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Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods

From Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods
Date 2017-07-12 19:20 +0200
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 08:54:58AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 02:22:49PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:09:31AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 06:34:22PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > Also, RCU_FAST_NO_HZ will make a fairly large difference here.. Paul
> > > > what's the state of that thing, do we actually want that or not?
> > > 
> > > If you are battery powered and don't have tight real-time latency
> > > constraints, you want it -- it has represent a 30-40% boost in battery
> > > lifetime for some low-utilization battery-powered devices.  Otherwise,
> > > probably not.
> > 
> > Would it make sense to hook that off of tick_nohz_idle_enter(); in
> > specific the part where we actually stop the tick; instead of every
> > idle?
> 
> The actions RCU takes on RCU_FAST_NO_HZ depend on the current state of
> the CPU's callback lists, so it seems to me that the decision has to
> be made on each idle entry.
> 
> Now it might be possible to make the checks more efficient, and doing
> that is on my list.
> 
> Or am I missing your point?

Could be I'm just not remembering how all that works.. But I was
wondering if we can do the expensive bits if we've decided to actually
go NOHZ and avoid doing it on every idle entry.

IIRC the RCU fast NOHZ bits try and flush the callback list (or paw it
off to another CPU?) such that we can go NOHZ sooner. Having a !empty
callback list avoid NOHZ from happening.

Now if we've already decided we can't in fact go NOHZ due to other
concerns, flushing the callback list is pointless work. So I'm thinking
we can find a better place to do this.

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[RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com> - 2017-07-10 03:50 +0200
  [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] sched/idle: make the fast idle path for short idle periods Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com> - 2017-07-10 03:50 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] sched/idle: make the fast idle path for  short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-11 15:00 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] sched/idle: make the fast idle path for  short idle periods Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 18:40 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] sched/idle: make the fast idle path for  short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-11 20:20 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] sched/idle: make the fast idle path for  short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-12 05:30 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] sched/idle: make the fast idle path for  short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-12 07:10 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] sched/idle: make the fast idle path for  short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-12 07:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] sched/idle: make the fast idle path for  short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 14:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH v1 05/11] cpuidle: update idle statistics before cpuidle governor Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com> - 2017-07-10 03:50 +0200
  [RFC PATCH v1 08/11] cpuidle: menu: remove reduplicative implementation Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com> - 2017-07-10 04:00 +0200
  [RFC PATCH v1 07/11] cpuidle: make idle residency update more generic Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com> - 2017-07-10 04:00 +0200
  [RFC PATCH v1 03/11] cpuidle: introduce cpuidle governor for idle prediction Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com> - 2017-07-10 04:00 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH v1 03/11] cpuidle: introduce cpuidle governor for  idle prediction Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 14:20 +0200
  [RFC PATCH v1 09/11] cpuidle: menu: feed cpuidle prediction to menu governor Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com> - 2017-07-10 04:00 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-10 10:50 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Wanpeng Li <kernellwp@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 11:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-10 16:00 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-10 16:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-10 18:50 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-10 19:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-11 06:50 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-11 11:50 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 18:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-11 18:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-11 20:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 14:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-12 18:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 19:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-12 21:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-12 21:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 14:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-12 18:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 19:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 20:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-12 21:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-12 20:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-13 10:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-12 06:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 10:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-12 23:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-13 10:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-13 16:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-13 17:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-13 17:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-13 20:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-14 06:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-14 17:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-14 18:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-14 18:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-17 11:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-17 15:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-14 18:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-14 18:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-14 18:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-17 21:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-17 21:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle  periods Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> - 2017-07-17 21:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-17 22:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle  periods Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> - 2017-07-17 22:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-17 21:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle  periods Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> - 2017-07-17 22:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-17 22:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-18 05:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-18 05:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-18 06:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle  periods Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> - 2017-07-18 08:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-18 09:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle  periods Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> - 2017-07-18 09:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle  periods Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> - 2017-07-18 09:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-18 09:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-14 18:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-13 17:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-14 05:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-14 06:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-17 15:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-17 16:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-17 16:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 14:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle  periods Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2017-07-11 20:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-12 04:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com> - 2017-07-12 04:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 20:20 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-11 11:10 +0200

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