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[PATCH 1/3] rhashtable-test: add cond_resched() to thread test

Started byPhil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
First post2015-08-28 12:30 +0200
Last post2015-08-28 13:10 +0200
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  [PATCH 1/3] rhashtable-test: add cond_resched() to thread test Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> - 2015-08-28 12:30 +0200
    [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> - 2015-08-28 12:30 +0200
      Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch> - 2015-08-28 13:10 +0200
        Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> - 2015-08-28 13:20 +0200
          Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> - 2015-08-28 15:40 +0200
            Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch> - 2015-08-29 00:50 +0200
              Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> - 2015-08-29 11:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-08-30 09:50 +0200
                  Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> - 2015-08-31 13:10 +0200
                    Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-01 13:50 +0200
                      Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> - 2015-09-01 14:50 +0200
                        Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-01 15:10 +0200
                          Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 15:50 +0200
                          Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> - 2015-09-01 15:50 +0200
                            Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-01 16:00 +0200
                              Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> - 2015-09-01 16:00 +0200
                                Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-01 16:10 +0200
                                  Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch> - 2015-09-01 16:20 +0200
                                    Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-01 16:20 +0200
                                      Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch> - 2015-09-01 17:00 +0200
                                        Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-02 04:10 +0200
                                          Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch> - 2015-09-02 09:10 +0200
    [PATCH 3/3] rhashtable-test: calculate max_entries value by default Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> - 2015-08-28 12:30 +0200
      Re: [PATCH 3/3] rhashtable-test: calculate max_entries value by  default Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch> - 2015-08-28 13:20 +0200
    Re: [PATCH 1/3] rhashtable-test: add cond_resched() to thread test Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch> - 2015-08-28 13:10 +0200

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#1215258 — [PATCH 1/3] rhashtable-test: add cond_resched() to thread test

FromPhil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
Date2015-08-28 12:30 +0200
Subject[PATCH 1/3] rhashtable-test: add cond_resched() to thread test
Message-ID<q2p50-t4-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
This should fix for soft lockup bugs triggered on slow systems.

Signed-off-by: Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
---
 lib/test_rhashtable.c | 5 +++++
 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+)

diff --git a/lib/test_rhashtable.c b/lib/test_rhashtable.c
index 8c1ad1c..63654e3 100644
--- a/lib/test_rhashtable.c
+++ b/lib/test_rhashtable.c
@@ -236,6 +236,8 @@ static int thread_lookup_test(struct thread_data *tdata)
 			       obj->value, key);
 			err++;
 		}
+
+		cond_resched();
 	}
 	return err;
 }
@@ -251,6 +253,7 @@ static int threadfunc(void *data)
 
 	for (i = 0; i < entries; i++) {
 		tdata->objs[i].value = (tdata->id << 16) | i;
+		cond_resched();
 		err = rhashtable_insert_fast(&ht, &tdata->objs[i].node,
 		                             test_rht_params);
 		if (err == -ENOMEM || err == -EBUSY) {
@@ -285,6 +288,8 @@ static int threadfunc(void *data)
 				goto out;
 			}
 			tdata->objs[i].value = TEST_INSERT_FAIL;
+
+			cond_resched();
 		}
 		err = thread_lookup_test(tdata);
 		if (err) {
-- 
2.1.2

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#1215261 — [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromPhil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
Date2015-08-28 12:30 +0200
Subject[PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q2p50-t4-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1215258
After adding cond_resched() calls to threadfunc(), a surprisingly high
rate of insert failures occurred probably due to table resizes getting a
better chance to run in background. To not soften up the remaining
tests, retry inserts until they either succeed or fail permanently.

Signed-off-by: Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
---
 lib/test_rhashtable.c | 13 +++++++------
 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)

diff --git a/lib/test_rhashtable.c b/lib/test_rhashtable.c
index 63654e3..093cf84 100644
--- a/lib/test_rhashtable.c
+++ b/lib/test_rhashtable.c
@@ -244,7 +244,7 @@ static int thread_lookup_test(struct thread_data *tdata)
 
 static int threadfunc(void *data)
 {
-	int i, step, err = 0, insert_fails = 0;
+	int i, step, err = 0, retries = 0;
 	struct thread_data *tdata = data;
 
 	up(&prestart_sem);
@@ -253,21 +253,22 @@ static int threadfunc(void *data)
 
