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Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus

From "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus
Date 2016-08-23 09:30 +0200
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Hi,

> Am 23.08.2016 um 00:42 schrieb Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org>:
> 
>> I am not a specialist for such things, but  I think you have three
>> options to connect bluetooth:
>> 
>> a) SoC-UART <-> BT-Chip-UART-port
>> b) USB-UART (FT232, PL2303 etc.) <-> BT-Chip-UART-port
>> c) USB <-> BT-Chip-USB-port (not UART involved at all)
>> 
>> Case c) IMHO means you anyways need a special USB driver for the BT-Chip connected
>> through USB and plugging it into a non-embedded USB port does not automatically
>> show it as a tty interface. So you can't use it for testing the UART drivers.
>> 
>> BTW: the Wi2Wi W2CBW003 chip comes in two firmware variants: one for UART and
>> one for USB. So they are also not exchangeable.
> 
> Yes, let's ignore option c).

> I'm talking about UART only. If the
> chip has native USB support, then that's a different driver.

Exactly.

> 
>> Variant b) is IMHO of no practical relevance (but I may be wrong)
>> because it would mean to add some costly FT232 or PL2302 chip
>> where a different firmware variant works with direct USB
>> connection.
> 
> Well for some chips there is not native USB support. But my scenario
> was about development. Let's say I have a serial-chip and I want to
> develop a driver for it. It would be nice if I can develop the
> driver with a USB-UART

Yes it would be nice, but is this a thing with significant practical relevance?

Usually you have to write drivers for a complete device where the slave
chip is already wired up to a SoC-UART.

Sometimes you can get a bare chip where you can connect to an
USB-UART. But someone has to design that piece of special hardware
for you. If you are really lucky there is an evaluation board.

And in that case I would use a RasPi or BeagleBone and tie up directly
to some SoC-UART instead of using an intermediate USB-UART adapter.
Because it is more close to timing relations to the final SoC based design.

> and then use it on my embedded system.
> 
> There are usb-serial devices, which could benefit from support
> btw. I would find it really useful, if the Dangerous Prototype's
> Bus Pirate would expose native /dev/i2c and /dev/spi and it's
> based on FT232.

Oh, that is an interesting device I didn't know yet.

> 
>> So to me it looks as if you need to develop different low-level
>> drivers anyways.
> 
> No. You say, that option b) is irrelevant and assume, that every
> serial chip also has native USB support.

I just assume that b) is rarely used because there are alternatives.
Although it would be a nice option.

Anyways, while following the discussion this is not the most important
facet of the overall topic.

BR,
Nikolaus

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[RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2016-08-18 03:20 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2016-08-18 12:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-18 12:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2016-08-18 13:00 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2016-08-18 16:00 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2016-08-18 15:20 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2016-08-19 03:50 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-19 13:10 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-18 12:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-18 12:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2016-08-18 13:00 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-18 13:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-18 16:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-18 13:00 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-18 13:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2016-08-18 13:00 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-18 13:10 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2016-08-18 13:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-18 13:50 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-18 14:00 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-18 13:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-18 13:20 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-18 13:50 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-18 14:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-18 13:50 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-18 15:10 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-18 13:00 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-18 13:10 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-18 13:50 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-18 14:10 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-18 13:10 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org> - 2016-08-18 15:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-19 03:50 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-18 16:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-19 03:10 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-19 03:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2016-08-19 04:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-19 13:40 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-19 17:40 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-19 03:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2016-08-19 03:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-19 07:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-19 09:40 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Oleksij Rempel <linux@rempel-privat.de> - 2016-08-19 10:00 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-19 20:00 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Oleksij Rempel <linux@rempel-privat.de> - 2016-08-19 22:30 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-20 15:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-21 10:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-22 22:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-22 23:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> - 2016-08-22 23:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-23 00:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-23 01:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-23 01:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-23 09:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-19 13:10 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-19 19:50 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-20 15:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-21 10:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-21 19:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> - 2016-08-21 20:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-22 11:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-22 11:40 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-19 13:10 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-19 16:50 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> - 2016-08-22 14:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2016-08-22 15:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> - 2016-08-22 17:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-22 17:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> - 2016-08-22 18:00 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2016-08-22 18:50 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-22 19:10 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-22 19:40 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-22 23:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-22 23:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-23 00:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-23 01:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-23 02:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-23 02:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-23 03:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-24 16:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-24 16:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-23 13:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-23 01:10 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2016-08-22 19:40 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-22 22:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2016-08-23 00:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-23 00:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-22 19:20 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-22 23:10 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-23 00:10 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-23 01:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org> - 2016-08-23 01:50 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-23 00:20 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org> - 2016-08-24 14:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2016-08-23 23:20 +0200

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