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Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature

From Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature
Date 2016-11-08 20:40 +0100
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On 11/08/2016 07:05 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> > 
>> > I know what we want to do, but there's some momentous problems that
>> > need to be solved first.
> Like what?

The problem is that using RT_RUNTIME_SHARE a CPU will almost always
borrow enough runtime to make a CPU intensive rt task to run forever...
well not forever, but until the system crash because a kworker starved
in this CPU. Kworkers are sched fair by design and users do not always
have a way to avoid them in an isolated CPU, for example.

The user then can disable RT_RUNTIME_SHARE, but then the user will have
the CPU going idle for (period - runtime) at each period... throwing CPU
time in the trash.

>> > Until then, we may be forced to continue with
>> > hacks.
> Well, the more ill specified hacks we put in, the harder if will be to
> replace because people will end up depending on it.

The proposed patch seems to be the expected behavior for users/rt
throttling - they want a safeguard for fair tasks while allowing -rt
tasks to run as much as possible.

I see (and completely agree) that a DL server for fair/rt task would be
the best way to deal with this problem, but it will take some time until
such solution :-(. We even discussed this at Retis today, but yeah, it
will take sometime even in the best case.

(thinking aloud... a DL Server would react like the proposed patch, in
the sense that it would not be activated without tasks to run and would
return the CPU for other tasks if the tasks inside the server finish
their job before the end of the DL server runtime...)

-- Daniel

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[PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> - 2016-11-07 09:20 +0100
  Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Tommaso Cucinotta <tommaso.cucinotta@sssup.it> - 2016-11-07 11:40 +0100
    Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> - 2016-11-07 15:00 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Tommaso Cucinotta <tommaso.cucinotta@sssup.it> - 2016-11-07 19:10 +0100
        Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@unitn.it> - 2016-11-07 19:30 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature luca abeni <lucabe72@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 09:00 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com> - 2016-11-08 11:40 +0100
  Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2016-11-07 18:00 +0100
    Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2016-11-07 19:40 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <daniel@bristot.me> - 2016-11-07 19:50 +0100
        Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2016-11-07 20:20 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2016-11-07 20:40 +0100
        Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2016-11-07 21:00 +0100
          Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2016-11-07 21:10 +0100
            Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <daniel@bristot.me> - 2016-11-07 21:10 +0100
              Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2016-11-07 21:20 +0100
                Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <daniel@bristot.me> - 2016-11-07 21:40 +0100
                Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2016-11-07 21:50 +0100
                [PATCH] sched/rt: Change default setup for RT THROTTLING Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <daniel@bristot.me> - 2016-11-08 10:30 +0100
                Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2016-11-09 00:50 +0100
        Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2016-11-07 21:10 +0100
  Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com> - 2016-11-07 19:30 +0100
    Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2016-11-07 19:40 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <daniel@bristot.me> - 2016-11-07 19:50 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com> - 2016-11-07 20:00 +0100
  Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-11-08 13:30 +0100
    Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2016-11-08 15:10 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-11-08 18:00 +0100
        Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2016-11-08 18:20 +0100
          Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-11-08 19:10 +0100
            Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> - 2016-11-08 20:40 +0100
              Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-11-08 21:00 +0100
                Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> - 2016-11-09 14:40 +0100
                Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2016-11-11 19:50 +0100

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