 	for (i = 0; i < entries; i++) {
 		tdata->objs[i].value = (tdata->id << 16) | i;
+insert_retry:
 		cond_resched();
 		err = rhashtable_insert_fast(&ht, &tdata->objs[i].node,
 		                             test_rht_params);
 		if (err == -ENOMEM || err == -EBUSY) {
-			tdata->objs[i].value = TEST_INSERT_FAIL;
-			insert_fails++;
+			retries++;
+			goto insert_retry;
 		} else if (err) {
 			pr_err("  thread[%d]: rhashtable_insert_fast failed\n",
 			       tdata->id);
 			goto out;
 		}
 	}
-	if (insert_fails)
-		pr_info("  thread[%d]: %d insert failures\n",
-		        tdata->id, insert_fails);
+	if (retries)
+		pr_info("  thread[%d]: retried insert operation %d times\n",
+		        tdata->id, retries);
 
 	err = thread_lookup_test(tdata);
 	if (err) {
-- 
2.1.2

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#1215283 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromThomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Date2015-08-28 13:10 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q2pHI-1s8-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1215261
On 08/28/15 at 12:28pm, Phil Sutter wrote:
> After adding cond_resched() calls to threadfunc(), a surprisingly high
> rate of insert failures occurred probably due to table resizes getting a
> better chance to run in background. To not soften up the remaining
> tests, retry inserts until they either succeed or fail permanently.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
> ---
>  lib/test_rhashtable.c | 13 +++++++------
>  1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/lib/test_rhashtable.c b/lib/test_rhashtable.c
> index 63654e3..093cf84 100644
> --- a/lib/test_rhashtable.c
> +++ b/lib/test_rhashtable.c
> @@ -244,7 +244,7 @@ static int thread_lookup_test(struct thread_data *tdata)
>  
>  static int threadfunc(void *data)
>  {
> -	int i, step, err = 0, insert_fails = 0;
> +	int i, step, err = 0, retries = 0;
>  	struct thread_data *tdata = data;
>  
>  	up(&prestart_sem);
> @@ -253,21 +253,22 @@ static int threadfunc(void *data)
>  
>  	for (i = 0; i < entries; i++) {
>  		tdata->objs[i].value = (tdata->id << 16) | i;
> +insert_retry:
>  		cond_resched();
>  		err = rhashtable_insert_fast(&ht, &tdata->objs[i].node,
>  		                             test_rht_params);
>  		if (err == -ENOMEM || err == -EBUSY) {
> -			tdata->objs[i].value = TEST_INSERT_FAIL;
> -			insert_fails++;
> +			retries++;
> +			goto insert_retry;

Is it safe to retry indefinitely on ENOMEM? Retrying on EBUSY is
definitely an improvement and we should do the same in the non
threaded test as well.
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#1215288 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromPhil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
Date2015-08-28 13:20 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q2pRn-1DC-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1215283
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 01:09:29PM +0200, Thomas Graf wrote:
> On 08/28/15 at 12:28pm, Phil Sutter wrote:
> > After adding cond_resched() calls to threadfunc(), a surprisingly high
> > rate of insert failures occurred probably due to table resizes getting a
> > better chance to run in background. To not soften up the remaining
> > tests, retry inserts until they either succeed or fail permanently.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
> > ---
> >  lib/test_rhashtable.c | 13 +++++++------
> >  1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/lib/test_rhashtable.c b/lib/test_rhashtable.c
> > index 63654e3..093cf84 100644
> > --- a/lib/test_rhashtable.c
> > +++ b/lib/test_rhashtable.c
> > @@ -244,7 +244,7 @@ static int thread_lookup_test(struct thread_data *tdata)
> >  
> >  static int threadfunc(void *data)
> >  {
> > -	int i, step, err = 0, insert_fails = 0;
> > +	int i, step, err = 0, retries = 0;
> >  	struct thread_data *tdata = data;
> >  
> >  	up(&prestart_sem);
> > @@ -253,21 +253,22 @@ static int threadfunc(void *data)
> >  
> >  	for (i = 0; i < entries; i++) {
> >  		tdata->objs[i].value = (tdata->id << 16) | i;
> > +insert_retry:
> >  		cond_resched();
> >  		err = rhashtable_insert_fast(&ht, &tdata->objs[i].node,
> >  		                             test_rht_params);
> >  		if (err == -ENOMEM || err == -EBUSY) {
> > -			tdata->objs[i].value = TEST_INSERT_FAIL;
> > -			insert_fails++;
> > +			retries++;
> > +			goto insert_retry;
> 
> Is it safe to retry indefinitely on ENOMEM? Retrying on EBUSY is
> definitely an improvement and we should do the same in the non
> threaded test as well.

Oh yes, that is definitely a bug. I will respin and add the same for the
normal test, too.

