Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] random: warn when kernel uses unseeded randomness

From	Stephan Müller <smueller@chronox.de>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] random: warn when kernel uses unseeded randomness
Date	2017-06-15 14:00 +0200
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Am Donnerstag, 15. Juni 2017, 13:03:48 CEST schrieb Michael Ellerman:

Hi Michael,

> 
> Even with this patch, it's still pretty spammy (today's linux-next):
> 

I would think that the issue regarding the logging is relevant for 
cryptographic use cases or use cases requiring strong random numbers only. 
Only those use cases should be fixed eventually to wait for a fully seeded 
DRNG.

The logged messages you present here indicate use cases where no strong 
security is required. It looks like that the logs show ASLR related use of 
random numbers. Those do not require a fully seeded ChaCha20 DRNG.

IMHO, users using the get_random_u64 or get_random_u32 are use cases that do 
not require a fully seeded DRNG thus do not need a cryptographically strong 
random number. Hence, I would think that the logging should be removed from 
get_random_u32/u64.

Yet, logging should remain for get_random_bytes which should be denominated as 
the interface for use cases where cryptographically strong random numbers are 
required.

Ciao
Stephan

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Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] random: warn when kernel uses unseeded  randomness Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2017-06-08 10:20 +0200
  Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] random: warn when kernel uses unseeded randomness "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com> - 2017-06-08 14:10 +0200
  Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] random: warn when kernel uses unseeded randomness Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au> - 2017-06-15 13:10 +0200
    Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] random: warn when kernel uses unseeded randomness Stephan Müller <smueller@chronox.de> - 2017-06-15 14:00 +0200
      Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] random: warn when kernel  uses unseeded randomness Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2017-06-18 17:50 +0200
        Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] random: warn when kernel uses unseeded randomness Stephan Müller <smueller@chronox.de> - 2017-06-18 20:00 +0200
          Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] random: warn when kernel  uses unseeded randomness "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com> - 2017-06-18 21:20 +0200
        Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] random: warn when kernel  uses unseeded randomness "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com> - 2017-06-18 21:20 +0200

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