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Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers

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On (10/04/16 16:52), Petr Mladek wrote:
> > 
> > Or is there any other catch that I do not see at the moment?
> 
> And there is :-( The above logic looked at the problem only from
> one side. It was about errors starting from the printk()
> code itself, for example:

yes, like I said - printk recursion and printk deadlock are different
things. and recursion cases are a subset of deadlock cases.

> The only thing that might help here is to call
> alt_printk_enter()/exit() in wake_up_process() itself. Otherwise,
> we still would need to keep the printk_deferred() stuff.

yes.
or
- combine alt_printk and DEFERRED_WARN/etc.
or
- rewrite printk() to be lock-less by default (for all invocations).

> By other words, we might need to put alt_printk_enter()/exit()
> into the scheduler and timekeeping code. In theory it might
> be easier to maintain than the separated printk_deferred() calls.
> But there might be some catches because we need to disable
> the interrupts, ...

right. and I have some doubts that people will be willing to put
alt_printk_enter/exit into those hot paths.


> Sigh, this 2nd scenario is much more likely than the 1st one.
> I guess that warnings in the scheduler/timekeeping code
> will be triggered outside printk() most of the time.

hm. may be. but the reports we received so far starts from printk()
and end up in printk() - IOW, recursion.

> It means that this approach might be much harder to sell
> after all :-(

well, it solves a number of problems that the existing implementation
cannot handle.

would have been nice to cover all of the cases, but that's a bit hard.

	-ss

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[RFC][PATCH 0/7] printk: use alt_printk to handle printk() recursive calls Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 16:30 +0200
  [RFC][PATCH 5/7] printk: drop vprintk_func function Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 16:30 +0200
  [RFC][PATCH 3/7] printk: introduce per-cpu alt_print seq buffer Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 16:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 3/7] printk: introduce per-cpu alt_print seq buffer Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-09-29 14:30 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 3/7] printk: introduce per-cpu alt_print seq buffer Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 03:10 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 3/7] printk: introduce per-cpu alt_print seq buffer Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-09-30 13:40 +0200
  [RFC][PATCH 1/7] printk: use vprintk_func in vprintk() Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 16:30 +0200
  [RFC][PATCH 2/7] printk: rename nmi.c and exported api Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 16:30 +0200
  [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 16:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-09-29 15:10 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 03:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-09-30 13:20 +0200
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 04:50 +0200
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-10-04 14:30 +0200
              Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 03:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-10-05 12:20 +0200
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 10:00 +0200
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-10-04 17:00 +0200
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 03:30 +0200
              Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-10-05 12:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 06:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-10-06 13:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 06:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-10-10 13:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 09:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] printk: use alternative printk buffers Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-10-11 11:40 +0200
  [RFC][PATCH 4/7] printk: make alt_printk available when config printk set Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 16:30 +0200
  [RFC][PATCH 7/7] printk: new printk() recursion detection Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 16:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 7/7] printk: new printk() recursion detection Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-09-29 15:30 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 7/7] printk: new printk() recursion detection Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 04:10 +0200
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] printk: use alt_printk to handle printk()  recursive calls Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-09-29 15:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] printk: use alt_printk to handle printk()  recursive calls Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 04:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] printk: use alt_printk to handle printk()  recursive calls Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-09-30 13:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] printk: use alt_printk to handle printk()  recursive calls Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 05:10 +0200
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] printk: use alt_printk to handle printk()  recursive calls Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2016-10-04 13:40 +0200

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