation leadership and our community.
> 
> A natural by-product of this is that the TAB also acts in the
> background to identify and resolve issues for the Linux community
> before they become a problem. The TAB tends to be composed of well
> respected individuals with good connections throughout our community,
> and so we're in a good place to recognize who to talk to when an issue
> is raised.
> 
> Finally, there are a few projects that the TAB is directly responsible
> for. We make sure there is a planning committee for the Linux Plumbers
> conference every year. We run a 'buddy' program to help new Linux
> Foundation member companies learn how to be fine upstanding Linux
> citizens. We are the response team for any issues of harassment or
> abuse within the kernel community. In past years we coordinated the
> response to UEFI Secure Boot to ensure that Linux would not be locked
> out of the consumer PC market, and been active in helping member
> companies understand and be comfortable with the licencing obligations
> associated with Linux.
> 
> A good TAB member is well respected by the community, is a ready
> listener, is comfortable discussing both technical and social issues,
> and has a good understanding of how the Linux community works. Since
> the TAB deals with a wide range of issues, the ideal TAB candidate
> should be prepared to consider issues outside of their own area of
> expertise. Sometime the most important characteristic of a TAB member
> is recognizing when an issue is beyond their depth and go looking for
> the right person to consult.
> 
> Time commitment wise, The TAB meets once a month for a conference
> call, plus any additional time required to deal with TAB business.
> Once a year (6 months after the TAB general election) the TAB elects
> one member to serve as the chair, and the chair of the TAB is proposed
> to the Linux Foundation to serve as a Linux Foundation Director which
> has additional time requirements.
> 
> One last point, some issues addressed by the TAB are highly sensitive
> and any member can request a topic to be kept strictly confidential.
> We do this to protect the working relationship we have with industry
> bodies, and to protect the companies and individuals involved. Any
> prospective TAB member must be comfortable abiding by our
> confidentiality rules.
> 
> I hope this answers your questions.

It certainly does answer mine.

Thanks a lot,
Rafael

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#1255222 — Re: [Tech-board] [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process

Good write-up!  We should archive this for reference in future years!

John

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:28:19AM +0100, Grant Likely wrote:
> [Including Rafael who also asked about what being a TAB member means]
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 11:06:47AM +0100, Grant Likely wrote:
> > Is there a good description of what is expected of a TAB member? How much time
> > is involved? What makes a great TAB member?
> >
> > I've found: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/advisory-councils/tab
> >
> > I've read the charter and scanned some of the minutes, but I'd still like to
> > hear from some of the "incumbants". Specifically, what makes you successful as a
> > member of the TAB?
> 
> I've been asked several versions of the same question, and also the
> annual "what does the TAB actually do?" question, so I'm going to try
> and answer them all in one email:
> 
> As the name implies, the primary job of the TAB is to advise the Linux
> Foundation board of directors on technical, social and political
> issues regarding Linux and Open Source. Our job is to represent the
> views of Linux developers and to foster constructive communication
> between the Linux Foundation leadership and our community.
> 
> A natural by-product of this is that the TAB also acts in the
> background to identify and resolve issues for the Linux community
> before they become a problem. The TAB tends to be composed of well
> respected individuals with good connections throughout our community,
> and so we're in a good place to recognize who to talk to when an issue
> is raised.
> 
> Finally, there are a few projects that the TAB is directly responsible
> for. We make sure there is a planning committee for the Linux Plumbers
> conference every year. We run a 'buddy' program to help new Linux
> Foundation member companies learn how to be fine upstanding Linux
> citizens. We are the response team for any issues of harassment or
> abuse within the kernel community. In past years we coordinated the
> response to UEFI Secure Boot to ensure that Linux would not be locked
> out of the consumer PC market, and been active in helping member
> companies understand and be comfortable with the licencing obligations
> associated with Linux.
> 
> A good TAB member is well respected by the community, is a ready
> listener, is comfortable discussing both technical and social issues,
> and has a good understanding of how the Linux community works. Since
> the TAB deals with a wide range of issues, the ideal TAB candidate
> should be prepared to consider issues outside of their own area of
> expertise. Sometime the most important characteristic of a TAB member
> is recognizing when an issue is beyond their depth and go looking for
> the right person to consult.
> 
> Time commitment wise, The TAB meets once a month for a conference
> call, plus any additional time required to deal with TAB business.
> Once a year (6 months after the TAB general election) the TAB elects
> one member to serve as the chair, and the chair of the TAB is proposed
> to the Linux Foundation to serve as a Linux Foundation Director which
> has additional time requirements.
> 
> One last point, some issues addressed by the TAB are highly sensitive
> and any member can request a topic to be kept strictly confidential.
> We do this to protect the working relationship we have with industry
> bodies, and to protect the companies and individuals involved. Any
> prospective TAB member must be comfortable abiding by our
> confidentiality rules.
> 
> I hope this answers your questions.
> 
> g.
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#1255273 — Re: [Tech-board] [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:28:19 +0100
Grant Likely <glikely@secretlab.ca> wrote:

