Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference

From	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference
Date	2017-05-01 22:30 +0200
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On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 01:23:59PM +0300, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 07:14:24PM -0400, Jerome Glisse wrote:
>> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:17:26PM +0300, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
>> > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 03:33:07PM -0400, Jerome Glisse wrote:
>> > > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 12:22:24PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>> > > > > Are you sure about needing to hook the 2 -> 1 transition? Could we
>> > > > > change ZONE_DEVICE pages to not have an elevated reference count when
>> > > > > they are created so you can keep the HMM references out of the mm hot
>> > > > > path?
>> > > >
>> > > > 100% sure on that :) I need to callback into driver for 2->1 transition
>> > > > no way around that. If we change ZONE_DEVICE to not have an elevated
>> > > > reference count that you need to make a lot more change to mm so that
>> > > > ZONE_DEVICE is never use as fallback for memory allocation. Also need
>> > > > to make change to be sure that ZONE_DEVICE page never endup in one of
>> > > > the path that try to put them back on lru. There is a lot of place that
>> > > > would need to be updated and it would be highly intrusive and add a
>> > > > lot of special cases to other hot code path.
>> > >
>> > > Could you explain more on where the requirement comes from or point me to
>> > > where I can read about this.
>> > >
>> >
>> > HMM ZONE_DEVICE pages are use like other pages (anonymous or file back page)
>> > in _any_ vma. So i need to know when a page is freed ie either as result of
>> > unmap, exit or migration or anything that would free the memory. For zone
>> > device a page is free once its refcount reach 1 so i need to catch refcount
>> > transition from 2->1
>>
>> What if we would rework zone device to have pages with refcount 0 at
>> start?
>
> That is a _lot_ of work from top of my head because it would need changes
> to a lot of places and likely more hot code path that simply adding some-
> thing to put_page() note that i only need something in put_page() i do not
> need anything in the get page path. Is adding a conditional branch for
> HMM pages in put_page() that much of a problem ?
>
>
>> > This is the only way i can inform the device that the page is now free. See
>> >
>> > https://cgit.freedesktop.org/~glisse/linux/commit/?h=hmm-v21&id=52da8fe1a088b87b5321319add79e43b8372ed7d
>> >
>> > There is _no_ way around that.
>>
>> I'm still not convinced that it's impossible.
>>
>> Could you describe lifecycle for pages in case of HMM?
>
> Process malloc something, end it over to some function in the program
> that use the GPU that function call GPU API (OpenCL, CUDA, ...) that
> trigger a migration to device memory.
>
> So in the kernel you get a migration like any existing migration,
> original page is unmap, if refcount is all ok (no pin) then a device
> page is allocated and thing are migrated to device memory.
>
> What happen after is unknown. Either userspace/kernel driver decide
> to migrate back to system memory, either there is an munmap, either
> there is a CPU page fault, ... So from that point on the device page
> as the exact same life as a regular page.
>
> Above i describe the migrate case, but you can also have new memory
> allocation that directly allocate device memory. For instance if the
> GPU do a page fault on an address that isn't back by anything then
> we can directly allocate a device page. No migration involve in that
> case.
>
> HMM pages are like any other pages in most respect. Exception are:
>   - no GUP
>   - no KSM
>   - no lru reclaim
>   - no NUMA balancing
>   - no regular migration (existing migrate_page)
>
> The fact that minimum refcount for ZONE_DEVICE is 1 already gives
> us for free most of the above exception. To convert the refcount to
> be like other pages would mean that all of the above would need to
> be audited and probably modify to ignore ZONE_DEVICE pages (i am
> pretty sure Dan do not want any of the above either).

Right, adding HMM references to get_page() and put_page() seems less
intrusive. Given how uncommon HMM hardware is (insert grumble about no
visible upstream user of this functionality) I think the 'static
branch' approach helps mitigate the impact for everything else.
Looking back, I should have used that mechanism for the pmem use case,
but it's moot now.

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[PATCH] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-27 03:10 +0200
  Re: [PATCH] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> - 2017-04-27 10:40 +0200
    Re: [PATCH] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2017-04-28 08:40 +0200
      [PATCH] mm, zone_device: Replace {get, put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com> - 2017-04-28 10:20 +0200
      [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-28 19:30 +0200
        Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-04-28 19:40 +0200
          Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-28 19:50 +0200
            Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-04-28 20:10 +0200
              Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-28 21:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-04-28 21:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-28 21:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-04-28 21:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> - 2017-04-29 12:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-05-01 01:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-05-01 03:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-05-01 04:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-05-01 04:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-05-01 05:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> - 2017-05-01 12:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-05-01 16:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-05-01 22:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-05-01 22:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> - 2017-05-02 13:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-05-02 15:30 +0200
        Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2017-04-29 16:20 +0200
          Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-05-01 04:50 +0200
            Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2017-05-01 09:20 +0200
              Re: [PATCH v2] mm, zone_device: replace {get,  put}_zone_device_page() with a single reference "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> - 2017-05-01 11:40 +0200
        [tip:x86/mm] mm, zone_device: Replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference to fix pmem crash tip-bot for Dan Williams <tipbot@zytor.com> - 2017-05-01 10:40 +0200
  Re: [PATCH] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-27 18:20 +0200
    Re: [PATCH] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-27 18:40 +0200
      Re: [PATCH] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-27 18:40 +0200
        Re: [PATCH] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-27 18:50 +0200
        Re: [PATCH] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-27 18:50 +0200
  Re: [PATCH] mm, zone_device: replace {get, put}_zone_device_page()  with a single reference Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-27 18:20 +0200

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