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Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL automatically

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Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 05-12-16 22:45:19, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> > Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > __alloc_pages_may_oom makes sure to skip the OOM killer depending on
> > > the allocation request. This includes lowmem requests, costly high
> > > order requests and others. For a long time __GFP_NOFAIL acted as an
> > > override for all those rules. This is not documented and it can be quite
> > > surprising as well. E.g. GFP_NOFS requests are not invoking the OOM
> > > killer but GFP_NOFS|__GFP_NOFAIL does so if we try to convert some of
> > > the existing open coded loops around allocator to nofail request (and we
> > > have done that in the past) then such a change would have a non trivial
> > > side effect which is not obvious. Note that the primary motivation for
> > > skipping the OOM killer is to prevent from pre-mature invocation.
> > > 
> > > The exception has been added by 82553a937f12 ("oom: invoke oom killer
> > > for __GFP_NOFAIL"). The changelog points out that the oom killer has to
> > > be invoked otherwise the request would be looping for ever. But this
> > > argument is rather weak because the OOM killer doesn't really guarantee
> > > any forward progress for those exceptional cases - e.g. it will hardly
> > > help to form costly order - I believe we certainly do not want to kill
> > > all processes and eventually panic the system just because there is a
> > > nasty driver asking for order-9 page with GFP_NOFAIL not realizing all
> > > the consequences - it is much better this request would loop for ever
> > > than the massive system disruption, lowmem is also highly unlikely to be
> > > freed during OOM killer and GFP_NOFS request could trigger while there
> > > is still a lot of memory pinned by filesystems.
> > 
> > I disagree. I believe that panic caused by OOM killer is much much better
> > than a locked up system. I hate to add new locations that can lockup inside
> > page allocator. This is __GFP_NOFAIL and reclaim has failed.
> 
> As a matter of fact any __GFP_NOFAIL can lockup inside the allocator.

You are trying to increase possible locations of lockups by changing
default behavior of __GFP_NOFAIL.

> Full stop. There is no guaranteed way to make a forward progress with
> the current page allocator implementation.

Then, will you accept kmallocwd until page allocator implementation
can provide a guaranteed way to make a forward progress?

> 
> So we are somewhere in the middle between pre-mature and pointless
> system disruption (GFP_NOFS with a lots of metadata or lowmem request)
> where the OOM killer even might not help and potential lockup which is
> inevitable with the current design. Dunno about you but I would rather
> go with the first option. To be honest I really fail to understand your
> line of argumentation. We have this
> 	do {
> 		cond_resched();
> 	} while (!(page = alloc_page(GFP_NOFS)));
> vs.
> 	page = alloc_page(GFP_NOFS | __GFP_NOFAIL);
> 
> the first one doesn't invoke OOM killer while the later does. This
> discrepancy just cannot make any sense... The same is true for
> 
> 	alloc_page(GFP_DMA) vs alloc_page(GFP_DMA|__GFP_NOFAIL)
> 
> Now we can discuss whether it is a _good_ idea to not invoke OOM killer
> for those exceptions but whatever we do __GFP_NOFAIL is not a way to
> give such a subtle side effect. Or do you disagree even with that?

"[PATCH 1/2] mm: consolidate GFP_NOFAIL checks in the allocator slowpath"
silently changes __GFP_NOFAIL vs. __GFP_NORETRY priority.

Currently, __GFP_NORETRY is stronger than __GFP_NOFAIL; __GFP_NOFAIL
allocation requests fail without invoking the OOM killer when both
__GFP_NORETRY and __GFP_NOFAIL are given.

With [PATCH 1/2], __GFP_NOFAIL becomes stronger than __GFP_NORETRY;
__GFP_NOFAIL allocation requests will loop forever without invoking
the OOM killer when both __GFP_NORETRY and __GFP_NOFAIL are given.

Those callers which prefer lockup over panic can specify both
__GFP_NORETRY and __GFP_NOFAIL. You are trying to change behavior of
__GFP_NOFAIL without asking whether existing __GFP_NOFAIL users
want to invoke the OOM killer.

And the story is not specific to existing __GFP_NOFAIL users;
it applies to existing GFP_NOFS users as well.

Quoting from http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20161125131806.GB24353@dhcp22.suse.cz :
> > Will you look at http://marc.info/?t=120716967100004&r=1&w=2 which lead to
> > commit a02fe13297af26c1 ("selinux: prevent rentry into the FS") and commit
> > 869ab5147e1eead8 ("SELinux: more GFP_NOFS fixups to prevent selinux from
> > re-entering the fs code") ? My understanding is that mkdir() system call
> > caused memory allocation for inode creation and that memory allocation
> > caused memory reclaim which had to be !__GFP_FS.
> 
> I will have a look later, thanks for the points.

What is your answer to this problem? For those who prefer panic over lockup,
please provide a mean to invoke the OOM killer (e.g. __GFP_WANT_OOM_KILLER).

If you provide __GFP_WANT_OOM_KILLER, you can change

-#define GFP_KERNEL      (__GFP_RECLAIM | __GFP_IO | __GFP_FS)
+#define GFP_KERNEL      (__GFP_RECLAIM | __GFP_IO | __GFP_FS | __GFP_WANT_OOM_KILLER)

in gfp.h and add __GFP_WANT_OOM_KILLER to any existing __GFP_NOFAIL/GFP_NOFS
users who prefer panic over lockup. Then, I think I'm fine with

-	if (oc->gfp_mask && !(oc->gfp_mask & (__GFP_FS|__GFP_NOFAIL)))
-		return true;
+	if (oc->gfp_mask && !(oc->gfp_mask & __GFP_WANT_OOM_KILLER))
+		return false;

in out_of_memory().

As you know, quite few people are responding to discussions regarding
almost OOM situation. Changing default behavior without asking existing
users is annoying.

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[PATCH 0/2] GFP_NOFAIL cleanups Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-12-01 16:30 +0100
  [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL automatically Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-12-01 16:30 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL  automatically Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> - 2016-12-02 08:30 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL automatically Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp> - 2016-12-05 14:50 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL  automatically Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-12-05 15:20 +0100
        Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL  automatically Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-12-06 09:50 +0100
        Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL automatically Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp> - 2016-12-06 11:40 +0100
          Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL  automatically Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> - 2016-12-06 12:10 +0100
            Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL  automatically Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-12-06 20:30 +0100
          Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL  automatically Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-12-06 20:30 +0100
            Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL automatically Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp> - 2016-12-08 14:00 +0100
              Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL  automatically Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-12-08 14:50 +0100
  [PATCH 1/2] mm: consolidate GFP_NOFAIL checks in the allocator slowpath Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-12-01 16:30 +0100

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