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| From | Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.kernel |
| Subject | Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces |
| Date | 2017-07-13 19:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u2QfM-85-23@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On 07/13/2017 01:14 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> writes:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 07:11:36AM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>> The concise summary:
>>>
>>> Today we have the xattr security.capable that holds a set of
>>> capabilities that an application gains when executed. AKA setuid root exec
>>> without actually being setuid root.
>>>
>>> User namespaces have the concept of capabilities that are not global but
>>> are limited to their user namespace. We do not currently have
>>> filesystem support for this concept.
>> So correct me if I am wrong; in general, there will only be one
>> variant of the form:
>>
>> security.foo@uid=15000
>>
>> It's not like there will be:
>>
>> security.foo@uid=1000
>> security.foo@uid=2000
>>
>> Except.... if you have an Distribution root directory which is shared
>> by many containers, you would need to put the xattrs in the overlay
>> inodes. Worse, each time you launch a new container, with a new
>> subuid allocation, you will have to iterate over all files with
>> capabilities and do a copy-up operations on the xattrs in overlayfs.
>> So that's actually a bit of a disaster.
>>
>> So for distribution overlays, you will need to do things a different
>> way, which is to map the distro subdirectory so you know that the
>> capability with the global uid 0 should be used for the container
>> "root" uid, right?
>>
>> So this hack of using security.foo@uid=1000 is *only* useful when the
>> subcontainer root wants to create the privileged executable. You
>> still have to do things the other way.
>>
>> So can we make perhaps the assertion that *either*:
>>
>> security.foo
>>
>> exists, *or*
>>
>> security.foo@uid=BAR
>>
>> exists, but never both? And there BAR is exclusive to only one
>> instances?
>>
>> Otherwise, I suspect that the architecture is going to turn around and
>> bite us in the *ss eventually, because someone will want to do
>> something crazy and the solution will not be scalable.
> Yep. That is what it looks like from here.
>
> Which is why I asked the question about scalability of the xattr
> implementations. It looks like trying to accomodate the general
> case just gets us in trouble, and sets unrealistic expectations.
>
> Which strongly suggests that Serge's previous version that
> just reved the format of security.capable so that a uid field could
> be added is likely to be the better approach.
>
> I want to see what Serge and Stefan have to say but the case looks
> pretty clear cut at the moment.
The approach of virtualizing the xattrs on the name-side, which is what
this patch does, provides a more general approach than to virtualizing
it on the value side, which is what Serge does in his other patch for
security.capability alone. With the virtualizing on-the-value side
virtualizing the xattr becomes an exercise that needs to be repeated for
every xattr name that one would want to virtualize. With this patch you
would just add another xattr name to a list, a one-line patch in the
end. Xattr with prefixes like trusted.* need a bit more work but this
can be woven in as well
(https://github.com/stefanberger/linux/commit/397b1a3b24045c67405fc83465e544fc865d402f).
For virtualizing the xattrs on the 'value' side I was looking for
whether there's something like a 'wrapper' structure around the actual
value of the xattr so that that wrapper could be extended to support
different values at different uids and applied to any xattr.
Unfortunately there's no such 'wrapper'.
Stefan
>
> Eric
>
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[PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <"Stefan Bergerstefanb"@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-11 17:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-11 19:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-12 02:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-12 02:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-12 05:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-12 13:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-12 19:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> - 2017-07-12 10:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-12 15:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-12 19:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> - 2017-07-13 00:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-13 02:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-13 03:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-13 01:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-13 02:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2017-07-13 03:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-13 04:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-13 14:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2017-07-13 18:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-13 19:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-13 19:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2017-07-13 21:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-13 21:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-13 23:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> - 2017-07-18 09:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-13 19:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-13 19:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-13 20:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-13 21:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-13 23:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-14 02:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-14 13:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-14 14:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-14 14:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-14 15:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-14 17:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-14 19:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-14 20:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-14 20:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2017-07-14 21:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-14 22:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2017-07-14 22:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2017-07-14 23:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-15 01:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-15 01:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-15 02:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2017-07-14 21:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-14 21:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-14 21:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-15 02:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-16 13:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-14 21:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-14 21:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-13 23:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-13 23:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2017-07-13 02:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> - 2017-07-12 20:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-12 21:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-07-15 01:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-15 23:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> - 2017-07-17 21:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2017-07-17 23:00 +0200
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