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Re: [PATCHv12 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 02:48:46PM +0100, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-11-29 at 14:20 +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 02:59:58PM +0200, Heikki Krogerus wrote:
> > > Hi Guenter,
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:11:43PM -0800, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> > > > Personally I don't really care about a module parameter; as mentioned above,
> > > > I would expect the preference, if it needs to be selectable, to be configured
> > > > with devicetree or ACPI properties (or by a platform driver which sets a device
> > > > property).
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately we can not assume the firmware to be always correct.
> > > Companies love to recycle the firmware. We are going to see products
> > > from a company X that should prefer source role, a desktop for
> > > example, but still give the OS a device property that says otherwise.
> > > The reason for that is most likely because the previous product from
> > > that company was some kind of mobile device.
> > > 
> > > So IMHO we need some way for the OS to override this thing eventually.
> > > If not module parameters, then something else. The other option is
> > > board specific quirks, and I would really prefer to avoid those if we
> > > can.
> > 
> > Whatever it is, it is NOT going to be a module parameter, sorry, that
> > ship has long sailed and will not be coming back.  This isn't the 1990's
> > anymore...
> 
> Do you have a sensible alternative that works at boot time?

I'm for a device tree or acpi setting, as this really is a platform
thing, it is the only place that should "know" this type of problem, so
that is where it can be 'specified'.

Yes, firmware is "hard", but it gets really really tiring constantly
having to paper over firmware and hardware bugs in the kernel just
because we seem to be the ones that are willing to actually fix problems
that others cause.

thanks,

greg k-h

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Re: [PATCHv12 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com> - 2016-11-28 11:30 +0100
  Re: [PATCHv12 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class Heikki Krogerus <heikki.krogerus@linux.intel.com> - 2016-11-28 15:30 +0100
    Re: [PATCHv12 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net> - 2016-11-28 21:20 +0100
      Re: [PATCHv12 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com> - 2016-11-29 09:00 +0100
      Re: [PATCHv12 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class Heikki Krogerus <heikki.krogerus@linux.intel.com> - 2016-11-29 14:10 +0100
        Re: [PATCHv12 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2016-11-29 14:30 +0100
          Re: [PATCHv12 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com> - 2016-11-29 15:00 +0100
            Re: [PATCHv12 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2016-11-29 15:10 +0100

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