Thanks, Phil
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#1215344 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromPhil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
Date2015-08-28 15:40 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q2s2U-4H9-47@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1215288
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 01:13:20PM +0200, Phil Sutter wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 01:09:29PM +0200, Thomas Graf wrote:
> > On 08/28/15 at 12:28pm, Phil Sutter wrote:
> > > After adding cond_resched() calls to threadfunc(), a surprisingly high
> > > rate of insert failures occurred probably due to table resizes getting a
> > > better chance to run in background. To not soften up the remaining
> > > tests, retry inserts until they either succeed or fail permanently.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
> > > ---
> > >  lib/test_rhashtable.c | 13 +++++++------
> > >  1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/lib/test_rhashtable.c b/lib/test_rhashtable.c
> > > index 63654e3..093cf84 100644
> > > --- a/lib/test_rhashtable.c
> > > +++ b/lib/test_rhashtable.c
> > > @@ -244,7 +244,7 @@ static int thread_lookup_test(struct thread_data *tdata)
> > >  
> > >  static int threadfunc(void *data)
> > >  {
> > > -	int i, step, err = 0, insert_fails = 0;
> > > +	int i, step, err = 0, retries = 0;
> > >  	struct thread_data *tdata = data;
> > >  
> > >  	up(&prestart_sem);
> > > @@ -253,21 +253,22 @@ static int threadfunc(void *data)
> > >  
> > >  	for (i = 0; i < entries; i++) {
> > >  		tdata->objs[i].value = (tdata->id << 16) | i;
> > > +insert_retry:
> > >  		cond_resched();
> > >  		err = rhashtable_insert_fast(&ht, &tdata->objs[i].node,
> > >  		                             test_rht_params);
> > >  		if (err == -ENOMEM || err == -EBUSY) {
> > > -			tdata->objs[i].value = TEST_INSERT_FAIL;
> > > -			insert_fails++;
> > > +			retries++;
> > > +			goto insert_retry;
> > 
> > Is it safe to retry indefinitely on ENOMEM? Retrying on EBUSY is
> > definitely an improvement and we should do the same in the non
> > threaded test as well.
> 
> Oh yes, that is definitely a bug. I will respin and add the same for the
> normal test, too.

Quite ugly, IMHO: rhashtable_insert_fast() may return -ENOMEM as
non-permanent error, if allocation in GFP_ATOMIC failed. In this case,
allocation in GFP_KERNEL is retried by rht_deferred_worker(). Sadly,
there is no way to determine if that has already been tried and failed.

The thread test triggers GFP_ATOMIC allocation failure quite easily, so
I can't really just ignore this issue. :)

Cheers, Phil
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#1215600 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromThomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Date2015-08-29 00:50 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q2AD8-8vL-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1215344
On 08/28/15 at 03:34pm, Phil Sutter wrote:
> Quite ugly, IMHO: rhashtable_insert_fast() may return -ENOMEM as
> non-permanent error, if allocation in GFP_ATOMIC failed. In this case,
> allocation in GFP_KERNEL is retried by rht_deferred_worker(). Sadly,
> there is no way to determine if that has already been tried and failed.
> 
> The thread test triggers GFP_ATOMIC allocation failure quite easily, so
> I can't really just ignore this issue. :)

Return EBUSY or ENOBUFS in the non-permanent case? It is definitely
helpful if the API allows to differ between permanent and
non-permanent errors.
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#1215732 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromPhil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
Date2015-08-29 11:10 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q2Kj7-5Iz-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1215600
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:43:03AM +0200, Thomas Graf wrote:
> On 08/28/15 at 03:34pm, Phil Sutter wrote:
> > Quite ugly, IMHO: rhashtable_insert_fast() may return -ENOMEM as
> > non-permanent error, if allocation in GFP_ATOMIC failed. In this case,
> > allocation in GFP_KERNEL is retried by rht_deferred_worker(). Sadly,
> > there is no way to determine if that has already been tried and failed.
> > 
> > The thread test triggers GFP_ATOMIC allocation failure quite easily, so
> > I can't really just ignore this issue. :)
> 
> Return EBUSY or ENOBUFS in the non-permanent case? It is definitely
> helpful if the API allows to differ between permanent and
> non-permanent errors.

Yes, indeed. Therefore rht_deferred_worker() needs to check the return
value of rhashtable_expand(). The question is how to propagate the error
condition, as the worker's return value is not being kept track of
(function returns void even).

Should we introduce a new field to struct rhashtable to track the
internal state? This might allow to clean up some rather obscure tests,
e.g. whether a table resize is in progress or not.

