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Re: [PATCH 05/19] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig

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On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 06:17:03PM +0300, Yury Norov wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 03:36:12PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:29:03PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2016 5:30:03 PM CEST Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > > > > > and you can have ARM binaries with
> > > > > > > PER_LINUX (using the arm64 uname) just like you can have
> > > > > > > arm64 binaries running with PER_LINUX32.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I was actually looking to enforce the 32-bit binaries to only see
> > > > > > PER_LINUX32, though with a risk of breaking the ABI. OTOH, people are
> > > > > > abusing this and write 32-bit apps relying on the 64-bit /proc/cpuinfo:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://lkml.kernel.org/g/1464706504-25224-3-git-send-email-catalin.marinas@arm.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (you were summoned on that discussion couple of times ;))
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hmm, I thought I saw the thread and didn't have any good idea for
> > > > > the uname information, but didn't notice it was for /proc/cpuinfo.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What's wrong with always showing both the 32-bit and the 64-bit
> > > > > hwcap strings here (minus the duplicates, which hopefully have
> > > > > the same meaning here)?
> > > > 
> > > > As I said above, some of them have the same name (which may be a good
> > > > thing at a first look) but we don't have an architecture guarantee that
> > > > the feature is present in both AArch32 and AArch64 modes (e.g. AES may
> > > > only be available in AArch64).
> > > 
> > > Is this the case on actual implementations that exist today? If they
> > > are actually always both present, we might be able to get away with it.
> > 
> > It may be fine on current implementations but what would we do when/if
> > we actually find such discrepancy? It's not just ARM Ltd designing the
> > chips, so as long as the architecture doesn't mandate it you may find
> > strange implementations.
> > 
> > Imposing such restriction in the architecture doesn't make sense if the
> > only reason is the /proc/cpuinfo file (and I can't think of any other
> > reason why this should be enforced).
> > 
> > What I'm worried about is 32-bit apps running on an arm64 kernel and
> > making use of the 64-bit /proc/cpuinfo without any guarantee that the
> > AArch32 state has such features. In my patch proposal linked above I
> > wanted to always force the compat /proc/cpuinfo for 32-bit tasks.
> 
> The link doesn't work for me. Is there other link, or what's the
> maillist there?

With lkml.kernel.org, just change the 'g' with an 'r':

http://lkml.kernel.org/r/1464706504-25224-3-git-send-email-catalin.marinas@arm.com

It was on linux-arm-kernel.

> So, what we decided finally? Is my understanding correct that we leave
> everything as is in ilp32 series, and it will be resolved separately?

ILP32 is not affected by this since the hwcap for ILP32 should match
native. It was more a question about whether AArch32 tasks should ever
have access to AArch64 hwcaps (and potential misuse).

-- 
Catalin

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Re: [PATCH 05/19] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig "Zhangjian (Bamvor)" <bamvor.zhangjian@huawei.com> - 2016-08-11 09:40 +0200
  Re: [PATCH 05/19] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> - 2016-08-11 11:00 +0200
    Re: [PATCH 05/19] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> - 2016-08-11 17:00 +0200
      Re: [PATCH 05/19] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> - 2016-08-11 17:20 +0200
        Re: [PATCH 05/19] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> - 2016-08-11 18:40 +0200
          Re: [PATCH 05/19] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> - 2016-08-11 22:40 +0200
            Re: [PATCH 05/19] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> - 2016-08-12 16:40 +0200
              Re: [PATCH 05/19] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> - 2016-08-15 11:40 +0200

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