Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it

From	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it
Date	2017-04-03 16:40 +0200
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On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 06:28:38AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-04-03 at 14:25 +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> > Also I think that EIO should always over-ride ENOSPC as the possible
> > responses are different.  That probably means you need a separate seq
> > number for each, which isn't ideal.
> > 
> 
> I'm not quite convinced that it's really useful to do anything but
> report the latest error.
> 
> But...if we did need to prefer one over another, could we get away with
> always reporting -EIO once that error occurs? If so, then we'd still
> just need a single sequence counter.

I wonder whether it's even worth supporting both EIO and ENOSPC for a
writeback problem.  If I understand correctly, at the time of write(),
filesystems check to see if they have enough blocks to satisfy the
request, so ENOSPC only comes up in the writeback context for thinly
provisioned devices.

Programs have basically no use for the distinction.  In either case,
the situation is the same.  The written data is safely in RAM and cannot
be written to the storage.  If one were to make superhuman efforts,
one could mmap the file and write() it to a different device, but that
is incredibly rare.  For most programs, the response is to just die and
let the human deal with the corrupted file.

From a sysadmin point of view, of course the situation is different,
and the remedy is different, but they should be getting that information
through a different mechanism than monitoring the errno from every
system call.

If we do want to continue to support both EIO and ENOSPC from writeback,
then let's have EIO override ENOSPC as an error.  ie if an ENOSPC comes
in after an EIO is set, it only bumps the counter and applications will
see EIO, not ENOSPC on fresh calls to fsync().

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[RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-03-31 21:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 2/4] dax: set errors in mapping when writeback fails Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-03-31 21:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 1/4] fs: new infrastructure for writeback error handling and reporting Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-03-31 21:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] fs: new infrastructure for writeback error  handling and reporting Nikolay Borisov <nborisov@suse.com> - 2017-04-03 09:20 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] fs: new infrastructure for writeback error  handling and reporting Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-03 12:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] fs: new infrastructure for writeback error  handling and reporting Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-03 16:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] fs: new infrastructure for writeback error  handling and reporting Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-03 17:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] fs: new infrastructure for writeback error  handling and reporting Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-03 18:20 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] fs: new infrastructure for writeback error  handling and reporting Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-03 18:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 4/4] ext4: wire it up to the new writeback error reporting infrastructure Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-03-31 21:30 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-03 06:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-03 12:30 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-03 16:40 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-03 19:50 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org> - 2017-04-03 20:20 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-03 20:20 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org> - 2017-04-03 20:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org> - 2017-04-03 20:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-03 20:50 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-03 21:20 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-03 22:20 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-04 04:50 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-04 05:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-04 13:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-05 00:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-04 14:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-04 14:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-04 18:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-04 18:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-04 19:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-04 20:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-05 01:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-05 22:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-05 23:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-06 02:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-06 02:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-06 05:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-06 07:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-06 15:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-07 00:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-06 16:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-06 21:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-06 22:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-07 15:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-10 01:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-10 15:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-07 00:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-05 01:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-04-05 13:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-06 02:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2017-04-04 15:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com> - 2017-04-05 00:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking  infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> - 2017-04-03 17:00 +0200

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