Cheers, Phil
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#1215872 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromHerbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Date2015-08-30 09:50 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q35xg-2u8-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1215732
Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> wrote:
>
> Should we introduce a new field to struct rhashtable to track the
> internal state? This might allow to clean up some rather obscure tests,
> e.g. whether a table resize is in progress or not.

Why would we want to do that? The deferred expansion is done
on a best effort basis so its failure has nothing to do with
the failure of a subsequent insertion.

The insertion must have tried its own last-ditch synchronous
expansion and only fail if that fails.

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#1216142 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromPhil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
Date2015-08-31 13:10 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3v8m-5TL-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1215872
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 03:47:17PM +0800, Herbert Xu wrote:
> Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> wrote:
> >
> > Should we introduce a new field to struct rhashtable to track the
> > internal state? This might allow to clean up some rather obscure tests,
> > e.g. whether a table resize is in progress or not.
> 
> Why would we want to do that? The deferred expansion is done
> on a best effort basis so its failure has nothing to do with
> the failure of a subsequent insertion.

The variable would be used to track if the worker has failed to allocate
memory in background.

Since the failing insertion will be retried, subsequent inserts are not
necessary unrelated.

> The insertion must have tried its own last-ditch synchronous
> expansion and only fail if that fails.

Who do you mean with "the insertion"? The user or the API?

Cheers, Phil
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#1216792 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromHerbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Date2015-09-01 13:50 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3SeC-5tT-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1216142
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 01:00:12PM +0200, Phil Sutter wrote:
> 
> The variable would be used to track if the worker has failed to allocate
> memory in background.
> 
> Since the failing insertion will be retried, subsequent inserts are not
> necessary unrelated.

If an insertion fails it is never retried.  The only thing that is
retried is the expansion of the table.  So I have no idea what
you are talking about.

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#1216820 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromPhil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
Date2015-09-01 14:50 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3TaF-6OS-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1216792
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 07:43:00PM +0800, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 01:00:12PM +0200, Phil Sutter wrote:
> > 
> > The variable would be used to track if the worker has failed to allocate
> > memory in background.
> > 
> > Since the failing insertion will be retried, subsequent inserts are not
> > necessary unrelated.
> 
> If an insertion fails it is never retried.  The only thing that is
> retried is the expansion of the table.  So I have no idea what
> you are talking about.

This is not an inherent behaviour of the implementation but general
agreement. The insertion may fail non-permanently (returning -EBUSY),
users are expected to handle this by retrying the operation.

Cheers, Phil
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#1216831 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromHerbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Date2015-09-01 15:10 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3Tu3-7qR-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1216820
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 02:46:48PM +0200, Phil Sutter wrote:
>
> This is not an inherent behaviour of the implementation but general
> agreement. The insertion may fail non-permanently (returning -EBUSY),
> users are expected to handle this by retrying the operation.

Absolutely not.  The only reason for an insertion to fail is if we
can't allocate enough memory.  Unless the user is also looping its
kmalloc calls it definitely shouldn't be retrying the insert.

If an expansion fails it means either that the system is suffering
a catastrophic memory shortage, or the user of rhashtable is doing
something wrong.

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#1216848 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromEric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-01 15:50 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3U6K-8ac-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1216831
On Tue, 2015-09-01 at 21:00 +0800, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 02:46:48PM +0200, Phil Sutter wrote:
> >
> > This is not an inherent behaviour of the implementation but general
> > agreement. The insertion may fail non-permanently (returning -EBUSY),
> > users are expected to handle this by retrying the operation.
> 
> Absolutely not.  The only reason for an insertion to fail is if we
> can't allocate enough memory.  Unless the user is also looping its
> kmalloc calls it definitely shouldn't be retrying the insert.
> 
> If an expansion fails it means either that the system is suffering
> a catastrophic memory shortage, or the user of rhashtable is doing
> something wrong.


-EBUSY does not sound as a memory allocation error.


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#1216852 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromPhil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
Date2015-09-01 15:50 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3U6K-8ac-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1216831
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 09:00:57PM +0800, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 02:46:48PM +0200, Phil Sutter wrote:
> >
> > This is not an inherent behaviour of the implementation but general
> > agreement. The insertion may fail non-permanently (returning -EBUSY),
> > users are expected to handle this by retrying the operation.
> 
> Absolutely not.  The only reason for an insertion to fail is if we
> can't allocate enough memory.  Unless the user is also looping its
> kmalloc calls it definitely shouldn't be retrying the insert.

rhashtable_insert_fast() returns -EBUSY if the table is full
(rht_grow_above_100() returns true) and an asynchronous rehash operation
is active. AFAICT, this is not necessarily caused by memory pressure.

