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Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver

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2017-01-17 09:30-0200, Marcelo Tosatti:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 09:03:27AM +0100, Miroslav Lichvar wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 06:01:14PM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 05:47:15PM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>> > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 05:36:55PM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>> > > > Sorry, unless i am misunderstanding how this works, it'll get the guest clock
>> > > > 2us behind, which is something not wanted.
>> > > > 
>> > > > Miroslav, if ->gettime64 returns the host realtime at 2us in the past, 
>> > > > this means Chrony will sync the guest clock to
>> > > > 
>> > > > host realtime - 2us
>> > > > 
>> > > > Is that correct?
>> 
>> Probably. It depends on the error of both host and guest timestamps.
>> If the error is the same on both sides, it will cancel out. An
>> occasional spike in the delay shouldn't be a problem as the reading
>> will be filtered out, but for best accuracy it's necessary that the
>> host's timestamp is taken in the middle between the guest's
>> timestamps.
> 
> The problem is that spikes can be far from occasional: it depends on activity of
> the host CPU and interrupts. Whose delay can be "intermittent": as long
> as interrupts are being sent to the host CPU, for example, the delay
> will be high (which can last minutes).
> 
> The TSC reading in the guest KVM PTP driver corrects for that delay.
> 
>> Users of the PTP_SYS_OFFSET ioctl assume that (ts[0]+ts[2])/2
>> corresponds to ts[1], (ts[2]+ts[4])/2 corresponds to ts[3], and so on.
>> 
>>                     ts[1]     ts[3]
>> Host time    ---------+---------+........
>>                       |         |
>>                       |         |
>> Guest time   ----+---------+---------+......
>>                 ts[0]    ts[2]     ts[4]

KVM PTP delay moves host ts[i] to be close to guest ts[i+1] and makes
the offset very consistent, so the graph would look like:

                        ts[1]     ts[3]
Host time    -------------+---------+........
                          |         |
                          |         |
Guest time   ----+---------+---------+......
                ts[0]    ts[2]     ts[4]

which doesn't sound good if users assume that the host reading is in the
middle -- the guest time would be ahead of the host time.

I'm wondering why is the PTP precision around 10ns, when the hypercall
takes around 2-3k cycles.  Have you measured the guest<->host offset by
getting the output of the hypercall, i.e.
  {host_sec @ tsc, host_nsec @ tsc, tsc}
and comparing it with guest time computed from the same tsc, i.e.
  {guest_sec @ tsc, guest_nsec @ tsc}
?

Thanks.

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Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-16 20:40 +0100
  Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-16 20:50 +0100
    Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-16 21:10 +0100
      Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com> - 2017-01-17 09:10 +0100
        Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-17 12:40 +0100
          Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com> - 2017-01-17 16:40 +0100
            Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 13:20 +0100
              Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 13:30 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 13:50 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 14:40 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 15:20 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 16:00 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 16:40 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 17:00 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-20 11:40 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 15:40 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 17:00 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 17:10 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 17:20 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 15:40 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 16:00 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 16:30 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> - 2017-01-20 11:40 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com> - 2017-01-20 15:30 +0100
                Re: [patch 3/3] PTP: add kvm PTP driver Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com> - 2017-01-18 17:10 +0100

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