> I've been asked several versions of the same question, and also the
> annual "what does the TAB actually do?" question, so I'm going to try
> and answer them all in one email:

Great summary, Grant, thanks.

A few additions of my own...

- The Linux Foundation tends to ask TAB members if they can give talks at
  events.  Even more than free software development in general, TAB
  membership can be good if you don't like buying your own T-shirts!

- The TAB has been named in the kernel's "code of conflict" as the body
  that will receive complaints about harassment or other untoward
  behavior in our community and try to resolve them.  Thus far, no such
  complaints have been presented, but TAB members need to be prepared for
  that to happen.

- It has been my feeling for a fair while that the LF could make more use
  of the TAB and its expertise than happens currently.  Good TAB members
  might be those who are willing to let the LF know when they have an
  opinion on what the LF should be doing with and for the community.  As
  an example, some of us have been pushing for the TAB to help with the
  selection of technical talks at LF conferences; I *think* that we
  provided useful input for LCE this year.

That ties in to my last thought...in my time on the TAB, I've noticed
that most of the work tends to be done by a relatively small subset of
the members.  Perhaps every committee is like that, in the end.  A
successful TAB member, IMO, is one who is willing to make the time to not
just attend attend the meetings (which may be at less-than-convenient
times depending on where you live and travel), but also to commit to
putting some time into helping out when there's something to be done.

jon
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#1255286 — Re: [Tech-board] [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections and Nomination process

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:28:19 +0100
> Grant Likely <glikely@secretlab.ca> wrote:
>
>> I've been asked several versions of the same question, and also the
>> annual "what does the TAB actually do?" question, so I'm going to try
>> and answer them all in one email:
>
> Great summary, Grant, thanks.
>
> A few additions of my own...

Oh, yes. I completely agree with the following. Thank you Jon.

>
> - The Linux Foundation tends to ask TAB members if they can give talks at
>   events.  Even more than free software development in general, TAB
>   membership can be good if you don't like buying your own T-shirts!
>
> - The TAB has been named in the kernel's "code of conflict" as the body
>   that will receive complaints about harassment or other untoward
>   behavior in our community and try to resolve them.  Thus far, no such
>   complaints have been presented, but TAB members need to be prepared for
>   that to happen.
>
> - It has been my feeling for a fair while that the LF could make more use
>   of the TAB and its expertise than happens currently.  Good TAB members
>   might be those who are willing to let the LF know when they have an
>   opinion on what the LF should be doing with and for the community.  As
>   an example, some of us have been pushing for the TAB to help with the
>   selection of technical talks at LF conferences; I *think* that we
>   provided useful input for LCE this year.
>
> That ties in to my last thought...in my time on the TAB, I've noticed
> that most of the work tends to be done by a relatively small subset of
> the members.  Perhaps every committee is like that, in the end.  A
> successful TAB member, IMO, is one who is willing to make the time to not
> just attend attend the meetings (which may be at less-than-convenient
> times depending on where you live and travel), but also to commit to
> putting some time into helping out when there's something to be done.
>
> jon
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