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Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering w/ device tree

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Hi,

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux
<linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> My reply would be... why should MMC have special handling that no
> other subsystem has?

No other subsystem?

* i2c allows numbering devices by alias
* rtc allows numbering devices by alias.
* serial allows numbering devices by alias.
* spi allows numbering devices by alias.
* watchdog allows numbering devices by alias.

...at least that's my impression doing a grep for of_alias_get_id(),
which I suggested earlier in this thread but apparently wasn't done.


> Here's another example.  Plug in several USB serial adapters.  Which
> USB serial /dev/ttyUSB* device corresponds to which adapter?  The
> answer is... it depends on the order you plug them in, which could
> well be different from the order in which they are found if the
> machine reboots.  That's a very real problem.

USB is, by definition, hotplug and probable and there is no ordering.
For peripherals built-in to a SoC there is a sane ordering.  Thus
hotplug peripherals and builtin peripherals shouldn't have the same
requirements.

Quite honestly, it _would_ be quite convenient that if you are on a
SoC and you know it has builtin USB controllers to have the root hubs
numbered in a sane and consistent manner.  An area for a future patch,
maybe.


> However, the answer to this problem is not to find some way to bind
> a particular /dev/ttyUSB* node to a particular USB device, but to
> use the solution(s) already provided - iow, /dev/serial/by-id or
> /dev/serial/by-path trees which give a stable view of these devices.
>
> Now, while that allows the appropriate /dev/ttyUSB* device to be
> found, it doesn't solve the "which ttyUSB* entry in the kernel
> message log corresponds with which adapter" (which is the basis
> of your point #1.)  That's not solved, and isn't purposely isn't
> solved for any kernel subsystem.
>
> Another example - I have boards here with multiple RTCs... guess
> what happens with those?  Yep, same problem.  They get dynamic
> /dev/rtc* assignment.

Are you quite certain about that?  See above.


> Another example - I have a board with three ethernet devices...
> yep, same problem again, the order depends on the driver probe
> order, and they get dynamically assigned eth* names.

Ethernet is often provided by USB and thus hotplug and probable.
Quite honestly if there was a builtin Ethernet adapter provided on a
SoC (not connected over USB), it would be super handy if it was forced
to be "eth0" (and if there were more than one if they could be ordered
in a way that made sense for that SoC).  Dynamic ordering could come
after.


> The list of subsystems that have this property is large, because
> it's all dependent on the device/driver probing order.

Sure.  For hotplug, there is no sane device ordering.

For things built in to an SoC, there is sane device ordering.  Dynamic
ordering should come after static.


> So, please answer this question: why should _only_ MMC be treated
> as a special case?  Please give a _technical_ reason rather than a
> _personal_ reason.

Because technically it makes it easier for people to understand their
system to have a sane ordering for builtin peripherals.


-Doug

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[PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering w/ device tree Douglas Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-29 19:40 +0200
  [PATCH v2 1/4] Documentation: mmc: Document mmc aliases Douglas Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-29 19:40 +0200
  [PATCH v2 2/4] mmc: read mmc alias from device tree Douglas Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-29 19:40 +0200
  [PATCH v2 4/4] ARM: dts: rockchip: Add mmc aliases for rk3288 platform Douglas Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-29 19:40 +0200
  Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org> - 2016-04-29 20:20 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-29 21:40 +0200
      Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk  numbering w/ device tree Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-29 22:00 +0200
        Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-29 22:10 +0200
  Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk  numbering w/ device tree Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-29 20:20 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-29 21:50 +0200
      Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk  numbering w/ device tree Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-29 22:00 +0200
        Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-29 22:10 +0200
          Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-29 23:20 +0200
            Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-29 23:40 +0200
              Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk  numbering w/ device tree Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-30 00:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-30 00:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk  numbering w/ device tree Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-30 00:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-30 00:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk  numbering w/ device tree Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-30 00:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org> - 2016-04-30 01:10 +0200
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                Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk  numbering w/ device tree Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-30 10:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org> - 2016-04-30 15:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Javier Martinez Canillas <javier@dowhile0.org> - 2016-04-30 00:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk  numbering w/ device tree Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-30 12:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering  w/ device tree Trent Piepho <tpiepho@kymetacorp.com> - 2016-05-03 21:30 +0200
            Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk  numbering w/ device tree Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-29 23:40 +0200
          Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk  numbering w/ device tree Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-29 23:20 +0200
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