> If an expansion fails it means either that the system is suffering
> a catastrophic memory shortage, or the user of rhashtable is doing
> something wrong.

Hmm. Since memory allocation is first tried with GFP_ATOMIC set and upon
failure retried in background, this seems like a situation which might
happen during normal use. If that already indicates a severe problem,
why retry in background at all?

Cheers, Phil
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#1216853 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromHerbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Date2015-09-01 16:00 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3Ugq-8lN-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1216852
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 03:43:11PM +0200, Phil Sutter wrote:
>
> Hmm. Since memory allocation is first tried with GFP_ATOMIC set and upon
> failure retried in background, this seems like a situation which might
> happen during normal use. If that already indicates a severe problem,
> why retry in background at all?

It should be tried in the background first at 70% and only when
that fails would we hit the 100% case and then we will try it
with GFP_ATOMIC.  If that fails then the insertion will fail.

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#1216855 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromPhil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
Date2015-09-01 16:00 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3Ugq-8lN-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1216853
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 09:50:19PM +0800, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 03:43:11PM +0200, Phil Sutter wrote:
> >
> > Hmm. Since memory allocation is first tried with GFP_ATOMIC set and upon
> > failure retried in background, this seems like a situation which might
> > happen during normal use. If that already indicates a severe problem,
> > why retry in background at all?
> 
> It should be tried in the background first at 70% and only when
> that fails would we hit the 100% case and then we will try it
> with GFP_ATOMIC.  If that fails then the insertion will fail.

Ah, good to know. Thanks for clarifying this!

Looking at rhashtable_test.c, I see the initial table size is 8 entries.
70% of that is 5.6 entries, so background expansion is started after the
6th entry has been added, right? Given there are 10 threads running
which try to insert 50k entries at the same time, I don't think it's
unlikely that three more entries are inserted before the background
expansion completes.

Cheers, Phil
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#1216864 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromHerbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Date2015-09-01 16:10 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3Uq5-kF-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1216855
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 03:56:18PM +0200, Phil Sutter wrote:
> 
> Looking at rhashtable_test.c, I see the initial table size is 8 entries.
> 70% of that is 5.6 entries, so background expansion is started after the
> 6th entry has been added, right? Given there are 10 threads running
> which try to insert 50k entries at the same time, I don't think it's
> unlikely that three more entries are inserted before the background
> expansion completes.

Yes but in that case the GFP_ATOMIC allocation should work because
the table is so small anyway.

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#1216868 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromThomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Date2015-09-01 16:20 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3UzL-w6-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1216864
On 09/01/15 at 10:03pm, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 03:56:18PM +0200, Phil Sutter wrote:
> > 
> > Looking at rhashtable_test.c, I see the initial table size is 8 entries.
> > 70% of that is 5.6 entries, so background expansion is started after the
> > 6th entry has been added, right? Given there are 10 threads running
> > which try to insert 50k entries at the same time, I don't think it's
> > unlikely that three more entries are inserted before the background
> > expansion completes.
> 
> Yes but in that case the GFP_ATOMIC allocation should work because
> the table is so small anyway.

You can easily trigger this outside of the testsuite as well. Open
10K Netlink sockets in a loop and the creation of the sockets will
fail way before memory pressure kicks in.

I agree with you that the user should never retry on memory failure.
That's why I suggested to differentiate between a "permanent" failure
(memory pressure) and non-permanent failure (temporary overload on
background expansion). Hence the proposed difference of return codes
ENOMEM and EBUSY to report this back to the API user.
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#1216873 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromHerbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Date2015-09-01 16:20 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3UzM-w6-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1216868
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 04:13:05PM +0200, Thomas Graf wrote:
>
> You can easily trigger this outside of the testsuite as well. Open
> 10K Netlink sockets in a loop and the creation of the sockets will
> fail way before memory pressure kicks in.

That means our implementation is buggy.  Do you have a test program?

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#1216894 — Re: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads

FromThomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Date2015-09-01 17:00 +0200
SubjectRe: [PATCH 2/3] rhashtable-test: retry insert operations in threads
Message-ID<q3Vct-1fz-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#1216873
On 09/01/15 at 10:16pm, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 04:13:05PM +0200, Thomas Graf wrote:
> >
> > You can easily trigger this outside of the testsuite as well. Open
> > 10K Netlink sockets in a loop and the creation of the sockets will
> > fail way before memory pressure kicks in.
> 
> That means our implementation is buggy.  Do you have a test program?

1. The current in-kernel self-test
2. bind_netlink.c: https://github.com/tgraf/rhashtable
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