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RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements

From <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements
Date 2017-04-13 18:00 +0200
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lutomirski [mailto:luto@kernel.org]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:35 AM
> To: Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com>
> Cc: Limonciello, Mario <Mario_Limonciello@Dell.com>; Hans de Goede
> <hdegoede@redhat.com>; Michał Kępień <kernel@kempniu.pl>; Darren Hart
> <dvhart@infradead.org>; Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@rjwysocki.net>; Len Brown
> <len.brown@intel.com>; corentin.chary@gmail.com; Andrew Lutomirski
> <luto@kernel.org>; Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>;
> linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org; linux-
> pm@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements
> 
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday 13 April 2017 13:29:41 Mario.Limonciello@dell.com wrote:
> >> > Please pardon my ignorance, but what do we actually gain by
> >> > exposing WMI to userspace?  Enabling applications to fetch SMBIOS
> >> > data?  We already have an interface for that.  Enabling applications to
> receive input events?  Likewise.
> >>
> >> Input notifications are just one aspect that received over WMI.  I
> >> don't see any reason to move the notifications out of the kernel.
> >>
> >> In terms of userspace applications, once a WMI interface to userspace
> >> is available libsmbios would change over to that.  Applications using
> libsmbios would benefit.
> >
> > Really libsmbios matters here? Hans (added to thread) wrote that
> > libsmbios is a relic, something of ages long gone by and a normal user
> > should never use it.
> >
> > If this is truth and libsmbios should not be used, then we probably do
> > not need to care about it in changes for WMI.
> >
> > Hans, Mario, any comment/clarification about it?
> >
> >> > You mentioned WMI's efficiency compared to SMI/SMM, but is it a
> >> > difference significant enough for anyone to notice?
> >>
> >> At least for Dell there are optimizations being made when data is
> >> requested over the WMI-ACPI wrapper instead of directly via SMI/SMM.
> >>
> >> For example if the data is a "static" table or the request is to
> >> something that is passed thru to the EC it's a big waste of effort to put the
> CPU in SMM.
> >>
> >> The savings there is significant.
> >
> > Maybe we can use this Dell WMI-ACPI wrapper for kernel drivers instead
> > of current SMI/SMM direct access?
> >
> 
> This would make sense to me.  IIRC the only functional difference is the way
> that pointers are handled.  It shouldn't be that hard to make it work for both
> variants, though.  It could look like:
> 
> buf = dell_smbios_alloc(...);
> dell_smbios_put_pointer(buf, offset of pointer, offset of pointee);
> dell_smbios_call(buf);
> 
> or similar.

Yes, I was going to encourage that kernel change after this WMI discussion 
had some conclusions.

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RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-13 01:10 +0200
  Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 09:40 +0200
    Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-13 19:00 +0200
      RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-13 22:40 +0200
        Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-14 02:00 +0200
          RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-14 19:50 +0200
            Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-14 20:30 +0200
              RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-14 21:10 +0200
  Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Michał Kępień <kernel@kempniu.pl> - 2017-04-13 09:40 +0200
    RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-13 15:50 +0200
      Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 16:00 +0200
        Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-13 17:40 +0200
          RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-13 18:00 +0200
            Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-13 18:10 +0200
        RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-13 17:50 +0200
          Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com> - 2017-04-18 12:00 +0200
            RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-18 16:10 +0200
    Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-13 17:40 +0200
      Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-13 17:50 +0200
        Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-13 18:20 +0200
      Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 17:50 +0200
      Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-13 18:00 +0200
        RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-13 19:00 +0200
          Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-13 19:10 +0200
            Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-13 19:50 +0200
              RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-13 20:00 +0200
            RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-13 19:50 +0200
              Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 10:00 +0200
                Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-18 19:00 +0200
                Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 21:30 +0200
      RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-13 18:00 +0200
        Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-13 19:10 +0200
          Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-13 19:40 +0200
            RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-13 19:50 +0200
      Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-13 18:10 +0200
  Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-04-15 01:00 +0200
    Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-15 01:10 +0200
      Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2017-04-18 00:10 +0200
        Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-18 01:20 +0200
          Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-04-18 15:20 +0200
            Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-18 18:40 +0200
              Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 21:30 +0200
                Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-19 00:50 +0200
                Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 10:00 +0200
                RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-19 18:40 +0200
                Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 19:00 +0200
                RE: RFC: WMI Enhancements <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> - 2017-04-19 19:30 +0200
                Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 15:20 +0200
                Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2017-04-20 22:50 +0200
                Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> - 2017-04-20 16:20 +0200
              Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2017-04-18 23:20 +0200

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